Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

NOTE TO GREEDY: Folks ain't muting Michael!!!!!

Yesterday on my way home from work, one of the guy's who runs a HOT DOG STAND in downtown Manhattan, was BLASTING Michael's music. And when I say Blasting, I mean BLASTING!!!! I started hearing it at least a block away from where the hot dog stand was set up. Folks were walking by, grooving and smiling, but NOBODY was smiling as big as I was.

As I'm sure you all know, Downtown Manhattan is a very, VERY busy area. It was great to both hear and see. I was thrilled!!! LOL.
 
I think the Inquisitr is an irony-free zone....

Since the release of Leaving Neverland — a documentary which chronicles Michael Jackson’s alleged sexual abuse of Wade Robson and James Safechuck from the ages of 10 and 7, respectively — the film has been steeped in controversy. While some believe the movie is an affirmation of Jackson’s affinity for younger boys, others say it is an opportunistic, misleading attempt to cash in on the late singer’s legacy.

If a recent Variety article is any sign, the debate doesn’t appear to be going away. During a panel called “Truth Be Told? Documentary Films Today” hosted by International Documentary Association director Carrie Lozano, the Jackson estate’s lawyers — John Branca and Howard Weitzman — revealed their thoughts on Leaving Neverland.

Branca began by stressing that he is an impartial observer, one with a point of view that is not related to any specific documentary. He then addressed one of his chief complaints about the HBO documentary — that the testimony contained within it is presented as fact.

“No other side is presented,” he said, adding that director Dan Reed had no interest in speaking to anybody else close to the case.

Weitzman appeared to agree.

The pair later suggested that Leaving Neverland is just another example of the media prejudice against Jackson, which they say has been present since the mid-’80s

“It’s like what James Baldwin once wrote (about how) Michael Jackson will forever pay the price for being as successful as he was,” Branca said.

As The Inquisitr reported, the pop star’s former lawyer, Thomas Mesereau — who defended Jackson against sexual assault allegations back in 2004 — believes that, much like the 2004 allegations, the accusations from Robson and Safechuck won’t stick. He called Leaving Neverland — and the controversy which surrounds it — “a temporary blip,” and said that, in the end, it will be forgotten.

When pressed by TooFab for proof of Jackson’s innocence, Mesereau pointed to the previous case that he represented Jackson in, one which lead to the singer being cleared of all charges. Mesereau appears to echo Branca and Weitzman in his belief that the media is out to get Jackson, and that the Leaving Neverland documentary is yet another example of this.

https://www.inquisitr.com/5471210/m...s-blast-racist-leaving-neverland-documentary/
 
I find this remark mind-blowing "Imagine being the child whom a God chooses as his favorite". For anyone who do not know GOD choose Lucifer. And what did Lucifer do to God? HE tried to take over heaven and wanted to be bigger than God and God threw him out of heaven into darkness and he now goes by the name SATAN. Well, Wade/James, that fits you.
 
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Paris78;4258861 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#8217;s a great podcast interview I did with <a href="https://twitter.com/Adam_Fn_Green?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Adam_Fn_Green</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJoeLynch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheJoeLynch</a>. Thank you both for wanting to get the truth out there about Leaving Neverland.<a href="https://t.co/tFbnI1fmdy">https://t.co/tFbnI1fmdy</a></p>&#8212; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1133079174573305862?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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Giving this one more space because it is really an excellent podcast. It aims to cover EVERYTHING from 1993. Lots of talk about MJ. Another link to the same edition here:
http://moviecrypt.libsyn.com/ep-313-taj-jackson

There's also a video version for people who sign up and pay monthly:

https://www.patreon.com/TheMovieCrypt

***The crew are doing a pre-show MJ special (on the above link)on 9th June 2019 which will be free.**
 
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NOTE TO GREEDY: Folks ain't muting Michael!!!!!

Yesterday on my way home from work, one of the guy's who runs a HOT DOG STAND in downtown Manhattan, was BLASTING Michael's music. And when I say Blasting, I mean BLASTING!!!! I started hearing it at least a block away from where the hot dog stand was set up. Folks were walking by, grooving and smiling, but NOBODY was smiling as big as I was.

