Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

After his 'Michael Jackson is a paedophile' bit during a recent stand-up tour (prior to Leaving Neverland) many fans took to Twitter to educate him. He certainly didn't back down and in fact began reposting debunked articles he found online, including the child porn at Neverland/FBI files bullshit (as memory serves).

So he's an ignorant idiot after all. So he's smart enough to see how fake Hollywood is, but he can't be bothered to look up actual facts. Like you said debunked stuff. If he can't be smart enough to realize that if actual child porn had been found that MJ would have been behind bars, he's not that intelligent after all.
 
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ChrisC;4281346 said:
After his 'Michael Jackson is a paedophile' bit during a recent stand-up tour (prior to Leaving Neverland) many fans took to Twitter to educate him. He certainly didn't back down and in fact began reposting debunked articles he found online, including the child porn at Neverland/FBI files bullshit (as memory serves).

Even watching “Square Roots” about Spongebob on my Spongebob 200 DVD, I couldn’t even stomach him.
 
Macaulay denied any kind of abuse by MJ for decades now. Still the media pretends like this was the first time. Why are they surprised? The next time Macaulay stands up for MJ will the Media pretend to be surprised again?

Nothing new!

Macaulay repeated old stuff. The truth. People act like this is breaking news. lol

sick world.

Wade, James, Dan, Oprah will rott in hell.
 
After his 'Michael Jackson is a paedophile' bit during a recent stand-up tour (prior to Leaving Neverland) many fans took to Twitter to educate him. He certainly didn't back down and in fact began reposting debunked articles he found online, including the child porn at Neverland/FBI files bullshit (as memory serves).

People like that fool does trash other because they have an another agenda. Let his talke trash. Do not be surprise if he is accused one day. Even the guy who talked to Mac in th airport. he is friends with Johnny Depp.
 
An article excerpt that persuades me that interacting with 'guilters' on the internet is still worthwhile - but also depresses me that popular culture is trying to cement this view of MJ:

Zoë Kravitz explains why High Fidelity reopens the debate about Michael Jackson and Kanye West

What would your favorite music artist have to do before you delete them from your Spotify playlist? That question is at the center of a heated argument early on in Zoë Kravitz’s new Hulu series High Fidelity. Sure, maybe you’ve read the 1995 book of the same name, or seen the 2000 film with John Cusack, maybe even the Broadway musical in 2006 that closed in 10 days, but the Big Little Lies star, who’s also a co-executive producer on the show, made sure to lay down a track that spoke directly to music lovers today.

“We have a conversation on the show about Michael Jackson and Kanye. I had a little bit of a worry of ‘Is this going to still be interesting to hear when the show comes out?'” Kravitz tells EW. “But I think it is! I think with pop culture, even though it’s constantly changing and evolving, if the question is interesting, if the debate is interesting, it doesn’t really matter how relevant it is in terms of time.” ................................

In episode 2, aptly titled “Track 2,” Rob is dragged out of her office while listening to “Loving You” by Minnie Riperton to make a ruling on the record store floor: A twentysomething blonde is trying to buy a Michael Jackson album for her boyfriend. Cherise is perturbed at the notion, calling the lady someone “who clearly has never been on the internet before.”

“How does it benefit society to hold Quincy’s genius hostage just because the dude who sang over his s— ended up being a full-blown child molester?” Rob tells the crowd at full attention. The argument veers into other controversial music artists, including Charles Manson (yup, it’s a thing.) The back-and-forth is a nuanced acrobatic act that could have fizzled, but instead opens up a conversation to have with our own problematic faves.

Yes, High Fidelity is a show about finding love, but it’s also a celebration of our intimate relationship with music as a representation of who we are and what we stand for: The ultimate vibe check.

https://ew.com/tv/2020/02/12/zoe-kravitz-high-fidelity-michael-jackson-kanye-west-debate/
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unless Michael Jackson was some criminal mastermind who successfully evaded the FBI after being under investigation for 13 years. He is innocent and these damned people need to let it rest.</p>&mdash; Emdin™ (@SegunEmdin) <a href="https://twitter.com/SegunEmdin/status/1227512321414660096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also destroys the fake-woke brigade’s fake argument/narrative of, ‘Well, what did people THINK was going on with all these boys? It was OBVIOUS why he was always with these boys’. Fact remains: far more kids who spent time with MJ defend him for free, than accuse him for money.</p>&mdash; Charles Thomson (@CEThomson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CEThomson/status/1227597010829742081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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James Franco was on David Geffen's yacht shortly after LN was shown. I will not be surprised if he was trying to 'recruit' Mac on behalf of the psycho Geffen to be a 'victim'.
 
