[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

so what did the judge leave sealed ? is there more stories? is he testing the public reaction ? I don't trust him

I think the specifics of the sexual acts are only things sealed - which can become public later as we saw from Wade instance.
 
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So it's true that he has kids?


I don't know if Brett has kids but to answer to your question why it didn't effect him is because i was saying it never happen to him.
 
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Karma. They'll get what's coming to them. Wade and the rest of these money hungry and fame hungry has beens and never was bastards are total scum to do this to Michael. I just hope the estate doesn't settle. These opportunists don't deserve one red cent. I hope that once again just as in 2005, justice prevails here again.
 
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Brett Barnes was angry when the story about Wade's claims and lawsuit came out, thankfully Brett is a good guy and tells the truth:

 
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Yeah, people and media are fed up with these delusional guys coming out of wood work claiming stuff.
I was surprised by this article as usually media people calls Michael creepy or bizarre, but this occasion those words were for James S:

I agree. I think that the public and media are getting sick and tired of all this. They all realize that Michael is long gone, the trial in 2005 was basically one big farce because the Arvizo's were scammers, and Michael left behind three children that are old enough to know now what's going on and they will be the one's being ultimately hurt now. They don't want to hurt his children (except the small bunch of crazy stalkers.)

There is no point in relentlessly pursuing this now, and turning it into some crazy witch hunt. The allegations are from SO MANY years ago and people are mostly like whatever. Let him RIP. Just enjoy his music and let it be.
 
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^ I really think they went too far. They would have been smarter to claim "just" some mutual masturbation here and there to make it more believable for the public. I think they thought these over the top claims would have the shock and disgust value to generate the headlines that would put pressure on the Estate to settle, plus the more outrageous the claims are the more money they can demand, but it backfired, because this sounds so ridiculous that it generates rather suspicion about them, even in those who are not fans.

Yep, so true. This has now entered into the same league as Joseph Bartucci, and we all know how bizarre that guy is.:wtf:
 
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Memories get fuzzier not better as time goes by. CLASSIC mistake of every liar: too much detail...."He masturbated while touching me" is what most would say, as opposed to "He masturbated with lotion whilst he was touching me from behind"..Giving too much detail when recalling events that happened many years prior usually indicates that the person is being deceptive. Same thing with Safechuck..Most would say "We drank wine" as opposed to "we drank sweet pink wine" or most would say "We had a fake wedding with a ring" as opposed to "we had a fake wedding with a ring and a marriage certificate"..At the age of 10, you wouldn't know much about a marriage certificate or what it is or the significance of it.
 
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^I have a feeling the Estate made the Neverland announcement last week on purpose. They knew these documents were about to come out and figured it'd be a good PR strategy to try to divert attention to the NL sale. Actually pretty smart if you ask me.

Now that you mention it, this is a very good point and I agree with you. Sure, it is possible it could just be coincidence, but personally I don't think so. It is a pretty genius PR move to do something like this.


I feel terrible for Michael's children. School is getting ready to start and people will throw hate their way.:(

I hope this doesn't happen. I do worry about that, but have hope and faith that perhaps they now have friends they can turn to who will support them through this.


I have so many questions about that alleged wedding?
His parents never noticed the ring?
Why didn't MJ marry any other children?
But having a mock wedding with the guy would not be still something you would mention to prosecutors when they interview you? Regradless of whether you think that was wrong or not? And when James was 27 years old during the trial in 2005 he still was not aware that having a mock wedding between him and Michael would be a bit iffy considering the nature of allegations against him?

It wasn't a mock wedding. It was a real wedding with a ring and a certificate and everything. Probably cake and confetti too. Bit odd it seems to have slipped jimmy's mind for 20odd years as you'd think a day like that would make a bit of an impression - maybe he was unable and unwilling to acknowledge it. I'm sure he'll be able to dig out the photo album and show the photos of the happy couple to the judge.

