Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[somewhereinthedark]

Woody Allen's memoirs will not be published because of an outrage. That's exactly what I'm getting at, wait and see when Taj's docu arrives NOBODY will pick it up for broadcast. Not a single network will want to anger the crowd. Yes call me negative, I am but I can't see this going any other way.

Most people don't give a **** but if you ask them the question. What do you think happened between MJ and kids? I'm sure they would say" where there's smoke there's fire. That's how it works. I'm basing this on people and friends (not fans) I know in person who all thought MJ was not guilty before LN, after airing of LN they don't care (they are not muting him or anything) but they say he probably did do it.
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I will try to leave it at this because me feeling negative will lead to me getting banned and getting ridiculed eventually but we can't all be positive and I'm very sorry for that but that's the way I think.

Sorry if I sound suspicious ; but, you seem to dwell on negativity. Why would you ask friends if they think Michael is guilty? I have never asked a single friend, co worker or family member that question, and it has never come up even once. Btw, most people who are ignorant and too lazy to do research will think the worst about Michael. Those same people were never fans anyway.
As for the media, these people have an agenda as they have ALWAYS had- they actually WANT Michael to be guilty. The media, like a lot of other haters have pedophilic FANTASIES about Michael. It is the sickest thing possible but these people and the media WANT these false allegations to be true. For some reason, these people are actually “turned on” at the thought of a child being abused. The media actually salivates about this as others who ENJOYED the NAMBLA references and child porn references in the fraudomentary LN. They will never admit they are wrong even though every intelligent person KNOWS that the extortionists Robson and Safechuck are lying pieces of $@#*.

The bottomline is that none of these people, even Orca Winfrey, believes these liars, they just WANT it to be true because it’s Michael.

 

[Paris78]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you Talun &#128536;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJ2020?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJ2020</a> <a href="https://t.co/nzPqnPCGCA">https://t.co/nzPqnPCGCA</a></p>&mdash; Erie&#128312;&#65039;&#128420;&#128312;&#65039; (@EriettiF) <a href="https://twitter.com/EriettiF/status/1236596371626627072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Anna]

Need I remind you guys that questioning fan integrity is against the rules, so give it a rest please. Not everyone with a more "negative" attitude is a troll or a hater, so don't throw around accusations with no evidence. Not everyone will think like you do or act like you do. And there's nothing wrong with that, as long as it's not bad behaviour. So try and have some more tolerance. Everyone should feel welcome here. Any trouble makers will be dealt with by staff.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Everyone has their own opinions but i'm not the one for negatively. so if I put anyone on ignore it because you or me don't get alone. i'm just too positive and i'm glad have this trait.

 

[terrell]

Sorry if I sound suspicious ; but, you seem to dwell on negativity. Why would you ask friends if they think Michael is guilty? I have never asked a single friend, co worker or family member that question, and it has never come up even once. Btw, most people who are ignorant and too lazy to do research will think the worst about Michael. Those same people were never fans anyway.
As for the media, these people have an agenda as they have ALWAYS had- they actually WANT Michael to be guilty. The media, like a lot of other haters have pedophilic FANTASIES about Michael. It is the sickest thing possible but these people and the media WANT these false allegations to be true. For some reason, these people are actually &#8220;turned on&#8221; at the thought of a child being abused. The media actually salivates about this as others who ENJOYED the NAMBLA references and child porn references in the fraudomentary LN. They will never admit they are wrong even though every intelligent person KNOWS that the extortionists Robson and Safechuck are lying pieces of $@#*.

The bottomline is that none of these people, even Orca Winfrey, believes these liars, they just WANT it to be true because it&#8217;s Michael.

Exactly. Look how Oprah was quiet on Weinstein and how the media still do not report on Roman Polaski. And look at all the coaches in these colleges who abuse over 100 kids and barley get tv airplay like they do towards MJ. That tells you the media motives.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Personally, I have witnessed very little negative fallout from the documentary. But I do understand that that is not universal - there is the positive and there is the negative (as in all things)

However, Michael's legacy is STRONG. It is dented but it is strong.

