Staffordshire Bullterrier;4238757 said:
I absolutely discredit all their claims. They sure have proven that they deserve that. Countless of inconsistencies and contradictions in what he said in 2005 compared to 2015 and now in this doc. Basically completely different stories really, I would say it's no better than what mommy Arvizo claimed and her constant changing story.
The things he said about MJ in the opus, in interviews, to him via postcards or whatever the **** it was where he thanked MJ for sharing his sacred land Neverland. I firmly believe without a doubt that MJ never touched these people. That just wasn't him. As Corey Feldman said it, he just wasn't that kind of guy. I find it extremely telling how all of the accusers always had something off about them, something shady. Look, if there had been at least one kid or family that was NOT off, not trying to go for a easy money grab, not having said drastically different things in the past in defense of MJ and now coming out with a ludicrous new claim.... it wouldn't have been so easy to just say I discredit it all.
These two are no better than the Chandlers and Arvizos and I see zero reason, zero, to even consider the possibility that they could be telling truth here.
Amen. I don't defend Michael "because I'm a fan". I defend him because there has not been ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE to thisi day that shows in ANY way that he did something wrong. There IS however a LOT of evidence against ALL of the accusers. Lots of evidence of being unreliable, asking for money, shopping their story, suing for money, and CHANGING THEIR STORIES MULTIPLE TIMES to fit whatever is convenient at that moment. Don't forget that back in the day when Sneddon first came out with the charges saying MJ supposedly abused Gavin "between these dates in CALIFORNIA"....we could IMMEDIATELY PROVE that MICHAEL WASN'T EVEN IN CALIFORNIA DURING THAT TIME!!!! He was in effing FLORIDA!!! And lo and behold, sooner than you could say IT'S A SCAM....Sneddon changed the dates because he knew he didn't have a case if he came with those charges. HE HAD TO CHANGE GAVIN'S STORY TO BE ABLE TO EVEN CHARGE MICHAEL. How "convenient". That is how I knew fr a fact FRO THE START that it was all BULLSHIT! They were just fishing for smething that would stick. ANYTHING: And trust me...they tried E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G but they found NOTHING!!! N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!!!!!!!!! Because there was NOTHING to be found!!! As long as they keep coming with bullshit like "love faxes" as evidence and as long as Wade keeps coming up with a different version every time he speaks, I will keep CALLING THE OUT for AS LONG AS I LIVE. Why? because I believe ini effing JUSTICE!! Has nothing to do with being an MJ fan or not. If you believe in JUSTICE you will NOT let people destroy someone based on HEARSAY ONLY. And we have laws and courtrooms FOR A REASON. Destroying someone in public by using the media based on hearsay is BULLYIING in the highest and most dangerous form. If we all let that happen, then it's "free for all". If there are no consequences, then ANYONE can do that to ANYONE ELSE. If you talk to peple, remind them that they can't apply different rules for others. If their children or they themselves for some reason are targeted with bullying or mobbing at work, they should remember their own words and behaviour. They are spreading it and making it acceptable. So if it happens to them, they better not complain. It's what they wanted. Them judging Michael and calling him a "monster" and a "predator" based on hearsay and some film they watched that provided ZERO evidence or facts is BULLYING and MOBBING and publically LYNCHING a person. They are participating in it and if they don't want that to ever happen to themselves or anyone they love, they better check their own behaviour and FAST. Maybe that will wake some up and make them look at it all differently. I know you can tell some all you want and present all the facts you want and it will not change a thing, but some may listen if you remind the that THEY TOO could potentially be a target of false accusations. Maybe not in the scale of how Michael is being slandered, but it will be devastating nevertheless in their lives. Remind them that there are a lot of children, teenagers and young adults, who commit suicide for this very reason: people spreading lies about them and publicly shaming them for NO REASON just because they decided so. All those who judge Michael are responsible for making bullyinig acceptable.
Gwyneira;4238768 said:
I wonder why no interviewers have asked Wade or Jimmy whether they have thought about his children at all and how this movie might affect them? Seeing as they're fathers themselves.. In fact anyone has barely mentioned them at all?
Good point. It seems they try to justify all this to themselves by repeating (to themselves mostly) that "Michael is dead. This isn't about Michael. We're not trying to mute Michael." but if someone would remind them of Mchael's children WHO ARE ALIVE and who WILL suffer from this and who PERSONALLY KNEW WADE and KNOW what he's saying is BULLSHIT.....it would put them under a WHOLE different kind of pressure. It's called GUILT. the more we pressure them, the more they will show their true colors and will not be able to keep their stories straight, because LYING takes a lot of energy and if your mind is under pressure it#s even HARDER to keep your stories straight. Telling the truth is easy. You don't have to try to remember what you said earlier. Lying gets difficult under pressure. And the more people ask questions, the more they will paint themselves in a corner.
terrell;4238780 said:
Listening to the radio. I LOVE CHARLAMANE THE GOD. HE and his staff went in on Wade and James called anyone who believes this film a naïve FOOL and can not believe anyone who buys into this trash. As he say who is the @#$ can you believe Guys who swore UNDER OATH nothing happen and now that money is involved they do a doc and now you want to believe them? He went in on these fools and his co hosts. One said this is foul on MJ. LOLOLOLL
dam2040;4238781 said:
Joe Vogel has written a good piece for Forbes
Yeah it was a BRILLIANT article!!! THAT is what I call JOURNALISM!! Especially INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM!! It's nice to know that not EVERYONE in the media si rotten to the core! Some still have integrity left in them! GO JOE!!!
dmehta;4238783 said:
Re-posting part of what I posted in another forum:
I don't believe Wade or Jimmy would ever have done this if Mike were still alive. This is contrived to extort money out of his Estate.