Why didn't MJ marry any other children?
I'm sure that will add another $1bn to wade's claim - why didn't i get a ring?
Why was Chuck all so special?
See I was more like..... who gave him away, Bubbles or Muscles? Who carried out the ceremony? Who were the witnesses? Who was the best man? Why wasn't it in OK magazine? Did Wade stand up and shout 'it shoulda been me' (I'll shut up before I go too far). Lol
^^Funny!! I was wondering what chuck wore, if it was a dress with a pretty bow, or silver shoes. He did marry around age 7? Did they go to Chucky cheese for the honeymoon.
Did they divorce by the time this pic was made or are we witnessing bigamy in this picture? And how did James take it when he was relegated from husband to an umbrella holder?
Did James already say anywhere what he is looking to get out, or is he going to for whole nine yards thingy and claiming to be Michael's widow and rightful beneficiary of his estate :cheeky:

Oh lord... :lmao:... every single one of these... :hysterical:
I should not be encouraging this kind of behavior, but you know what- these ignorant twits are just bringing it on themselves. Seriously.


I really think they went too far. They would have been smarter to claim "just" some mutual masturbation here and there to make it more believable for the public. I think they thought these over the top claims would have the shock and disgust value to generate the headlines that would put pressure on the Estate to settle, plus the more outrageous the claims are the more money they can demand, but it backfired, because this sounds so ridiculous that it generates rather suspicion about them, even in those who are not fans.

You got it. They are only shooting themselves in the foot now because these claims are so outrageous and so ludicrous... I am having one of those "I can't" moments.

As for the whole "$1.62 billion" that Wade is supposedly requesting- if he really is at all, I haven't been able to find anything official (ie, his lawyer/representative or any court docs) claiming this- but if in the off-chance it is true, he needs to put down the pipe because those are some pretty nasty drugs he's smoking. He's delusional to think he'd ever have a chance at getting that much money. That goes for Safechuck too... both of them are just out of their f***ing minds.

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I had this thought as I was walking to work this morning- I wonder how much of the general public really, truly even cares about these claims anymore? I know there are two groups of people who are very passionate about them- the haters because it gives them fuel for fire, and people like us... Michael's fans... because it gives us something to fight for- Michael. We're fighting for him and his legacy. But what about everyone else in-between? The general populous? What are their thoughts on these claims? I'd be interested in finding out. And not just the most recent ones, but just... in general. How much do people really care any more?
 
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Memories get fuzzier not better as time goes by. CLASSIC mistake of every liar: too much detail

Or a sign of a fake or even planted memory.

I'll tell you a personal story:

when I was a little kid playing outside, a guy approached to me saying he got birds at his home and he could give me one if I go with him. I ran to my father saying what he said asking his permission for a pet. My father got angry, cops were called, he was arrested and I overheard the conversations and even interviewed but as a little kid I didn't understand the fuss and I didn't even think about it at all.

Then several years later when I was teenager I started having these very vivid dreams that I saw myself going with him. I could have told you every street, how to get to the house, how the house looked, birds in cages etc. It all seemed very real. I mentioned my mother my dreams and she told me it didn't happen it was just my imagination. I even tried to trace my steps in my dreams but the streets, houses weren't there. So it wasn't real. My doctor gave a very simple explanation about what was happening : I had grown to an age to understand what the event was about and what it could have been and I was scared and my mind was creating a false "what if" worst case scenario. Basically I was having a realization and freaking about what could have happened - but didn't really happen.

Anyway assuming Wade's stories about a nervous breakdown is true, he could have been trying to find a reason for his breakdown and either the therapist suggestion or his mind could have created an elaborate fake molestation scenario. I'm reminded about all the repressed memory hoopla where a lot of women were suddenly claiming to be abused by their fathers or a male relative. Most of the time they had some problems and wanting to find a reason and creating fake memories by questionable therapists about abuse. When they created that fake memory they were relieved as they found a "reason" for their issues( see a long 1992 paper about it : http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume4/j4_4_3.htm )

Anyway I'm not saying this is the case. he could be simply lying. But personally I get really suspicious when people say a mental specialist helped them uncover or realize abuse.
 
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I had this thought as I was walking to work this morning- I wonder how much of the general public really, truly even cares about these claims anymore? I know there are two groups of people who are very passionate about them- the haters because it gives them fuel for fire, and people like us... Michael's fans... because it gives us something to fight for- Michael. We're fighting for him and his legacy. But what about everyone else in-between? The general populous? What are their thoughts on these claims? I'd be interested in finding out. And not just the most recent ones, but just... in general. How much do people really care any more?

