Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

myosotis;4266114 said:
From Twitter:

Valencia Dantzler@MotherDivaShow

@tajjackson3 @latimes @blackvoices
I sent this letter to the Television Academy producers of the Emmys according to their submission guidelines Leaving Neverland violates Nonfiction category rules and that is grounds to be disqualified.

Television Academy 5220 Lankershim Blvd. North Holywood, CA 91601
Attention President &CEO Adam Sharp Senior Vice President of Awards
John Leverence ABC Entertainment Corporation 77 W. 66thSt. New York, NY 10023
Attention President Karey Burke
CCd to Michael Jackson friends/colleagues
Reverend AL Sharpton
Political Action Network
Reverend Jesse Jackson
Rainbow Push Congresswoman
Sheila Jackson Lee President
Donald Trump

Re: Disqualifying Leaving Neverland for Emmy Nomination

August 14, 2019

Dear Madam/Sir, My name is Valencia Renee Dantzler aka Mother Diva. I am a talk show host/producer, Madam Ambassador of House/EDM music and community activist. I am the Executive Director of Thrill The World/Gary Chicago we are extension of Thrill The World a non-profit organization that raises money for various charities by performing the Thriller Dance the Saturday before Halloween worldwide. www.thrilltheworld.com I would also like to acknowledge and congratulate Ms. Karey Burke on her new position as President of ABC Entertainment Corporation, she is copied on this email and letter.

This letter is to request that the nominated film submitted “Leaving Neverland”, be disqualified in the
following categories: Outstanding Directing for Documentary/NON FICTION
Outstanding Documentary or NON FICTION (category needs to be changed or reworded)
Outstanding Picture Editing for NON FICTION PROGRAM
Outstanding Sound Editing for NON FICTION PROGRAM
Sound Mixing for NON FICTION PROGRAM

The letter runs to 12 pages, so here is the link to the rest of it:

https://www.scribd.com/document/422...-Neverland-for-Nonfiction-Categories-Campaign

It ends:

I truly hope this letter has enlightened the academy to reconsider these nominations. As for President Burke. I am conflicted with an issue. My television series, “Mother Diva’s House” a news entertainment program was looking forward to purchasing airtime on WLAJ ABC 53 in Lansing Michigan this fall. However now, I am conflicted in my soul. I have asked myself do I want to spend money with a network that will air a program that has a film nominated accusing Michael Jackson of child abuse? You are potentially losing customers. Perhaps me spending money with your network may not mean anything to you because you have other sponsors and advertisers. However, small town affiliates depend on local and regional dollars. There could be thousands of potential advertisers that feel the way I do. Are you willing to risk losing dollars? This letter has been released to the public. I am seeking other networks at the moment. I did look forward to having my series on ABC but I cannot support a network that supports lies. Ms. Burke you also have to take into consideration that Randy Jackson Jr. Michael Jackson nephew is a camera operator for ABC imagine the conflict in his soul. He has to go to work every day for a network that will be airing a program that has nominated a film calling his uncle a monster and a child molester. I am certain he loves his job and wants to continue working but this has put him in a very difficult position. This lie of a film has a domino effect and has affected so many lives in so many ways. I hope the academy takes this letter seriously and investigate the matter further. Based on the information I have provided

“Leaving Neverland clearly violates the Emmys Nonfiction or Documentary submission rules. To continue you on with the nomination process sends a message to all filmmakers that they can submit films in the documentary category that are not based on factual information as long as the film is shot in a documentary style. On behalf of myself as community activist and The Michael Jackson community we respectfully asked the Academy to disqualify this film in all nonfiction categories. I look forward to your decision and response. Entertainingly yours

Valencia Dantzler

Valencia Dantzler aka Mother Diva COOL COMMERCIAL CONCEPTS
MOTHER DIVA’“ HOU“E
MADAM AMBASSADOR OF HOUSE/EDM MUSIC
www.linkedin.com/in/motherdivashow
www.youtube.com/motherdivashow www.twitter.com/motherdivashow www.facebook.com/motherdivashow www.instagram.com/motherdivashow 310-927-8184



It's great, I'd like fans to take the same stance and contact them in the same way.