As I'm sure you all know, Downtown Manhattan is a very, VERY busy area. It was great to both hear and see. I was thrilled!!! LOL.

That's great. :D
 
Yahoo can kiss my big fat "you know what!!!!"

AND Reed is a straight up fool, out there STILL trying to save his "mockumentary!!!"

From the article: "Reed previously accused Jackson's estate of CLOUDING PEOPLE'S JUDGEMENT when it comes to the Billie Jean Hitmaker."

Folks don't need the Estate to "cloud" their judgment. Some folks just happen to know the FACTS/TRUTH!!

But I'm happy to know that Reed knows not everybody is falling for his 2 fake accusers. He thought that everybody was just going to fall behind those 2 liars, and believe everything they had to say, no questions asksed. NOT!

I read almost everyday about different people who said they believed the mockumentary at first, and then they did a LITTLE RESEARCH and their mind's were changed. And if I'm reading those stories, I'm sure Greedy is reading them also. LOL.
So what is he supposed to say. This is not going as he had intended and he knows it.
 
How &#8216;Leaving Neverland&#8217; Upended TV&#8217;s Michael Jackson Anniversary Plans

More than a year ago, the producers at Big Fish Entertainment &#8212; the company behind A&E&#8217;s hit &#8220;Live P.D.&#8221; &#8212; started talking about ways to create a program timed to the 10th anniversary of Michael Jackson&#8217;s death. Surely interest would be high, given the King of Pop&#8217;s musical legacy and the circumstances of his untimely demise.

Big Fish optioned the 2012 book &#8220;Untouchable: The Strange Life and Tragic Death of Michael Jackson,&#8221; by Rolling Stone contributor Randall Sullivan, with an eye toward developing an unscripted series. The company, eager to expand into the scripted business, also found writers to develop a version of the book&#8217;s narrative as a limited series.

&#8220;We worked closely with Randall to identify material and footage and stories that people have never heard,&#8221; Big Fish president Dan Cesareo said. &#8220;People willing to go on record who hadn&#8217;t previously gone on record. We felt we had put together a really compelling narrative that would make a lot of sense for the market.&#8221;

Big Fish soon found a network partner, which Cesareo declined to name, and kicked development into high gear. But then came &#8220;Leaving Neverland.&#8221;

The HBO documentary, which first screened at the Sundance Festival in January, forced networks and producers to rethink their plans on how to observe the anniversary of Jackson&#8217;s death &#8212; or whether to do so at all.

Directed by Dan Reed, &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221; centers on two accusers, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, now in their 30s, who recount in graphic detail how they were sexually abused by Jackson starting at very young ages. The two-part, four-hour documentary aired in March. Since then, many radio stations and DJs have stopped playing Jackson&#8217;s music, and the debate continues over how (or if) to separate the art from the artist.

In the case of &#8220;Untouchable,&#8221; Cesareo said the impact of the HBO doc was immediate. The network that had been developing the unscripted project with Big Fish? &#8220;They suddenly cut bait and ran,&#8221; he said. &#8220;The project was essentially toxic. That&#8217;s the feeling I got. No one wanted to touch it.&#8221;

Ditto the scripted version. &#8220;When &#8216;Leaving Neverland&#8217; dropped at Sundance, we could barely get a return phone call,&#8221; he added.

But that&#8217;s not the only Michael Jackson-related project, timed to the anniversary of his death, that was scrubbed after &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221; came out. According to one insider, producers Scooter Braun and Den of Thieves had put together a plan to re-create Jackson&#8217;s &#8220;This Is It&#8221; concert &#8212; the one the singer had been planning and about to launch in London, just before his 2009 death &#8212; as a major TV special.

The idea would be to bring back the original dancers and musicians who had been a part of &#8220;This Is It,&#8221; along with a rotating cast of A-list guest stars sitting in individually, per song, for Jackson.
The project didn&#8217;t get beyond the early pitch stage, however, before &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221; changed the tenor of the conversation about Jackson in popular culture.

&#8220;They went radio silent shortly thereafter,&#8221; one source said.

Programmers rarely let a major anniversary go unnoticed without some opportunity to target audience nostalgia. This summer, countless specials and documentaries (including one by Big Fish) will recount the 50th anniversary of the 1969 Apollo Moon landing. ABC News recently ran a two-hour primetime special about Farrah Fawcett, who died on June 25, 2009 &#8212; the same day as Jackson.

