barbee0715;4124690 said:
You know, I can't disagree with that. It was the settlement rather than the allegations themselves, that destroyed everything. Eventually Including Michael himself.
This is really hard to talk about. I just will never get over this.
But what if MJ had lost the civil trial? Did you think about that?
the Judge was clearly biased. His decision to allow the Chandlers have a trial within just 120 days and forcing MJ
to give a deposition and on top of that letting Sneddon get access to the civil discovery was an absolute travesty of justice!
Think about it. The chandlers were telling everyone he was a criminal criminal criminal and at the same time
they were doing their best to avoid a criminal trial we all know why. They even admitted in their book that if MJ wins in criminal court
they would get nothing.
Judge Rothman would have presided over the civil trial. The burden of proof if low. No unanimous verdict is necessary.
MJ has barely any time to prepare for it while his stuff was held by Sneddon and the SBDS.
To make it worse the media was clearly on the Chandler's side and since they were willing to pay anyone ready to
sell some pedo story people like Chacon, Francia, Abdool would have been Chandler witnesses.
This was before the 1994 Neverland 5 lawsuit. But these pigs already backstabbed MJ. McManus would do it in the middle of 1994 as far as I know.
Also, any African American would have natural distrust of the justice system for obvious reasons.
But MJ's case was even worse. Blacks might resent him because he looked white. Whites hate him because well he is weird and black.
Latinos would hate him because he has money and he is black.
Put yourself in his shoes in Jan 1994 with everything that had happened in the preceding 5 months.
Would you believe that you could get a fair trial?
Wouldn't you be afraid that Sneddon might get an indictment later on having all the advantage of knowing your defense strategy?
Honestly, I would have done what MJ did. It was the lesser of two evils.
When it comes to MJ we saw how people just lose their morals and start to see dollar signs. There were two people on the 2005 jury who wanted to profit from
a guilty verdict and were ready to convict him despite the avalanche of evidence that the Arvizos were rotten to the core.
One of them actually made the argument that he doesn't think MJ could spend 365 days in bed with Brett and do nothing but watch TV.
And that is such a good example how someone can get screwed up in court by even something a defense witness says!
This whole 365 days nonsense is based on nothing but Karlee Barnes's flawed memory.
In reality MJ was with the Barnes family during the first leg of the tour a t maximum from
June 27, 1992 - to October 4, 1992. I would say it's probable that they went back to Australia when the schoolyear started in Sept.
So that would be about 3 months not 6 months.
And MJ wasn't alone with Brett. He invited 17 year old Gotham Chopra who hung out with him in his hotel room up until he got bored.
Chopra has been unequivocal that MJ was the perfect gentlemen, he also knew the Barnes and would have noticed if something fishy had been going on.
Chopra's presence clearly undermines the narrative that MJ invited the Barnes to that tour because he wanted to molest Brett.
Why would he then invite 17 year old Chopra?
So after those 3 months MJ was not with the Barnes or Brett in particular in October November he came back to the US.
Then he went to Japan in Dec where Brett was not with him.
And then he wasn't on tour until August 24, 1993! The South American part didn't last for 3 months as the Barnes said, it only lasted from October 8, 1993-November 11, 1993 about a month. this is where the Barnes once again joined MJ.
But once again Brett was not alone with him. The two Cascio brothers were there too.
Zonen in his closing argument painted a picture where MJ slept in bed with Brett alone for 365 days continuously
when in reality Brett was with MJ for 3 months in 1992 then again a YEAR LATER for a month and he was not alone with him during either of those periods.
This footage was made in South American in 1993 showing Brett, Frank and Eddie. If anyone had seen this in court they could have seen that molestation was
not part of the menu, as the three boys are completely at ease with MJ and they are clearly having a good time.
[video=youtube;vgo-TFArcK4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgo-TFArcK4[/video]
Of course both Eddie and Frank were first hand witnesses to what happened in South America and they too spent the night in Mj's room not just Brett.
However, the fact that Zonen 365-day alone in bed tale was not challenged by the defense and influenced the jurors in a negative way is an example
of how easily an innocent man can get screwed in court.
Frankly, if I had been MJ, by Jan 1994 I would have had ZERO confidence in the American justice system.
Bad7;4124589 said:
The thing is if Jordan confessed tomorrow you just know the media would barely report it. So therefore the average person probably wouldn't see it.
Evan was a piece of sh1t, tbh. He was a pathetic father. The other thing hater's ignore about Evan and this supposed father who cared so much, and managed to get Jordy away from the 'abuse', is in the Dr. Gardner interview Jordy thanks his Father and deems it the greatest thing to have ever happened in his life that Evan saved him from the supposed ordeal.
“What would you say is the best thing that ever happened to you in your whole life?”
“When I told my dad what Michael was doing to me.”
“Why do you say that?”
“Because once I told him, I knew that Michael would never be able to do that to me again. And when something horrible ends, it’s most likely the best thing in your life.”
Oh yeah. This is one of my favorite part. :crazy
Just a few pages earlier he said this
"Because I was having fun. At the time, the things Michael was doing to me, they didn't
affect me. Like, I didn't think anything was totally wrong with what he was doing since he
was my friend, and he kept on telling me that he would never hurt me. But presently I see that
he was obviously lying."
"You're saying you didn't realize it could hurt you? Is that what you're - - "
"I didn't see anything wrong with it."
He didn't see anything wrong with it but the moment when he told his father he knew that something horrible ended!
I wonder why he only came to the realization on July 16 that what was MJ doing was horrible after all, especially since in May he told Evan
"it's disgusting I'm not into that" - reacting to Evan's question whether Jordan and MJ were "doing it".
I also wonder why he said even on July 16 that he loved Michael and he didn't want to hurt him.
I guess the realization that MJ was horrible came once he told Evan that MJ touched him.
What a highly probable chain of events indeed!
And then this
"What about trust of your mother? Do you think any trust of your mother has been
affected?"
"Well, not because she, as people would say, she wanted to pimp me out. More because of
maybe, I tried to tell her one time and she didn't believe me."
"When was that? Do you remember?"
"No."
"How do you feel about that?"
"I feel that if there's any remote, itty-bitty thing in your mind that your kid may be getting
hurt, you should put an army together, you know, if there's a suspicion as strong as that, that
my Dad had carried out this far. She should have at least listened to what I had to say."
Numerous problems with this, and Jordan keeps insulting everyone's intelligence:
1. Jordan, who even on July 16 was reluctant to tell his father -- who clearly wanted to hear that MJ did something sexual --
earlier tried to tell his mother but she didn't believe him. (June never said such a thing by the way)
Shouldn't he have been glad that his father was more than happy to listen and grab the opportunity right after Evan first asked him?
2. Since he didn't think anything was wrong with it I guess he wanted to break the good news to June:
hey MJ is molesting me but it's fine, nothing is wrong with it I just wanted you to know.
3. He wanted to tell her what MJ was doing because he did think something was wrong then despite that he still happily went back to MJ
instead of visiting his father on weekend.
4. Even though he didn't think anything was wrong with what MJ did he still blames his mother for not doing anything when she
suspected that he was being hurt. Well if he didn't show any sign of being hurt why the hell should June have suspected that he was hurt?