Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[Ape]

Ok I'll post. Then you can continue. I think desperate would be more like him getting together with just anyone, not caring who it is as long as there's someone on his arms. Not waiting for God to show him who but grabbing the first woman who came along so that he wouldn't have to be alone, or thinking every woman who came into his life was The One. Falling for any woman. That would be desperate in my eyes. Waiting on God would take patience & perseverance to wait out the times alone when all you want is to share your life with someone & not spend another night alone. Might have moments of desperation but not act on them. So it would take strength & faith that in the end, he'd have that real, true, God blessed love.

 

[Lisha]

EDIT: I think I will take a moment to give you guys an update on what's goin' on at my homefront. My husband very dutifully attended his physical therapy sessions each week until he could safely switch over from a walker to a cane. He also has been conscientious about eating correctly and he has lost a good bit of weight which was important for him to do. He has been released by his doctor to return to work...so Friday was his first day back at his job and he said it went pretty well.

His employers are being considerate of his situation and having him for his first month back only coming into the office 3 days a week, and the other two days he will be working remotely from home on his computer. He is a Computer/I.T. Project Manager so most of what he does is on the phone or on the computer anyway. So this seems to be a good starting back pace for him. He still has numbness on the right side of his face which causes him some problems, and he still has some memory difficulties...but he is doing so much better. The biggest concern now is that he doesn't have a bad fall, for he is on heavy duty blood thinners.

I want to take this time to thank all of you who have offered up prayers...I so, so appreciate it! This thread has been for me such a helpful diversion on so many levels over the past three years. Different struggles have come and gone but this thread remains to be here for me. I am grateful for it and all of you who make it what it is.

:group:

I think desperate would be more like him getting together with just anyone, not caring who it is as long as there's someone on his arms. Not waiting for God to show him who but grabbing the first woman who came along so that he wouldn't have to be alone, or thinking every woman who came into his life was The One. Falling for any woman. That would be desperate in my eyes. Waiting on God would take patience & perseverance to wait out the times alone when all you want is to share your life with someone & not spend another night alone. Might have moments of desperation but not act on them. So it would take strength & faith that in the end, he'd have that real, true, God blessed love.

Boy, that's just excellent, Ape! I agree totally. Great examples.

I'll come back and edit in some more thoughts later; I just wanted to let you know how impressed I was with your thoughts shared here!

 

[tha]

My baby boy is 5 years old, Shila ! My miracle, my life, my everything !

I agree in some points with you, Shila and Ape ! I would like to express myself better, but I think I will get it just over the time .. !
I never understood Michael very well and this is one of the things that I most love in him ! And always that I try to understand him, I get more confused !

And if his "prayers" was answered ? Would be his life complete ?

I don't know ... Michael will be always a mystery for me and I like it a lot ! ¬¬

Regarding the songs ... some of them I think Michael talk about himself and in some others, I think is just ... "imagination" and some others, I think he is talking about me !

 

[DWsoul]

sorry it took me so long to come back here! I have been sooooo unbelievably busy! And downright emotional, to be sure. K, so I have issues. *hysterical laughing*

So, imho, There are a few sides to the story. Perhaps "she" was just a dream girl. Or perhaps she was real. Or...BOTH? What if she is someone he envisioned his entire life, and it turns out she's a real person, but maybe the two of them physically together never materialized? What if...she's still waiting for him???????

things that make you go hmmmmm.... Surely this theory has been discussed and exhausted, considering, omg there's 775 pages of discussion!!

 

[DWsoul]

But, it really makes me happy that people continue to talk about him positively, even through all the negativity out there. It's amazing that this particular topic is STILL discussed after all this time! Seems to me there's more cohesion here than just a mystery lady. There's...family...friendship...an amazing, mysterious love story always unfolding. LOVE is the glue that holds this thread together. Congratulations to everybody!

Idk how well I'll get to know people here, or how much I'll be here. My work keeps me pretty busy and I hope I survive day to day. Yikes!

