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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
View a corpse to...what? I seriously still don't get what those idiots are trying to imply. Even if there was a corpse to be viewed... then what? Not sure how it would help anyone with anything. It's not gonna help the three liars with their "case".

Also, I really doubt there is anything left, as macabre as that sounds.



I had no idea about that. That is no good! That could mean all the videos with the facts in them but for us more importantly all the great videos can be removed forever.



I'm missing something here :) what's this about?
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Evan Chandler was screenwriting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood:_Men_in_Tights
 
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ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
I will try to explain it...

You know that no fan and no Youtube-Uploader own the copyrights on any MJ matirial, right?

I'm not an expert...but when Artikel 13 comes it will get very hard in general for everyone to upload and share matirial on platforms publically for which they don't own the copyrights for.
Cause with this law the rightowners of any matirial get the right to sue the platform directly (like Youtube, Instergram, twitter, facebook, forums) when someone share or upload there this "forbidden" matirial.
The platform maybe will then afterwards try to sue the "offender" to get the money back they lost.
It is difficult for me to imagine how platforms like facebook, instergram, twitter and others will react when this law comes.
Maybe they will instal expensive uploadfilter like youtube have done this but we know that no uplaoadfilter is good enough to reconize everything.
For youtube itself the reaction can be very awful cause they simly have not the time, the capacity, the delight and the money to fight multible lawsuits with rightowner and their users where they often can't find out who the person behind the nickname is.
So they must make it as sure as possible that noone uploads matirial on youtube for which they don't have the copyrights for.
One possibilty can be that they close every "small" channel with under 250 000 subscribers and make special contracts with all bigger channels which have the money to pay copyrights liceances and promise Youtube that they don't upload matirial where they don't have the rights for.
Another idea could be that every video uploader must themself register with their passport that YouTube gets always the possibility to sue the user when Youtube gets trouble for his upload matirial.

How ever the situation wil be when this law comes you can imagine that Michael Jackson Videouploads on Youtube will get very rare besides the tabloidstuff cause to make an upload without the licence will be very risky or impossible.

I hope that we don't lost all the beautiful MJ staff which people already uploaded in the last 11 years.

Please don't get panic now. There are many people who already fight against this law cause they want that youtube stays the same.
And the law can come in a much lighter version.
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There will probably be exceptions for non-commercial use.

This is being discussed by the EU. (So is not worldwide). According to this article, 11 EU countries disagree with the wording, and all of the major platforms (Google, FB etc) also disagree, as it would be their responsibility to identify any 'copyright breaches' etc under the law.

The EU will be holding MEP elections in May, and many country representatives could change.

As you rightly say, there is no need to panic....or even mention it, really.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/wha...ean-directive-on-copyright-explained-meme-ban
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gloria Allred Firmly Believes Michael Jackson Was a Child Molester <a href="https://t.co/ebCbdyMYLX">https://t.co/ebCbdyMYLX</a></p>&mdash; TMZ (@TMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1093200158869737475?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let this be our opportunity to remind the world of Gloria Allred&#39;s glorious history with Michael Jackson! <a href="https://t.co/u4PTrTD4iR">pic.twitter.com/u4PTrTD4iR</a></p>&mdash; Justice for The Falsely Accused (@JuliaBerkowitz1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaBerkowitz1/status/1093243660223893506?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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myosotis said:
There will probably be exceptions for non-commercial use.

This is being discussed by the EU. (So is not worldwide). According to this article, 11 EU countries disagree with the wording, and all of the major platforms (Google, FB etc) also disagree, as it would be their responsibility to identify any 'copyright breaches' etc under the law.

The EU will be holding MEP elections in May, and many country representatives could change.

As you rightly say, there is no need to panic....or even mention it, really.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/wha...ean-directive-on-copyright-explained-meme-ban
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I must tell you that you have not the actual update on this.

When you can understand german,
watch this video: https://youtu.be/fBhhf0yNWT0
(I could not find a actual good one in english.)
It goes in next voting with this law on friday and they wanna pass it til may before the elections take place.
But I don't wanna go further off topic now with this.
Lets see what happen in the next weeks.
 
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ILoveHIStory;4239984 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gloria Allred Firmly Believes Michael Jackson Was a Child Molester <a href="https://t.co/ebCbdyMYLX">https://t.co/ebCbdyMYLX</a></p>&#8212; TMZ (@TMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1093200158869737475?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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That man hating/MJ hating/Satan kissing B:censored: makes my blood boil!:banghead::banghead::banghead:
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terrell said:
Radaronline is a pack of liars. This is not MURDER case and even then it is not easy to get a corpse viewed.
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Radar Online is full of so much bullshit, I won't even waste my breath on them. One has to have an IQ of a rock to believe anythng they write. Or anything The Sun writes. Don't read that garbage and don't give them clicks and ratings. If you see the headline is negative. Ignore it. That's the best defense.

KOPV said:
Hey so, my younger sister in laws are MJ fans (thanks to me) and are starting to deal with questions and stuff at school. They are the ones that actually told me about the radar story..

I told them that the next time we spend time together I'll go over the details and answer questions they have so when people question them, theyll have knowledgable responces.