There have been several prosecutions of high profile public personalities following the 'Jimmy Savile' revelations in the UK eg Rolf Harris etc. Plus ongoing investigations into possible police/ political cover-ups. All of these refer to historic events going back to the 70s or before. I don't think the public concern about child abuse is always necessarily entirely MJ-focused (even in the US?), but there is a general concern that perpetrators 'got away with' abuse decades ago, and that their victims deserve a (criminal) hearing, where the perpetrators are still alive, and to be believed where the perpetrators are dead. It is thought that victims of Savile will claim compensation from his Estate.
 
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What pisses me off is when people say that MJ got special treatment because he was a celebrity. When in fact it was the complete opposite. He was treated worse by the media and general public because he was a celebrity

I agree. In fact, Michael was treated worse than other celebrity court defendants. Even R. Kelly was not treated that badly. Yes. R. Kelly gets trashed by some people. But he still has almost no problems compared to Michael.
 
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WR and Safechuck may be looking for easy money, but they certainly aren't making it easy on themselves. I wonder how they think this is all worth it?
 
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There have been several prosecutions of high profile public personalities following the 'Jimmy Savile' revelations in the UK eg Rolf Harris etc. Plus ongoing investigations into possible police/ political cover-ups. All of these refer to historic events going back to the 70s or before. I don't think the public concern about child abuse is always necessarily entirely MJ-focused (even in the US?), but there is a general concern that perpetrators 'got away with' abuse decades ago, and that their victims deserve a (criminal) hearing, where the perpetrators are still alive, and to be believed where the perpetrators are dead. It is thought that victims of Savile will claim compensation from his Estate.

As a MJ fan when the Saville revelations started and seeing how quickly Saville was automatically deemed guilty it scared me for Michael knowing what he had been accused of in the past and was also not here to defend himself. I do understand that in saville's case it was many people with similar stories, that's why he is guilty without a trial. But still I have to question how many people have just jumped on the bandwagon and will claim compensation. I mean really, is there anything he was not guilty of doing? I think here (UK) the general public are starting to get weary on the numerous celebrity sex abuse scandals. I know I am.

Ivy, thank you for sharing your story with us, it was very interesting indeed.
 
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As for the whole "$1.62 billion" that Wade is supposedly requesting- if he really is at all, I haven't been able to find anything official (ie, his lawyer/representative or any court docs) claiming this

Since the $1.62 billion claim comes from the Daily Mail I am sceptical about it, but it's a fact that they expect a LOT of money. In their lawsuit they do not name a sum, but the way it's worded it's clear they want a lot. Wade claims that he had to turn down lucrative jobs because of his alleged abuse and he will not be able to work in the entertainment industry any more where he was on his way to become an "international superstar" if not for the alleged abuse. Yep, he claims that. So basically this means he ask for a compensation for his failed "international superstar" career. And besides compensatory damagas he also asks for puntitive damages - this is why I think he claims the most excessive type of abuse he could (ie. rape and abuse happening on each and every occasion he was alone with MJ in a room and it starting right on the first night etc.) The more occasions of abuse he claims and the more brutal that abuse is the more damages he can expect in case he would win.


Anyway assuming Wade's stories about a nervous breakdown is true, he could have been trying to find a reason for his breakdown and either the therapist suggestion or his mind could have created an elaborate fake molestation scenario. I'm reminded about all the repressed memory hoopla where a lot of women were suddenly claiming to be abused by their fathers or a male relative. Most of the time they had some problems and wanting to find a reason and creating fake memories by questionable therapists about abuse. When they created that fake memory they were relieved as they found a "reason" for their issues( see a long 1992 paper about it : http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume4/j4_4_3.htm )

I do think he has some kind of mental, psychological problem and I think it's true that he had two nervous breakdowns. But I do not think he really believes he was molested by MJ. To me this whole thing is just too focused on money for that. Everything he claims is just too carefully constructed around trying to get around statues and to maximise the damages he can collect to be a genuine belief that he was abused IMO.

But I do think that he has mental problems and that he started to blame MJ for something - and that's probably how he justifies turning on him in his mind.

In his lawsuit he discloses that his father was bipolar and he committed suicide in 2002 as a result. So mental problems may run in the family. On top of that just think about his life: since he was a small child his very ambitious mother put an enormous burden on him to become a star. In this sense his childhood was not unlike Michael's - ie. he did not really have a childhood. I have read articles from the past in which Joy Robson brags how she took Wade to three-four auditions a day when he was a child. And how she was unsatisfied with what they have achieved in their first three years in the US, even though they actually achieved a lot, especially for a child. But to Joy that was not enough. It just shows what an ambitious tiger mom she was and the kind of pressure that might have put on Wade as a child. The whole family was centered around his career and him making it in the entertainment industry. At the age of 15 he was already choreographing top stars like Britney Spears. Moreover, he did not have a lot of contact with his father growing up because the father stayed back in Australia.

