[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

To attorney and legal analyst Mark Haushalter "this is an effort to break the Jackson piggy bank." He thinks the case will go nowhere.

http://www.myfoxla.com/story/26207464/even-in-death-michael-jackson-is-accused-in-the-courts

 

[HIStory]

Jackson had Safechuck dress like him to the point the boy looked like a “miniature version” of the singer, Safechuck’s attorneys’ court papers state.

Evan Chandler's heirs should sue them for royalties because they sure use his story a lot. It is in Ray and Evan Chandlers book where it's a made a point how dressing the same way as Michael is somehow a sign of sexual abuse. Quote from the book:

“Monique reiterated her opinion that Michael was taking up too much of Jordie’s life. But this time she offered an additional observation. “Jordie doesn’t even know you’re in the room, Evan. Can’t you see what’s going on? They’re in love!”
The minute the L word left Monique’s mouth, Evan believed she was right. “It should have been a dead giveaway,” Evan recalled weeks later, when Jordie came walking in the house that night wearing tight black pants, white socks, black loafers and a black fedora, and Michael came walking in right behind him wearing the same riling. Or when they ran off into the living room together after dinner and closed the door behind them, leaving me to work alone on the history paper. Or that Michael never once called Jordie by name, referring to him instead by affectionate nicknames like ‘Applehead’ and ‘Doo Doo Head.’”
“Do you think it’s physical?’ Evan asked his wife.
“I don’t know?” Monique answered. “It could just be infatuation. But whatever it is, it’s not good for Jordie.” [1; page 45]
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It was Evan who was big on this whole "he was a miniature version of Michael" thing as if that was a sign of sexual abuse:

“Even if there was no sex, Jordie’s personality had been seriously altered. As he morphed day by day into a pint-sized clone of Michael, he withdrew further and further from his family and friends.” [1; page 49]

Safechuck alleges the pop star went molested him about 100 times for four years up until he reached puberty.

100 times? Wow. I guess that would translate to a LOT of compensatory and puntitive damages...

They are really going overboard with everything in their greed. Both Wade and him.

According to Safechuck’s attorneys’ court papers, their client was able to gain “insight” from Robson’s claim and he then obtained psychiatric help that has allowed him to come forward with details of the “loathsome nature of his childhood sexual relationship with (Jackson), the effects of which he has buried for decades.”

So 1993 did not trigger anything in him? 2005 did not trigger anything in him? All those things did not give him the much needed "insight" about how having sex with a minor more than 100 times would be sexual abuse. But seeing Wade suddenly enlightened him and of course he just happened to seek out the same lawyer. How convenient.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

100 times? He counted them ? Trust me regardless of how memorable some events were in my life that spread over 28 years, I certainly would never be able to remember 100 of them ,. How could have he remembered 100 incidents from childhood suddenly after claiming he was not even considering any of what happened to him abuse but some sort of love?

How many of you can detail 100 nights of sex ? lol

 

[Neverland Valley Princess]

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What I want to know is that if WR claims that he only recently realised that what he claims Michael did is wrong, does that mean if someone had done that to his child, he would have thought it was ok and let it continue?

 

[HIStory]

Did they divorce by the time this pic was made or are we witnessing bigamy in this picture? And how did James take it when he was relegated from husband to an umbrella holder?

“And (Jackson) was successful in his efforts to the point that (Safechuck) endured repeated acts of sexual abuse of a heinous nature and was brainwashed by the decedent into believing they were acts of love and instigated by James himself rather than the decedent.”

So James was molested about 100 times but despite of that the brainwashing of MJ was so effective on him that he did not realize until he was 36-years-old that such acts are not loving but in fact sexual abuse? Despite of the 2005 trial (when he was 27-year-old) and everything. All those things triggered nothing in him but Messiah Wade (well, and the prospect of making big money) finally did...

Just like with Wade's anal rape claims the things he describes would be extremely traumatic for a teenage boy - I mean 100 occasions of molestation... And we do not know yet, but I suspect he will claim similar acts as Wade, including anal sex. If that is the case that would be even more traumatic. So how come that all these years no one in his family, mother, father etc. realized anything psysically, psychologically? This would mess up a boy extremely. They think they strengthen each other's cases, but when you have two guys who are represented by the same lawyer claiming similarly idiotic and borderline impossible things then that does not strenghten the case IMO but just will reek of desperate money grab orchestrated by an ambulance chasing pitbull attorney.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

His story sounds so off the wall I suspect Diane helped a little bit

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

IMO Beckloff should have sealed this graphic mess for the sake of the children and just the decency of it--these are disgustingly detailed allegations and the media is on it now, thanks to Beckloff.