Clearly Leaving Neverland does not qualify but they just need to be told that enough times to listen.

Maybe the recent release of the deposition video would help them to decide to drop Leaving Neverland.
 
From Twitter:
More about the 'Content Innovation awards' from fans on Twitter:

Kew Media Group @kewmediagroup
Leaving Neverland has been shortlisted in the 2019 Content Innovation Awards for Best Documentary Series

The winner will be announced on the 13th October.
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1. 'AMC Networks International' sponsors the awards

https://tmt.knect365.com/content-innovation-awards/sponsors

2. AMC Networks owns SundanceTV and SundanceNow.

LN was first premiered at Sundance Film Festival, whose co-founder was recently jailed for.... child sexual abuse.

This nomination is not granted or voted by the audience. Just like the disgraced Emmys, the Content Innovation Awards, part of the Videotech Innovation Awards, allows self-nomination.
 
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It's great, I'd like fans to take the same stance and contact them in the same way.

Clearly Leaving Neverland does not qualify but they just need to be told that enough times to listen.

Maybe the recent release of the deposition video would help them to decide to drop Leaving Neverland.

How do we contact these people, do I just use one of the links, I don't have Facebook but I do have twitter, I want to make sure it goes to the right person
 
From Hollywood reporter 16 Aug 19.
Included here so that fans don't need to click the link.

From 'Leaving Neverland' to 'The Inventor': Docs Unmask the Biggest Frauds Onscreen

Creators reveal how they exposed the swindlers behind the cons and deceptions investigated in Emmy-nominated specials: "There's a very thin line that separates the fraudster from the visionary."

If the current era of fake news, manufactured crises and deepfake GIFs hasn't set a river of fraud streaming through your consciousness, it's at least streaming through your TV. Three films on the subject have been nominated for Emmys in the outstanding documentary or special category.......

HBO nabbed four nominations for Leaving Neverland, Dan Reed's examination of grooming techniques practiced by alleged child sexual predator Michael Jackson.

"Michael Jackson perpetrated one of the most high-profile frauds of the late 20th century in claiming he was not a pedophile," Reed tells The Hollywood Reporter. "Simply because you had a rotten childhood does not mean you need to surround yourself with children. And if you do want to surround yourself with children, why would you need to sleep the whole night with them night after night?"

In interviews, pop choreographer Wade Robson and James Safechuck, now adults, recall in detail their childhood emotional and physical relations with Jackson and the complicated reasons why they acquiesced. Vital to the music icon's M.O. was a support system that either facilitated or turned a blind eye to the abuse, including the victims' mothers, who allowed their children to sleep in the same bed as a grown man. Reed attributes such judgment lapses to an aura surrounding certain people that stirs in others the impulse to believe, despite their better instincts.

It takes two people to commit fraud: one willing to lie and another willing to believe. "We're all complicit," says Reed, indicting fraudsters, filmmakers and audiences alike. "Michael [Jackson] received so much positive reinforcement, Lady Diana telling him how amazing he is, President Reagan telling him how amazing he is, everyone is applauding. And he is this amazing performer and a kind of superhuman character. Everyone's making a huge amount of money, and they just got swept along. They sleepwalked through this dream, and it ended up being a nightmare."

(The other films mentioned in this article are: HBO film The Inventor: Out for Blood in Silicon Valley, an exploration of Theranos, the high-tech company that promised to revolutionize blood testing. Nominated for four Emmys is Netflix's Fyre: The Greatest Party That Never Happened, director Chris Smith's insightful look at the infamous music festival that promised pristine model-strewn Bahamian beaches and delivered camping tents in an empty lot lacking food, light and water.)
 
From Hollywood reporter 16 Aug 19.
Included here so that fans don't need to click the link.

From 'Leaving Neverland' to 'The Inventor': Docs Unmask the Biggest Frauds Onscreen

Creators reveal how they exposed the swindlers behind the cons and deceptions investigated in Emmy-nominated specials: "There's a very thin line that separates the fraudster from the visionary."

If the current era of fake news, manufactured crises and deepfake GIFs hasn't set a river of fraud streaming through your consciousness, it's at least streaming through your TV. Three films on the subject have been nominated for Emmys in the outstanding documentary or special category.......