However, this saga has only just started. Just wait until it's shown on TV. The media will whip this up, and the general public will understandably be outraged with what they have seen in the doc as it's graphic, completely one sided and Joe Bloggs watching this won't have the knowledge we do regarding their lies and prior behaviour.
Unless the Estate comes out and vigorously expose Wade/Jimmy and their lies, this will escalate badly with calls to remove his music from shops/radio stations/streaming sites. Sony will be under pressure to cancel their recording contract with the Estate, there will be calls for the MJ Cirque show, the upcoming Broadway show and things like Thriller Live in London to be ditched.
It's now or never for the Estate to protect MJ's legacy. They can't hold their nose, release a few statements and hope the furore dies down with things going back to normal. It won't this time. Wade and Jimmy are hell bent on getting what they want. The appeal against their lawsuits being dismissed will ramp up.
The last 10 years have been relatively good for MJ's legacy. Despite the tragedy of his death, there was always drama following him in life that was never-ending. Since 2009, many people have re-evaluated his legacy. Cirque du Soleil and the Broadway shows are proof that people want to buy into his musical legacy and celebrate it. His music sales have been high, his Estate has grossed hundreds of millions of dollars. His popularity has been high. Yes, there have always been many people out there who have continued to believe he was guilty, but there would have been a silent majority out there who would at the very least have given him the benefit of the doubt over the last 10 years, as he was acquitted in 2005.
This film threatens ALL of that. I'm genuinely terrified that this could be the end of us ever being able to celebrate MJ and his legacy publicly. We may be consigned to only being able to listen to his music in private. What an absolute tragedy that would be. Devastating.
I recognise I may be sounding dramatic. I am not in life a dramatic person, however we live in an age where "victims" are always believed and the baying mob want to boycott anyone who is accused of a crime, despite the evidence.
I really hope the Estate recognise the gravity of the situation we are in and have a plan. They can't just denounce Wade and Jimmy as perjurers. They are perjurers, but they have an explanation for that. The Estate need to expose the copious lies they have told in their lawsuits. If the public begin to understand what their motives have actually been over the last 6 years, and the devious tactics they've used to achieve it then maybe public sympathy for them will diminish.
If they don't have a plan then they can kiss goodbye to all of the money they've generated. We can kiss goodbye to his legacy being kept intact.
They would have NEVER been able to do this while Michael was alive because Michael could have sued them for DEFAMATION. Or if they would have tried to sue, consdering both of them ALREADY TESTIFIED THAT NOTHING HAPPENED...I doubt any judge would have allowed it to go anywhere. And even if they would have...Wade and James would have needed to provide EVIDENCE: And I'm sorry but if they would have appeared in front of a judge with these "love faxes" as evidence....no one would have taken them seriously. T-MEZ would have DESTROYED them. There is so much evidence AGAINST THE proving they are lying and in it for money.
Sorry but I can't see how this ifilm will change anything for me. I haven't seen any evidence and I will keep liistening to Michael and proudly say I'm a fan of Michael to who ever is willing to listen. Or not willing to listen. I don't give a rat's ass. If someone wants to believe any bullshit story they hear, I pity them. but it will not change how I feel about Michael.
And also, as Michael used to say...."wait a few days/months and another story will come along and this one will be forgotten". People are all over it now, but the thing with these people is that they are hungry for SCANDALS. Any scandals. They just want to be "outraged". it doesn't matter who it is. They will jump on any bandwagon that comes their way. Now it's Michael Jackson. Next month it will be someone else. Wade and James may get their 15 minutes of fame now but soon they will fade into oblivion. THey can't keep millking this for a long time because people simply won't care about it for that long. After the tenth time people will get bored and tired of reading about the same thing. They can try to milk it for a while but after some time, the story just will be "old" in the eyes of the public. And if they take their "evolving memory" too far, even the dumbest of dumbasses will start seeing through them and realize they are FULL OF CRAP and will get tired of these two clowns. At some point it will die down. We just need to keep fighting until then and bombard people with facts and remind them that it is MOB MENTALITY and BULLYING. And remember that people tend to go with what is "popular". If they see that fans aren't swayed and still listen to MJ's music and if radio stations see that people still want to hear Michael's music, they will let it go. Remember that most of the people who are "keyboard warriors" and calling MJ all these names, aren't really THAT invested in it all. They say things but to have them go march and protest and all that....I can't see them getting that invested. I doubt they care THAT much. Because most of them just read the headlines anyways. They dn't even read the whole articles. So to get them to start some protests....I just can't see it happening. Don't forget that WE ARE out there protesting too with FACTS....they know it.
