[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Expect Alan Duke to report about it as sweeping victory for Robson.
Or alternatively, he will report that the Court conspired with the Estate to "silence the victim" about anal rape claims.

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

'Jackson died in 2009 and Robson now wants a slice of the entertainer's estate that's estimated to be worth around $US1.5 billion ($A1.6 billion).'

That sums it up in a nutshell. Nothing else needs to be said. Wade's home country seems to have the measure of him.

 

[metermaid]

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I don't understand who they were supposed to answer those questions anyway, it doesn't make sense whatsoever, they're not even alleged eye witnesses, so they just wanted them to deny it? for the sake of what? denying?

i was wondering this too? how can they answer these questions? is this some "lawyering" tactic i dont understand?

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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^Exactly. And Sorry I meant 'what' now 'who'.

 

[passy001]

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'Jackson died in 2009 and Robson now wants a slice of the entertainer's estate that's estimated to be worth around $US1.5 billion ($A1.6 billion).'

That sums it up in a nutshell. Nothing else needs to be said. Wade's home country seems to have the measure of him.

Of course, everyone knows that this case is a sham to steal from a dead man. No different from the so-called Billie Jeans claiming to be the kids mothers.

 

[HIStory]

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Of course, everyone knows that this case is a sham to steal from a dead man. No different from the so-called Billie Jeans claiming to be the kids mothers.

It's a lot worse than the Billie Jeans. The Billie Jeans are trying to steal from Michael's orphaned children as well, but at least not by accusing their father of the most henious crime like Robson and Safechuck do. That's not right either, but where Robson and Safechuck have sunk is an extremely low place morally. I feel sorry for their children. I guess they hope their kids will never see the real them because those men are not fathers to be proud of.

 

[passy001]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's a lot worse than the Billie Jeans. The Billie Jeans are trying to steal from Michael's orphaned children as well, but at least not by accusing their father of the most henious crime like Robson and Safechuck do. That's not right either, but where Robson and Safechuck have sunk is an extremely low place morally. I feel sorry for their children. I guess they hope their kids will never see the real them because those men are not fathers to be proud of.

I agree. but the point was that it's all about stealing regardless of the methods used.

Some methods will be creative, others just plain dreadful like the Robson case. Still, the bottom line is about stealing what is not rightfully theirs.

 

[barbee0715]

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I have to say that I absolutely love the way the Australian papers have reported this from Day One. It's like they can see right thru Wade.

I wish the US and UK would follow suit.

 

[GreenEyes]

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I have to say that I absolutely love the way the Australian papers have reported this from Day One. It's like they can see right thru Wade.

I wish the US and UK would follow suit.

Roger Friedman did previously state in one of his articles that Wade's case is nothing more than a money grab.

 

[MJresearcher]

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I saw the SBS article this morning and was pretty happy with the way it was written. I just wish they'd put in the article that Wade had said that only him and MJ knew about the supposed abuse, without that detail we'll have people looking at it the same way they look at the catholic church, they'll think the estate is hiding information and feel sorry for Wade. That's the part of poor emotional human reasoning that I hate.

Slightly off topic, I watched the documentary "Witch Hunt" yesterday. I looked up some of the people involved in that case and then started looking around the National Registry of Exonerations. While reading through some court information I came across a cited source; a scientific analysis of children's testimony. Here's a link to the book:

http://www.apa.org/pubs/books/4318351.aspx

I also found a PDF titled "Ceci Shapes Judicial Policy on Testimony of Children" which has some things that are relevant to the allegations against MJ due to the techniques of questioning.


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http://www.human.cornell.edu/hd/circ/publications/upload/Ceci-Shapes-Judicial-Policy-on-Testimony-of-Children.pdf

 

[#MJforever57]

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It good that the Estate doesn't have to answers those questions i could never understand why their had to their were not there. I like title too setback hope we can see more setback in this case.

So now Dec 16th what will happen?

 

[#MJforever57]

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I have to say that I absolutely love the way the Australian papers have reported this from Day One. It's like they can see right thru Wade.

I wish the US and UK would follow suit.

That would be nice to see but US still believe Michael is guilty and it is sad to see.