Any tips as to ways I could explain the details 93-present without jumping into an overly extensive lecture? Lol.. I'm sure I'm not the only one that finds themselves over explaining because of passion , getting myself in rebut holes that are on topic (but kinda not) because there are hundreds of 'mini points' while telling a story..

My ADD kicks in and I just go off sometimes..

They are teens and I want to make sure I keep it interesting enough where they stay engaged.
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Basically the short version....A boys father tred to blackmail Michael but since MJ didn't pa, they went public with the allegations which le to the police raids. MJ was in the miiddle of a world tour so he was advised to settle the case. The bo'ys family took the money and ran. End of part one. In 2003 MJ was helping a cancer patient and invited the whole faily to his home. After MJ finally started distancing himself from after the Bashir thing, the came up with false allegations. So false that the D.A. had to change dates on the charges after first making them because MJ wasn't even in California when he supposedly had abused Gavin. Another police raid, FBI investigation, trial.....MJ was found innocent. End of part two. Wade wants to direct Circque du Soleil's One and contacts the Estate. They refuse to give him the job. Wade then sues the Estate for money because he then all of the sudden "realizes" he was abused by MJ. James sees in the media that Wade is suing for money and suddenly realizes he was abused too. Their case is dismissed. No money. Wade and James make a documentary to make money.
 
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KOPV said:
Gloria alred, this message is for you: https://youtu.be/1wW2xRZHo-A
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YES! She has no credibility, so she doesn't count. Every time I see an accuse on any other cases, that Allred character is right there. Something must have happened in her life earlier to make her hate men. My question is this: If that was the case, why is she trying to look like one?
 
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Yeah thats why she walked away from the chandlers ? attention seekers whos careers are based on been media whores. Who cares. Some things really arent worth posting unless you wanna drive yourself mad
 
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Is that last one from Good Morning America about the FBI investigation new?? Or from when is that?? That is a REALLY good video that everyone should see!! We need to spread that everywhere!!!

 
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Allred has always been an advocate for victims but in turn with noteriaty, it put her in position to let that get to her head and she thinks she can profile a preditor easily.. even when shes wrong!

She thinks aggression, loud mouth speaking, and a highly opinionated attitude makes her a 'strong' woman... it does not at all!
 
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Surely as it gets closer for this crap doc to air, The Jackson side is going to go HARD at exposing these 2 parasites credibility. Not seeing how they wouldn't be hitting over our heads that these 2 "accusers" are huge scumbags that have been about the money and not any sort of justice.
 
... and what a connection...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let&#39;s also not forget that <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GloriaAllred?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GloriaAllred</a>&#39;s daughter was representing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HarveyWeinstein?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HarveyWeinstein</a>..... <a href="https://t.co/k047NUnxcz">pic.twitter.com/k047NUnxcz</a></p>&mdash; KerryWard (@FallAgainMJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/FallAgainMJ/status/1093245312494374912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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Taj's Interview for a brazilian tv channel

 
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And I keep seeing websites throwing around words like "shocking MJ documentary and how to watch it." first of all it's not shocking it's a ****ing joke and you really don't have to give us tips on how to best see it. Why is nobody in the media at the moment in their right mind? Seriously. Why is nobody questioning it, you'd think at least a few or at least one of those sources would have the decency to stay objective?
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
And I keep seeing websites throwing around words like "shocking MJ documentary and how to watch it." first of all it's not shocking it's a ****ing joke and you really don't have to give us tips on how to best see it. Why is nobody in the media at the moment in their right mind? Seriously. Why is nobody questioning it, you'd think at least a few or at least one of those sources would have the decency to stay objective?
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At the moment? I think it has always been like that.
 
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ILoveHIStory said:
Taj's Interview for a brazilian tv channel
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Can someone translate what taj was asked and his response in English?
 
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mano said:
What are the dutch fans going to do? I'm a dutchie as well, so if I can be any help? Tired of this *** media scam.
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Honestly I don't know yet. I've never had to do such a thing before. Tomorrow I think it's a good start to look at the website of VPRO and see who we can contact about it. If they even give a shit really, which I doubt. It will get them tons of viewers, viewers who typically read tabloids too and love it.

It's probably best to keep things as short as possible, short but sweet. So cold hard facts about Robson especially. Sadly we have very little on Safechuck. I think we should let them know that Robson had been defending him through and through in 2005. During the trial, cross examination etc where he kept denying it. Maybe send that youtube link of him at that USA talk show where he says once again MJ didn't ever do such a thing and he came off very sincere and honest there too.

We can bring up Cirque du soleil, estate denying him the job, him suing them and all of a sudden because he now has kids of his own realizing how wrong the abuse was. We can perhaps link to Vindicatemj.wordpress.com about his incredibly contradicting stories? We can mention that some things in the doc are based on that disgusting book by Victor Guiterez maybe? Maybe that's too much info, we need to keep it to the point.

But honestly I think they won't give a damn.
 
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Now I'm reading "articles" that the Jackson family were worried that Michael was grooming Blanket! And "reports" that they're going to exhume his body to look for DNA evidence.