MJJ'slilgrl;4238785 said:
This is actually a really good idea.
Even though there are some people who will always believe the worst, no matter what, there will be others who will be intrigued enough to do some research.
I don't really want HBO or Channel 4 to get a PENNY of Michael's money. Besides if the documentary is graphic, many might be so disgusted that they wont even watch until the end and will switch the channel or they will be too angry to watch anything MJ related right after it. I think a better I idea would be to show it at the same time on some OTHER channel or a few days afterwards and call it "MICHAE JACKSON - THE TRUTH THEY DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SEE" or something provokative like that to make people watch and then show them the facts and clips of Wade saying one thing and then right after that a clip of him saying the complete opposite. And pointing out what he said earlier and what he said in the court documents and compare it to what he said in the film.
dmehta;4238786 said:
It's not about keeping the story going for the media. The damage will have been done to MJ's legacy. This film will be viewed by a large audience and it will be discussed at the top of the media. People will see and hear these disgusting accusations, and if there is no plan by the Estate to counter this effectively, the allegations will stick. We will have no trial to demonstrate MJ's innocence, there will be no Not Guilty verdict to hang our hats on. We will have had two men describe in great detail on TV, how they were allegedly sexually abused by MJ as children. We've never really had that before, apart from a couple of TV interviews that Wade has done.
Just imagine in a few months time you putting on an MJ song at a party. How will other people react if they're aware of these claims and believe them?
I will play my MJ music and if peopel don't like it they can leave. Anyone who judges someone based on hearsay isn't someone I wanna hang out with anyways. Good riddance. MY opinon.
MJTruth;4238788 said:
according to vulture.com
When questioned about the fans’ rebuttals, Dan Reed says “ I know the reasons why they think that Wade’s lying, and none of them have any validity. It’s just not factual. “
WHAT?!?!?
this guy just killed all his credibility in one.
IF he truly believes what he says then it's concrete proof that he has NOT researched the civil case at all. the only other option is that he is lying through his teeth in the interview to make them all sound more credible.
The majority of fans have done nothing but quote Wade's OWN legal documents and his OWN interviews.
MJ fans need to keep rebutting this dodgy documentary.
Keep quoting legal documents. Keep quoting Wade's own words. Keep linking to appropriate videos or sites like DailyMichael.com
Contact the press editors directly. one day one of them might listen and that could be just enough to blow the lid off this. If we can get one major news outlet to cover the inaccuracies, inconsistencies, lies etc then others may follow the usual "cut and paste" journalism we've all become accustomed to.
That's the only way they can try to discredit us because they have nothing else they can use. Not like they can show FACTS like we do. They try to explaiiin everything with "Well, sexual abuse is complex and it takes victims long to deal with it.....Fans ar ejust defending MJ because they are fans..." Bullshit. No victim of child abuse LAUGHS when asked questions about it like Wade and James did. And no victim keeps PRAISING their so called abuser for YEARS even UNTIL THEY ARE ADULTS. Especially when they claim they KNEW AND REMEMBERED what he did to them. Wade is talking about all of it like he'd be talking about any film project. And James laughing at the abuse victi in the audience with a waving of the hand "Ah, it wasn't your fault." Yeah, haha, it's all SO FUNNY isn't it? They make me SICK!
terrell;4238797 said:
It will not be that easy to destroy MJ legacy. The more this goes on the more people are going to have to look at the other side and more investigative people and journalist will get involved if grows. It is not that simple or easy. See, this situation open many doors to other things from testify under oath; speaking on the dead; unfounded claims that anyone can say, etc. This can go beyond MJ and backfire on these fools. As things cool down, people start to think.
My thoughts exactly. The longer it goes on, the longer Wade, Dan and James will have to talk and at some point someone WILL ask questins and challenge them and that#s when their true colors will start to show.
Very.b;4238820 said:
Thanks this is the first thing that’s made me smile since all this sxxx started.
BRILLIANT! LOL!
SmoothGangsta;4238845 said:
They have zero evidence for any of this so how they see it going well in trial is something I don't really understand.
Exactly. If they go to trial there will also be a CROSS EXAMINATION and that's when the seat will start getting REALLY hot. because remember....unlike when they are talking to the media and can say whatever they want because they know they can't be sued....during a trial they have to bring actual EVIIDENCE if they keep talking about all of these things. There needs to be PROOF. And also...at a trial THERE WILL BE A DEFENSE TEAM ON MICHAEL'S BEHALF asking them questions and pointing out all the holes in their story. Right now they can say whatever they want because no one can challende them and there aren't any legal consequences. They are WELL aware of that. That's why their memory "keeps evolving". Pathetic liars!