James Franco was on David Geffen's yacht shortly after LN was shown. I will not be surprised if he was trying to 'recruit' Mac on behalf of the psycho Geffen to be a 'victim'.

Well thing is, several folks have been on that yacht. Including Bruce Springsteen, but I know for damn sure Bruce doesn't have bad intentions. Does Franco have a history of weird shit?

Oh wait, shortly after LN. That photo of the yacht with Bruce, Paul, Gayle, etc was many years before, right?
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4281390 said:
Well thing is, several folks have been on that yacht. Including Bruce Springsteen, but I know for damn sure Bruce doesn't have bad intentions. Does Franco have a history of weird shit?

Oh wait, shortly after LN. That photo of the yacht with Bruce, Paul, Gayle, etc was many years before, right?

I don&#8217;t know, I wouldn&#8217;t over-interpret all those pictures. No matter the profession, people will always network and meet with influential people. In my own field, I have been to a lot of events, and there are pictures of me out there with people I don&#8217;t even know who they are. Of course, everyone knows who Geffen is, but it doesn&#8217;t have to mean anything when someone has been on his yacht or has a couple of pictures taken with him.
 
ScreenOrigami;4281392 said:
I don&#8217;t know, I wouldn&#8217;t over-interpret all those pictures. No matter the profession, people will always network and meet with influential people. In my own field, I have been to a lot of events, and there are pictures of me out there with people I don&#8217;t even know who they are. Of course, everyone knows who Geffen is, but it doesn&#8217;t have to mean anything when someone has been on his yacht or has a couple of pictures taken with him.

Agreed! That was precisely my point. Oprah and Gayle on Oprah's birthday watching LN however is a entirely different story. I would also say Weinstein is a different story too, but not completely. I bet there definitely are celebs out there that weren't in the know about his dirty business, but of course plenty that did know and decided to not say anything.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4281402 said:
Oprah and Gayle on Oprah's birthday watching LN however is a entirely different story.

Absolutely! I still can&#8217;t get over why anyone would want to celebrate their birthday with a movie like that. That&#8217;s creepy any way you look at it. :scream:

And photos from an event like that do speak volumes. That&#8217;s not something you get yourself into by accident.
 
What should we do about the Man in the Mirror?

OPINION: It's been nearly a year since the shocking documentary Leaving Neverland confirmed what most of us had already suspected - that Michael Jackson was a systematic paedophile.

The response to this well-established narrative was fairly consistent: no more Beat It played on podcasts and in parties around the world. Album sales and US radio airtime dropped. The Jackson songs we were used to hearing in public places and retail areas were removed from playlists. While some fans adamantly refrained from such drastic actions, there was a widespread click on pause for the music of one of the modern world's greatest musicians.

I must admit, I miss his music. For some reason, I remember the last time I heard Jackson's tunes wafting along public airwaves. It was at the supermarket at 9pm; the doldrums of throwing Weet-bix into my trolley were blown along by the bold rhythms of Rock with You. Endorphins surged as I headed into the frozen food section, full of the contagious energy Jackson magicked up for more than four decades of music-making.

But the detail, conviction, and integrity of Jackson's victims' accounts of the abuse they endured over several years was compelling enough to make me turn his music off, at least for a while.

Since much of the world is not listening anymore, I wonder if it matters. And more broadly, does it really matter what we think of the artist when their art is so good?

Take the French painter Paul Gauguin. After deserting his wife and five kids in Paris, he ended up in Tahiti and the small Pacific Island of Hiva Oa. He married three young brides – all below the age of 15. He painted them too, beautifully, erotically, masterfully, all while infecting many of the local girls with syphilis and having nightly parties in his Tahitian home, dubbed the House of Orgasms. It's hard to look at his painting Three Tahitian Women outside of this telling backdrop.