If we truly value Michael's legacy I feel we should try to combat negativity where we can and spread positivity when we can.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

If we truly value Michael's legacy I feel we should try to combat negativity where we can and spread positivity when we can.

Thank You.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

To be honest there was little bit of negative when the "doc" came out. but like terrell said all of that is fading away. people has woke up from this and only people who still pushing it are people who don't have anything else to do.

a lot of networks and companies has put back Michael on the radio and clothes etc.

Michael been getting support a lot where i live since last year. bless my city.

at this point whoever still believes he's guilty are doing for attention now. also find it wrong that not only they keep pushing this "doc" but they hurting a family as well. a family who still grieving that a family member is gone and not coming back.

like do people ever think who they hurting when they do this stuff? if I had a family member who is innocent and people keep saying their guilty i would be totally hurt and mad about it.

it's all for money and they know it. it's sad and I can believe we are living in world like this now that I don't believe the news anymore. it's getting the point now to get info by yourself then the news. I don't even watch the news anymore not because this happen but just period don't anymore.

Michael was a strong man who handle this only god knows if he would have still been alive if this was going if he was alive today. while it hurts i'm glad he not here to see this.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

-They scream, they cry, they love, they support, they defend, they listen. My fans are everything. -MJ

 

[john13th]

To be honest there was little bit of negative when the "doc" came out. but like terrell said all of that is fading away. people has woke up from this and only people who still pushing it are people who don't have anything else to do.

a lot of networks and companies has put back Michael on the radio and clothes etc.

Michael been getting support a lot where i live since last year. bless my city.

at this point whoever still believes he's guilty are doing for attention now. also find it wrong that not only they keep pushing this "doc" but they hurting a family as well. a family who still grieving that a family member is gone and not coming back.

like do people ever think who they hurting when they do this stuff? if I had a family member who is innocent and people keep saying their guilty i would be totally hurt and mad about it.

it's all for money and they know it. it's sad and I can believe we are living in world like this now that I don't believe the news anymore. it's getting the point now to get info by yourself then the news. I don't even watch the news anymore not because this happen but just period don't anymore.

Michael was a strong man who handle this only god knows if he would have still been alive if this was going if he was alive today. while it hurts i'm glad he not here to see this.

With all the negative surrounding LN you would expect that more alleged victims would come forward just like what happened with Weinstein and R Kelly. But very much the opposite essentially ALL of Michaels child friends have come into defense for like Culkin, Barnes, Feldman, Ribeiro, Lennon, Parker, Zeitoun, Carter, Bhatti, Glanzelius and told a completely different story about their experience with Michael.

 

[PoP]

With all the negative surrounding LN you would expect that more alleged victims would come forward just like what happened with Weinstein and R Kelly. But very much the opposite essentially ALL of Michaels child friends have come into defense for like Culkin, Barnes, Feldman, Ribeiro, Lennon, Parker, Zeitoun, Carter, Bhatti, Glanzelius and told a completely different story about their experience with Michael.

Last I check, Feldman wasn&#8217;t on Michael&#8217;s side anymore and I already added that traitor to my H8T list and my gut knew all along that he would turn.

 

[Glanni]

i seriously never hear anything neither positive nor negative about LN. and i live in the states.

LN is debunked long ago and media only takes it "seriously" in clickbates to generate clicks and views. And people fall for it. That is the only reason why LN was so big in the news last year. The world is interested in Michael. He is one of the last view global superstars. And the most popular. Of course people wanna read if some alligations like that come up.

But my feeling is that LN was the last attempt to make money with MJ. But they failed so hard lol. I can imagine they wont try again. There are no potential "victims" left. So what can they do? They worked hard for LN to cancel MJ forever. What more could they actually do? I feel like after all the trials around HBO vs Estate and the two motherf*ckers WR/JS it will get silent in terms of negativity and abuse allegations.

 

[Amaya]

Last I check, Feldman wasn&#8217;t on Michael&#8217;s side anymore and I already added that traitor to my H8T list and my gut knew all along that he would turn.