 

[#MJforever57]

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It's a lot worse than the Billie Jeans. The Billie Jeans are trying to steal from Michael's orphaned children as well, but at least not by accusing their father of the most henious crime like Robson and Safechuck do. That's not right either, but where Robson and Safechuck have sunk is an extremely low place morally. I feel sorry for their children. I guess they hope their kids will never see the real them because those men are not fathers to be proud of.

You are right these are not proud fathers

 

[ivy]

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I don't understand who they were supposed to answer those questions anyway, it doesn't make sense whatsoever, they're not even alleged eye witnesses, so they just wanted them to deny it? for the sake of what? denying?

i was wondering this too? how can they answer these questions? is this some "lawyering" tactic i dont understand?

That's the part no one understand. I guess you need to be a lawyer to understand what kind of a strategy is behind asking the defendant to deny every single specific allegation and make them explain why. For regular people like us it just doesn't make sense.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ok, thanks. I could understand if it was the person who's actually being accused but how the Estate people gonna help? It's just odd.

 

[AngelMJ136]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade Robson suffers LA court setback

Michael Jackson's lawyers have scored a victory in their legal battle with Australia's Wade Robson.

Australian choreographer Wade Robson has lost his bid to grill representatives of Michael Jackson's estate about graphic sexual acts he alleged the late King of Pop performed on him as a child.

At the end of the hearing, Marzano agreed to withdraw 11 of the questions, but Robson's lawyers will be allowed to probe Jackson executives about other matters.

Jackson died in 2009 and Robson now wants a slice of the entertainer's estate that's estimated to be worth around $US1.5 billion ($A1.6 billion).

The matter was adjourned to December 16.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/11/07/aust-wade-robson-suffers-la-court-setback

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So specific sexual abuse questions are withdrawn, Estate's general denial of any sexual abuse allegations will be enough. It seems other RFAs are allowed. Next hearing December 16th.

The moment I read the headline I thought the case got thrown out of the court for good, lol. Now, with questions related to sexual acts getting withdrawn atleast we won't have a media circus with graphic headlines which I am sure Wade's teams were actually aiming for. All we have left is questions related to other matters. This case is now completely one-sided. The focus is on Wade's desperate attempt to sue a billion dollar estate. Wade has already lost the case, in a way.

 

[Bubs]

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Good, a little bit of good news.

"I think the types of questions we are asking are appropriate," Robson's lawyer Maryann Marzano told Los Angeles Superior Court judge Mitchell Beckloff during Thursday's hearing."

She cannot be serious or she is as sick off her head as much as Wade. That kind of questions are not appropriate, especially from persons who weren't there. She sounds like pervert:bugeyed

These docs were filed for yesterdays hearing
11/06/2014 Stipulation - Probate (PROTECTIVE ORDER )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

11/06/2014 Declaration (OF URGENCY ) I wonder what this is about?
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

11/06/2014 Ex-Parte Application (FOR ORDER PURS TO STIPULATED PROTE CTIVE ORDER RE DISCOVERY PROCEDURE IN CONNECTION WITH 850 PETN RE MICHAEL JACKSON COMPANY )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The whole thing sounds like fishing to me. At the moment it's all about the statutes of limitations, let's not forget. So there is no reason to go into graphic details of Wade's allegations, that does not affect whether they are within or out of statutes. IMO dragging the previous allegations into it does not affect it either and even the Judge said on October 1 that he could not see how bringing allegations made by other children would help them in their argument re statutes, but he gave them the chance of discovery on that nevertheless. Maybe it's tactics to try to win time or something.