This is getting really bad. I don't know how much more of this I can take :(
 
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Wow, all the usual people are coming out for this (Diane, Gloria, etc.)! I'm not surprised.
 
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MJJ'slilgrl said:
Now I'm reading "articles" that the Jackson family were worried that Michael was grooming Blanket! And "reports" that they're going to exhume his body to look for DNA evidence.

This is getting really bad. I don't know how much more of this I can take :(
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It's a journalistic 'race to the bottom'. They've all got the message that there is no defamation law that applies to the deceased, so they don't care what they say. Plus they've realised that an audience habituated to clickbait is 'addicted' to clicking, hence the number and 'level of disgustingness' of their stories. They are making up anything they want to. It's an interesting insight into how 'low' journalism will go....and not just on this topic. Remember this when they are telling political and other stories in the future.

All of these journalists have what is laughingly known as a 'career'. They are creating their own CV's for their next leap up the greasy pole. They have plenty of incentives to lie...always look for who will benefit. I bet their advertisers are lapping this up.

The only thing to do is not click, not buy, take note note of who advertises with them, and don't buy their products.

And take plenty of breaks from the internet.

1 million lies does not make a truth. I hope this barrage will be noticed by the appeal court judges, and I hope that it rebounds on R and S.
 
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Carmour260 said:
YES! She has no credibility, so she doesn't count. Every time I see an accuse on any other cases, that Allred character is right there. Something must have happened in her life earlier to make her hate men. My question is this: If that was the case, why is she trying to look like one?
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Yet when asked about that blonde headed teacher who had sex with teenager and it was proven this teacher did it and she admitted it, Gloria avoided answering her thoughts on the case. That was my eye opener that she hates men. Gloria also had a late term abortion so some can say she MURDERED a baby. Witch.
 
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MJJ'slilgrl said:
Now I'm reading "articles" that the Jackson family were worried that Michael was grooming Blanket! And "reports" that they're going to exhume his body to look for DNA evidence.

This is getting really bad. I don't know how much more of this I can take :(
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Notice all of this is from trashy papers and sites.
 
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MJJ'slilgrl said:
Now I'm reading "articles" that the Jackson family were worried that Michael was grooming Blanket! And "reports" that they're going to exhume his body to look for DNA evidence.

This is getting really bad. I don't know how much more of this I can take :(
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Of course you know this is bulls#$&!!!
 
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It is pretty stupid to claim he was grooming his own son when his children can defend him.. the "he was too young to know what was going on" goes only so far..


It's crazy the legs stories have.. these type stories will only make it easier to call put BS.. people can be dumb but they are not as gullible as people used to be. There is the internet now.
 
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I do everything I can not to read Youtube comments. It makes my blood boil.

It's like we are living in the twilight zone. No media care or want to look up anything. All these idiotic uneducated comments about he has to be a predator.
 
Latest news with radaronline as the source, citing "un-named source"

Michael Jacksons corpse may be viewed

"Last month, a new documentary about the life and alleged crimes of Michael Jackson premiered at the Sundance Film Festival.

According to critics and audiences who have seen the film, Leaving Neverland details new and old child molestation allegations against the pop star in a way that engenders sympathy for his innocent victims and seething outrage over the fact that Jackson got away with it all for so long

According to a new report in Radar Online, authorities are considering the possibility of exhuming Jackson's corpse in the hope of discovering vital physical evidence that might link the music icon to nearly a dozen sex crimes.

&#8220;There are at least 11 new victims who claim they were molested and even raped by Jackson when they were between the ages of seven and 14 &#8212; and the list is growing,&#8221; one insider tells the site.

&#8220;DNA samples taken from his remains could prove they&#8217;re telling the truth."

The source says Jackson's inappropriate relationships with children continued for decades -- and his most egregious transgressions would shock even those who always assumed the worst about him.

&#8220;He was abusing dozens of children who were shipped to his Neverland ranch &#8212; including kids in wheelchairs and children suffering from terminal diseases as young as seven,&#8221; says the insider.

&#8220;Jackson&#8217;s home was a pedophile&#8217;s paradise masquerading as a theme park," the source continues.

"He started far earlier than people think &#8212; in his late teens, so his abuses go back more than 30 years and may involve thousands of victims.&#8221;

Many are hopeful that exhuming Jackson's corpse will help to vindicate his victims and forever put an end to the debate over his guilt.

&#8220;Many victims and those campaigning to uncover the truth believe the key to proving the extent of Jackson&#8217;s abuse lies in digging up his remains and scraping it for DNA," says the insider.

&#8220;if Michael&#8217;s remains become part of a new criminal investigation, the Jackson family will not have to be consulted for permission to do this.&#8221;

Conclusive evidence that Jackson is guilty of child molestation would likely result in a civil trial and a substantial payout for his victims."
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A side from that fact that the article and source is garbage:

Is it even LEGALLY possible for Michael Jackson to be criminally prosecuted while death for child abuse even if 100 victims came forward?

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If people really believe there could be a BIG PAYOUT in the end, there could be more crazy people jumping as they have nothing to lose as the dead can not be defamed. This could easily spiral out control completely....
 
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