But ABC News isn&#8217;t planning any similar type of special about the singer. NBC and CBS also don&#8217;t appear to have anything in the works. As a matter of fact, it appears the only new Jackson special scheduled anywhere is ReelzChannel&#8217;s &#8220;The Michael Jackson Story,&#8221; set to air on June 23.

&#8220;In this moment and time, people want to keep a little bit of a distance from this and see if anything else plays out,&#8221; said one network exec. &#8220;For the time being, it&#8217;s radioactive in today&#8217;s world. People are having a hard time separating the human from the human artist. This puts people in a place where they do not want to be associated for the time being with this brand.&#8221;

The Michael Jackson estate is also taking a quiet approach to the anniversary of the singer&#8217;s death, but it said that&#8217;s by design. &#8220;We have never encouraged &#8216;celebrations&#8217; on Michael&#8217;s death anniversary and don&#8217;t do events or shows ourselves,&#8221; estate spokesperson Diana Baron wrote via email. &#8220;We suggest things to fans to honor his life &#8212; and this year we ask fans to pay tribute to his memory and philanthropic work by their performing an act of charity or kindness and posting it to their Instagram or Twitter accounts.

&#8220;When it comes to large celebrations, those are done around positive moments like his birthday,&#8221; she added.

But the estate had been planning on launching something in time for the anniversary: It and Columbia Live Stage were originally set to launch the Jackson-themed musical &#8220;Don&#8217;t Stop &#8216;Til You Get Enough&#8221; in Chicago later this year. Its cancelation was blamed on a labor dispute, and so far plans continue for the musical&#8217;s premiere on Broadway in the summer of 2020. But nonetheless, the Jackson estate has been remarkably quiet in recent months, after its attempts to discredit &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221; didn&#8217;t curtail the film&#8217;s impact.

&#8220;&#8216;Leaving Neverland&#8217; is reconceptualizing [Jackson&#8217;s] life and his personal life but also his work,&#8221; said Dan Reed, the filmmaker behind the documentary. &#8220;Because of that, it may have an impact on the way that people mourn his passing. I don&#8217;t want to take a position where it&#8217;s wrong not to celebrate his life, that&#8217;s an individual choice. Obviously he was a dad, he was a son. But I think &#8216;Leaving Neverland&#8217; blew a hole in Michael Jackson&#8217;s personal reputation. Of course that&#8217;s going to impact the anniversary of his death, which would be planned as a celebration of his life and his work.

&#8220;I don&#8217;t want to say to people don&#8217;t make a big deal about the anniversary of his death,&#8221; Reed added. &#8220;But let&#8217;s just confront the fact that as an entertainer he was amazing, but as a man there were facets to his life that were really unacceptable.&#8221;

Reed suggested an alternate way to mark the anniversary of Jackson&#8217;s death: To take a stand against the sexual exploitation of children, both in Hollywood and in other parts of society.

&#8220;I welcome the opportunity at the tenth anniversary for people to contemplate very seriously how prevalent child sexual abuse is and how easily children can fall prey to beloved, charismatic and much admired and respected figures in the community,&#8221; Reed said. &#8221; It&#8217;s a horrible thing that happens all over the world, it&#8217;s not just famous people. We need to wake up to how easy it is for us to be lulled into a false sense of security. If that&#8217;s what we take away from &#8216;Leaving Neverland,&#8217; then great.&#8221;

Reed said he has been heartened by the impact that &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221; has had in pop culture, and noted that the timing (post Time&#8217;s Up and #MeToo) helped it and another documentary series, Lifetime&#8217;s &#8220;Surviving R. Kelly,&#8221; in keeping the allegations of child abuse by those two entertainers in the news.

