[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Have you read this, even off topc, but ...

'Forgiveness? No': Twin brothers sexually abused by their mother and her friends hope their story helps others deal with childhood trauma


  • The identical twins appeared on ITV's This Morning to tell their story
  • Alex and Marcus were abused by their mother and her friends as children
  • When Alex lost his memory aged 18, Marcus kept their history a secret
  • Their mother's death caused Alex to question - and discover - his past
  • Now married with children, the twins have written a book about their lives
  • Spoke about their feelings towards their mother and why they went public

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...xually-abused-mother-Jill-Sussex-sixties.html

Just stop it. This story is radically different from Wade Robson's. There were no "repressed memories" or anything here. Here's some quotes from article:

Alex and Marcus Lewis, 49, were assured and confident as they spoke on ITV's This Morning spoke about their horrific childhood, and Marcus' impossible decision to hide the past from his brother after Alex lost his memory in a motorbike accident when he was 18.

Alex spoke of how the accident at 18 left him with no memory of his life so far, and how he had to relearn basic functions, even how to walk. Alex's only remaining memory upon regaining consciousness was of his twin.

He [Marcus] said there wasn't a 'light bulb moment' when he decided he would conceal the abuse, but rather he gradually came to the realisation that he could spare his brother some of the pain he had gone through.

With no memory of the abuse, Alex continued to make a good recovery, and to build a close both with his mother.

It was only when their mother died of cancer that Alex's suspicious were first raised. 'I was grieving. Everybody was upset. but Marcus didn't seem particularly upset. That bothered me a lot. I said "something's not right"'.Marcus dismissed his bothers questioning, admitting: 'I was in this dilemma. If I told him the truth I would then give him this trauma.'

However, in packing up their mother's house the brothers came across more evidence that their childhood was not the idyllic picture Alex believed, and eventually the truth came out.



I don't know what your agenda is, why you keep posting things to make Michael look "suspicious", all I know is that I personally find it very annoying.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't know what your agenda is, why you keep posting things to make Michael look "suspicious", all I know is that I personally find it very annoying.

I knew I wasn't imagining things thinking he/she was making innuendos on Michael's friendships with the children.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LOL the people from that facebook page bought Facebook likes. They had like 200 and now that many? They paid for them.

Report them for spam though, as that's what they're doing. Just don't engage with them. The thing with these sites is once they get bored they move on, and I'm not exactly seeing much of a "community" developing around Wade. They have way too many other sites they spread themselves too thinly on to keep up the focus that much.


They never bought them, they are actually bribing people with a raffle to win a PS3 :laugh:

http://apps.facebook.com/my-contests/waderobsonsupporters


EDIT: :eek:hno:Just realized someone has already mentioned this.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They never bought them, they are actually bribing people with a raffle to win a PS3 :laugh:

http://apps.facebook.com/my-contests/waderobsonsupporters


EDIT: :eek:hno:Just realized someone has already mentioned this.
They also paid for likes, the other day they had 200, now they have 4000, with most of the new members being from Dhaka, which is where most people with fake accounts people use for "likes" are from.

Very tragic.
 
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MJLovesyoumore;3862670 said:
Wade's cousin Jonathan comments once again:


Jonathan Keller posted to the Facebook page - Supporters of Wade Robson:


23 hours ago · ..

"Finally some more information is coming out -

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...ccuser-claims-dad-destroyed-by-alleged-abuse/

What the article doesn't say is that my uncle was so affected because he was abused as a child himself."

What the article doesn't say? It's from your cousin's claim of abuse. Why didn't Wade mention his father had been abused as a child too, is the question he should ask, but seems too stupid to. Why would he be relieved to hear this info come out though, it's one of the plotholes to their story? Do they just not realize that?

And how could he have been so affected by it in 2002 if Wade was a grown man and hadn't "known" he'd been abused? Wouldn't he have been more affected in 1993? These people are very stupid. But it's useful info, can you screencap it? Because showing a history of mental illness and that his dad claimed abuse is important I think.

And if the cousin can still support the page after the contests and fake buys for Likes... that says enough about what kind of a messed up family this is. Everything needs to be documented.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The guy who wrote that story joined that group
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ And According to Jen Heger on the Justice4MJ FB page she says that Dylan Howard also likes Justice4MJ FB page too!

That they both have to report both sides and do it fairly and that we (the fans) shouldn't read much into it!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You know what i say let them persuade ppl with video games cuz the judge certainly wont like that kind of beahviour anyway
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"Support an abuse victim, win a Playstation!" REALLY?