HBO nabbed four nominations for Leaving Neverland, Dan Reed's examination of grooming techniques practiced by alleged child sexual predator Michael Jackson.

"Michael Jackson perpetrated one of the most high-profile frauds of the late 20th century in claiming he was not a pedophile," Reed tells The Hollywood Reporter. "Simply because you had a rotten childhood does not mean you need to surround yourself with children. And if you do want to surround yourself with children, why would you need to sleep the whole night with them night after night?"

In interviews, pop choreographer Wade Robson and James Safechuck, now adults, recall in detail their childhood emotional and physical relations with Jackson and the complicated reasons why they acquiesced. Vital to the music icon's M.O. was a support system that either facilitated or turned a blind eye to the abuse, including the victims' mothers, who allowed their children to sleep in the same bed as a grown man. Reed attributes such judgment lapses to an aura surrounding certain people that stirs in others the impulse to believe, despite their better instincts.

It takes two people to commit fraud: one willing to lie and another willing to believe. "We're all complicit," says Reed, indicting fraudsters, filmmakers and audiences alike. "Michael [Jackson] received so much positive reinforcement, Lady Diana telling him how amazing he is, President Reagan telling him how amazing he is, everyone is applauding. And he is this amazing performer and a kind of superhuman character. Everyone's making a huge amount of money, and they just got swept along. They sleepwalked through this dream, and it ended up being a nightmare."

(The other films mentioned in this article are: HBO film The Inventor: Out for Blood in Silicon Valley, an exploration of Theranos, the high-tech company that promised to revolutionize blood testing. Nominated for four Emmys is Netflix's Fyre: The Greatest Party That Never Happened, director Chris Smith's insightful look at the infamous music festival that promised pristine model-strewn Bahamian beaches and delivered camping tents in an empty lot lacking food, light and water.)

The more I read about what Reed says I'm more convinced than ever that he knows its all crap, I was under the illusion to begin with that maybe he actually believed them through his own lack of research, I now know this isn't the case and I believe that Robson and the other idiot have told Reed and their mother's that they will get a cut of the money that they think they are going to win. I've met some disgusting people in my time but these lot just have gone to a whole new level. I have a scenario in my head of them all sitting around a table discussing how much more rubbish they can come up with to secure a win, it sickens me to the core
 
The more I read about what Reed says I'm more convinced than ever that he knows its all crap, I was under the illusion to begin with that maybe he actually believed them through his own lack of research, I now know this isn't the case and I believe that Robson and the other idiot have told Reed and their mother's that they will get a cut of the money that they think they are going to win. I've met some disgusting people in my time but these lot just have gone to a whole new level. I have a scenario in my head of them all sitting around a table discussing how much more rubbish they can come up with to secure a win, it sickens me to the core

I agree. reed knows and is fully complicit.
 