&#8220;Any kind of sexual abuse is a topic that people don&#8217;t want to talk about,&#8221; he said. &#8220;I think the Me Too movement and the R. Kelly documentary, they opened people&#8217;s minds to the fact that victims out there might be telling the truth. Sexual abuse is a crime that often has no witnesses and often has no material evidence to support it&#8230; I think [these things] opened people&#8217;s minds that they happen often.&#8221;

And because &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221; was so thorough in telling the horrifying stories of Jackson victims Robson and Safechuck, it doesn&#8217;t seem complete for any other production about Jackson to move forward without including those two or heavily recounting the doc&#8217;s findings. That&#8217;s also why, besides not wanting to touch this &#8220;radioactive&#8221; topic, producers might not want to try and top what Reed has just done. Whether producers or viewers will ever again want to watch a program that celebrates Jackson&#8217;s music remains to be seen &#8212; and is likely very much down the road.

&#8220;There was a [10th anniversary] special already, and it was called &#8216;Leaving Neverland&#8217; on HBO,&#8221; said one reality producer. &#8220;It stole the conversation for a while. Right now, people are in contemplative mode. I think maybe for his 20th anniversary people will consider doing a [Jackson] music special. After the dust settles a little bit, people might be able to separate the music from the individual.&#8221;

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/leaving-neverland-michael-jackson-anniversary-1203235967/
 
So what is he supposed to say. This is not going as he had intended and he knows it.

In my opinion, that's EXACTLY what he said, he just used different words.

OR, he can just keep his big trap shut, which in my opinion, would be his best bet.

He's out here "trying" to be the director, the lawyer, and the P.R. person for himself, and the 2 liars.

Director's usually make their film and then move on to their next project. They are not out there trying to put out EVERY fire that arises. In my opinion, every time Reed opens his mouth, he puts his foot in it. Reed and his big mouth messed up Safechuck's entire "fake" lawsuit, when he tried to explain the Train Station Story. Real Talk!
 
myosotis;4259502 said:
“I welcome the opportunity at the tenth anniversary for people to contemplate very seriously how prevalent child sexual abuse is and how easily children can fall prey to beloved, charismatic and much admired and respected figures in the community,” Reed said. ” It’s a horrible thing that happens all over the world, it’s not just famous people. We need to wake up to how easy it is for us to be lulled into a false sense of security. If that’s what we take away from ‘Leaving Neverland,’ then great.”

So now he's taking the "well, even if the movie isn't true, it's still benefiting society" approach. Huge facepalm there.

The one commemorative magazine that has come out (at least in the U.S.) includes a fairly substantial section about LN, unfortunately. Also, it seems like a lot of places are afraid to carry that magazine; I've only seen it in one place near me. (And this is the Chicago suburbs, so not in the middle of nowhere!)
 
myosotis;4259502 said:
How ‘Leaving Neverland’ Upended TV’s Michael Jackson Anniversary Plans

More than a year ago, the producers at Big Fish Entertainment — the company behind A&E’s hit “Live P.D.” — started talking about ways to create a program timed to the 10th anniversary of Michael Jackson’s death. Surely interest would be high, given the King of Pop’s musical legacy and the circumstances of his untimely demise.

Big Fish optioned the 2012 book “Untouchable: The Strange Life and Tragic Death of Michael Jackson,” by Rolling Stone contributor Randall Sullivan, with an eye toward developing an unscripted series. The company, eager to expand into the scripted business, also found writers to develop a version of the book’s narrative as a limited series.

“We worked closely with Randall to identify material and footage and stories that people have never heard,” Big Fish president Dan Cesareo said. “People willing to go on record who hadn’t previously gone on record. We felt we had put together a really compelling narrative that would make a lot of sense for the market.”

Big Fish soon found a network partner, which Cesareo declined to name, and kicked development into high gear. But then came “Leaving Neverland.”

The HBO documentary, which first screened at the Sundance Festival in January, forced networks and producers to rethink their plans on how to observe the anniversary of Jackson’s death — or whether to do so at all.

Directed by Dan Reed, “Leaving Neverland” centers on two accusers, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, now in their 30s, who recount in graphic detail how they were sexually abused by Jackson starting at very young ages. The two-part, four-hour documentary aired in March. Since then, many radio stations and DJs have stopped playing Jackson’s music, and the debate continues over how (or if) to separate the art from the artist.

In the case of “Untouchable,” Cesareo said the impact of the HBO doc was immediate. The network that had been developing the unscripted project with Big Fish? “They suddenly cut bait and ran,” he said. “The project was essentially toxic. That’s the feeling I got. No one wanted to touch it.”

