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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

queen g said:
Woah, AllForMJ, aren't we in sync. When I read that same thing yesterday that wendy2004 had posted and you above had quoted and bolded in your own post, that one line, from that very same will.i.am song, came to my mind immediately:

I don't want no other ladies tellin' me they love me

And here you've gone and posted the very song! How fun we were on the same wavelength. :)

But let's say Mr. Will came up with that lyrical totally separately from MJ (although it makes a lot of sense he did not, because they were collaborating a lot at that time and there is that song intro playin' right there at the interview...) but let's say it's a lyric only reflecting himself and not MJ...even so, it is touching for a celeb of his popularity to say such a thing to the woman he loves, because you know he has all kinds of women
adoring him, coming on to him, and saying "I love you." So for it to be important to him for his woman to know those other women saying "I love you" is not what has meaning, depth or substance to him, but only for "her" to say it to him, "I love you" is huge. What a wonderful thing for the woman in his heart to hear.

So you can imagine EVEN MORE so, if Will's words reflect MJ's heart for his LITD girl...consider all the admiration he has always received from females... even more so! It's really something special to get communicated to his "her". That's why I like wendy2004's take on the message of that shirt, and looks like I'm not alone. 'Cause...

we're such a bunch of hopeless romantics in here! My gosh! :wub:
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The part that really jumps out at me in this song...along with many other parts...lol...is "The sun's not shining, shining when you're gone. All I get is rain. All I get is storms." These are the very type of things that MJ often mentions. I've been wondering if maybe he added some things to this song like he did with the songs that Ne-Yo wrote for him. Also notice that the song that Lenny Kravitz and MJ worked on together mentions the same thing. A storm.
:yes:
 
queen g said:
Ah, that's right. There is "storm" once again. I did notice the mention of storm in Another Day, which reminded me of One More Chance and the way storm is brought up in that song.
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Yep! Storm is being mentioned again!
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Moddie777 said:
I can't view or hear this. Can anyone tell me in detail what it is?

Also, ALLforMJ, I had no idea about MJ registering a song called "Reverance"! Amazing to say the least! Damn!!

Are the lyrice posted anywhere, does anyone know?
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Huh? Ladies can you help a sista out?, lol

What is the youtube video/audio saying?

Is it the storm lyrics queen g was just talking about?
 
queen g said:
I'll help a sista out!

The first vid is of the MSG performance of The Way You Make Me Feel with Britney Spears. Not much touchin'- flirtin-interactin' goin' on there.

The second vid is of that same MSG performance but the other night with Britney not there and a model type gal instead. She knows what Britney obviously didn't...you can't turn this man on unless you SWING YOUR ONE ARM WHILE WALKING! :lol: And this girl did plenty of that and he had his hands all over her.

The third vid is of The Way You Make Me Feel rehearsals from TII and that cute dancer he obvious feels very relaxed with and she also knows to SWING HER ARM and MJ is all playful and "touchy" with her as well.

I think after I get off the compy I'm going to walk back and forth in front of my wall mirror and practice swinging my arm. My life just might get a lot more fun. :cheeky:
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:lol:

queen g said:
Okay this post is now going to get PG13. I may blush my way through it for I am fairly conservative and don't talk about sexual things in person with others or online, but...when I was studying literature while working toward my English degree, often discussions would be surrounding the many sexual inferences within the body of literature we would be studying. Many of the classics can be interpretted in such a way... and Shakespeare didn't hold back in this area of including sexual references, and let's not even start with Chaucer!!!

I had brought up before the song, Serious Effect, and said I felt I had an interpretation for it but didn't go into it at the time. I really didn't want to say all I needed to in order to explain it because I would not be able to avoid speaking of some sexual-related things. :blush:

The whole song is about "animal magnetism," and, I believe, MJ's delight in discovering his LITD girl had THAT side to her.

Why he was delighted is that I am thinking that he had observed her for awhile and she presented herself as a rather straight-laced "goody goody," kinda like he did for several years at the beginning of his career. I think she might have not been boy crazy and was a type who stayed cool and reserved around guys, to the point that maybe his pals had even suggested to him that she was either frigid or a "dike." Strong assumption, huh? It was actually SoS who got me thinking about this for a long time ago she shared that she could hear (in the section where I have so much trouble hearing anything) in CLHGA something like "are you a dike?" I was like, "No way!" But now I'm back-peddling....I think it could make sense that he was hearing some of this from others and probably a bit of, "So stop being so hooked on her and move on."