Also IMO he should have thrown this stuff out by now--WR filed over a year ago--wake up, Beckloff--throw this stuff out!

Thank you. I'm sorry. But this is exactly why I've always had such a low opinion of judges when Michael Jackson is involved. It also makes me afraid of how biased this judge might be when he allows horribly graphic garbage like this to be put out there. He doesn't have to like Michael. But even he should know how disgusting and crazy this is. I can't stand this. And yet, I have to helplessly sit back and watch this mess get worse and worse. Jeez, this makes me sick.

 

[Neverland Valley Princess]

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Unfortunately, judges are constrained by process. They cannot simply throw out a case just because they think something is crazy. It is unfortunate when it comes to Michael because we know how ridiculous these claims are but if you look at it more widely, it's essential that the process is followed to ensure that justice is done.There are cases that, on the face of it, appear absolutely insane but that actually have merit. Of course, here that means that Michael's name is dragged through the mud yet again :-(

 

[dannyboy72]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"The things people will say and do for money and to stay relevant is sickening. Desperate times call for desperate measures"---Taj Jackson

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Did they divorce by the time this pic was made or are we witnessing bigamy in this picture? And how did James take it when he was relegated from husband to an umbrella holder?

Did James already say anywhere what he is looking to get out, or is he going to for whole nine yards thingy and claiming to be Michael's widow and rightful beneficiary of his estate :cheeky:

 

[Neverland Valley Princess]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is James the mother of Blanket?! :bugeyed

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is James the mother of Blanket?! :bugeyed

Anything is possible in crazy world where these people lives

I wonder if the water is poisonous where they live if it effect on their brains?

 

[analogue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have different feelings about this. Part of me wants it to go to court so these allegations can be proven as bullshit like they were in 2005 and we will have evidence to back up Michael's innocence.

The other part of me doesn't want it to go to court because I don't want Michael's name dragged through the mud- though that's already happening anyway

People who think Michael is guilty will think so no matter what

If this doesn't go to court they'd say ''The estate paid Wade and James hush money''
and if this does go to court and MJ is found innocent they'd say ''The estate bribed to jury''

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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Can people post the articles on here, with no link - i refuse to give more clicks to these articles in the media, but wd like to know what's being claimed.

Mj and safechuck were detained by store detectives in the late 80s i think, when they were in a jewellry store. Mj was in one of his disguises and acting furtive in case crowds noticed him so the store tecs thought he was a criminal casing the joint. It made the media as a fun story, there's a youtube of it somewhere. Safechuck will prob use it as 'evidence' that they were looking for wedding rings.

If this doesn't go to court they'd say ''The estate paid Wade and James hush money''
and if this does go to court and MJ is found innocent they'd say ''The estate bribed to jury''

If it doesn't get to court it'll be because the claims didn't meet the time limitations. If it goes to court and mj is not found liable, it'll be because he wasn't liable. People who think juries are bribed when they don't agree with verdicts read too much john grisham.

 

[analogue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What pisses me off is when people say that MJ got special treatment because he was a celebrity. When in fact it was the complete opposite. He was treated worse by the media and general public because he was a celebrity

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Did they divorce by the time this pic was made or are we witnessing bigamy in this picture? And how did James take it when he was relegated from husband to an umbrella holder?


So James was molested about 100 times but despite of that the brainwashing of MJ was so effective on him that he did not realize until he was 36-years-old that such acts are not loving but in fact sexual abuse? Despite of the 2005 trial (when he was 27-year-old) and everything. All those things triggered nothing in him but Messiah Wade (well, and the prospect of making big money) finally did...

Just like with Wade's anal rape claims the things he describes would be extremely traumatic for a teenage boy - I mean 100 occasions of molestation... And we do not know yet, but I suspect he will claim similar acts as Wade, including anal sex. If that is the case that would be even more traumatic. So how come that all these years no one in his family, mother, father etc. realized anything psysically, psychologically? This would mess up a boy extremely. They think they strengthen each other's cases, but when you have two guys who are represented by the same lawyer claiming similarly idiotic and borderline impossible things then that does not strenghten the case IMO but just will reek of desperate money grab orchestrated by an ambulance chasing pitbull attorney.

