[Discussion] Michael Jackson Slandered By The Mirror / New assult Pg 38

[elusive moonwalker]

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Thanks bonnie

 

[jaydom7]

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so the documents of course don't match with the headline and are people stupid? if the FBI had evidence of this after investigating MJ for 15 years don't you think they would've done something?

 

[HIStory]

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weitzman was involved in 93 though. maybe they are of the mentality of if we say something it will make it bigger and it will be forgotten about soon enough. aslong as one etc do well they arent bothered and think the last twenty years made no difference

A rebuttal could not make it bigger because it's already big. And about Weitzman. I did not want to say much about it so far, but in Ray Chandler's book it's revealed how chummy he was with one of the Chandler lawyers, Richard Hirsch. Feldman, Hirsch, Lauren Weis and Weitzman are actually described as an "old boys" club in the book. Hirsch talks about how he and Weitzman had a law firm together. Hirsch calls him a old good friend. And they talk about how it will make the negotiations with the Jackson camp easier. Make of it what you want...

 

[Soundmind]

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the FBI were very willing to get involved , they were there searching for any evidence to help Sneddon . Child pornography is a federal crime , if like the article claims he had such material or watched such material he would have been charged in a heartbeat . But people don't know this. Actually many people around the world believe he got off because the authorities were on his side, they do believe there were mountains of evidence against him but he was Michael Jackson after all and bought the legal system

 

[marebear]

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If people think that the FBI had this kind of evidence and never showed it at the trial where it mattered the most than they need to get their heads checked. Michael was actually put on trial for child molestation if they remember. That was the time for anything and anyone to come out. The FBI, the police and the media where not on Michael's side at all. Maybe these people should complain to the FBI and see what they tell them. I really doubt the Dimond a tabloid writer is able to see classified FBI files when the prosecutor of the case did not? Get real. Maybe the estate is playing low key because they know they have the facts on their side when they go to court. I know it's important to say something publically but maybe their strategy is different than how we would deal with it. I am just guessing here.

 

[analogue]

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so the documents of course don't match with the headline and are people stupid? if the FBI had evidence of this after investigating MJ for 15 years don't you think they would've done something?

Like i said before i'm waiting for the B.S answer of ''The FBI let Michael get away with it because he's a celebrity'' or ''Michael bribed the FBI''

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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^Maybe mj tried out his infamous role plays and brainwashing techniques on the fbi.

go and see the real MJ in ONE, like being a great dancer and singer are evidence of his innocence !! None of the articles calling him pedo and all sorts of things are disputing that M.Branca

Such a bizarre statement, i'm beginning to wonder if the execs weren't contacted directly and it's just this online team responding. Like with that last mjonline statement made some months ago with no backup that thriller has sold 100m copies when previous estimates a few yrs ago had been 60odd million together with some patronising drivel about us being loyal fans. They need a shake up at that mjonline team, they come across as amateurs talking to a one direction fanbase.

Maybe the estate is playing low key because they know they have the facts on their side when they go to court. I know it's important to say something publically but maybe their strategy is different than how we would deal with it. I am just guessing here.

I take your point marebear, but wade's court date if he gets one is waay in the future. You've got to win in the court of public opinion as well. A little local company if it gets bad publicity in the local paper issues a statement giving its side of the story, but mj the billion$ brand, nothing. He's dead, so the least someone cd do, estate or family, is to step up and offer the media an official statement on his behalf denouncing the claims. If there's silence, then people will assume that there's a sinister reason for that.

 

[HIStory]

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And do not expect a rebuttal from the FBI. They hated MJ almost as much as Sneddon. The other day I saw an interview with a retired FBI agent who worked on the MJ case for a while in 2004 but then retired before the trial because of cancer. And he was spouting complete Sneddon propaganda in that interview. He said there were many, many more victims, but his reasoning why we have never seen those many victims was not that they are there hidden in secret FBI files somewhere. No. He said they could not come foreward and testify at the trial because of the statue of limitations! Right there of course you know that it's BS. Even if they had been prevented from bringing charges against MJ because of the statue of limitations, but the statue of limitations doesn't stop anyone from testifying at a trial. How could Jason Francia or Jordan's mother testify then? Hello, there was a "prior bad acts" ruling in this case! So that shows right there that the FBI do not have any love lost for MJ either and they are probably happy that these false allegations are out there and won't refute anything.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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All the fbi files were released. the story is redundant. as always ppl make claims about mj and they dont have to show any facts to support their claim and it suddenly becomes gospel.the victim is then expected to show evidence to show they are innocent against clains that had no evidence to start with!! they turn it around and make the victim defend themselfs when its them that has the burden on them cause they are the ones making claims.

theres always an excuse as to why there were no charges or no evidence. they are tring to re write history inregards to pay offs as they are to child porn