Ditto the scripted version. “When ‘Leaving Neverland’ dropped at Sundance, we could barely get a return phone call,” he added.

But that’s not the only Michael Jackson-related project, timed to the anniversary of his death, that was scrubbed after “Leaving Neverland” came out. According to one insider, producers Scooter Braun and Den of Thieves had put together a plan to re-create Jackson’s “This Is It” concert — the one the singer had been planning and about to launch in London, just before his 2009 death — as a major TV special.

The idea would be to bring back the original dancers and musicians who had been a part of “This Is It,” along with a rotating cast of A-list guest stars sitting in individually, per song, for Jackson.
The project didn’t get beyond the early pitch stage, however, before “Leaving Neverland” changed the tenor of the conversation about Jackson in popular culture.

“They went radio silent shortly thereafter,” one source said.

Programmers rarely let a major anniversary go unnoticed without some opportunity to target audience nostalgia. This summer, countless specials and documentaries (including one by Big Fish) will recount the 50th anniversary of the 1969 Apollo Moon landing. ABC News recently ran a two-hour primetime special about Farrah Fawcett, who died on June 25, 2009 — the same day as Jackson.

But ABC News isn’t planning any similar type of special about the singer. NBC and CBS also don’t appear to have anything in the works. As a matter of fact, it appears the only new Jackson special scheduled anywhere is ReelzChannel’s “The Michael Jackson Story,” set to air on June 23.

“In this moment and time, people want to keep a little bit of a distance from this and see if anything else plays out,” said one network exec. “For the time being, it’s radioactive in today’s world. People are having a hard time separating the human from the human artist. This puts people in a place where they do not want to be associated for the time being with this brand.”

The Michael Jackson estate is also taking a quiet approach to the anniversary of the singer’s death, but it said that’s by design. “We have never encouraged ‘celebrations’ on Michael’s death anniversary and don’t do events or shows ourselves,” estate spokesperson Diana Baron wrote via email. “We suggest things to fans to honor his life — and this year we ask fans to pay tribute to his memory and philanthropic work by their performing an act of charity or kindness and posting it to their Instagram or Twitter accounts.

“When it comes to large celebrations, those are done around positive moments like his birthday,” she added.

But the estate had been planning on launching something in time for the anniversary: It and Columbia Live Stage were originally set to launch the Jackson-themed musical “Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough” in Chicago later this year. Its cancelation was blamed on a labor dispute, and so far plans continue for the musical’s premiere on Broadway in the summer of 2020. But nonetheless, the Jackson estate has been remarkably quiet in recent months, after its attempts to discredit “Leaving Neverland” didn’t curtail the film’s impact.

“‘Leaving Neverland’ is reconceptualizing [Jackson’s] life and his personal life but also his work,” said Dan Reed, the filmmaker behind the documentary. “Because of that, it may have an impact on the way that people mourn his passing. I don’t want to take a position where it’s wrong not to celebrate his life, that’s an individual choice. Obviously he was a dad, he was a son. But I think ‘Leaving Neverland’ blew a hole in Michael Jackson’s personal reputation. Of course that’s going to impact the anniversary of his death, which would be planned as a celebration of his life and his work.

“I don’t want to say to people don’t make a big deal about the anniversary of his death,” Reed added. “But let’s just confront the fact that as an entertainer he was amazing, but as a man there were facets to his life that were really unacceptable.”

Reed suggested an alternate way to mark the anniversary of Jackson’s death: To take a stand against the sexual exploitation of children, both in Hollywood and in other parts of society.

“I welcome the opportunity at the tenth anniversary for people to contemplate very seriously how prevalent child sexual abuse is and how easily children can fall prey to beloved, charismatic and much admired and respected figures in the community,” Reed said. ” It’s a horrible thing that happens all over the world, it’s not just famous people. We need to wake up to how easy it is for us to be lulled into a false sense of security. If that’s what we take away from ‘Leaving Neverland,’ then great.”

Reed said he has been heartened by the impact that “Leaving Neverland” has had in pop culture, and noted that the timing (post Time’s Up and #MeToo) helped it and another documentary series, Lifetime’s “Surviving R. Kelly,” in keeping the allegations of child abuse by those two entertainers in the news.