I totally agree. I have read of very rare cases where families become totally incestuous and the children are 'normalised' to sexual behaviour in childhood and don't think it unusual. I think it would be more than unlikely that this was the case with W and J's families. I have also read that it is common for children who are 'normalised' to this kind of behaviour by abusers (including from outside the family) go on to treat others around them in the same way ie friends, siblings etc, because this is what they believe 'is done' in normal life. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of that happening, or the parents would surely have taken steps to find out why. None of this makes any sense to me at all, except as a total fabrication.

(and I can't imagine Bill Bray ( former police officer) or Miko Brando sticking around and saying / doing nothing, if the children gave any indication of anything untoward happening)

 

[seany]

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Nothing to see here

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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^It doesn't really help if you just post a link. It means we have to click on the link to see what's being talked about and the numbers of clicks alerts the media org that this is a popular topic so they'll do more. I don't see why we have to help even in a miniscule way to keep this topic 'hot'.

Maybe mods can just remove links.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How about we stop posting bullish stories?

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

People who think Michael is guilty will think so no matter what

If this doesn't go to court they'd say ''The estate paid Wade and James hush money''
and if this does go to court and MJ is found innocent they'd say ''The estate bribed to jury''

I think at this point, most people do not care. Of course Mj haters are going to always talk and who cares what they think. MJ legacy is sealed.

 

[LastTear]

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^^^^ We do have to know what is being said, however, we don't need the links.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What pisses me off is when people say that MJ got special treatment because he was a celebrity. When in fact it was the complete opposite. He was treated worse by the media and general public because he was a celebrity

Anyone who think M got special treatment is stupid. MJ was treated worst than a serial killer.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It amazes me that anytime MJ have news, this stuff will come up. the news of Neverland being sold came out, and now this story. I am glad hardly no one is following it. Only tabloid people (and even that is not too many).

 

[Justthefacts]

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^^^^ We do have to know what is being said, however, we don't need the links.

Why do we need to know what the rags are saying?

 

[HIStory]

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You see... This is what I worry about... These news articles... Can you imagine being a kid wanting to research MJ online and all you get is a bombardment of shit like this...?


http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/michael-jackson-really-was-a-pedophile/

Actually this is an old article from May and I don't think this article will "bombard" anyone unless MJ fans bring them here. I mean no one even shared it on Facebook, Reddit or anywhere. It seems like a pretty obscure article actually, so let's not popularize it.

 

[Victory22]

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I have to say this thank you God for taking Michael. That good man really had enough of this f@cked up world.

I feel the same way. This evil, ugly sh-- would hurt Michael so badly.

 

[terrell]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Actually this is an old article from May and I don't think this article will "bombard" anyone unless MJ fans bring them here. I mean no one even shared it on Facebook, Reddit or anywhere. It seems like a pretty obscure article actually, so let's not popularize it.

I agree. I am tired of this mess. He is gone and some people still trying to bother him.

 

[ILoveHIStory]

Guys, that is the plan how to reduce and destroy naything related to MJ and his posthumous success.
There is the pattern of allegations, the same pattern of details, the same characters, especially, and not coincidentally, the over 30 y.o. guys (seriously taken that they were MJs strongest supporters) dating the abuse to the early 90s, and miraculously at the very same time (2014) and case (Wades´s).

Of course, both testified under oath and defended MJ, and all of a sudden, at the very same time they claim they are the victims of sex abuse with filthy and shamless claims and details.

MJ community has to defend MJ online, comment the articles and discussions. I find it weird and suspicious that the neverending story coming up anytime something is good in MJs "life", I woudnt be surprised if the very same people from the 1993/2003 cases were involved in this one, or at least if Sneddon has his say as a proffessional and former DA specializing in Michael Jackson (jacksonologist), or the same journalists (if fact it happenes - DD).

