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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

maral said:
no matter how you look at this the Robsons looks bad and more crazy than Arvizos (not sure about the spelling)
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I wouldn't go that far. It doesn't get much crazier than claiming Michael planned to whisk you away to another continent in a hot air balloon. Or that Michael kept you hostage at Neverland for weeks while receipts show that you were out shopping and going to the spa (on Michael's dime, of course) during that time.

No, the danger with Wade is that he's done his research and tries hard to make his case sound reasonable. Fortunately for us, he's left a 20-year trail of non-stop praise for Michael that he now has to rationalise and this is why his claims are becoming more and more extreme. He wants the attention to stay on Michael (so people won't scrutinise him and his motives) and in order to do that, he has to prove what a "monster" Michael was all the time. Now Michael is responsible for his father's suicide over a decade ago :smilerolleyes: Wade will grasp at anything that shows Michael in a bad light and corroborates his story, whether it's fake FBI files or discredited former employees. Like I predicted when Wade first made his allegations, he will go overboard like the other accusers. They just can't help themselves.
 
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BeautifulMJ said:
I came across an old article about WR, and here's an interesting tidbit about his dad. "...a mental-health worker who died in 2002 after a long illness."

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20143855,00.html
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That illness could've been bi-polar disorder. And People doesn't always get it right, as we've seen with Michael. I don't think Wade would claim his father committed suicide if he didn't because that would be so easy to disprove.
 
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It could also be easily disprove that Michael showed him porn. But he said that didn't he?
 
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Justthefacts said:
It could also be easily disprove that Michael showed him porn. But he said that didn't he?
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That's not as easy to disprove as his father's cause of death.

Anyway, he's said other things that are easy to disprove (like not knowing the Estate was administered until a few months ago) but these were instrumental to his claim. I just don't see why he would lie about something obvious like this when he doesn't have to, it only damages his credibility. Besides, like I said, the illness could've been bi-polar disorder or People Magazine could've been wrong.
 
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LindavG said:
Just stop it. This story is radically different from Wade Robson's. There were no "repressed memories" or anything here. Here's some quotes from article:



I don't know what your agenda is, why you keep posting things to make Michael look "suspicious", all I know is that I personally find it very annoying.
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I have no agenda (wtf)..., what casts the shadow to make anybody suspicious are the similarities and the patterns... in this case it can (and I meant that) be/it is WR and his story that started on tv, not MJ....

What makes you annoying...... is irrelevant here..., you can not be biased and tendentious (its me who can say - I personally find it very annoying... that you are attacking on me and my work for MJ fans through my personal info blog MJJsource.eu, but lets forget it...).
 
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LindavG said:
That's not as easy to disprove as his father's cause of death.

Anyway, he's said other things that are easy to disprove (like not knowing the Estate was administered until a few months ago) but these were instrumental to his claim. I just don't see why he would lie about something obvious like this when he doesn't have to, it only damages his credibility. Besides, like I said, the illness could've been bi-polar disorder or People Magazine could've been wrong.
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Go read what he said in 05
 
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MJLovesyoumore said:
You guy's have to read the last post by the guy who made the support for Wade page, I think he is definitely loosing it:

"At this point forward if you are not here to support Wade Robson and here to spout off about any topic regarding Michael Jackson's innocence or to make any nasty remarkS it will be viewed as harassment and will be reported. Again any comment from this point forward THAT IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF WADE ROBSON 07/05/13 11pm est. WILL BE CONSIDERED HARASSMENT. IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THIS RULE YOU ARE WILLFULLY ADMITING YOU ARE COMMITING HARASSMENT AND WILL BE FORWARDED TO PROPER AUTHORITIES!"

:rofl::wtf2::lol::laugh:
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Funny ^^. Someone is getting very frustrated.

Guys don't forget these types of haters are like people who spend hours, using their brilliant talents, to make viruses and worms to destroy data & people's computers. They get pleasure from the destruction itself. We are talking about a deep sickness here, so if there was no Michael, they would latch on to another human to destroy.
 
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Moonwalker.Fan said:
I have no agenda (wtf)..., what casts the shadow to make anybody suspicious are the similarities and the patterns... in this case it can (and I meant that) be/it is WR and his story that started on tv, not MJ....

What makes you annoying...... is irrelevant here..., you can not be biased and tendentious (its me who can say - I personally find it very annoying... that you are attacking on me and my work for MJ fans through my personal info blog MJJsource.eu, but lets forget it...).
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There are no similarities or patterns at all if you actually read the story. This is not the first time you've cast suspicions on MJ's relationship with children and I'm not the only person to notice this. You do seem to be a fan, which is why I said I don't know what your agenda is. I don't understand why any fan would actively seek out things and take them out of context to make MJ look bad. There is enough of that out there, I would hope MJJC remains a refuge for people who believe in his innocence.