 

[analogue]

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It's amazing how so much hatred can be placed on one person. The hate that some people have for Michael is really disturbing and bizarre

 

[Soundmind]

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Branca has the resources to act why he does not. That's the bottomline

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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they come across as amateurs talking to a one direction fanbase.
------------- lol thanks i needed that



well i guess thats a new one froom sneddons we know they are out there we just cant find them b.s

And do not expect a rebuttal from the FBI. They hated MJ almost as much as Sneddon. The other day I saw an interview with a retired FBI agent who worked on the MJ case for a while in 2004 but then retired before the trial because of cancer. And he was spouting complete Sneddon propaganda in that interview. He said there were many, many more victims, but his reasoning why we have never seen those many victims was not that they are there hidden in secret FBI files somewhere. No. He said they could not come foreward and testify at the trial because of the statue of limitations! Right there of course you know that it's BS. Even if they had been prevented from bringing charges against MJ because of the statue of limitations, but the statue of limitations doesn't stop anyone from testifying at a trial. How could Jason Francia or Jordan's mother testify then? Hello, there was a "prior bad acts" ruling in this case! So that shows right there that the FBI do not have any love lost for MJ either and they are probably happy that these false allegations are out there and won't refute anything.

 

[marebear]

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I understand what you are all saying. It's upsetting and makes me sad.

 

[analogue]

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What sickens me is that while people are trying to make MJ look guilty there are actual real child molesters out there

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Probably these journos

 

[marc_vivien]

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People are saying that it's everywhere. But, i don't see it, only in tabloids.

 

[HIStory]

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Actually the documents they posted not only do not support, but refute what the Mirror claims. The claim is that Pellicano gathered all this incriminating evidence against Michael that the FBI found in his possession in 2002. But in that document which records a conversation between Pellicano and Mitteager in December, 1993 Pellicano tells Mitteager that "There is no other boy. They are looking and looking, digging and digging but there is no one." (other than Jordan)

This was on December 10, 1993. Fields was fired by Michael on December 3, 1993 and Pellicano followed soon (he was Fields' man and he left because Fields was fired and because things headed towards a settlement which he did not support, not because he found incriminating things on Michael). So the conversation with Mitteager in which Pellicano says there is no other boy takes place shortly after or around the time when Pellicano left his employment with Michael.

Does anyone really think that a guy like Pellicano, who lived of blackmailing celebrities and selling tabloid stories about them would not have sold any incriminating info on Michael if he had them?

Moreover, there is another taped conversation between Mitteager and Pellicano on those tapes. Conveniently the Mirror does not publish that, of course, but we know of its existence because Barresi sold it to Aphrodite Jones a few years ago. Of course, no sensational stories were run about that in the media. It was only featured on Aphrodite's website. That was taped in September, 1994. In that Pellicano assures Mitteager that he does not believe that MJ was a pedo. He says he let his kids play with him and it would not have be the case if he thought he was a pedo. He also talks about how he asked Jordan about whether MJ molested him, how he tried to trick him into admitting something but Jordan was adamant that nothing ever happened. This was almost a year after Pellicano stopped working for Michael!

He also was a main source for Mary Fischer's Was MJ Framed? article! From Ray Chandlers book I also have the impression that he hated Evan's guts and he was convinced he was an extortionist. And the Chandlers hated him more than Michael, because he exposed them.

So how realistic is it to think that Pellicano had huge piles of evidence about MJ molesting and paying off boys? Think about it!

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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People are saying that it's everywhere. But, i don't see it, only in tabloids.

The tabs are the biggest selling newspapers. The daily mail website is the most popular english language website in the world. The subject is on every discussion board on the net.

He also talks about how he asked Jordan about whether MJ molested him, how he tried to trick him into admitting something but Jordan was adamant that nothing ever happened.

Which is why mj's team were so confident in not settling with evan's extortion attempt in july 93. It's nuts, if mj was paying off all these boys, why didn't he pay off jordie when evan revealed himself to be a psycho. Pellicano also questioned wade and brett thoroughly before they went before the cameras in 93 to proclaim mj's innocence. Wade's lawyer only talks of mj prepping wade for the grand jury, but pellicano wd have provided a much more challenging x examination.

 

[Ankita]

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I am done with this world

 

[xrisx]

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They just reported this on Dutch television and sadly they were saying they have doubts about him now because it claims these are fbi files. Seriously, it seems thats all people have to hear now. They dont really believe Wade but this they kind of believe. They even implied there might have been a whole criminal child sex ring involved with Michael "if this report is true".
They didn't show the reply of the Estate either.

I am beyond sad and angry about this. I cannot believe I live in a world were lies like this can easily be told (while the truth is openly available) and believed because nobody thinks/ researches for themselves.
No one is openly reporting the truth about these files. Its sickening.
No one is standing up for Michael anymore, its like 2005 all over again.
I don't think this is going to blow over soon (it seems to be spreading in fact) and as long as the truth isn't being reported this could stain Michaels legacy.