Is this piece of extraordinary art, or Bill Cosby's ground-breaking, African-American themed comedy series The Cosby Show, or Harvey Weinstein-produced films like The King's Speech and Shakespeare in Love, or – ouch – closer to home, wife-beating, serial-adulterer Barry Crump's book A Good Keen Man ... do these rich contributions to life deserve none of our attention because of the unforgivable behaviours of their deeply flawed, misogynistic creators?

We are, after all, complex creatures. We are all made up of varying bits of good and bad, creative and dull, tense and calm, colourful and plain, skilled and clueless – few of us sit at the ends of the trillions of continuums that make up our multi-layered, labyrinthine selves.

And so it goes that "great art can be made by terrible people," as Greg Tate of The Guardian argues in response to Jackson's apparent crimes, and "that believing an artist automatically embodies goodness because we like their work is a dreadful mistake".

Then there's John Lasseter, another fall-out from the effective #MeToo movement that exposed Weinstein's and many others' exploitative behaviours, legitimised in the world of movie-making. Lasseter, who brought the movies Cars and Toy Story into the world, admitted and regretted his sexual transgressions, underwent therapy, and carried out charity work, but was told, in the end, that there was no longer a place for him in Pixar's executive team.

In Lasseter's letter accepting that decision, he asked an important question: how could a man in his position ever redeem himself?

Like many other abusive and brilliant men in the arts, Jackson can no longer redeem himself. But his estate can, and they certainly are trying to downplay the extensive damage that Leaving Neverland caused to his legacy.

Will snubbing Jackson's music and Gauguin's paintings assert my repulsion to abuse and violence while appreciating genius and hard work for what it is?

There must be some middle ground where these complexities, like our multi-faceted selves, can be respected.

Maybe the answer is linked to money. If my enjoyment of the art involves a commercial exchange – airtime royalties, streaming sales, purchasing Jackson-branded gifts – then my money has enabled his posthumous success (and by association, his alleged crimes) to continue.

But if I'm dancing around my lounge listening to one of Jackson's old CDs, can I be doing anyone any harm?

Or maybe the answer lies in time.

RNZ's Kathryn Ryan suggested, in the aftermath of the Leaving Neverland broadcast, that we have a grace period where we don't play his music in recognition of the fact that we respect the hurt and vulnerability of Jackson's victims.

This sounds sensible enough. So now I ask myself: is the grace period over? Can I sing along to Man in the Mirror as I brush my hair or, riskier still, in aisle 8 of Pak 'n Save?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/119353034/what-should-we-do-about-the-man-in-the-mirror


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Macaulay denied any kind of abuse by MJ for decades now. Still the media pretends like this was the first time. Why are they surprised? The next time Macaulay stands up for MJ will the Media pretend to be surprised again?

Nothing new!

Macaulay repeated old stuff. The truth. People act like this is breaking news. lol

sick world.

Wade, James, Dan, Oprah will rott in hell.

I'm with you too.
 
ScreenOrigami;4281345 said:
Well, that’s interesting. I’ll just leave this here. :D
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Three more songs at the Vanity Fair Oscar party: Shake Your Body, Rockin’ Robin, Rock With You. Six MJ songs overall. <a href="https://t.co/bsbq2AneTP">https://t.co/bsbq2AneTP</a></p>— ThatMJLMPfan (@thatMJLMPfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/thatMJLMPfan/status/1226966825713504263?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm not the one for the Oscars but that's great news.

Robbsaber01;4281294 said:
Dave chapelle made that point during sticks n stones standup "If Mj was really molesting all these boys then why didnt he abuse Culkin?" He won a grammy for that "controversial" stand up. Good for him. Culkin could of easily said something during the trial or LN if he believed MJ was guilty. Its clear he has always said the truth.

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Paris78;4281162 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Having a really hard time conjuring up much sympathy here... <a href="https://t.co/5JL8KHuPvW">https://t.co/5JL8KHuPvW</a></p>— John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1226311506058366976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm not the one for death threats. but at this point she know what she doing is wrong and really time for her to stop this mess.
 
ScreenOrigami;4281144 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The irony of people coming to the defense of <a href="https://twitter.com/GayleKing?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GayleKing</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/Oprah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Oprah</a> cause people are attacking their legacy despite all the good they’ve done.<br><br>But the reason people are attacking is cause they attacked the legacies of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/kobe?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#kobe</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> despite all the good they’ve done.&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;*&#9794;&#65039;</p>— Isaac Hayes III (@IsaacHayes3) <a href="https://twitter.com/IsaacHayes3/status/1226218713705218050?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Exactly.