That is just so...so very.... :doh:
 
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They also paid for likes, the other day they had 200, now they have 4000, with most of the new members being from Dhaka, which is where most people with fake accounts people use for "likes" are from.

Very tragic.

Tragic indeed. I'm sure they hoped their FB page would go viral and they'd have millions of followers but now they have to bribe people to like them, and even then they only manage to get 4000 likes in two months. I doubt they're actually going to give away a PS3, that's just to lure people and get them to comment on their page.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

the only logical reason for this guy to have such hate for Michael is if he believes WR's story to be true.

I don't think that's the only logical reason for this hate. There are a handful of haters out there who spend virtually ALL their time with trashing and slandering Michael on websites, blogs, in comment sections of articles, on YoutTube etc. It's like they do not have anything else to do all day. And they are doing this for long, long years. It's obviously very personal for them, but I do not think it's because they believe MJ to be guilty. I mean, if you truly believe that you do not need underhanded tactics like this or when they tried to steal Charles Thomson's identity, or when they make up lies about Michael of which they full know they made them up. If you truly believe MJ was a child molester, why do you send porn to his daughter over the Internet? You are doing what you accuse Michael of... I don't want to arm-chair psychoanalyze them and I cannot know what's behind this immense hatred they feel towards Michael, but these are definitely sick people and there is definitely something in their lives that makes them react to Michael in such extreme ways.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You guy's have to read the last post by the guy who made the support for Wade page, I think he is definitely loosing it:

"At this point forward if you are not here to support Wade Robson and here to spout off about any topic regarding Michael Jackson's innocence or to make any nasty remarkS it will be viewed as harassment and will be reported. Again any comment from this point forward THAT IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF WADE ROBSON 07/05/13 11pm est. WILL BE CONSIDERED HARASSMENT. IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THIS RULE YOU ARE WILLFULLY ADMITING YOU ARE COMMITING HARASSMENT AND WILL BE FORWARDED TO PROPER AUTHORITIES!"

:rofl::wtf2::lol::laugh:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You guy's have to read the last post by the guy who made the support for Wade page, I think he is definitely loosing it:

"At this point forward if you are not here to support Wade Robson and here to spout off about any topic regarding Michael Jackson's innocence or to make any nasty remarkS it will be viewed as harassment and will be reported. Again any comment from this point forward THAT IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF WADE ROBSON 07/05/13 11pm est. WILL BE CONSIDERED HARASSMENT. IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THIS RULE YOU ARE WILLFULLY ADMITING YOU ARE COMMITING HARASSMENT AND WILL BE FORWARDED TO PROPER AUTHORITIES!"

:rofl::wtf2:" smilieid="214" class="inlineimg" />:lol::laugh:

So not agreeing with you is harassment? LOL.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So Wade, his lawyers and family embrace sloppy, false tabloid reports about fake FBI files and desperate hater FB sites which try to boost their popularity by promising to give away games and cameras in a contest among those who like the page and which buy fake likes for money...

They are desperate and very stupid.

"Finally some more information is coming out - "

Finally? They are so hungry for media attention, aren't they? It must be a big disappointment for them that it did not blew up bigger. His lawyers cannot wait for something to happen to give them the excuse to comment in the media. Like when Joe made that comment and WR's lawyer immediately jumped on it and used the opportunity to promote themselves. Or when this fake FBI report was published and one of his lawyers was all on that too. They said they only made public comments to defend Wade's reputation, but why did they then need to comment the fake FBI files?

Really, to try to associate the death of his father with Michael only makes it seem like they try to throw everything but the kitchen sink at him, so I don't know why it's so important for them that this information is out. But then, I do not understand the significance of Michael's prophecy about Wade becoming bigger than Steven Spielberg either (and it seems to be a central element of their story since they claim that's how Wade relaized he was abused), so maybe I just don't get it. LOL.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What the article doesn't say? It's from your cousin's claim of abuse. Why didn't Wade mention his father had been abused as a child too, is the question he should ask, but seems too stupid to. Why would he be relieved to hear this info come out though, it's one of the plotholes to their story? Do they just not realize that?

And how could he have been so affected by it in 2002 if Wade was a grown man and hadn't "known" he'd been abused? Wouldn't he have been more affected in 1993? These people are very stupid. But it's useful info, can you screencap it? Because showing a history of mental illness and that his dad claimed abuse is important I think.