I haven't said anything about the work you do for MJ fans through your blog and my comment was certainly not meant as a personal attack. Maybe you never meant to imply that MJ was guilty but your posts can easily be interpreted that way, so be careful with that.
 
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I am so glad that the Estate is basically "ignoring" that bitch Wade Robson. If they respond to every lie that this bitch is throwing out there, that will give him the attention that he craves. This is not the time for them to give him that attention. Let the bitch Wade wallow in his desperation for now.
 
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Justthefacts said:
It could also be easily disprove that Michael showed him porn. But he said that didn't he?
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You are so right. Wade has no problem with changing facts to fit his lies. He is scum.
 
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A seperate thread should be made for this new mirror article and all the follow-up replies - for easier access in the future for reference.
 
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LindavG said:
That illness could've been bi-polar disorder. And People doesn't always get it right, as we've seen with Michael. I don't think Wade would claim his father committed suicide if he didn't because that would be so easy to disprove.
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It could also be that he suffered from an illness too, that we don't know about.

Evan Chandler killed himself in 2009 because he had manic depression as well as some other cancer type thing.

OR it could mean that the illness was manic depression in its most severe form, which makes it even more likely Wade would develop it too.

Anyway, it makes it interesting, also because his father worked in mental health? So even more of a person who should have seen signs in Wade and never did and never asked/told him it was wrong? Even though he was also a victim?

This stuff will twist Wade into knots on any witness stand.
 
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LindavG said:
No, the danger with Wade is that he's done his research and tries hard to make his case sound reasonable. Fortunately for us, he's left a 20-year trail of non-stop praise for Michael that he now has to rationalise and this is why his claims are becoming more and more extreme. He wants the attention to stay on Michael (so people won't scrutinise him and his motives) and in order to do that, he has to prove what a "monster" Michael was all the time. Now Michael is responsible for his father's suicide over a decade ago Wade will grasp at anything that shows Michael in a bad light and corroborates his story, whether it's fake FBI files or discredited former employees. Like I predicted when Wade first made his allegations, he will go overboard like the other accusers. They just can't help themselves.
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And besides that, Wade, like the Arvizos, has to contend with the fact that there is a real story behind how he came to such a pass that he would make these allegations. Both he and the Arvizos created elaborate parallel realities in which which they were victims, apparently counting on no one being able to see through them or to find out about their pasts. But with indications of how much some of Wade's coworkers disliked him and his cockiness, and the ridiculous narcissism of his court petition, I believe there is a true sequence of events that led to this, that there are people out there that know what it is, and they will tell it. I think it has much more to do with Wade's failure to meet expectations, certainly on the grand scale revealed by his lawsuit, and his desire to find an external cause for his failures, than anything Michael ever did to him. That strange anger at Michael for having predicted great things for him, and the odd projection of himself as a superstar of Michael's caliber hints that the real cause of his resentment is being confronted with the cold reality that he will never equal his mentor. Normal people could adjust to that just fine, knowing that very few people achieve that level of stardom, and that there's no shame in not doing so. I have a feeling that didn't work for Wade, though, and the only way he can exorcise his feelings of failure is to destroy the thing he couldn't become.


The same goes for his father's suicide. There is a real story behind that, too, whether it be personal or professional problems or even an issue with the medical care he was prescribed. It's pretty hard to draw a straight line between allegations made in 1993 and a suicide 9 years later. It may seem like a great sympathy ploy, but I don't think it's going to stand up, and Wade may end up looking quite manipulative.
 
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^^Yes that is a major issue that people who file bogus cases never take into consideration--the fact that they will be investigated and the circumstances leading up to the allegations and all their actions relating to the allegations will be investigated. Further, their videos, internet activity, interviews, and conversations to "friends" will be scrutinized. They never see themselves having to be deposed or questioned on the witness stand. We are going to find out more damaging evidence once this case gets to trial and the estate witnesses begin testifying.

About this dad, I wonder what is the true story here. Is it correct that he worked in mental health and also had a mental disorder? Plus he was sexually abused? He killed himself or he did not? People do not die because they have mental illness, per se, they have to have some other physical problem that kills them, such as being psychotic but also having cancer/tumor/heart problems/accidental overdose on drugs, etc.