So I wonder if all this culminated in some kind of burn out and break down by 2012 and I wonder if he blames Michael for his pressures as a child and as an adult. I think the whole "prophecy" part is kind of a give away about that. It seems to me that he felt pressured to live up to MJ's "prophecy" that he would become such a great director as Steven Spielberg. And when he couldn't and realized he could not that turned into an anger against MJ and he felt that MJ set him up to failure by making him believe he could make it big in the film industry. And since his whole career as a dancer started by imitating MJ I also wonder if he blames the loss of his childhood on MJ as well. It seems to me that he needs a scapegoat but he is "unable and unwilling" to see the scapegoat in his mother who was really the one who pressured him into a career as a child and who put all that enormous pressure on him. MJ encouraged him for sure and gave him some advice, but on contrary with what he is trying to claim with the whole "prophecy" thing the real pressure was put on him by his mother, but that element is very tellingly absent from his lawsuit. Everything is MJ's fault. (He even hints at the suicide of his father being MJ's fault.)

So since he might have convinced himself that it's all MJ's fault he might feel it justified to make him pay for his stalled career in some way. But since you cannot sue for failed prophecies, enter child molestation allegations, which is the most convenient way to sue MJ for someone who's been around him as a child.
 
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I had this thought as I was walking to work this morning- I wonder how much of the general public really, truly even cares about these claims anymore? I know there are two groups of people who are very passionate about them- the haters because it gives them fuel for fire, and people like us... Michael's fans... because it gives us something to fight for- Michael. We're fighting for him and his legacy. But what about everyone else in-between? The general populous? What are their thoughts on these claims? I'd be interested in finding out. And not just the most recent ones, but just... in general. How much do people really care any more?

Yesterday, when it came on the TVnews here in Romania , they were 3 people on the set and after the material about the new allegations was presented they all commented and agreed it was utter BS.
 
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Also as Michael is dead it makes everything different too. When anyone does something bad (allegedly) we get angry, we want them to be arrested and sent to prison. We want them punished. Everyone knows that Michael is dead and nothing can be done to him, he cannot be punished. That's another reason why public isn't interested in this anymore. From their perspective so what if Michael was a pedophile or not, he's already dead and that's now a matter of God with heaven or hell.

I agree. I think that the public and media are getting sick and tired of all this. They all realize that Michael is long gone, the trial in 2005 was basically one big farce because the Arvizo's were scammers, and Michael left behind three children that are old enough to know now what's going on and they will be the one's being ultimately hurt now. They don't want to hurt his children (except the small bunch of crazy stalkers.)

There is no point in relentlessly pursuing this now, and turning it into some crazy witch hunt. The allegations are from SO MANY years ago and people are mostly like whatever. Let him RIP. Just enjoy his music and let it be.

I don't agree with this at all - that because mj is dead and it's all long ago that this explains the lack of outrage and wall to wall coverage. As myosotis said in her post the uk news agenda for the past 2 yrs has been completely dominated by cases of historic sex abuse decades old all arising from the allegations against saville who died in 2011. The interest and sheer anger against saville and alleged pedo dead politicians/public figures is massive and there is public outrage at what's seen as coverups and how they 'got away with it'. The huge difference with mj is that he there was no 'getting away with it' as he faced all these allegations for 17yrs when he was alive, against a biassed district attorney and the tab media, he defended himself against them, he stood trial and got acquitted. It wasn't the case that his victims wdn't be believed, it was the exact opposite - a willing ear in sneddon and the tab media.

If mj had never faced these allegations in his life and yrs after his death these people, prob inspired by what's happening in the uk, had come out of the woodwork with stories of abuse - mj's relationships with children were no secret, this case would be the biggest ever. Doesn't matter that he's dead or it was all yrs ago - it wd dominate everything as he was the biggest star and with him not being here to defend himself, with none of the 'victims' on record having to defend him and able to say he was too powerful to accuse, then it wd be game over for his legacy. He would be finished - people would feel so confused, angry, distrustful. Although mj had to live an absolute nightmare in his life, and i think it led to his death, it does mean that his reputation has survived the worst that can be thrown at him and he had the opportunity to stand up for himself. The public and even most of the media recognise that he faced the witchhunt when he was alive, so witchhunts after his death look real shabby.
 