How do we contact these people, do I just use one of the links, I don't have Facebook but I do have twitter, I want to make sure it goes to the right person
They aren't going to withdraw it now. Final round voting is already open.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Diana Ross a few hours ago singing 'You Are Not Alone' to Miss Katherine Jackson &#128525;. I'm not crying, you're crying. <br><br>&quot;Though we're far apart, you're always in my heart.&quot; &#10084;&#65039;<br><br>We love you <a href="https://twitter.com/DianaRoss?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DianaRoss</a>. <a href="https://t.co/s3awljSizp">pic.twitter.com/s3awljSizp</a></p>&mdash; kapowski (@santikapowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/santikapowski/status/1162629934231277568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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IM SO FILLED with LOVE WATCHING MOM SING to KATHERINE JACKSON. YOU ARE NOT ALONE. We are a family!!!! We always have been @austinbrown love you brotha!! In my feelings right now! So much about this is! &#9829;&#65039; &#9829;&#65039; &#9829;&#65039;
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">August 2019, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JenniferBatten?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JenniferBatten</a>, longtime Michael's guitarist and collaborator, speaks about the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LiesOfLeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LiesOfLeavingNeverland</a>.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <br>Full podcast at: <a href="https://t.co/XEWcpTFF4g">https://t.co/XEWcpTFF4g</a><br>Find out more about the biggest scam of the year: <a href="https://t.co/TnIFZnHZAq">https://t.co/TnIFZnHZAq</a> <a href="https://t.co/ZDqpJVZ9Js">pic.twitter.com/ZDqpJVZ9Js</a></p>&mdash; DespicableDrew (@DespicableDrew) <a href="https://twitter.com/DespicableDrew/status/1162445618037579776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">16. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In 1983 they refused to play his music. Then he re-invented the concept of the music video and become the biggest star in the world &amp; MTV made a fortune from him.He can't defend himself now, but Michael Jackson's accomplishments will never be erased <a href="https://t.co/RctcnrAYFe">https://t.co/RctcnrAYFe</a></p>&mdash; Darren Hayes (@darrenhayes) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrenhayes/status/1162303572320477185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">16. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you &#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533; !! Only when good people take a stand will others listen. I so appreciate this tweet. Saying what many have said to me behind the scenes.This lynch mob mentality has to stop. They have not produced ONE SINGLE FACT. Yet we are the crazy ones for demanding evidence. <a href="https://t.co/FjinNL43IL">https://t.co/FjinNL43IL</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1162213023672459270?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">16. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#65533;&#65533; From 1pm in Los Angeles<br>&#65533;&#65533; From 4pm in New York<br>&#65533;&#65533; From 9pm in UK<br>&#65533;&#65533; From 10pm in - France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Sweden, Denmark etc (Central European Summer Time)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LiesOfLeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LiesOfLeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> are you in ??? &#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533; <a href="https://t.co/Rmy8zE4qkX">https://t.co/Rmy8zE4qkX</a></p>&mdash; Leanne Bywater (@sexydexyflexy) <a href="https://twitter.com/sexydexyflexy/status/1162697242366611456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Beautiful <a href="https://twitter.com/DianaRoss?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DianaRoss</a> sings Michael's 'You Are Not Alone' to the amazing Katherine Jackson just three days ago in Vegas. The pain and injustice caused to this family that basically changed the world is immeasurable!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/NmeW9rtDvk">pic.twitter.com/NmeW9rtDvk</a></p>&mdash; Ika Ferrer Goti&#263; (@IkaFerrerGotic) <a href="https://twitter.com/IkaFerrerGotic/status/1162669319110758400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Love our <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NOPD?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NOPD</a>! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Repost?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Repost</a> This video gives me all the feels! Officer Cramer is vibing to Michael Jackson’s Pretty Young Thing. If you’re having a bad day, watch this video &amp; remember to stay positive, smile, sing, laugh &amp; love life. You’ve made it this far. Keep jamming! <a href="https://twitter.com/NOPDNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NOPDnews</a> <a href="https://t.co/p5YZn20w2k">pic.twitter.com/p5YZn20w2k</a></p>&mdash; The City Of New Orleans (@CityOfNOLA) <a href="https://twitter.com/CityOfNOLA/status/1162143961634488321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">15. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you read transcript of last hearing, Judge Wu and Estate attorney had detailed discussion about whether antiSLAPP would even apply here. Judge seemed to agree with Estate but wanted HBO to explain why Estate was wrong. 1/2</p>&mdash; Punchy (@TruthAndLaw8) <a href="https://twitter.com/TruthAndLaw8/status/1162556936832708608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting that HBO argues that LN was &quot;developed and owned by Amos Pictures&quot; but does not disclose that two executive producers from HBO produced the film. <a href="https://t.co/QlZ9M2Lgfd">pic.twitter.com/QlZ9M2Lgfd</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1162602716171886592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just an FYI re the MJ Estate v HBO. I posted the argument from HBO today, the Estate's reply is due 8/29. (The irony.). I'll be in Vegas on 8/29 but will try to post the Estate's reply that day.</p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1162603147568660485?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Repeat the truth more than they repeat the lies.</p>&mdash; Karen Faye (@wingheart) <a href="https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/1162145982726856704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">15. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">May EVERY lie be unearthed and karma be swift. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WadeIsLiar?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WadeIsLiar</a> <a href="https://t.co/082JkZHqcq">https://t.co/082JkZHqcq</a></p>&mdash; yvette nicole brown (@YNB) <a href="https://twitter.com/YNB/status/1161864979496230912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">15. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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TheChosenOne;4266202 said:
Thanks for posting the THR article. I can’t bring myself to read it though. Lol.