Obviously, I think there was a season back before Dangerous and maybe somewhere around Bad that he was where she was and observing her. I don't think she knew it. And just like the public was being steered at times by the media to think that MJ was NOT a red-blooded American male, and his fans were made to wonder and were relieved when others stepped forward to assure all he was heterosexual and red-blooded...I think MJ was wondering a bit about this gal and hoping for some indication that his pals were wrong and his instincts about her were correct. If she walked anything like Tatiana did in the vid The Way You Make Me Feel...he must have thought there was something more to her than met the eyes...you know, how sometimes still water runs deep?

If you remember in a post of mine before about this song I had asked "What is he so d*** glad about? lol.

So...he's attracted to her but has been curious about her regarding all of this,

She's serious
Makin' me delirious
I'm curious

One day/night a guy comes into the picture. MJ is observing the interaction between her and this guy unnoticed. Most likely he is in some kind of disguise and is blending in with others and the scenery...not drawing attention as this "scene" unfolds before him,

Like a mini movie being filmed.

The guy starts hanging around her and interacting with her,

Next thing I know
Here he was

And this guy has some flirty, sexual charisma and it is causing a reaction from her, she's responding to the guy in like fashion and that to MJ is interesting to observe

Enjoying
The animal magnetism
She's too hot to touch
Too cool for critizism

So MJ is thinking "so she has a sensual side to her afterall," and he can see this womanizing guy's charm is having a serious effect on her and he's so d*** glad about it. I think he also was able to figure out that this type of guy, once he finds out she is a "good girl" won't be into her at all, that is why the lyrics,

I gotta get back heavenly rhyme
Gonna jump back
She won't get it
I got a feeling, but I’m givin’ ya that,
And i'm so damn
So damn glad about it

I got a feeling
That’s not gonna be right
Gon' get back
he wont get it
I gotta feeling like jumping about
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it

This guy is only interested in woman who will come across not just want to hold hands with him. MJ reads the guy and knows the drill. She may be attracted to the guy, she may be interested in him, but it won't happen. And knowing how MJ has always been one to have faith and pray, I wouldn't be surprised if he asked God to even block it. This is a good example, if this took place, of how MJ could have "been there" for her through prayer at a time when she needed it...his prayers could have protected her from getting into a relationship with a guy that would have been harmful for her and left her very broken hearted. Anyone who has been in a relationship with a rounder would attest to this. It also would show how well MJ can size people up when observing them; he probably understood his LITD girl maybe better than she understood her own self. So he could be "glad" about all this because he was pretty sure she wouldn't end up with this guy. It makes ya kinda wanta go back in time and knock her over the head a few times and say, "Hellooooooo, WAKE UP! You're looking in the wrong direction! Mr. Perfect is over here! Duh!! :lol:


But...now...there is another part to this...her display of animal magnetism is having a serious effect on him also, simultaneously. She's really turning him on now. Makes me think of that lyric from The Way You Make Me Feel, "I feel you fever from miles around." He's getting quite distracted by it. Can't even get back to his song writing. Let me work through the song a bit:

Serious Effect

I gotta get back heavenly rhyme
Gonna jump back he's backing off to watch this whole thing and see where it lands
She won't get it
I got a feeling, but I’m givin’ ya that, he's glad she is not one who sleeps around
And i'm so damn
So damn glad about it

I got a feeling
That’s not gonna be right This guy won't get anything off of her
Gon' get back
he wont get it
I gotta feeling like jumping about
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it He's pleased as punch.

Serious effect with the lady
Serious effect on me
Serious effect with the lady
Serious effect on me
Serious effect with the lady
Serious effect on me
Serious effect with the lady
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it

I gotta feeling
Of giving it back, He'd like to be on the receiving end of her animal magnetism and show her how HE'D return it.
I Won't jump back Haha
She won't let it So far, he hadn't gotten anywhere with her.
I got a feeling
it’s not but the front Her purtan ways must be a front if there is this other side to her
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it

She don't smoke Yeah, he believes she's a goddy goody in the ways listed, like she won't do drugs
She don't a breathe it
She don't hash it
She don't dope
But she's a liar But her being so pure and straight-laced that she has no passion...it's a front and he's not buying it.
I gotta feeling
Like hoppin’about
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it

Serious effect on the lady
Serious effect on me
Serious effect on the lady
Serious effect on me
Serious effect with the lady
Serious effect on me
Serious effect with the lady
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it


[Rap]
She's serious
Makin' me delirious
I'm curious
Next thing I know
Here he was
Enjoying
The animal magnetism
She's too hot to touch
Too cool for critizism
Each and every thing
Like a mini movie being filmed