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Since the $1.62 billion claim comes from the Daily Mail I am sceptical about it, but it's a fact that they expect a LOT of money. In their lawsuit they do not name a sum, but the way it's worded it's clear they want a lot. Wade claims that he had to turn down lucrative jobs because of his alleged abuse and he will not be able to work in the entertainment industry any more where he was on his way to become an "international superstar" if not for the alleged abuse. Yep, he claims that. So basically this means he ask for a compensation for his failed "international superstar" career. And besides compensatory damagas he also asks for puntitive damages - this is why I think he claims the most excessive type of abuse he could (ie. rape and abuse happening on each and every occasion he was alone with MJ in a room and it starting right on the first night etc.) The more occasions of abuse he claims and the more brutal that abuse is the more damages he can expect in case he would win.

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So I wonder if all this culminated in some kind of burn out and break down by 2012 and I wonder if he blames Michael for his pressures as a child and as an adult. I think the whole "prophecy" part is kind of a give away about that. It seems to me that he felt pressured to live up to MJ's "prophecy" that he would become such a great director as Steven Spielberg. And when he couldn't and realized he could not that turned into an anger against MJ and he felt that MJ set him up to failure by making him believe he could make it big in the film industry. And since his whole career as a dancer started by imitating MJ I also wonder if he blames the loss of his childhood on MJ as well. It seems to me that he needs a scapegoat but he is "unable and unwilling" to see the scapegoat in his mother who was really the one who pressured him into a career as a child and who put all that enormous pressure on him. MJ encouraged him for sure and gave him some advice, but on contrary with what he is trying to claim with the whole "prophecy" thing the real pressure was put on him by his mother, but that element is very tellingly absent from his lawsuit. Everything is MJ's fault. (He even hints at the suicide of his father being MJ's fault.)

So since he might have convinced himself that it's all MJ's fault he might feel it justified to make him pay for his stalled career in some way. But since you cannot sue for failed prophecies, enter child molestation allegations, which is the most convenient way to sue MJ for someone who's been around him as a child.

But more than that, just as much as the money ( whether the actual sum claimed is inflated or not) is that he/ they seem to want to destroy Michael entirely...his cultural legacy, all the good memories people have of him, his 'meaning and significance in society'. This is exactly what has happened (for justifiable reasons) to Savile, whose family even arranged to have his headstone smashed. I wonder if W and J have been taking notes ....
(Savile was a monster who deserves to be demonised....very many people who worked with him 'knew' or had strong suspicions about his abuse, but he was 'untouchable' at the time....Quite the reverse for Michael who has been demonised and prosecuted for the sake of greed and ambition).
 
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Yes, same person.

The Chandlers used him in a very sneaky way. They took Jordan to him in October 1993 and then they leaked his interview with him in 2003 but notice how they never leaked Gardner's conclusion, just the interview! I wonder why. I'd be surprised if it was favourable to them because Jordan sounds extremely coached in that interview. And it's also telling that after that they did not use Gardner any more but they moved on to Stan Katz who did the evaluation of Jordan's interview with Gardner. Once again, why? Why did they need another psychologist (one who had a record of giving credit to ridiculous child abuse claims - ie. McMartin case - and who had a good relationship with Larry Feldman since 1987) make a conclusion, why wasn't Gardner's own conclusion good enough for them?

BTW Gardner died in 2003.
 
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Or a sign of a fake or even planted memory.

I'll tell you a personal story:

when I was a little kid playing outside, a guy approached to me saying he got birds at his home and he could give me one if I go with him. I ran to my father saying what he said asking his permission for a pet. My father got angry, cops were called, he was arrested and I overheard the conversations and even interviewed but as a little kid I didn't understand the fuss and I didn't even think about it at all.

Then several years later when I was teenager I started having these very vivid dreams that I saw myself going with him. I could have told you every street, how to get to the house, how the house looked, birds in cages etc. It all seemed very real. I mentioned my mother my dreams and she told me it didn't happen it was just my imagination. I even tried to trace my steps in my dreams but the streets, houses weren't there. So it wasn't real. My doctor gave a very simple explanation about what was happening : I had grown to an age to understand what the event was about and what it could have been and I was scared and my mind was creating a false "what if" worst case scenario. Basically I was having a realization and freaking about what could have happened - but didn't really happen.