Feldman did go to a more neutral stance on Michael, but he still maintains that Michael didn't harm him directly, at least.

 

[Carmour260]

Feldman did go to a more neutral stance on Michael, but he still maintains that Michael didn't harm him directly, at least.

Speaking of which, Corey Feldman's documentary is on tonight, online that is on his website. He's supposed to be naming the names this time around, so let's keep an eye on that

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Felman has big mental health issues. He loves the attention and will say whatever gets him it. He has no credibility.he flip flops more than a pancake

 

[wendijane]

The world is interested in Michael. He is one of the last view global superstars. And the most popular.

Sorry going a weeny bit offtopic but ..........this is all that stood out of your post - it glared at me - very,very bittersweet (although it was a brilliant post!)
Ah , the end of show business as we knew it - i'm sure alot of people miss that.. and i believe that the missing of gentle beloved honest and true presence of Michael in our world overtook those dreadful shady , yet typical negative allegations. Hate didn't win.
..Love did !

 

[MJTruth]

Woody Allen's memoirs will not be published because of an outrage. That's exactly what I'm getting at, wait and see when Taj's docu arrives NOBODY will pick it up for broadcast. Not a single network will want to anger the crowd. Yes call me negative, I am but I can't see this going any other way.

Most people don't give a **** but if you ask them the question. What do you think happened between MJ and kids? I'm sure they would say" where there's smoke there's fire. That's how it works. I'm basing this on people and friends (not fans) I know in person who all thought MJ was not guilty before LN, after airing of LN they don't care (they are not muting him or anything) but they say he probably did do it.

I will try to leave it at this because me feeling negative will lead to me getting banned and getting ridiculed eventually but we can't all be positive and I'm very sorry for that but that's the way I think.

I 100% agree and I've said this from day 1.

Most people I know would probably say they think MJ is guilty but they'd probably still listen to his music.

I DO think that many of those people would have their mind changed substantially if a credible documentary came out and told them the truth about the circumstances around the MJ allegations. The general public have very short memories and they can be very fickle. In another year or two the memories of LN will have faded and they'd be read for the "revelation" that MJ was the victime. The trouble is I don't believe any mainstream network would be interested in showing a pro-MJ documentary. they've had opportunities over several decades to show the other side to the allegations and they have completely failed to do so. I don't see why they would change their stance after LN.

I do hope Taj can get his show out there in the public domain but I fear it will end up totally ignored by everyone but the fans and put on some minor streaming service. Or even worse on a dedicated site run by Taj himself.

 

[terrell]

I 100% agree and I've said this from day 1.

Most people I know would probably say they think MJ is guilty but they'd probably still listen to his music.

I DO think that many of those people would have their mind changed substantially if a credible documentary came out and told them the truth about the circumstances around the MJ allegations. The general public have very short memories and they can be very fickle. In another year or two the memories of LN will have faded and they'd be read for the "revelation" that MJ was the victime. The trouble is I don't believe any mainstream network would be interested in showing a pro-MJ documentary. they've had opportunities over several decades to show the other side to the allegations and they have completely failed to do so. I don't see why they would change their stance after LN.

I do hope Taj can get his show out there in the public domain but I fear it will end up totally ignored by everyone but the fans and put on some minor streaming service. Or even worse on a dedicated site run by Taj himself.

Social media is becoming better than mainstream media. Most people think mainstream is full of it. Mainstream had Joe Biden counted out and now look who is the front runner. JOE BIDEN. Gayle King backlash started on social media FIRST then with Snoop and others on social media exposing Gayle. Michael's side was pushed by fans, fair minded people and people who know his case on social media. Remember it was social media that exposed the LIE of the TRAIN STATION which people like Trevor Noah told Oprah and the media know LN is lies, that is why some attack fans. We hurt these liars in the media agenda MJ. Do not think the media and others do not read it and know what we are saying let alone what people like John Ziegal who speak on podcast and others. MJ is not muted because the media did not try to mute him; MJ was not muted because people on social media was exposing the lies that the media could not dispute fans and people who know the facts with court documents, testimony from COURT, etc. I always say I do not care what someone say out of their mouth when I present them with facts because deep down they KNOW I am telling the truth but they will never admit it. Even when someone tells a lie on social media, We can combat it with the facts under the post. Most people want truth and want to know both sides. This is why I call out trolls when I sense their presence in their comment. So again, I like social media (Twitter, face book, Instagram, etc) better than I do a network which many people may not even turn to watch.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Felman has big mental health issues. He loves the attention and will say whatever gets him it. He has no credibility.he flip flops more than a pancake