Okay, I'm taking it PG13 now *yikes*

'Cause I'm the captain
AND HER BODY'S THE HELM
I'm shivering, quivering
I smile while i'm delivering Remember he's not in a relationship with her but her new side that is showing is driving him crazy. In, um, um...tryin' to find a way to delicately put this...she's giving him an itch that needs scratching...but since she is not there to scratch* ...he does the scratching himself....:blush: Are you ladies picking up what I am putting down...?
Get some love and passion
It's never been
so intense and spiritual like
Incense of above, against
*And all off in silence
Then i scream like a man
Out of his wits
'Cause that's how serious
A serious effect is

Serious effect with the lady
Serious effect on me
Serious effect with the lady
Serious effect on me
Serious effect with the lady
Serious effect on me
Serious effect with the lady
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it

Aouw!
Same as you knew I was These lyrics are hard to hear. I'm wondering if he had some kind of conversation with her or learned that she put her nose up to the way he changed from being "goody goody" to being the Bad boy
duirng the Bad era.
Same as you thought I was He is saying, look, now I know we are both the same here, so stop judging me. These lines sound a bit sarcastic to me.
(serious)
comin' around
I gotta feelin’
(serious)
She's won’t a get it
(serious)
I got a feelin’
Like toppin’ the ground
And I'm so glad
(serious)
And I'm so damn glad about it

Serious effect on the Lady
Serious effect on me
Serious effect on the lady
Serious effect on me
Serious effect on the lady
Serious effect on me
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it

Serious
Serious on me
Serious
Serious on
Serious
Serious on me
Serious
Serious on
serious
Serious effect on the lady
Serious effect on me
Serious effect on the lady
Serious effect me
Serious on me
Serious
Serious on me

This song is hard to hear as far as a lot of the lyrics. Lyrics for it found online are really inaccurate. I did the best I could, but with errors, I'm sure.

To me this song is very sexually charged, even the way his vocals are. His LITD girl may be a red-blooded American girl, but still back then wanted to wait around for the right guy and stay true to whatever her morals were.

MJ, may have been the same. He didn't have to sleep around to be a passionate heterosexual guy. He might have wanted to wait for the right girl and did um...um...what he could to um :blush: ...work around that, while waiting for her and marriage. Now I am referring to the time prior to his first marriage in 1994. After that, i don't know if his ideals and traditional thinking and all that changed, but I think maybe back then, when he first had his eye on "her' he wanted to wait, and not do "too" much sexually. That is just my view.

Serious Effect video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jePKFHuxIEc
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So, it's like MJ one day said to himself, "Hey, I better step things up a bit now."

Is that what you're saying? LOL
 
Thanks for helping a sista out queen g!!!!, LoL.

I don't feel so lost now.

Where's MJbabe21 and Ape???
 
Gaz said:
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If you stick to that therory you will not have me banging on your door.

I have now seen the said comments have been removed, DO NOT waist my time again as next time I will shut this thread and issue 7 day bans.



Note to my moderators, please clean this thread before re opening.


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Gaz, can you please delete post numbers #7984 and #7990 as well? Thanks.
 
Thank you so much for deleting post numbers 7984 and 7990, Gaz. And thank you for coming into the thread.

:flowers:
 
queen g said:
I'll help a sista out!

The first vid is of the MSG performance of The Way You Make Me Feel with Britney Spears. Not much touchin'- flirtin-interactin' goin' on there.

The second vid is of that same MSG performance but the other night with Britney not there and a model type gal instead. She knows what Britney obviously didn't...you can't turn this man on unless you SWING YOUR ONE ARM WHILE WALKING! :lol: And this girl did plenty of that and he had his hands all over her.

The third vid is of The Way You Make Me Feel rehearsals from TII and that cute dancer he obvious feels very relaxed with and she also knows to SWING HER ARM and MJ is all playful and "touchy" with her as well.

I think after I get off the compy I'm going to walk back and forth in front of my wall mirror and practice swinging my arm. My life just might get a lot more fun. :cheeky:
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:rofl: That was funny! :lol:
 
Gaz said:
I will not tolerate racism in any shape of form, they are not black nor white they are a person whether male or female.

If you stick to that therory you will not have me banging on your door.

I have now seen the said comments have been removed, DO NOT waste my time again as next time I will shut this thread and issue 7 day bans.



Note to my moderators, please clean this thread before re opening.


Thank you.
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Dear Gaz, MJJC Mods,

Thank you from the center of our hearts;

I know Mr.Jackson would be "very proud"...and "honored" to have a society that is dedicated to keeping the "true meaning" of HIS Legacy Alive and Well~~~

:punk:

:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~
 
Thank you, Gaz and mods for taking this issue seriously. I really appreciate it.
Have a nice day.
 