Anyway assuming Wade's stories about a nervous breakdown is true, he could have been trying to find a reason for his breakdown and either the therapist suggestion or his mind could have created an elaborate fake molestation scenario. I'm reminded about all the repressed memory hoopla where a lot of women were suddenly claiming to be abused by their fathers or a male relative. Most of the time they had some problems and wanting to find a reason and creating fake memories by questionable therapists about abuse. When they created that fake memory they were relieved as they found a "reason" for their issues( see a long 1992 paper about it : http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume4/j4_4_3.htm )

Anyway I'm not saying this is the case. he could be simply lying. But personally I get really suspicious when people say a mental specialist helped them uncover or realize abuse.

Yeah I'm 33 and I barely remember much from when I was 9-14. Unless these men suffer from PTSD or kept a secret diary, then I find it very suspicious how they are remembering all this specific details so well.
 
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I agree. I think that the public and media are getting sick and tired of all this. They all realize that Michael is long gone, the trial in 2005 was basically one big farce because the Arvizo's were scammers, and Michael left behind three children that are old enough to know now what's going on and they will be the one's being ultimately hurt now. They don't want to hurt his children (except the small bunch of crazy stalkers.)

There is no point in relentlessly pursuing this now, and turning it into some crazy witch hunt. The allegations are from SO MANY years ago and people are mostly like whatever. Let him RIP. Just enjoy his music and let it be.




I agree.
 
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I hope that nobody starts to die, all of a sudden, coincidentally... like Mesereau, or poeple who were with MJ during the 1988-1997, and those involved in the cases 1993/2003, I mean proMichael people, they are the witnesses.

anyway.... dont want to bring here any conspiracy, but hope... the AEG vengeance, or the continuing media (corporation) conspiracy led with the same guys from the very early 1990s, including "the jew thing"... is not the clue.... of all of this.
 
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Or a sign of a fake or even planted memory.

This is possible Chandler did it with his son he planted a memory that was lies
 
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There have been several prosecutions of high profile public personalities following the 'Jimmy Savile' revelations in the UK eg Rolf Harris etc. Plus ongoing investigations into possible police/ political cover-ups. All of these refer to historic events going back to the 70s or before. I don't think the public concern about child abuse is always necessarily entirely MJ-focused (even in the US?), but there is a general concern that perpetrators 'got away with' abuse decades ago, and that their victims deserve a (criminal) hearing, where the perpetrators are still alive, and to be believed where the perpetrators are dead. It is thought that victims of Savile will claim compensation from his Estate.

I guess I wasn't trying to think too deeply with my question- but you raise some valid points. I was more interested in Michael specifically... does the general population really even care to hear about these [outrageous] alleged claims of sexual abuse anymore?

Back in the day, there was interest in the story and it did make the media outlets a LOT of money by running these scandalous stories. Anything that painted Michael in a bad light would make money, and the worse the story, the more money it brought in. But over the years, I wonder if there has been a shift in what people think and believe- especially after the acquittal and since his passing.

Anyhow, my point is this: the media only runs with stories that they know will sell and will make them money. I understand it will take time, but hopefully we will see fewer and fewer of these headlines and the media will stop dragging Michael through the mud. Enough is enough already. Give it a rest.
 
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As Michael is dead
as both of them told not only these stories now but also the opposite was true before, means proving themselves liars (no matter if this time or the other),
it's not about repressed memory it's simply about fictive stories... the public does think this is only about money, which it is... if the public does take note of this at all.

The general public is not more nor less stupid than we on this forum.

Can't wait for this to be over... honestly even me wouldn't care about this, if I wouldn't cuz of Paris, Prince and Blanket... it's simply so unfair to them.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't agree with this at all - that because mj is dead and it's all long ago that this explains the lack of outrage and wall to wall coverage. As myosotis said in her post the uk news agenda for the past 2 yrs has been completely dominated by cases of historic sex abuse decades old all arising from the allegations against saville who died in 2011. The interest and sheer anger against saville and alleged pedo dead politicians/public figures is massive and there is public outrage at what's seen as coverups and how they 'got away with it'. The huge difference with mj is that he there was no 'getting away with it' as he faced all these allegations for 17yrs when he was alive, against a biassed district attorney and the tab media, he defended himself against them, he stood trial and got acquitted. It wasn't the case that his victims wdn't be believed, it was the exact opposite - a willing ear in sneddon and the tab media.