“Any kind of sexual abuse is a topic that people don’t want to talk about,” he said. “I think the Me Too movement and the R. Kelly documentary, they opened people’s minds to the fact that victims out there might be telling the truth. Sexual abuse is a crime that often has no witnesses and often has no material evidence to support it… I think [these things] opened people’s minds that they happen often.”

And because “Leaving Neverland” was so thorough in telling the horrifying stories of Jackson victims Robson and Safechuck, it doesn’t seem complete for any other production about Jackson to move forward without including those two or heavily recounting the doc’s findings. That’s also why, besides not wanting to touch this “radioactive” topic, producers might not want to try and top what Reed has just done. Whether producers or viewers will ever again want to watch a program that celebrates Jackson’s music remains to be seen — and is likely very much down the road.

“There was a [10th anniversary] special already, and it was called ‘Leaving Neverland’ on HBO,” said one reality producer. “It stole the conversation for a while. Right now, people are in contemplative mode. I think maybe for his 20th anniversary people will consider doing a [Jackson] music special. After the dust settles a little bit, people might be able to separate the music from the individual.”

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/leaving-neverland-michael-jackson-anniversary-1203235967/
No variety, that is what YOU want. MJ fans and people who love him will continue to watch him. This trash was THE MEDIA hype not the overall public.
 
We need to wake up to how easy it is for us to be lulled into a false sense of security.





And we know how easy it is to lie on the dead. fool. This is stupid. So lie about abuse on an innocent man to prove a point. What next? Lie on men to prove a point about unequality for women. Lie on blacks and continue to lock them up to prove the unfairness in the system. Supporting stealing to show we live in an economic deprived society. I can go on. See how stupid Dan Reed comment sound.
 
terrell;4259513 said:
No variety, that is what YOU want. MJ fans and people who love him will continue to watch him. This trash was THE MEDIA hype not the overall public.
Exactly! This is the story they were trying to sell all over the world but the movie was a flop all over the world and I have read quite a few people who are new fans because they did research after this and realized how much MJ had to go through. Also I think the media know that the minute you question this and do any background check at all it falls apart so how can Robson or Safechuck have any career in the future. There will be a 15 and a 20 anniversary and there is absolutely no need to separate the artist from the art since their lies are so easily debunked if you don&#8217;t just let Dan Reed talk without questioning anything. The media is destroying their own credibility.
 
The damage to MJ's reputation is huge plus the estate seems completely powerless. His death anniversary will be used by the media to bring more attention to this filth and hype it more the articles are written as if it's now an irrefutable fact he's guilty. We can deluded our self into believing LV was debunked but I have noticed that the pro comments on Twitter are coming from fans the exact same individuals keep commenting. Go to other social platforms and read the comments to understand the catastrophic impact this filth has on MJ's reputation. The media controls the narrative they are super powerful how will the estate be able to come back from this I don't really know.

The estate exes do nothing but bury their heads in the sand. Branca said during the UCLA seminar the estate chose against going with a rebuttal documentary because you cannot prove a negative! Well, I don't know what to say really. Where are all their resources to investigate the two frauds and their pro NAMBLA director? It's sickening to see how helpless and hopeless they really are.
 
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The damage to MJ's reputation is huge plus the estate seems completely powerless. His death anniversary will be used by the media to bring more attention to this filth and hype it more the articles are written as if it's now an irrefutable fact he's guilty. We can deluded our self into believing LV was debunked but I have noticed that the pro comments on Twitter are coming from fans the exact same individuals keep commenting. Go to other social platforms and read the comments to understand the catastrophic impact this filth has on MJ's reputation. The media controls the narrative they are super powerful how will the estate be able to come back from this I don't really know.
I disagree. I have been on plenty of sites and the comments are empty, a few comments or pro comments. It is not huge as u think (and some of the same haters post). I will judge MJ based on his sales, songs still are being played, etc. To be honest, the ONLY time I hear about this trash is when I come on here now.
 
I disagree. I have been on plenty of sites and the comments are empty, a few comments or pro comments. It is not huge as u think (and some of the same haters post). I will judge MJ based on his sales, songs still are being played, etc. To be honest, the ONLY time I hear about this trash is when I come on here now.


haha so true :D

people dont care about LN anymore. Its been almost half a year since airing! the world moved on. Tabloids and the whole Oprah connection wont stop lying. This month its all about #HonorMJ. It is such a special month this year.