 

[Lisha]

But, it really makes me happy that people continue to talk about him positively, even through all the negativity out there. It's amazing that this particular topic is STILL discussed after all this time! Seems to me there's more cohesion here than just a mystery lady. There's...family...friendship...an amazing, mysterious love story always unfolding. LOVE is the glue that holds this thread together. Congratulations to everybody!

Idk how well I'll get to know people here, or how much I'll be here. My work keeps me pretty busy and I hope I survive day to day. Yikes!

Sounds like you, DWsoul, are trying to take things one day at a time, too. What type of work do you do? Is it something you enjoy or is it more stessful than enjoyable?

You're right; there is too much negativity out there. It is so sad and so wearying. Everyone here in the LITD thread loves MJ so much and it is therefore easy to speak of him in a positive way...unless we are saying something in a teasing way about him...but mostly it is all respect and admiration/appreciation.

We've often worried that we have been at times crossing the line being all "up in his business" but we also, like Ashtanga has recently posted about, have gotten a bit of an impression that MJ had enjoyed this thread and wasn't "mad' at us afterall. That put a smile on our faces and in our hearts, let me tell ya! We don't know for suuuurrreee...but we just kinda think, (and like thinkin it) that yep, he read some of our posts! wheee.

"She's still waiting for him?" Hmm. What do you mean?

 

[Ashtanga]

We've often worried that we have been at times crossing the line being all "up in his business" but we also, like Ashtanga has recently posted about, have gotten a bit of an impression that MJ had enjoyed this thread and wasn't "mad' at us afterall. That put a smile on our faces and in our hearts, let me tell ya! We don't know for suuuurrreee...but we just kinda think, (and like thinkin it) that yep, he read some of our posts! wheee.

You can not forget the pin Shirley Temple! :nono:

Michael gave us the sign that he was here. :shifty:

:fear:

 

[Ape]

Well...with this theory, do you think that the two of them would have actually talked like how you and I are, or how pen pals do or on the phone or something? Not just at arms length but actual communication between the two of them without physically being together?

sorry it took me so long to come back here! I have been sooooo unbelievably busy! And downright emotional, to be sure. K, so I have issues. *hysterical laughing*

So, imho, There are a few sides to the story. Perhaps "she" was just a dream girl. Or perhaps she was real. Or...BOTH? What if she is someone he envisioned his entire life, and it turns out she's a real person, but maybe the two of them physically together never materialized? What if...she's still waiting for him???????

things that make you go hmmmmm.... Surely this theory has been discussed and exhausted, considering, omg there's 775 pages of discussion!!

 

[andrea72]

Hi i don't post on here, but just like to read what others say. But i'd like to add something.

What if maybe LITD did really exist, but in another world and the only way they would both
meet is via astral travel. So if his LITD girl is not here on earth, maybe she is in another
world. What do you guys think?. Maybe i'm wrong but that's just my opinion.

 

[tha]

Hi People !

Today is raining a lot here ! I don't like rain ! Hope the weather is good on your side !!

DWsoul, I really know how is no have time because the job ! I have the same "problem" ! Maybe we are workaholic !
Regarding your opinion ... I think when we honestly love someone, we can wait for this person for a long long time ! There is a sentence that I like so much:

"If you don't take so long, I can wait you for my all life !"

Oh boy, I really like this sentence ! And I feel in this exactly way !

I think, some loves, is not for this life ! Maybe Michael found someone, the right person, but sometimes the life is so ... weird and even the love is strong, real and eternal, we can't live it ! Can you understand what I'm trying to say ?


Ash, Shirley Temple ! Yeah ! Never forget the "signal" !


Andrea72, I don't know ... I don't believe so much in these "astral things" ... but I believe that everything is possible ! ( now I'm thinking in "nothing real but all is possible if God is on my side" ! ) !


Now, I gotta back to work ... lol ... talk to you later !

 

[claudiadoina]

I have just found 2 comments on a site (not fan forum) on a comment section under an article.I loved it and I wanted to share and this thread seems the right thread to do so.The person who wrote those comments for sure loved Michael and it looks like they had a relationship.They are beautifully written.