Oh myyy, what's been goin' on ova here? In this one instance ignorance truly is a bliss, don't even wanna know what i've 'missed'.

I'll just say this: The man couldn't have made it cleared had he tried. Dare I ask when was the last time we all took a good look and especially a good listen to Black or white???? Here goes the full video, with no censorship either. ENJOY it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVoJ6OO6lR4



And to get back on topic. I don't think this song has ever been discussed, but do you all think at some points Michael might have related to the Bobby Darin Dream lover song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj4CJq3GCLw I would venture and guess that yes, like any other man, right?


Every night I hope and pray
A dream lover will come my way
A girl to hold in my arms
And know the magic of her charms
'Cause I want (yeah-yeah, yeah)
A girl (yeah-yeah, yeah)
To call (yeah-yeah, yeah)
My own (yeah-yeah)
I want a dream lover
So I don't have to dream alone

Dream lover, where are you
With a love, oh, so true
And the hand that I can hold
To feel you near as I grow old
'Cause I want (yeah-yeah, yeah)
A girl (yeah-yeah, yeah)
To call (yeah-yeah, yeah)
My own (yeah-yeah, yeah)
I want a dream lover
So I don't have to dream alone

Someday, I don't know how
I hope she'll hear my plea
Some way, I don't know how
She'll bring her love to me

Dream lover, until then
I'll go to sleep and dream again
That's the only thing to do
Till all my lover's dreams come true
'Cause I want (yeah-yeah, yeah)
A girl (yeah-yeah, yeah)
To call (yeah-yeah, yeah)
My own (yeah-yeah, yeah)
I want a dream lover
So I don't have to dream alone

Dream lover, until then
I'll go to sleep and dream again
That's the only thing to do
Till all my lover's dreams come true
'Cause I want (yeah-yeah, yeah)
A girl (yeah-yeah, yeah)
To call (yeah-yeah, yeah)
My own (yeah-yeah)
I want a dream lover
So I don't have to dream alone

Please don't make me dream alone
I beg you don't make me dream alone
No, I don't wanna dream
 
I think so Shabuya. :) Those lyrics to "Dream Lover" sound alot like some of MJ's. Not someone in his life or within his grasp just yet, but someone that he is wishing, hoping, fantasizing, and dreaming to be gifted into his life someday. I believe alot of lyrics came from being romantically imaginative, just as I also believe we are sent messages from something greater, with a specific purpose in our life. :)
 
WT?????

Delete double post :ermm:
 
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Hi Guys,

Just a quick note: I'll mainly be in the Investigative Unit Section of the Board , so drop by to see me or send a pm if you'd like? I'll be around.

You know this beautiful and deeply romantic thread is highly addictive. lol


Peace.

Love you guys.
 
Now that alllllll of THAT is over...
:lol:

I'm still working on the other stuff that "shows" that MJ was in love. :yes:
 
~Kis~ said:
I believe she's living life; Spending time offline. She's alright..
She may not be online as much as before.
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Then she's doing the right thing, I think it's getting more and more disappointing to come to the forum.. as others have said, only this topic is worth it..
 
Although I am still working on the other thing that I am going to post, I wanted to show you all what I meant when I said MJ was starting to reverse what he had said in the song "Stranger In Moscow."

Below are part of the lyrics to the song. What's typed in the "( )" are showing him reversing things that he had said. In other words, he was starting to let everyone know that things were getting better.


"Stranger In Moscow"

I was wandering in the rain
Mask of life, feelin' insane (From "This Is It" -- "I feel grand")

Swift and sudden fall from grace (From "This Is It" -- "Here I stand")

Sunny days seem far away (From "For All Time" -- "Sun comes up on this new morning")

Wish the rain would just let me be (From "The Way You Love Me" -- "You took away the rain and brought the sunshine")

How does it feel
When you're alone (From "The Way You Love Me" -- "I was alone... you came in time.")
And you're cold inside (From "Hold My Hand" -- "...when it gets cold, we hold each other till we see the sunlight.")

Here abandoned in my fame (From Thriller25: "To all my fans and friends around the world who love and support me, and who have always been there for me and my family, throughout my entire career, I thank you and I love you, from the bottom of my heart.")

Take my name and just let me be (From November 2003 Press Release: Michael will do what it takes to safeguard his family and his name)

Happy days will drown the pain (From handwritten note, "You make me soooo happy.")

Things were getting better...

This is why he was starting to act cheerful again.
 