The damage hasnt been done! At least not as big as Oprah and Co wanted it to happen. Even TMZ admitted it a couple of weeks ago. Everyone knows about the Train Station dilemma. Most people highly doubt these idiots are talking the truth. Lots of their friends and people who know them are talking negative about them.

It is all a big lie and people are not that stupid. I even would say that this is really a blessing in disguise! More people know the facts now. Oprah and Co underestimated the fans again and now we can stand together as a MJFam and fight back via social media. Thats what we have done until today and we wont stop!

Facts dont lie. People do. And we have debunked most of all the lies already.

LN is TRASH and noone will think about it in the future (like Thomas Mesereau said recently).

LOVE!
 
haha so true :D

people dont care about LN anymore. Its been almost half a year since airing! the world moved on. Tabloids and the whole Oprah connection wont stop lying. This month its all about #HonorMJ. It is such a special month this year.

The damage hasnt been done! At least not as big as Oprah and Co wanted it to happen. Even TMZ admitted it a couple of weeks ago. Everyone knows about the Train Station dilemma. Most people highly doubt these idiots are talking the truth. Lots of their friends and people who know them are talking negative about them.

It is all a big lie and people are not that stupid. I even would say that this is really a blessing in disguise! More people know the facts now. Oprah and Co underestimated the fans again and now we can stand together as a MJFam and fight back via social media. Thats what we have done until today and we wont stop!

Facts dont lie. People do. And we have debunked most of all the lies already.

LN is TRASH and noone will think about it in the future (like Thomas Mesereau said recently).

LOVE!
When PARENTS of an elementary school will keep his name and now know the lies, enuf said. MJ ONE tribute is coming to my area and is doing well to be a show that will be in September to sell what they are selling at the rate now. Ticket sales really go faster one month before a show in this area. And Oprah got more of a backlash than MJ.
 
I've seen one girl on Twitter make several hate comments so there is repetition there. Many tweets are from casual fans and they make no reference to allegations, it's just comments about the music. I think a good proportion of people just don't care about LN. The other day Heathrow airport didn't hesitate to reply to someone with a GIF of him moonwalking and Darren Hayes was openly reminiscing. They didn't make a single reference to what has been going on. I agree, the #HonorMJ hashtag is a better one now.
 
thanks to social medias!!! without them we wouldnt have been so strong until today presenting facts and debunking LN.

2005 during the trial media had all the controll. Yes, we had our forums but we couldnt speak out loudly like today.

TV has LOST a lot of power. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat is the personal TV from everyone to the world.

Also, most people dont care about LN at ALL. we shouldnt make it more negative and more impacting than it is. People who are no fans have all heard about the train station lie and so they doubt the whole story.

Its just the click addicted media and Oprah who is trying to keep the lie alive.
 
I’m in the middle of listening to Tom Mesereau’s podcast interview with the MJCast and he said MJ settled out of court as well with Jason Francia ? This is news to me. Is he wrong about this? Why would he settle out of court with another accuser (his maids son?) who I have read admitted to lying about seeing MJ showering with Macauley. Can anyone give me background on what Jason claimed? I don’t ever hear the news mention this settlement...which is relief, but I’m kind of in shock about learning this. So I am assuming Jason accused MJ publicly? And was it soon after Jordie’s accusations? I’m confused &#129300;&#128533;
 
Branca was selling stories to the tabloids before her son ever accused MJ (which she on the stand admitted were lies). She was called by the police to Neverland during the raid to unlock the Cabinet which had the only 'incriminating' evidence found ever in MJ's possession the two infamous books (how convenient). She was actively cooperating with Guartirez and the tabloids throughout the 1993 debacle how ever after MJ settled with the Chandlers she went to Larry Feldman to see how she could also get money by accusing MJ. Sneddon and police officers met her son who had repeatedly denied MJ did anything to him one of the officers told him MJ assaulted Mac and Corey Feldman who are now abusing drugs because of their abuse and that he was lucky he had his mom who wanted to protect him they encouraged him to accuse mj to protect other children all recorded on tape. He eventually told them mj ticketed him on his private 'so they would leave him along' Immediately before the launch of History album, Feldman demanded a settlement from MJ lawyers otherwise he would ruin the History launch so they settled. Jason took the stand in 2005 had a total new version of events which he made up with the hope that once mj was convicted he would be able to sue again for damages he did not recover under the 1995 settlement. He testified he was not aware his mother received a settlement to make himself more credible to the jurors who saw through him immediately and started laughing at him. He was exposed as a complete joke on the stand.
 