Let me know what do you think about it


April 10th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

Memories of the KING

I keep watching articles like this, just curious to see how much anyone REALLY knows about Mike’s life or his girlfriends. I have to chuckle at just how clever he was to slip some of us right past all of you. Even slipping himself right past you, more than you might imagine. That would seem an impossible task for someone of his fame, right?? Seems unbelievable, right?? Even his fans would possibly have gotten angry and questioned why did he try to hide from them? I am no celebrity nor prominant figure in the public eye but I was made to understand the necessity of total dicretion. Michael totally adored his fans, but only let himself be seen when HE wanted to be seen. Believe me when I say that was not the way he really wanted it; only necessary for him. No one can understand what it is to be a prisoner of fame until you experience it at his level. (So very few ever have) You also have to know the controls his family tried to take, as well, but I have no intentions of hurting them with this. Mike was a wonderful man .. a truly wonderful man to his core. He was no angel, and imperfect just like any other man, but he did nothing to hurt anyone … it just was not in him. He saw the first signs of conspiracy back in the late 80s, and always believed that he could overcome them. It put all of us through a living hell, but Mike knew the entire time that it was all devious shams and believed that he would be delivered victorious through it all. These efforts caused him to do things that too many people could not understand, which triggered only more media speculation about him, but he was still successful against them for nearly 20 yrs. I have become pretty calloused, at this point, with the haters and the people who refused to see this MAN for the person he truly was. I have watched them be dragged around by the noses by the media for all these years. Perhaps they need more love, or perhaps they just need a life. Perhaps they need to realize that the media is a business just trying to make money and anything garbage on Michael sells above everything else. I see people trying to explain that but they will not listen. Whatever the case, I never knew a more genuinely loving, thoughtful, caring individual whose thoughts and heart about our world, children and the people he loved ran very deep. And for this, I will always love him, and be grateful to him that he taught me how to love, and how to be loved. That he cared THAT much to give me someone I could believe in.
And he was no drug addict despite the media or his family (no one understands what goes on there and in my heart I know it is a travisty). He was attempting to deal with old injuries that triggered a lot of pain when he started rehearsing again. Many medications he tried were not helping so he stopped using them upon this discovery. Be aware of this when you hear disturbing statements made by those who are alledged witness. Michael does NOT deserve this, but he learned a long time ago that this would be the way it is going to be and there was nothing he could do about it. He was a tower of strength unlike anyone else I have ever known and lesser men would have crumbled long ago.
It will be two yrs in May since he has so lovingly taken me by the hand, that I have touched his face, felt his breath on my neck or looked into his incredible eyes in search of the love I knew was there. I miss the fun, the spats, the roars of laughter and the smile that anchored me and his arms around me that sured my ties when I felt down or hurt. I miss telling someone how I was feeling and seeing that they had listened and understood. He was strong; he was sturdy; he was solid; he was REAL MAN (old school even). And he was not to be underestimated which so many people and the media have done. The imprint he has left on my heart and in my life has ruined me for any other and will endure forever. Time does not change that and I will be forever grateful to him.
I love you, Mike, from the depths of my heart and I miss you from the core of my being. You will forever be the KING of my heart and lover of my soul. Rest peacefully with my heart.