 

[HIStory]

These docs were filed for yesterdays hearing
11/06/2014 Stipulation - Probate (PROTECTIVE ORDER )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

11/06/2014 Declaration (OF URGENCY ) I wonder what this is about?
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

11/06/2014 Ex-Parte Application (FOR ORDER PURS TO STIPULATED PROTE CTIVE ORDER RE DISCOVERY PROCEDURE IN CONNECTION WITH 850 PETN RE MICHAEL JACKSON COMPANY )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

Is this about the Robson case at all? Robson is called "Claimant", not "Petitioner" in these court docs. Also the MJ Company is no party to the Robson case (MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures are). I looked up what 850 petitioner means. Here is what I found about 850 Petition:

Probate Code Section 850 allows a procedure for litigants to seek the transfer of property into or out of a trust or estate. It is an often-used vehicle in Trust and Estate litigation, but not often understood.
In its simplest form, a typical “850 Petition” is used to transfer real property into a revocable trust after the death of the trust creator (called the “Settlor&#8221 where title to such property was not properly titled in the name of the trust before death. All too often, people create trusts without understanding that a trust only controls assets that are transferred into it. Thus, after death, the trust may be created, but it may not control all of the decedent’s assets. To cure this defect, the successor trustee of the trust can file an 850 Petition requesting that the decedent’s property be transferred to the trust and be held as a trust asset.

http://www.californiatrustestateand...the-magic-number-in-probate-court-litigation/

Seems to be a different matter to me.

 

[Bubs]

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Is this about the Robson case at all? Robson is called "Claimant", not "Petitioner" in these court docs. Also the MJ Company is no party to the Robson case (MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures are). I looked up what 850 petitioner means. Here is what I found about 850 Petition:

I got it from LA Superior court - Probate - Case Summary
http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/casesummary.aspx?
Those above, were from Documents filed, and see the date, which was yesterday. Yesterdays hearing was all about Robson case.

Petitioner
One who presents a formal, written application to a court, officer, or legislative body that requests action on a certain matter. In legal proceedings initiated by a petition, the respondent is the person against whom relief is sought, or who opposes the petition. One who appeals from a judgment is a petitioner.

They always write details shortly , so I think they meant those two companies (MJ Ventures & MJ Prod) when they write MJ Companies.

First and third ones looks like they are estate's petition, but I'm not sure about middle one. The estate was looking for protective order for certain things.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The whole thing sounds like fishing to me. At the moment it's all about the statutes of limitations, let's not forget. So there is no reason to go into graphic details of Wade's allegations, that does not affect whether they are within or out of statutes. IMO dragging the previous allegations into it does not affect it either and even the Judge said on October 1 that he could not see how bringing allegations made by other children would help them in their argument re statutes, but he gave them the chance of discovery on that nevertheless. Maybe it's tactics to try to win time or something.

I too think they are playing some sort of delaying tactic with these silly questions.
It is so stupid that it cannot be anything else that delay, and get more tabloids time, maybe the estate offers settlement? Maybe they know that they don't have a case and they dragging their feet before giving up? Who knows.

They should be concentrating to prove why they should be allowed to file late claim, not asking people silly questions. Imo, judge should take care of this in orderly manner, prove or show the clause why you case should go forward, then start asking silly questions if you get green light.

 

[HIStory]

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I got it from LA Superior court - Probate - Case Summary
http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/casesummary.aspx?
Those above, were from Documents filed, and see the date, which was yesterday. Yesterdays hearing was all about Robson case.

That doesn't mean only papers regarding Robson's case can be filed on a given day.

Petitioner
One who presents a formal, written application to a court, officer, or legislative body that requests action on a certain matter. In legal proceedings initiated by a petition, the respondent is the person against whom relief is sought, or who opposes the petition. One who appeals from a judgment is a petitioner.

I know that, but in Robson's case he is always referred to as "Claimant" in these court papers, not as "Petitioner". There seems to be a difference between the two.

They always write details shortly , so I think they meant those two companies (MJ Ventures & MJ Prod) when they write MJ Companies.

It's "Michael Jackson Company" (singular). I think that's the name of an actual company MJ had.

First and third ones looks like they are estate's petition, but I'm not sure about middle one.

All seem to be filed by the same party: "Filed by Attorney for Petitioner".

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Could it be his lawyers wanted the Estate's representatives to deny Michael ever did anything and then discredit them because they "don't really know"? Sounds desperate (like the whole case) but is it even legit?

I curious to see who's the Estate is going to call for the stand. Like are they just going to make the court see how unreliable WR is or will they also bring character witnesses that will speak for MJ...