The Estate will realise this when it will affect their income. Mind you they didn't report about the new cirque show here at all. Just these lies...

 

[Ankita]

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The tabs are the biggest selling newspapers. The daily mail website is the most popular english language website in the world. The subject is on every discussion board on the net.

My uncle called me from another city and asked if I had read the Times Of India, which is India's largest selling daily. I said "no, I have stopped reading/hearing any media reports on any matter since the past 4 years...they are liars and they suck." I knew instantly there was some BS about Mike or he wouldn't have called to ask. all he said was, "good. Just some BS about MJ. Good you don't bother about such crap. Just keep his true legacy alive. " But the truth is...this ugliness still hurts. these bastards won't even get a f*cking place in Hell!

 

[Soundmind]

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They just reported this on Dutch television and sadly they were saying they have doubts about him now because it claims these are fbi files. Seriously, it seems thats all people have to hear now. They dont really believe Wade but this they kind of believe. They even implied there might have been a whole criminal child sex ring involved with Michael "if this report is true".
They didn't show the reply of the Estate either.

why would they ? Imagine the reporters telling their audience forget about the 24 boys he molested according to the FBI files ( the estate did not refute that) just go watch how talented of a singer and dancer he was. That was the estate response.

 

[Ankita]

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And I'm begging the Estate to just simply SUE THESE BASTARDS and put AN END to this f*cking BS that killed Mike and left us all half dead and this world without music and its future children without there most loving, caring, sincere benefactor and cheerleader!!!!!

 

[max000]

Re: FANS of MJ. EMIAL TOM JOYNER about MJ.

Tom Joyner is an idiot. He believed MJ to be guilty of the '93 and '05 allegations. In 2005 he abruptly changed his mind, after ET played an old '93 interview w/ katherine Jackson defending her son.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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why would they ? Imagine the reporters telling their audience forget about the 24 boys he molested according to the FBI files ( the estate did not refute that) just go watch how talented of a singer and dancer he was. That was the estate response.

Lol. I know. The mj estate in a statement to these fbi allegations says dont' believe everything you read and remember to check out the new cirque show in vegas'. I think it's best if we forget that statement ever happened. Oxman's claim in the people article that he doesn't remember mj mentioning he had paid off dozens of boys is beginning to look like a hard hitting counterattack.

 

[terrell]

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It's amazing how so much hatred can be placed on one person. The hate that some people have for Michael is really disturbing and bizarre

Do not get it twisted. MJ has alot of love. These people who hate on him have too much time on their hands. Believe me, when you hear about other celebs on sites, they get the same treatment from haters. You have to rememeber, everyone who loves MJ is not on this site and they do not stay on the computer and they do not post anything. The proof on how much people love MJ is in his cd sales, his show in vegas sold out, thelove he received AFTER death, the sold out concert in 2009, his merchandise being sold out (I saw a boy with MJ shoes on not long ago). THAT IS THE PROOF. It is said that haters get attention. We know bad news spread better than good news.

 

[terrell]

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They just reported this on Dutch television and sadly they were saying they have doubts about him now because it claims these are fbi files. Seriously, it seems thats all people have to hear now. They dont really believe Wade but this they kind of believe. They even implied there might have been a whole criminal child sex ring involved with Michael "if this report is true".
They didn't show the reply of the Estate either.

I am beyond sad and angry about this. I cannot believe I live in a world were lies like this can easily be told (while the truth is openly available) and believed because nobody thinks/ researches for themselves.
No one is openly reporting the truth about these files. Its sickening.
No one is standing up for Michael anymore, its like 2005 all over again.
I don't think this is going to blow over soon (it seems to be spreading in fact) and as long as the truth isn't being reported this could stain Michaels legacy.

The Estate will realise this when it will affect their income. Mind you they didn't report about the new cirque show here at all. Just these lies...

Then you need to contact those statation and tell them the story.

 

[jaydom7]

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Then you need to contact those statation and tell them the story.

Exactly and advise them those are not FBI files, just files from a dead tabloid reporter. MJ's FBI file was released in 2009 after he died.

 

[terrell]

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They didn't report much the WR claims but now this f*ckery FBI files are everywhere! I don't get it, how is this getting more coverage than the other claims?

I hate feeling useless, people in general don't give a f*ck if you tell them those files aren't in fact the real ones. If the Estate isn't doing anything so far and people take us as crazy idiots, what more could we do! :boohoo:

Well, In the United States, it is no where other than the Tom JOyner website.

 

[marebear]

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I don't know about other celebrities but it feels like Michael gets hated on the most. It can feel so overwhelming at times.