Memories of the KING

@Emily41162 You are totally correct about him. Thank you for recognizing him for the way he really was. I can say that we had our little problems, but mostly because he had a way of spoiling me to the point of being a brat. Then his world would change, he would need to refocus and everyone had to fall in line with those changes (so to speak). It was a challenge and sometimes seemingly at the least opportune times. You did not tie his wings, nor stand in his way for take off but you knew that as he flew away, he was ever conscious and caring of the situation and the people involved. The non-material gifts from his heart that would come could be overwhelming, no matter how busy he was. His faith was strong, and I believe God moved on his heart constantly. But the most amazing thing is that no matter how loud the band played, how jolting the pyros were, or hysterical the crowds of fans got he still heard Gods voice and “listened”. One of the most amazing stories I can tell happened while on stage. He looked out across the crowd while singing and God spoke to him that a certain lady needed a touch from God. He kept his eye on her for the entire rest of the show to be sure she did not leave. As the show was ending and just before doing MITM, he pointed her out to one of the side-stage guards I was standing next to and said “do not let her leave and see if she will come back to see me after the show”. They caught up with her, she stayed, came to visit him and was brought in alone on Mike’s instruction. After greeting her, he hugged her very tightly and told her that God loved her and that she should understand that she is absolutely beautiful in HIS eyes. The lady first looked in his face in disbelief but then broke down and cried as he held her tightly close to him. She really sobbed and he waited patiently for her to calm down and then brushed the hair from her eyes and face as she looked up at him. I was crying too because I did not fully understand what was going on but I felt the pain and hopelessness that was inside that lady also find it’s way to inside me. It caused me to cry along with her and the sight of him holding her in his arms was a comfort to me, too. A few other things were said as she was mumbling things into the shoulder of his jacket and he kept replying “I know”, “I know”. but I remember him saying just before opening the door for her “God takes better care of His own much better than we can take care of ourselves. Do you believe that?” She replied “yes” as she sniffled. So he then said “Then also believe that you are HIS beautiful treasure”. Later that night, when I had the chance to talk about how amazingly sweet that was, the most precious, most humbled look came across his face and his eyes gleemed as he said “I’m just a vessel, that’s all, but you are too because you felt the lady’s pain just like I did”. I don’t know how he knew that. I always felt people should know these things about him that were beyond what the camera’s ever captured, but this is not something you flaunt. His love and trust in God was REAL, not just something he would profess.
And despite all the fun I had challenging him (with t.i.c) just to make him huff (no one does that to the KING, right? lol); the rowdiness; the tenderness: the thoughtfulness; his passion; the times I wanted to poke him on the arm when failing to see the humor in some joke on me; or the times we finally had to just stick our tongues out at each other to call a truce. HE made my world amazing but these stories about his faith are still my most favorite.
Many people do not understand the degrees of challenges that his faith saw him through. The miracles that happened that so few knew about. The many times it could only have been God to deliver him out of certain craziness he would be confronted with. Many times he would get himself into trouble, but not intentionally; or rebel only to have it bite him in the butt. It’s a cruel world, but he did not always see it that way. He was a tower of strength and his amazing smile through so much of it shot spears of comfort into my heart. Sometimes I would get frustrated that he just did not seem to take some things seriously enough, but in the back of my mind I knew he did and it was just his faith activated. And you know .. despite my own frustrations with him, it usually all turned out to be okay. I think all this is why I still find it impossible to understand the propofol or to believe that he is no longer here. But it does my heart good to tell people about him, sometimes. Thank you for loving him. His devoted fans gave him the strength to keep going as much as anything else. He loved you, too, so much. Rest peacefully KING of my heart. I will always love you.

 

[DWsoul]

claudia, thank you, SO MUCH, for that! It was absolutely beautiful, and true to the core. Oh, the side of Michael that so many don't get to see.

 

[DWsoul]

I suppose I brought up an interesting topic. Perhaps it has not been discussed as much as I would have thought...perhaps not even at all??

Well, okay then. I have some free time for a little while to discuss.

It is quite possible that "she" was "imaginary" to him, his whole life. But yet in his head, quite REAL. So, he wrote and sang about "her" as a real person. But God can make all things possible, after all, so this "imaginary person" COULD be a REAL person, after all. Perhaps, she, TOO, imagined HIM her w hole life, in a similar way? Perhaps she tried to get to him, perhaps they communicated? Who's to say? God can do a lot of mysterious things.

As for me, I am a private caregiver for disabled and sick people, mostly children, but adults, too. It is currently very, very stressful, and quite dangerous. Normally I enjoy very much what I do, but my current private job is just...I literally live each day wondering if a knife is going to find it's way to my heart.

 

[DWsoul]

Does anyone else have constant problems with the mjjc system logging you out automatically every few minutes? It's IMPOSSIBLE to write anything of length or continue chats!! a little help here?