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AllForMJ said:
Although I am still working on the other thing that I am going to post, I wanted to show you all what I meant when I said MJ was starting to reverse what he had said in the song "Stranger In Moscow."

Below are part of the lyrics to the song. What's typed in the "( )" are showing him reversing things that he had said. In other words, he was starting to let everyone know that things were getting better.


"Stranger In Moscow"

I was wandering in the rain
Mask of life, feelin' insane (From "This Is It" -- "I feel grand")

Swift and sudden fall from grace (From "This Is It" -- "Here I stand")

Sunny days seem far away (From "For All Time" -- "Sun comes up on this new morning")

Wish the rain would just let me be (From "The Way You Love Me" -- "You took away the rain and brought the sunshine")

How does it feel
When you're alone (From "The Way You Love Me" -- I was alone... you came in time.")
And you're cold inside (From "Hold My Hand" -- "...when it gets cold, we hold each other till we see the sunlight.")

Here abandoned in my fame (From Thriller25: "To all my fans and friends around the world who love and support me, and who have always been there for me and my family, throughout my entire career, I thank you and I love you, from the bottom of my heart.")

Take my name and just let me be (From November 2003 Press Release: Michael will do what it takes to safeguard his family and his name)

Happy days will drown the pain (From handwritten note, "You make me so happy.")

Things were getting better...

This is why he was starting to act cheerful again.
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Yep i feel u may be right. I think mike was feeling like he was ready 2 take on the world again, and was totally confident.
 
AllForMJ said:
Things were getting better...

This is why he was starting to act cheerful again.
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I agree, in recent times MJ seemed more at-peace as well. And I think the comparison examples you showed with the lyrics, notes, etc.. are signs of not only that but the happiness and love he seemed to be experiencing. Something/someone inspired him in some way, and he seemed to be at a new, much happier place in life. :)
 
8701girl said:
Yep i feel u may be right. I think mike was feeling like he was ready 2 take on the world again, and was totally confident.
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Yep! He was ready to take on the world again, and was totally confident.

Because of this, and the hard work that he did to get his life back on track, his legacy now remains intact, and the words not guilty are traveling around the world.

If he had not found a way to turn things around, he would have passed away sooner from all of the unfair pressure that was being placed on him from Evan Chandler's lie, and he, meaning MJ, would have passed away with his life still in disarray.

But, he kept his faith in God and himself, and found the strength to do a rebound.

Lily said:
I agree, in recent times MJ seemed more at-peace as well. And I think the comparison examples you showed with the lyrics, notes, etc.. are signs of not only that but the happiness and love he seemed to be experiencing. Something/someone inspired him in some way, and he seemed to be at a new, much happier place in life. :)
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Uh-huh. He clearly received what he wanted. It brought him great joy.
:yes:
 
AllForMJ said:
Naaaa, Mike hasn't laid any guilt trips on her. Know how you can tell? Because his most recent love songs have been positive ones.

Also, there's something else that came to me the other day that has been running through my mind quite a bit lately. It has to do with these three lines from "This Is It."

* And it feels as though I've seen your face a thousand times
* And I feel as though I've known you since a thousand years
* And I feel as though I've known you for a thousand years

These three lines are causing me to look back at something that MJ said in "Someone In The Dark."

The above lines fall right in place with him saying in "Someone In The Dark," "One sweet night I knew I would see a stranger who'd be my friend."

If the person was first a stranger to him, it would clearly explain why he would say, "I never heard a single word about you" in "This Is It."

Also, if the woman that became his friend was a stranger, then it would also explain why he was so amazed that it feels like someone he's been knowing for a very long time.

Additionally, in "Someone In The Dark" he said the person would find him one sweet night and in "The Way You Love Me" he is revealing that she did. At the beginning of "The Way You Love Me" he said they kissed in the moonlight after she took his hand.

So, to sum it up...he fell in love with the stranger that he was wishing would find him one night and after she found him, she didn't seem like a stranger at all.

Get it?
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"So, to sum it up...he fell in love with the stranger that he was wishing would find him one night and after she found him, she didn't seem like a stranger at all."

How do you know? Oh, yes, we all, when we were children we were dreaming to meet some dream prince or princess similar to one which is described in some novel.

Well, people I have not been to this thread for long. But it seems you are correct with many suppositions, sometimes I would suppose the same. I don't quote every supposition of every person. But you are doing good work. Yesterday I watched new Sherlock Holmes film, and it seems you are doing the same as this famous detective. Lol. Now the only last part is left, to find the traces of where MJ is now. I hope you get what I mean, I don't want to disturb anyone's feelings. You did good work, continue your Indiana Jones quest.
 
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