Michael's music seems to be the map.
AllforMJ first of all, I want to join mystygirl in thanking you for beginning this discussion. Its the kind of thing that on my own I think I notice something here or there and try and let it go figuring its all in my head, then coming across this thread and feel like, 'well, maybe there is some sense in what I''m perceiving or at the very least ok, I'm not alone' lol and I find it interesting that although we all hear some differences everything does still seem to line up for all our 'versions' of what appears to be a 'storyline'.
I did watch both and its amazing the difference. Hard to put in words but once again I'll just say, its clear that MJ was very much enjoying himself whereas in the first one he was clearly working.
Not that I'm saying he made it look 'hard' or like 'work', its just that his energy and attention in the fist one is so intense and in this one it seemed that he not only was out to entertain masses but this time he was also out to entertain himself.
He really did put a LOT of feeling into the second one too. The first one seemed to contain a bit of anguish. He repeated, 'its a heart ache' and crying like a baby, ya know the little whiney sound when he says, 'all my life, all my life' - its painful. The new one he's just delighting in the feelings he's singing and hearing being sung and he's playful throughout the entire thing. It also looks like he was ready to really wanting to touch someone, really much. He did a lot of touching in the new one whereas in the older one he's pretending to touch her and never quite does it. In the new one he's having an absolute blast.
You are very welcome, STATEofSHOCK. Very welcome. Glad you are still having fun in it!
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Hey! :wild: Ya know what you said about MJ's music being a map? This is so true! His music is the map and this is why we all have been able to travel through it with him leading/singing the way. LOL
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Here is an example...
Near the end of the first video you watched of his rehearsal for "I Just Can't Stop Loving You," he told the person sitting in front of the stage, "...I want to just turn around and discover that she's gone...cause it gives me somewhere to go for the front of "She's Out Of My Life." I can walk my way there..."
See that? He's revealing that he is traveling through the music! He walked from "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" to "She's Out Of My Life!
Now, the journey is continuing on, but this time when he traveled through "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" he was feeling happy and he did not go to a place where he was showing that she was gone. Instead, he was showing with his playfulness that she was not gone. Because she was not gone, and he was happy about it, he finished the song.
He was having so much fun during the new rehearsal! And yes, I agree! He did a lot of touching in the new one! He did it like he was saying "I gotchu now, girl!" LOL
Personally, I cannot thank her enough for such a wonderful gift this thread has been to those who believe MJ truly had a "special lady" and to those who believe he had a "special someone" in his mind.
P.S. Uhh, about the birth of this thread and the closing as well as the reopening of it, I gladly accept corrections needed; especially from you, AllForMJ, the one who began it all.
Glad you are still enjoying the thread, mystygrl, and it's nice seeing you.
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That is what I mean by when we get ahead of God we can end up causing trouble for ourselves, cause ourselves unnecessary pain, AND hurt others, as well. I believe he loved Lisa Marie but perhaps the "timing" for him to marry someone was wrong, for God still needed time to heal MJ in areas in him that involved past wounding that God knew would get in the way of having a successful marriage. His taking off for six months was his way of handling the pain and turbulance in his marriage, and this is an indication that he didn't know how to deal. Running from the pain was probably a pattern for him already established in his life due to past experiences. It would take God's healing to break that pattern. But MJ was not ready for that healing by the time he married Lisa Marie, and God would know that, but allowed the marriage, like you say, Victoria, because God gives us the choice. Lisa Marie was hurt in the relationship, and Michael was hurt in the relationship, too. But God could have turned that for good in Michael's life when later on he reflected on the relationship. He might have learned a thing or two about himself, making him more ready for relationships later in his life.
Moving away from Lisa Marie and back to the girl of this thread...
Michael was a human male. Yes. And I would guess his LITD is a human female. Therefore, they were both capable of making wrong decisions in their lives, being at times unfair, unreasonable, selfish, foolish, and all the things us humans can be like off and on in our lives. Michael was no doubt capable of hurting her, and she was no doubt capable of hurting him, too. His lyrics speak of his being hurt by her, or her actions at least. And yes, maybe she was hurt somehow by his actions in the past, too. It's very, very possible. It's human stuff.
Linda made a point in a post of hers in here once to stress that Michael is a human being. It was cute the way she did it. Don't we want him to be a human being? Then he, like us, would have maybe hurt others at times.
Uh-huh. It seems like after going through the marriages and the hurt he started protecting his heart while also still yearning for a certain someone. The years that he's been singing to her between '03 and '09 which are the years when the tone of the love songs softened seems to be the amount of time that it took for him to realize how much he wanted her and that he needed her in his life while he was working on turning his life around.
MJ and Will.i.am on Access Hollywood (listen to the music that is playing from 1:02 to 1:20. After listening to it click pause and then click on the below link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nWCY_y6u9E
This is the full song that they are listening to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TevJYvwXiMg
Isn't it interesting how what is being said in this song matches much of what you are saying? .
Wow i haven't been here in a longggg time. I really have some catching up to do in here
Hi MJbabe21! Long time no see! *hug*
I love this thread and i lurk over it without ever posting anything. So i just wanted to come out of my hiding spot and say hi to you all. Its great reading, got lots more to read..
helen.
Hi Helen aka crazy4umjackson! Welcome and it's nice that you're enjoying the topic!
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God did not have his/her hand in either of these Marriages. But other people and other things surely did.
These were not marriages based on the ideals and committments Michael wanted for himself. How do I know this? Because with both of these marriages, Michael continued to yearn, long and sing about the love he really needed and wanted. A man who is married and should be showing signs of pure bliss and happiness in ALL expects of his life but who clearly was not, reveals a man still searching and unsatisfied with what was before him.
Yep! And it was when he knew that God had stepped in to help out with things that we started hearing love songs like "The Way You Love Me" which has the line "I thank the Heavens above that I met you" and the line "You came in time."
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By the way, hello, Moddie!
yep a sigh was definately there. i always have fun with u guys on this thread!
Never leave God, 8701girl. This world gets harder to deal with without Him.
Also, don't forget because of the beautiful gifts that God has placed in MJ, you now have friends all over the world.