 

[Ashtanga]

I have just found 2 comments on a site (not fan forum) on a comment section under an article.I loved it and I wanted to share and this thread seems the right thread to do so.The person who wrote those comments for sure loved Michael and it looks like they had a relationship.They are beautifully written.

Let me know what do you think about it


April 10th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

Hmmmmmmmmmmm


Link?

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I suppose I brought up an interesting topic. Perhaps it has not been discussed as much as I would have thought...perhaps not even at all??

Actually, I believe this has been discussed, but I'm glad you ressurected this topic. It is very interesting indeed.

Anywho ...

I was hearing this song in my head while in my car in the morning (the radio was not on) and then I heard it in a store I was in (confirmation perhaps that I am to post this? It may have even been posted before a long time ago). Well, either way, it's a good song and ... I can post anything I want today since it is my special day! Ha!Ha!

 

[Ashtanga]

I can post anything I want today since it is my special day! Ha!Ha!

:shifty:






Sooooooooooooooo beautiful! :girl_in_love:

 

[Ape]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO USSSSSS
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO USSSSSSSSS

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR MYSTERIOUS PHOENIX AND MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HAPPY BIRTHDAY
TOOOOOOOOOOOO USSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

*bows* *blows kisses* *leaves stage*
























*COMES BACK FOR ENCORE!!!!!*


and sees everyone has already left....



ps... DWsoul, when you are signing in, there is a box you can check that will keep you logged in. Click that and you should stay logged in then.

 

[Lisha]

EDIT: I see now Ape posted while I had the reply window open and was working on this involved post, ha! Yes, that might do the trick for DWsoul as far as the problem they are having Ape. Good thinkin'!

Does anyone else have constant problems with the mjjc system logging you out automatically every few minutes? It's IMPOSSIBLE to write anything of length or continue chats!! a little help here?

I think a stock answer for problems such as these is to "reset one's cookies." Have you tried that? I really don't know how to help for sure; it's just a suggestion...maybe it will help?


~ Well a very MERRY Birthday!!! to MysteriousPhoenix and to Ape! Hope you two are having a magical day! We love ya both! :hug: :hug:

My baby boy is 5 years old, Shila ! My miracle, my life, my everything !

Aww, such a cute age. I remember when my son was five and cuddling up next to me in bed so I would read outloud to him. I think he loved it so, not only because hearing the stories was fun, but because he had ALL of mom's attention at those times. You keep enjoying that boy of yours, tha! :hug:

And if his "prayers" was answered ? Would be his life complete ?

Good question!

Regarding the songs ... some of them I think Michael talk about himself and in some others, I think is just ... "imagination"

and

sorry it took me so long to come back here! I have been sooooo unbelievably busy! And downright emotional, to be sure. K, so I have issues. *hysterical laughing*

So, imho, There are a few sides to the story. Perhaps "she" was just a dream girl. Or perhaps she was real. Or...BOTH? What if she is someone he envisioned his entire life, and it turns out she's a real person, but maybe the two of them physically together never materialized? What if...she's still waiting for him???????

things that make you go hmmmmm.... Surely this theory has been discussed and exhausted, considering, omg there's 775 pages of discussion!!

and

I suppose I brought up an interesting topic. Perhaps it has not been discussed as much as I would have thought...perhaps not even at all??

and

Actually, I believe this has been discussed, but I'm glad you ressurected this topic. It is very interesting indeed.

I agree with MP that is has actually been brought up in different ways. Here is an example of a couple posts...Lily first poses a question, and Ape gives her take...(I think it is kinda similar to what you are sayin'..)

Do you think Michael could be dreaming someone to life through his lyrics? As if the words he sings are coming from something greater (Divine) slowly leading him down the path towards the revelation of his true love?

Funny you should mention this. I had wondered this same thing about a year ago or so. I wondered if maybe he wished for someone, prayed about it, sang about it, dreamed about it, and maybe God saw that dream and made someone accordingly. But then I thought would that be very nice? To have been only on earth because someone wished for you? So your sole purpose is to be there for that person? Couldn't you have your own hopes and dreams as well?