I wouldnt be surprised if there was something like - lets join our forces - and all of a sudden Gavin (and Star) Arvizo were witnesses, or even Jordan Chandler, or any of the so-called victims incliding those testified at court in 2005 like the son of the former NL maid (dunno his name) who accepted the 2 mill. settlement, or again all the ex NL employees (maids, bodyguards, managers...), so... after 10 year period (August 1993/november 2003/june 2005/2013 WR´s accusation/2014/2015 - Safechuck´s accusation), there will be the very same scenario of a fictitious trial about Mj but without him being DEAD for 5 years who cant defend himself...?
And MJ fans... have to face the same hatred and insults for defending MJ.

How many times MJ should have been accused of anything and how many times MJ should have won all of it, repeatedly ... to be innocent? or at least so that many people outthere wouldnt be biased and deluded by tabloid BS?

To them its enough to read that someone claims that e.g. MJ called something duck butter and they automatically believe it... because... its written, or reported by tabloid or because the self-titled accuser claims that? wow!

Only MJ fans can defend Michael but only with the relevant facts, the official court docs and files available on the net, its really like a neverending story and many of us have to re-open our file folders in our PC to browse the facts from the 2003-2005 trial..., so sad and sometime depressing knowing we have to go through this once again...

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Did James' filed documents show up in the court IT system yet or did TMZ just exclusively got that? I find it very interesting that yesterday Howard Weitzman made a comment to RadarOnline about not wanting to settle and just a couple of hours later - almost as if in answer to that - TMZ publishes this story.

I believe they did. TMZ said they filed Monday and these following fit Monday.

08/04/2014 Declaration - Probate
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

08/04/2014 Notice
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

08/04/2014 Declaration
Filed by Attorney for Claimant

Why do they act as if these are new allegations? I thought he filed back in May.

I think he filed in May but it was sealed. Judge looked over them and entered them into the system redacted on Monday. That's when TMZ got a copy from the court system.

this is Fox LA wrote "In just un-sealed court papers", so that's when media got access to the documents.

 

[terrell]

Guys, that is the plan how to reduce and destroy naything related to MJ and his posthumous success.
There is the pattern of allegations, the same pattern of details, the same characters, especially, and not coincidentally, the over 30 y.o. guys (seriously taken that they were MJs strongest supporters) dating the abuse to the early 90s, and miraculously at the very same time (2014) and case (Wades´s).

Of course, both testified under oath and defended MJ, and all of a sudden, at the very same time they claim they are the victims of sex abuse with filthy and shamless claims and details.

MJ community has to defend MJ online, comment the articles and discussions. I find it weird and suspicious that the neverending story coming up anytime something is good in MJs "life", I woudnt be surprised if the very same people from the 1993/2003 cases were involved in this one, or at least if Sneddon has his say as a proffessional and former DA specializing in Michael Jackson (jacksonologist), or the same journalists (if fact it happenes - DD).

I wouldnt be surprised if there was something like - lets join our forces - and all of a sudden Gavin (and Star) Arvizo were witnesses, or even Jordan Chandler, or any of the so-called victims incliding those testified at court in 2005 like the son of the former NL maid (dunno his name) who accepted the 2 mill. settlement, or again all the ex NL employees (maids, bodyguards, managers...), so... after 10 year period (August 1993/november 2003/june 2005/2013 WR´s accusation/2014/2015 - Safechuck´s accusation), there will be the very same scenario of a fictitious trial about Mj but without him being DEAD for 5 years who cant defend himself...?
And MJ fans... have to face the same hatred and insults for defending MJ.

How many times MJ should have been accused of anything and how many times MJ should have won all of it, repeatedly ... to be innocent? or at least so that many people outthere wouldnt be biased and deluded by tabloid BS?

To them its enough to read that someone claims that e.g. MJ called something duck butter and they automatically believe it... because... its written, or reported by tabloid or because the self-titled accuser claims that? wow!

Only MJ fans can defend Michael but only with the relevant facts, the official court docs and files available on the net, its really like a neverending story and many of us have to re-open our file folders in our PC to browse the facts from the 2003-2005 trial..., so sad and sometime depressing knowing we have to go through this once again...

I agree; however,at this point, I think Many people know was a target. As a fan who defended MJ, I find people are willing to listen; and now, many folks that I have com in contact it do not want to hear it no more because MJ is gone and he is a target. Anyone can make a claim now and only MJ haters (who are going to hate no matter what even if these guys defend MJ) are going enjoy this. I just hope this nonsense stop. again, when something good happen to MJ Estate, these stories all of sudden appear. Enuf is Enuf.