Absolutely. He's now saying Charlie Sheen abused Corey Haim and I also read that apparently child porn was found at his house. However, is that true at all? I haven't done any research on Sheen, but when you have someone like Feldman flip-flopping so much in the past....that doesn't help.

Years ago I do remember him on TV saying he knew a lot was wrong in Hollywood and that cops never wanted to hear any other names other than MJ. But apparently years ago he did give many names of abusers in Hollywood. If he didn't change his story so much he would be much easier to believe, now I don't know.

At least he still said MJ never did anything to him after he decided to maintain a neutral stance.

 

[KOPV]

This is a general statement but Charlie Sheen has been accused of being a pedophile for several years. Specifically tied to Corey Haim, I believe the stories started around 2017.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

This is a general statement but Charlie Sheen has been accused of being a pedophile for several years. Specifically tied to Corey Haim, I believe the stories started around 2017.

That I didn't know, barely did research on it. Definitely sounds like it should be investigated then. God Hollyweird is a disgusting place.

 

[terrell]

That I didn't know, barely did research on it. Definitely sounds like it should be investigated then. God Hollyweird is a disgusting place.

This is not limited to Hollywood

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

This is not limited to Hollywood

Oh that I know, it's a very sick world out there.

By the way, speaking of Feldman....his doc didn't happen, did it? On Twitter I read tweets by some angry people that paid to see the doc on the site but it never happened? He said he was about to expose Hollywood.

 

[PoP]

Oh that I know, it's a very sick world out there.

By the way, speaking of Feldman....his doc didn't happen, did it? On Twitter I read tweets by some angry people that paid to see the doc on the site but it never happened? He said he was about to expose Hollywood.

That doesn&#8217;t surprise me.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

-I just want to say to fans in every corner of the earth, every nationality, every race, every language: I love you from the bottom of my heart. I would love your prayers and your goodwill, and please be patient and be with me and believe in me because I am completely, completely innocent. But please know a lot of conspiracy is going on as we speak. -MJ

This quote is 30 something years old and still makes a lot of sense today. I believe all this stuff is plan as well. may god bless you Michael. you are forever innocent.

 

[Amaya]

Oh that I know, it's a very sick world out there.

By the way, speaking of Feldman....his doc didn't happen, did it? On Twitter I read tweets by some angry people that paid to see the doc on the site but it never happened? He said he was about to expose Hollywood.

The site they were going to stream it on was hit with a DDoS (distributed denial of service) attack which shut the site down temporarily. The official site for the movie has a note saying it will be available on-demand for a few days starting March 14th (yesterday).

I'm not sure about Feldman's credibility either, but I don't think anyone can deny that the timing of that attack seemed very... convenient.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Hollywood always been a sick place. look at all the people before Michael and now. i would tell anyone who planning to enter Hollywood to be careful. it's crazy.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I would like to thank all the MJ Advocates all over the world who are still doing their best over here educating and informing even through this difficult time for everyone. Your time and commitment are golden and so appreciated. <br>Thank you. <a href="https://t.co/NFoFOqWEuU">pic.twitter.com/NFoFOqWEuU</a></p>&mdash; HurricaneSalazar (@MikeSalazar777) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeSalazar777/status/1239604049852403714?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[La74]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Corey Feldman&#39;s music manager on his documentary: &quot;There&#39;s no reason not believe what you see. This is not Leaving Neverland. This is a real, true story.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/pIAIKN8tnt">https://t.co/pIAIKN8tnt</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1239666401830252545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>