But maybe it would be nice. It wouldn't be like the person would be someone's puppy dog, they would just belong to each other, not one for the other. Not one living solely for the other, but each for each other I guess. In one way, it is a similar idea to Eve being made from Adams rib. She was created out of a part of him right? Or so the story goes. So what if this lady was created out of a part of Michael. Yeah I know, crazy talk. Just allow me it because it's 2am and I am exhausted.

I guess I wondered if God created this lady out of his dreams and hopes and wishes.... would she have her own identity? and I guess because she would have been created by God, then of course she would. She'd be as well created as any other. Maybe even extra care? I don't know. God does seem to have favorites as much as I feel we are all special and each of us matter to God. Well we do. hmm.. just thinking out loud. Not really clear on my thoughts either..lol.

~btw, DWsoul, don't forget to address Ape's question here. I'd be interested to learn what you think on this.

Well...with this theory, do you think that the two of them would have actually talked like how you and I are, or how pen pals do or on the phone or something? Not just at arms length but actual communication between the two of them without physically being together?

EDIT: I guess you did sort of answer this here:

...Perhaps she tried to get to him, perhaps they communicated? Who's to say? God can do a lot of mysterious things.

Sorry for not catchin' that. But if ya wish to talk further on the subject, please feel free.

Hi, andrea.

What if maybe LITD did really exist, but in another world and the only way they would both
meet is via astral travel. So if his LITD girl is not here on earth, maybe she is in another
world. What do you guys think?

We were thinking recently about being pretty creative in here by posting short stories involving the LITD girl and her love MJ...and a few of us were thinking of taking the approach of having the story be "other worldy". I was thinking of having them come to earth from another planet...like Theta. So andrea, you are being creative here in your suggested theory as well...I mean, where are we left to go in our attempts at trying to make things work out for these two STILL...it takes some creative orignal thinking!

Do you personally know anyone that has been able to astral travel? How does that work? You believe in life existing on other planets and that sone aline species could be compatible with humans?

Sounds a bit like the story of E.T., a story that was dear to MJ's heart. If MJ was "out of this world" for he was in his talent and such...then would his only hope for a mate be someone literally "out of this world" as well?

I have just found 2 comments on a site (not fan forum) on a comment section under an article...They are beautifully written...Let me know what do you think about it

They are very well expressed and maturely written it seems to me. Food for thought.

DWsoul... I think when we honestly love someone, we can wait for this person for a long long time !

Good point, tha, and today as I was driving in my car this song came on and as I was listening to the words I was thinking about what DWsoul had said, too, about "she" is maybe still waiting for him...

What if...she's still waiting for him???????

and if so, maybe this song's lyrics might be the LITD girl's own perspective? Maybe MJ taught her how to love and 'she" is grateful to him for that. It even seems like that is apart of what this gal in the replies claudia posted was indicating...that she is eternally grateful to Michael for showing her how to feel and give back love. Did you guys sense that? Michael is the teacher of LOVE. :heart:

All This Love (All my love is waiting for you):

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I had some problems
And no one could seem to solve them
But you found the answer
You told me to take a chance
And learn the way of love, my baby
And all that it had to offer
In time you will see that love won't let you down.

You said that you loved me
Said hurt only came to pass me
It sounded so convincing
That I gave it half a chance
And learned the way of love my baby

There is so much love inside me
And all that I have I give my all to you
And all this love is waiting for you
And all, all my love is waiting for you

All this love is waiting for you
And baby all, baby all this love is waiting for you
Oh, I love how you make me feel this way
My love is getting stronger every day
And after all I went and put myself through
I found that all I really needed was you

As the sun has its place up in the sky
I love you so dearly
And all the same, there's no need to wonder why
I need you, please hear me

Say you really love me, baby
Say you really love me, darling
For I really love you baby
You know I really love you darling

Say you really love me, baby
Say you really love me, darling
For I really love you baby
Sure enough love you darling

Say, say you love me......