And if the cousin can still support the page after the contests and fake buys for Likes... that says enough about what kind of a messed up family this is. Everything needs to be documented.

I believe they don't mention the father claim of abuse because it would make them look very bad. I mean Joy should have known his dad was molested as a kid and was suffering from that. It also means WR knew what were the consequences of sexual abuse.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ If they go on with this Joy will look very bad no matter what. They don't realize it yet, but they cannot get around that problem if they claim what they claim and if it goes to court.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeah, I've been seeing it reported here in the UK as fact by every paper, it's insane. The letters "FBI" carries so much legitimacy, so the idea it really is the FBI leaking these documents and that they prove these things is really circulating viciously. Just bewildering. I'm leaving comments everywhere I can or tweeting people who have posted this article to correct them, but I feel like we're fire fighters trying to fight off a forest fire and the winds are against us.

And if Wade's people do get their hands on these docs, and I'm sure Baressi will be eager to get on their side, then they're going to have to deal with the issue of Joy once again.


Has Wade's mother already commented on her son's accusations? It must be hard on her surely to decide whether to side with her son in what is very obviously a lie.
 
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Has Wade's mother already commented on her son's accusations? It must be hard on her surely to decide whether to side with her son in what is very obviously a lie.

She has a FB page and people expressed their support and she thanked them. That's all the public reaction from her I know of.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I believe they don't mention the father claim of abuse because it would make them look very bad. I mean Joy should have known his dad was molested as a kid and was suffering from that. It also means WR knew what were the consequences of sexual abuse.

Another great point.

Did people screencap the comment? All of this will be important if it goes to trial.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The owner of WR FB page is sooooo pissed with me because I found his twitter account and tweeted to all MJFam !Ohhh my...it was so fun!He tweeted this to me:

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I'm shaking!What a LOSER!He's slandering MJ without ANY PROOF!I made him take his own medicine!

Bring his attorney and everything!I WONT STOP!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hope we can all represent MJ with some class and dignity as we defend him, so we will be taken serious and credible. This is serious not a game. Well maybe to some its a game I can't speak for all.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He can't do a thing to anyone. Tweet him all you want
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hope we can all represent MJ with some class and dignity as we defend him, so we will be taken serious and credible. This is serious not a game. Well maybe to some its a game I can't speak for all.


MJ haters have no class, decency and dignity.
I just post links to refute the stupid accusations that WR suppoters are claiming against Michael on internet. They have no way to refute then they offend us and make threats.I dont give a damn!
MJFam asked us to share links where people are bashing Michael through lies ... and that's what I'm doing.
 
Moonwalker.Fan;3862652 said:
Have you read this, even off topc, but ...

'Forgiveness? No': Twin brothers sexually abused by their mother and her friends hope their story helps others deal with childhood trauma


  • The identical twins appeared on ITV's This Morning to tell their story
  • Alex and Marcus were abused by their mother and her friends as children
  • When Alex lost his memory aged 18, Marcus kept their history a secret
  • Their mother's death caused Alex to question - and discover - his past
  • Now married with children, the twins have written a book about their lives
  • Spoke about their feelings towards their mother and why they went public

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...xually-abused-mother-Jill-Sussex-sixties.html


'From around the age of ten, you start to know that it's not acceptable, but you are too frightened to say anything.


Behind a concealed door in a wardrobe they found photographs, letters, documents, bric-a-brac, a collection of sex toys and - disturbingly - a naked picture of the twins


Aged 12, he and Alex had been recruited to serve drinks and canapes to guests at a party and Marcus remembered coming face to face with one of his abusers.

'I could see a man in the drawing room who had done unbelievable things to me. And I had to serve him a drink,' he recalls in the book. 'I was so frightened I peed myself in the hall, right in front of everyone, frozen on the spot aged 12.

They were scared of the abusers and didn´t praise them.
Their mother took them to other abusers, they didn´t volunteer to go there.
They didn´t have a choice.

WR had a choice if something bad happened between him and Michael WR didn´t have to go back to Neverland again.
He didn´t have to sleep in Michael´s bedroom.
Or is WR saying his mother forced him to go to Neverland and sleep in Michael´s bedroom?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

no matter how you look at this the Robsons looks bad and more crazy than Arvizos (not sure about the spelling)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A question kind off topic guys how can we know a Twitter account is real or false? Supposedly Tom Mesereau opened one recently but some fans are saying it's false.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Most celebrities have a blue tick by their name on their Twitter page but some celebrities haven't got their page verified so it is hard to tell who is real and who is fake.
 
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