There's a certain irony in one line. I wonder if this is what Reed will claim in his own defence, when HBO loses the arbitration and the film is thoroughly debunked (although he has NO 'better instincts' regarding Robson and Safechuck):

''Reed attributes such judgment lapses to an aura surrounding certain people that stirs in others the impulse to believe, despite their better instincts.''
 
The more I read about what Reed says I'm more convinced than ever that he knows its all crap, I was under the illusion to begin with that maybe he actually believed them through his own lack of research, I now know this isn't the case and I believe that Robson and the other idiot have told Reed and their mother's that they will get a cut of the money that they think they are going to win. I've met some disgusting people in my time but these lot just have gone to a whole new level. I have a scenario in my head of them all sitting around a table discussing how much more rubbish they can come up with to secure a win, it sickens me to the core
Like I keep saying, the more these fools talk, the more they reveal their lies/fraud. And Dan Reed wanting to say MJ is the biggest fraud of 20th century. That is a joke in itself. yet Dan want to say that about MJ yet Dan did NOT put the evidence of Wade/James lies that are being revealed in Lies of Leaving Neverland. he really think people are fools. there maybe some folks who are (and that is becasuse those people have an agenda to dislike MJ-bigots,jealousy,they have demons to hide, etc).
 
Exactly and I'm still confused why people believe LN is anywhere near the truth, after everything that has been shown it batters my head
Because they will have to admit they were WRONG and convicted an innocent man in public opinion.
 
myosotis;4266197 said:
It takes two people to commit fraud: one willing to lie and another willing to believe. "We're all complicit," says Reed, indicting fraudsters, filmmakers and audiences alike. "Michael [Jackson] received so much positive reinforcement, Lady Diana telling him how amazing he is, President Reagan telling him how amazing he is, everyone is applauding. And he is this amazing performer and a kind of superhuman character. Everyone's making a huge amount of money, and they just got swept along. They sleepwalked through this dream, and it ended up being a nightmare."
Reed really is puffed up with his own importance. The only thing i’ll consider him for is the Milli Vanilli Award.
 
They will look bad. This week, this lies of neveland will be across the board. It is picking up.:clapping:

I really hope so, it might shut all the doubters up, but it probably won't unfortunately
 
https://deadline.com/2019/08/michae...l-hbo-sex-abuse-documentary-emmys-1202670029/, this is a news article I've just been reading, it's about HBO and the Jackson Estate but I'm going to apologise because i don't u fully understand it so I don't know what to say the article is about, can anyone who understands all this legal stuff make any sense of it, is it good or bad news

Each court case has it's own thread. This case is discussed in 'Estate vs HBO' in section 'Trials and Tribulations'.

I tried to make the information as easy as possible to understand in post # 151 there...

https://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/142738-The-Estate-vs-HBO/page11

There are some extra comments by the Estate in this article, so I'll add them to that thread.... (Thank you for posting).
 
Alh21;4266237 said:
https://twitter.com/IkaFerrerGotic/status/1162669319110758400?s=19, I've just been watching this, Diana Ross singing to Katherine, if my son hadn't been in the same room as me I would have cried, so nice and I hope this means that Diana doesn't believe all the lies, I haven't heard anything from her
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is what&#8217;s on my heart this morning. I believe and trust that Michael Jackson was and is A magnificent incredible force to me and to many others.<br>STOP IN THE NAME OF LOVE</p>&mdash; Ms. Ross (@DianaRoss) <a href="https://twitter.com/DianaRoss/status/1109492548320415746?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
 
I really hope so, it might shut all the doubters up, but it probably won't unfortunately
That will be there problem. At the end of the day, facts show MJ to be innocent and this Lies with Neverland, doubters had nothing to hold on but bias views and look stupid in supporting PROVEN LIARS. Everyone has haters.
 
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