I think, some loves, is not for this life ! Maybe Michael found someone, the right person, but sometimes the life is so ... weird and even the love is strong, real and eternal, we can't live it ! Can you understand what I'm trying to say ?

I've been thinking about this, also, tha, that what if MJ actually got to have his LITD girl in his life....would it be too intense. It reminds me of the love bond depicted in the film, Hancock. The electricity, the intensity, was so strong with them that when they were togather it even caused Jiffy Pop on the stove nearby to pop! But it also couldn't be maintained day to day...it was too much, so when they were together, the power would defuse to the point where they lost their super powers and became human/mortal.

What was that quote someone posted in here once, something like,

"It's not so much finding the one you can live with, but the one you can't live without."

That sounds to me that there may be soulmates out there where their bond is so strong and intense that it can't work on a mondane, day to day basis...or it will reach an intense peak, then fizzle out. But once the two people separate for a period of time, the strong chemistry builds back up again.

I am reminded of Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton. Their pull toward one another was very, very strong...but it was so intense it made it difficult to stay married to each other for long. They did eventually go their separate ways and marry different people, but what did Elizabeth say in an interview not all that long ago?...she said, if Richard had of lived longer they would have come back together...it was inevitable. This was her, saying this, years after Richard had died and she was a woman approaching her eighties...but she knew...she knew how strong their love bond was.

It is quite possible that "she" was "imaginary" to him, his whole life. But yet in his head, quite REAL. So, he wrote and sang about "her" as a real person. But God can make all things possible, after all, so this "imaginary person" COULD be a REAL person, after all. Perhaps, she, TOO, imagined HIM her whole life, in a similar way? Perhaps she tried to get to him, perhaps they communicated? Who's to say? God can do a lot of mysterious things.

Now this here ties in to what I've been exploring...could it be more that if "she" was "imaginary" that this imaginary person he ended up discovering was "unreal" or too good to be true and didn't/couldn't match up to his ideal? Wouldn't that be more likely? And if he spent time with her, or even tried to live wiht her...would he find that she wasn't able to , as tha said "complete him" afterall, or even make him as happy as so many of his lyrics, sounded like she was going to? Think about this female in claudia's post...she describes quite the love relationship. Sure sounds like they did enough together to indicate they were a very good match, very loving to one another...she describes him like the perfect guy giving his time and love to her in a sweet wonderful way. Yet...and yet, he did not marry her. Just like the several woman he let in...let get close to him...yet, and yet, he didn't marry them. Is it because they didn't (and couldn't realistically) match up to his dreamgirl...his idealized perfect mate he made up in his head and wrote lyrics about?

Maybe when he says in the song, Someone Put Your Hand Out, "I've searched this whole world wishing
She'll be there time after time" it is meanng that in every girl he got close to, he couldn't see in them the idealized girl he wrote about in his songs. No one could please.

I am a private caregiver for disabled and sick people, mostly children, but adults, too. It is currently very, very stressful, and quite dangerous. Normally I enjoy very much what I do, but my current private job is just...I literally live each day wondering if a knife is going to find it's way to my heart.

Oh wow, does this job have something to do with your saying before that you have been downright emotional lately? I can understand that. But what you are doing is important work and valuable. :hug:

Are you by any chance Denzel Washington!? lol. I'm tryin' to figure out what the DW stands for.

Well, either way, it's a good song and ... I can post anything I want today since it is my special day! Ha!Ha!

It is a good song, and I hadn't realized before that the lyrics really do fit in here. Leave it to MP, the birthday girl, to be right on it!

 

[Lainy]

Wow this thread is great again!
I've been very busy lately, so I cannot go online how much I would like, I think my life is back to normal ( after a so long and hard times.)
I'm so pleased to hear your husband is doing well Shila. :wild:

Congratulations, best wishes, and happy birthday to Ape and MP! Wishing you health and happiness on your birthday and for many years to come. God bless you all!



I'm sorry for not contribute with discussion .... I must be more tired than I thought.

missing you guys...
you're in my thoughts, take care.

 

[claudiadoina]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm


Link?