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Could it be his lawyers wanted the Estate's representatives to deny Michael ever did anything and then discredit them because they "don't really know"? Sounds desperate (like the whole case) but is it even legit?

I've been thinking about it too whether it's to trick the Estate into something. Like: Estate says they are not in the position to say anything about what supposedly happened between MJ and Robson behind closed doors. But if they deny the abuse and these acts then Robson can say: "if you deny then you take the position of claiming to know what happened behind closed doors". I can't see where such an argument could lead them though (and I doubt the Judge would like that kind of argument - it's a very unfair). The Companies and Estate's position is obviously that they deny it based on what MJ said and and based on what Wade also said until his recent turnaround and based on lack of evidence otherwise etc. They do not claim to deny it because of being with MJ and Robson in the room. The bottom line is here that Robson needs to prove that MJ's companies knew or had reasons to know that Robson was supposedly being abused behind closed doors. None of these desperate arguments would prove any such thing. Robson claims he never told anyone until 2012 and only MJ and he knew about it. That's his own claim. So how were these companies and certain people supposed to know? Doesn't make sense.

 

[8701girl]

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I bet this didn't go well with wade lol

 

[wendijane]

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Good news.

 

[ivy]

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These docs were filed for yesterdays hearing
11/06/2014 Stipulation - Probate (PROTECTIVE ORDER )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

11/06/2014 Declaration (OF URGENCY ) I wonder what this is about?
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

11/06/2014 Ex-Parte Application (FOR ORDER PURS TO STIPULATED PROTE CTIVE ORDER RE DISCOVERY PROCEDURE IN CONNECTION WITH 850 PETN RE MICHAEL JACKSON COMPANY )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

850 petition re michael jackson company is the claims about MJ Company by BRODERICK MORRIS;QUADREE EL-AMIN;RAYMONE BAIN;ADEAN KING. They claim they own a share of MJ Co and Estate argues just MJ owned it. There are hearings coming up in December about this subject.

It looks like one party filed an exparte request and urgency - claiming it's an urgent situation to be heard as soon as possible. and it could have been heard and decided yesterday as the court already had a hearing concerning MJ Estate. But I don't think those have anything to do with Wade.

Remember right now there are several active claims :
- 850 claim concerning MJ Co
- Tohme lawsuit
- Robson
- Safechuck
- regular Estate matters such as accounting
- regular guardianship matters

all of which are filed under probate case number.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

850 petition re michael jackson company is the claims about MJ Company by BRODERICK MORRIS;QUADREE EL-AMIN;RAYMONE BAIN;ADEAN KING. They claim they own a share of MJ Co and Estate argues just MJ owned it. There are hearings coming up in December about this subject.

It looks like one party filed an exparte request and urgency - claiming it's an urgent situation to be heard as soon as possible. and it could have been heard and decided yesterday as the court already had a hearing concerning MJ Estate. But I don't think those have anything to do with Wade.

Remember right now there are several active claims :
- 850 claim concerning MJ Co
- Tohme lawsuit
- Robson
- Safechuck
- regular Estate matters such as accounting
- regular guardianship matters

all of which are filed under probate case number.

Thanks Ivy.
Ooh, I forgot these gyus: BRODERICK MORRIS;QUADREE EL-AMIN;RAYMONE BAIN;ADEAN KING

Wasn't Raymone case sorted out a while ago?

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks Ivy.
Ooh, I forgot these gyus: BRODERICK MORRIS;QUADREE EL-AMIN;RAYMONE BAIN;ADEAN KING

Wasn't Raymone case sorted out a while ago?

Her $40 Million lawsuit claim has been sorted and she lost it.

You might know MJ Company was a company established by Raymone to replace MJJ productions. Now these people are claiming they have ownership stake in MJ Company while Estate argues MJ was the sole owner. That's the dispute being heard in probate court. I believe TII was done under MJ Company. If they get successful it might mean they will be entitled to portion of revenues.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ivy, do we get any court documents from yesterdays hearing?
That article posted earlier showed only this bit of info"
"At the end of the hearing, Marzano agreed to withdraw 11 of the questions, but Robson's lawyers will be allowed to probe Jackson executives about other matters."

Certainly more issues were discussed and argued?