During college years I worked at a psychiatric residential facility and the few people who died from there had other physical health issues that caused their death. Even those who committed suicide when they went to live on their own did so during periods of despondency, loneliness, or when they freak out about some information or situation.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

RedMaryFlint said:
And besides that, Wade, like the Arvizos, has to contend with the fact that there is a real story behind how he came to such a pass that he would make these allegations. Both he and the Arvizos created elaborate parallel realities in which which they were victims, apparently counting on no one being able to see through them or to find out about their pasts. But with indications of how much some of Wade's coworkers disliked him and his cockiness, and the ridiculous narcissism of his court petition, I believe there is a true sequence of events that led to this, that there are people out there that know what it is, and they will tell it. I think it has much more to do with Wade's failure to meet expectations, certainly on the grand scale revealed by his lawsuit, and his desire to find an external cause for his failures, than anything Michael ever did to him. That strange anger at Michael for having predicted great things for him, and the odd projection of himself as a superstar of Michael's caliber hints that the real cause of his resentment is being confronted with the cold reality that he will never equal his mentor. Normal people could adjust to that just fine, knowing that very few people achieve that level of stardom, and that there's no shame in not doing so. I have a feeling that didn't work for Wade, though, and the only way he can exorcise his feelings of failure is to destroy the thing he couldn't become.
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Very good observations. I agree.


It's obvious that it's about the money in first place. But you have to be able to rationalize it to yourself somehow to turn on your lifelong friend like Wade does. So I feel it's a combination of things. Money first, but also the things you said.
 
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I do think Robson is also motivated by that Michael isn't here anymore and he can't profit from him and his influence (just being the friend of the most famous person in the world) anymore.
He is most likely just a person with psychological issues... however he doesn't care sh** about what he does with this to Michaels children.
To me that clearly makes him sh** in person!
Whatever Michael maybe had felt for him, however this guy might has helped with being a witness in the trial that time... this guy was never a true friend! He just enjoyed the positive effects of pretending to be one! He's such a loser... and he'll get it all back... latest when he'll meet our creator! Someone should tell him really... but well... maybe he deserves it no better! *shrugs*
 
respect77;3863601 said:
Very good observations. I agree.


It's obvious that it's about the money in first place. But you have to be able to rationalize it to yourself somehow to turn on your lifelong friend like Wade does. So I feel it's a combination of things. Money first, but also the things you said.
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And one more thing to this: I think these people always reveal their true motives along with the lies they tell. From the Chandler book:

"And it wasn't just the sex part. Everyone made a big deal about the sex - the press, the cops, the DA. That was important, sure, but it wasn't the main thing for me. It was what Michael did to him to get to that point. He took over his mind and isolated him from his family and friends and everyone he cared for. He made him his own little slave. On the outside it looked like he was showing Jordie the time of his life, but on the inside he was robbing him of his individuality, his soul. That was the real crime, and that's what I wanted Michael to pay for."
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“Even if there was no sex, Jordie's personality had been seriously altered. As he morphed day by day into a pint-sized clone of Michael, he withdrew further and further from his family and friends.”
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This reveals how Evan probably rationalized to himself why the extortion he was doing was not wrong "even if there was no sex"(!). And if your son was truly molested would you play that down like he does in the first quote? Like it's not even the main issue. Of course, it's not the main issue for him because he knows it's not true. In their mind they have to make Michael "guilty" of something even if they know he was not guilty of child molestation. And with remarks like this they reveal their way of rationalizing it: that Michael "robbed Jordie of his individuality" (because Jordan started to dress and speak the way like MJ did), that Jordan "withdrew further and further from his family and friends" (ie. started to look up to Michael more than to Evan...).

"That was the real crime, and that's what I wanted Michael to pay for."


And I see the same thing in Wade. That he gives us his way of rationalizing what he does. "Michael told me I would be this big super-, hyper- megastar and I failed to do it and this failure gave me a nervous breakdown and Michael needs to pay for making me believe I could achieve things which I couldn't." But of course you cannot sue someone on failed prophecies. Nor you can sue someone because your son starts to look up to him more than to you. So you are looking for a way that you can sue him. Enter child molestation allegations...
 
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Trivia: Wade Robson's (former) talent agency also manages Jamie King; King took the spot in ONE that Wade had sought. http://www.msaagency.com/

Listen: Over 8.5 minutes of Wade Robson celebrating Michael Jackson and Thriller 25 in a podcast from June 23, 2008. http://youtu.be/JF2fSZlwTu4

 
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Respect77, you are hitting the nail on the head. It's as if child molestation isn't even a part of why Wade and Evan have gone after Michael Jackson.