ScreenOrigami;4281144 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Get in order... Y'all did that documentary on Michael Jackson that was false. Y'all doing false accusations on black men but you're hanging out w/ Weinstein; Oprah's former spiritual adviser is doing 19 years for sexual allegations and she ain't said nothing about him..." -Snoop <a href="https://t.co/QprdnQTRc7">pic.twitter.com/QprdnQTRc7</a></p>— TSCM (@MJJRepository) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJRepository/status/1226259910389850113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

(y)

Paris78;4281102 said:
<<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let's get this done.. MJGlobal -- <a href="https://t.co/HaC1640x01">https://t.co/HaC1640x01</a> Post your review, explain with facts, how it's all a bunch of lies. <a href="https://t.co/5FTH8emFfo">https://t.co/5FTH8emFfo</a></p>— MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1225865462342250496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I haven't done this yet. when I get a chance I will give it one star. I didn't even watch it so. lol.
 
Shout out to Snoop Dogg. after all of this i been done with Hollyweird. it's glad to see people are waking up from this mess. oprah and gayle most definitely got a problem with black men. even my mother said it.

whatever happen in their lives with black men i'm very sorry that it did but to treat ever black man like their monsters is crazy and they need to get serious help.
 
PoP;4280988 said:
Snoop is a real great guy sticking up for Michael. He's definitely on my LUV list for sure.

I always liked snoop. shout out to him.

Paris78;4280895 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">20,000 people have liked Mo’Nique’s open letter to Oprah already, she touches on how Oprah supports Harvey Weinstein and not the acquitted and deceased “brother MJ”, please go and support this &#128588; <a href="https://t.co/SQXwF1MR6U">https://t.co/SQXwF1MR6U</a> <a href="https://t.co/cjNbWXDOFJ">pic.twitter.com/cjNbWXDOFJ</a></p>— &#120339;&#120374;&#120356;&#120378; (@kjngofpops) <a href="https://twitter.com/kjngofpops/status/1224530054954307584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

shout out to mo for always expositing oprah
 
Paris78;4280354 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"And I want to dedicate this award to Michael Jackson for Off the Wall, Prince for 1999, Beyoncé for Lemonade, Missy Elliott for The Real World, Snoop Dogg for Doggystyle, Kanye West for Graduation and Nas for Illmatic." <a href="https://t.co/8yX5BLc3xb">https://t.co/8yX5BLc3xb</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/billboard?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@billboard</a></p>— Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1221493943839252482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26. Januar 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“You know why <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> got 8 Grammys? Because they never nominated him for Off the Wall.....so he said yall wanna f**** with me, I’m gonna take yall souls and then we had Thriller.” <br><br>Well done <a href="https://twitter.com/Diddy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Diddy</a> <a href="https://t.co/Zs6RFsqrEM">pic.twitter.com/Zs6RFsqrEM</a></p>— Regina&Roger (@RogerStan123) <a href="https://twitter.com/RogerStan123/status/1221694949831233536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Januar 2020</a></blockquote>
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shout out to diddy. :D
 
It's really sad it took kobe bryant death to people to finally wake up. I mean they was already up but they even more up. i'm glad people are finally seeing the light now. I hope this keeps up and r.i.p kobe and his daughter.
 
I made something. :)

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#128591;&#127998; the MJInnocent campaign <a href="https://twitter.com/Anika_Kotecha?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Anika_Kotecha</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanyKane?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SeanyKane</a> <br>Thanks for leading the charge of spreading the truth through your amazing and effective campaigns. The world took notice. <a href="https://t.co/5yuY20PAtd">https://t.co/5yuY20PAtd</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1228022561910349824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks for reporting this. Wade testified for Michael too in 2005. The biggest difference between Macaulay and Wade is that Mac is famous and doesn’t need Michael’s money. Wade wants so bad to be relevant and has financial problems. <a href="https://t.co/zaNr3CFKnJ">https://t.co/zaNr3CFKnJ</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1227781049712668673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
This guy spirit is pure evil. His day of being expose is coming.

His new documentary is being financed by Kew as well, right? I love it, because things are going downhill fast for Kew.

Karma is catching up to them. Next should be Wade and James. Let these ****ers answer for their crimes.
 
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