The only ppl talking still talking about this are reed and some fans. the gen public lost intrest after all the articles about the train station and robsons lies. Too many drama queens

More desperate P.R from the media and reed. Keep trying to change the reality the public didnt buy his lies but now trying imply events that were never even confirmed? Have now been cancelled cause everyone hates mj now. Just more spin that goes again what the public reaction actually was. Try harder next time
 
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The only ppl talking still talking about this are reed and some fans. the gen public lost intrest after all the articles about the train station and robsons lies. Too many drama queens

More desperate P.R from the media and reed. Keep trying to change the reality the public didnt buy his lies but now trying imply events that were never even confirmed? Have now been cancelled cause everyone hates mj now. Just more spin that goes again what the public reaction actually was. Try harder next time
Exactly! This is the story they are still trying to sell but it has been a global flop and a lot of people hs actually become fans since they did the research because of this but in a few months are Weinsteins trial no matter what they do and we will never stop spreading the facts. The reality is that then John Ziegler uploaded his video interview with Thomas Mesereau more that 100 000 people watched it in less than a week.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">#1 No true fan would want a series based on Randall Sullivan's copy/paste book, that used BLOGS as sources. #2 Thanks <a href="https://twitter.com/Variety?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Variety</a> for giving the MJ Estate more ammunition for their lawsuit, proving that corporations like HBO who don't do their research ultimately have to pay. <a href="https://t.co/C9dW1LSfm6">https://t.co/C9dW1LSfm6</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1137139946081345537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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The film had emotional draw..

That's literally it!

The live action Lion King is going to make me cry.
 
thanks to social medias!!! without them we wouldnt have been so strong until today presenting facts and debunking LN.

2005 during the trial media had all the controll. Yes, we had our forums but we couldnt speak out loudly like today.

TV has LOST a lot of power. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat is the personal TV from everyone to the world.

Also, most people dont care about LN at ALL. we shouldnt make it more negative and more impacting than it is. People who are no fans have all heard about the train station lie and so they doubt the whole story.

Its just the click addicted media and Oprah who is trying to keep the lie alive.
Oprah knows she messed up and now trying to get good PR. Ironic she is producing the Central Park five series that showed black and brown teen FALSELY ACCUSED of rape who was wrongly convicted and how the system is unfair to blacks and quick to label black men guilty even without evidence. IRONIC.
 
Branca was selling stories to the tabloids before her son ever accused MJ (which she on the stand admitted were lies). She was called by the police to Neverland during the raid to unlock the Cabinet which had the only 'incriminating' evidence found ever in MJ's possession the two infamous books (how convenient). She was actively cooperating with Guartirez and the tabloids throughout the 1993 debacle how ever after MJ settled with the Chandlers she went to Larry Feldman to see how she could also get money by accusing MJ. Sneddon and police officers met her son who had repeatedly denied MJ did anything to him one of the officers told him MJ assaulted Mac and Corey Feldman who are now abusing drugs because of their abuse and that he was lucky he had his mom who wanted to protect him they encouraged him to accuse mj to protect other children all recorded on tape. He eventually told them mj ticketed him on his private 'so they would leave him along' Immediately before the launch of History album, Feldman demanded a settlement from MJ lawyers otherwise he would ruin the History launch so they settled. Jason took the stand in 2005 had a total new version of events which he made up with the hope that once mj was convicted he would be able to sue again for damages he did not recover under the 1995 settlement. He testified he was not aware his mother received a settlement to make himself more credible to the jurors who saw through him immediately and started laughing at him. He was exposed as a complete joke on the stand.
And those books were and are considered ART BOOKS which a CANADIAN FAN who signed the book gave suppose to have gave to MJ. The Canadian fan sighed the book.
 
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