Evan was such a deadbeat Daddy, that he was inching closer and closer to the $100,000 mark and this was within five year's. Evan just made it seem he would be the hero to Jordy Chandler and not Michael Jackson. Look at all the attention paid to the gifts Michael Jackson bestowed upon June Wong Chandler and Jordy, the trips, even to Monaco. Evan couldn't even keep up with his child support payments, how could he afford expensive gifts to his ex wife and their child together. Michael Jackson felt sorry for this child, Jordy Chandler. Michael Jackson understood how it felt to feel neglected by one's parent. Evan Chandler wanted to destroy this loyalty between Jordy and Michael and pervert it, which shows you who the real pervert is, Evan Chandler and his nasty brother, Ray Chandler, the true family loyalty. Suddenly those two clowns found a way to work together and make money off being pervert's, because it is all about perverting truth and honesty!
 
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Remember in one of his last interviews where he mentioned MJ he spoke about how MJ told him not to take professional dance classes and he said he regretted it now or something like that?

I think he blamed MJ for why his skills are kind of limited in dance. We can see he'd started possibly blaming MJ for his lack of big time (being an "international superstar" is what Wade blames MJ for not achieving) success.
 
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AliCat said:
Look at all the attention paid to the gifts Michael Jackson bestowed upon June Wong Chandler and Jordy, the trips, even to Monaco.
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Yep, he was competitive with Michael. In the article he wrote for his website, Ray makes quite a big deal about that laptop computer that Michael gifted to Jordan. The story was told by Michael Freeman, who was June's lawyer in 1993. He told Mary Fischer for her GQ article how Evan promised a laptop to Jordan but never delivered. But when Michael came into their life he bought the laptop for Jordan. Ray is very defensive about that story in his article. It really comes across that every time Michael proved to be a better "father" to Jordan than Evan, Evan was very competitive about that. I guess it made him realize what a bad father he was and that's why he was so offended by Michael's presence in their family. He was not offended by Dave Schwartz, because Schwartz was not a great dad himself (as he admitted on that taped phone convo), so he was not a threat. But Michael was.

Evan couldn't even keep up with his child support payments, how could he afford expensive gifts to his ex wife and their child together.
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I don't think Evan could not afford paying child support. He was a Beverly Hills dentist with stars such as Carrie Fisher as his patients. He just didn't want to.
 
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guys, dont forget to download and save all the videos and docs....!!!! The vids are going to be deleted/blocked very soon...
 
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R u ?
 
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For anyone wondering, the @TomMesereau account making rounds on Twitter is an imposter. Mesereau's office has confirmed to me that he does not use Twitter.
 
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TSCM said:
For anyone wondering, the @TomMesereau account making rounds on Twitter is an imposter. Mesereau's office has confirmed to me that he does not use Twitter.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
Yep, he was competitive with Michael. In the article he wrote for his website, Ray makes quite a big deal about that laptop computer that Michael gifted to Jordan. The story was told by Michael Freeman, who was June's lawyer in 1993. He told Mary Fischer for her GQ article how Evan promised a laptop to Jordan but never delivered. But when Michael came into their life he bought the laptop for Jordan. Ray is very defensive about that story in his article. It really comes across that every time Michael proved to be a better "father" to Jordan than Evan, Evan was very competitive about that. I guess it made him realize what a bad father he was and that's why he was so offended by Michael's presence in their family. He was not offended by Dave Schwartz, because Schwartz was not a great dad himself (as he admitted on that taped phone convo), so he was not a threat. But Michael was.



I don't think Evan could not afford paying child support. He was a Beverly Hills dentist with stars such as Carrie Fisher as his patients. He just didn't want to.
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^ Agree! But, I wanna know how the hell/why the hell being that Evan was such a shit father did Jordan side with him eventually?! And No I don't by the Sodium Amytal story! That was just a back up to make sure Jordan couldn't testify at all IMO! These bastards thought of everything! Was Jordan that desperate for his real dad that he threw MJ under the bus because he finally got his dad in his mind to "care" about him and give him attention?! After all Jordan wanted to work on movies just like his daddy! Which I'm sure was a bribe to get him on his side!
 
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bluetopez said:
^ Agree! But, I wanna know how the hell/why the hell being that Evan was such a shit father did Jordan side with him eventually?! And No I don't by the Sodium Amytal story! That was just a back up to make sure Jordan couldn't testify at all IMO! These bastards thought of everything! Was Jordan that desperate for his real dad that he threw MJ under the bus because he finally got his dad in his mind to "care" about him and give him attention?! After all Jordan wanted to work on movies just like his daddy! Which I'm sure was a bribe to get him on his side!
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