If mj had never faced these allegations in his life and yrs after his death these people, prob inspired by what's happening in the uk, had come out of the woodwork with stories of abuse - mj's relationships with children were no secret, this case would be the biggest ever. Doesn't matter that he's dead or it was all yrs ago - it wd dominate everything as he was the biggest star and with him not being here to defend himself, with none of the 'victims' on record having to defend him and able to say he was too powerful to accuse, then it wd be game over for his legacy. He would be finished - people would feel so confused, angry, distrustful. Although mj had to live an absolute nightmare in his life, and i think it led to his death, it does mean that his reputation has survived the worst that can be thrown at him and he had the opportunity to stand up for himself. The public and even most of the media recognise that he faced the witchhunt when he was alive, so witchhunts after his death look real shabby.

Well, that is part of my point. For the media, part of the 'fun' was watching Michael trying to defend himself and watching what he would do. They were ready to make a business out of him going to prison. With him being dead, they cannot do that anymore. Also, these new allegations are mostly stuff we heard before with some new weirdness or disgusting stuff like marriage and anal rape. So, for the media it is the same old story, but this time you cannot enjoy Michael's reaction. If he was alive, even with all the flaws Wade and Chuck have, they would run with this story just for the sight of seeing Michael squirm and get new sound bits.

You are also right that this story would have gotten more traction if Michael never faced allegations before, therefore Wade and Chuck wouldn't be on record claiming that nothing happened. But, then we have to ask would people claim child abuse if Michael was never accused of it in life. Unless a flood of victims comes forward like Savile with similar stories, people tend not to completely believe such things since the dead person cannot confirm or deny anything. Such stories sells good books and interviews, but the general public tend not to buy it because the prevailing question becomes 'why wait until the person is dead to come forward, it's too late now. They can't even defend themselves'. Them asking for money also does not help their creditability.

So, if this would have gained traction if Michael was never accused is a chicken or the egg question.
 
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“@teaicedcaramel: @BrendaRichie James Safechuck claims MJ married him. Wade Robson wants $1.62 billion dollars.” Dumbest thing I ever heard

@PJ4MJJ I have to stay off the Net and Social Media because I will blow if I read too much. I know they are lying and it makes me SICK!

@msirismg I know. It is so unfair to the children. KARMA IS HELL!

andjustice4MJ @andjustice4some · 22 h.

“There is a higher court than courts of justice and that is the court of conscience. It supercedes all other courts.” Gandhi #TakeNoteRobson

RT@GadgetTrish: Jaafar Jackson thoughts of Michael Jackson from August 5, 2014 I sit down and talk to God...asking http://pinterest.com/pin/19984792071702371/ … …

August 5, 2014 I sit down and talk to God...asking him how are you doing?... If God gave me a wish that would be just to spend an hour or even 5 minutes just to hug you and tell you how much i miss you..."Limitations live only in our minds,but if we use our imaginations..our possibilities become limitless"Nothing is impossible...-Jaafar #UncleMichael #MyLifeWithoutYou #MissingYou #MJ4everAndAlways
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeah theses allegations are getting out of hand and beyond the joke now. just leave Michael alone and let him rest in piece and WR & JS go and f*** each other u both suit one another . I guess u both havnt fount how his kids are feeling see things like this.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, same person.

The Chandlers used him in a very sneaky way. They took Jordan to him in October 1993 and then they leaked his interview with him in 2003 but notice how they never leaked Gardner's conclusion, just the interview! I wonder why. I'd be surprised if it was favourable to them because Jordan sounds extremely coached in that interview. And it's also telling that after that they did not use Gardner any more but they moved on to Stan Katz who did the evaluation of Jordan's interview with Gardner. Once again, why? Why did they need another psychologist (one who had a record of giving credit to ridiculous child abuse claims - ie. McMartin case - and who had a good relationship with Larry Feldman since 1987) make a conclusion, why wasn't Gardner's own conclusion good enough for them?

BTW Gardner died in 2003.

I thought so, I remember that his thoughts on it aren't known, I'd love to know what conclusion he made and I agree that he probably told them something they didn't want to hear. I remember hearing about his death to, a suicide. Very sad.
 
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