Here, it's down on the page.
The article is weak and there are some nasty comments too, sorry :sad:

Famous Celebrity Girlfriends » Michael Jackson Girlfriend

 

[DWsoul]

lol Shila, no, I'm not Denzel Washington.

And thank you for that very good, in depth post. kudos! I don't really have anything to add to it, besides my own, personal experience with the phenomenon of "imaginary but real". So, I know it is VERY possible for that to happen. I also know that "astral travel" is quite real, I have experienced it a few times, and so has a few good friends of mine.

Is it possible they communicated somehow? Without ever physically being together? Sure. Why not? But obviously it would have been very, very private. Is it possible they never did get to communicate, but knew each other existed? That's possible too. I think the former is more likely.

I kinda like this thread. It's got MAGIC to it. I think Michael liked it, too.

 

[DWsoul]

btw, happy bday to MP and Ape!

 

[andrea72]

Hi yes, i do know someone who astral travels, its a close friend of mine. She says when
she does it, she is fully aware of doing it. Apparently, we all do it and are not aware of it.
So at night, when we go to sleep, we go off into many other worlds to help and do work.
My friend tells me about her adventures when she is out of body, she says she does a lot of
out of body work.

Now going back to MJ and LITDG. What if he finds her one day in the next life, maybe he
wasn't meant to meet her in this life, who knows, maybe i'm wrong.

 

[Ape]

I never thought of another world. I do think that idea has never been mentioned in here. I don't know much about all of that though I do know that we don't know everything about the world or life. There is a lot of mystery to it. I have a friend who went to see a psychic and apparently her and I (the psychic said) were friends and belonged to some Pharaoh's harem. Now my friend insists on me going to this same psychic to help me out. Hey soon we'll be on page 777 Mikes fave number!

 

[Ashtanga]

I also know that "astral travel" is quite real, I have experienced it a few times

I know it's stupid to ask :fear:, but I'll ask .... How does an astral travel? :scratch: :blushing:

I think Michael liked it, too.

Sure! :girl_sigh: :wub:

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO USSSSSS
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO USSSSSSSSS

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR MYSTERIOUS PHOENIX AND MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HAPPY BIRTHDAY
TOOOOOOOOOOOO USSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

*bows* *blows kisses* *leaves stage*
























*COMES BACK FOR ENCORE!!!!!*


and sees everyone has already left....

Yessss!!! Happy Belated Birthday to US!!! How could I have forgotten my birthday mate? I think I know how. I wasn't feeling too good on my b-day, but I think that will be made up for this weekend. Thank you everybody for the well wishes.

Thanks for posting another good song, Shila. I like how in both your and my songs My Baby makes an appearance! lol!

I'd like to say more about what everyone has written, especially about that astral projection stuff. I know I sometimes wake up with my body kind of shaking and I read that that means I must have astral projected during the night and the shaking means I am re-entering my body. Boy, no wonder I am so tired when I wake up! I don't know if I do or not, I really don't remember a thing, but if I do do that, I probably just go around visiting people I know and making sure they are alright...at least that's what I hope I do. Oh boy, I sure hope I don't do anything sinister out there! Well, I will talk more on this subject and other controversial stuff later.

I kinda like this thread. It's got MAGIC to it. I think Michael liked it, too.

Of course Michael liked it! Are you or are you not aware of the pin Shirley Temple??? lol!

 

[Ashtanga]

Oh boy, I sure hope I don't do anything sinister out there!

:fear:

Of course Michael liked it! Are you or are you not aware of the pin Shirley Temple??? lol!

:shifty:

:girl_sigh: :wub:

 

[Ape]

MP I had a good decent birthday (though didn't celebrate nor do anything other than work) but it was today that sucked in the evening.

 

[DWsoul]

Not gonna go too much in depth on the astral travel right now...my experiences have been quite profound, very enlightening, and, some of them belong to the confines of privacy (no, nothing elicit).

MP, yes, I am aware (now) of the Shirley Temple pin. I don't know maybe I was told about it before, a long time ago, and forgot. My memory stinks. But, I already knew he came here, anyway.