Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

I'm not sure about that, in my opinion, Dan Reed would throw BOTH OF THEM under the bus, in order to "save" his crappy reputation.

Reed: They lied to me!!!!!

Hey that's just as great! First and foremost I want the two fake victims to pay the hardest. That's not to say I don't want Dan to pay!

But I'm not getting my hopes up on any of that.
 
I'm not sure about that, in my opinion, Dan Reed would throw BOTH OF THEM under the bus, in order to "save" his crappy reputation.

Reed: They lied to me!!!!!

I wonder why TMZ is not reporting this. Lowlifes (TMZ) can talk about everything else.
 
Reed has been quiet, hasnt shared an article for 3 days. Plotting his next move? I genuinely think theres a possibility he turns on them, let's wait and see.
Very interesting!

Reed is probably hold up somewhere mad as hell, trying to plot his next move.

All three are snakes and snakes have no loyalty!!!
 
I'm not sure about that, in my opinion, Dan Reed would throw BOTH OF THEM under the bus, in order to "save" his crappy reputation.

Reed: They lied to me!!!!!

Saying that wouldn't save his reputation. It'd just show him as a crappy journalist and no one would ever take anything he did in the future seriously.
 
What about that mail Dan Greed claimed Robson did send to the Estate about not being able to participate in the Cirque du Soleil project, as a response to the fact Estate did decline Robson the choreography job? Does it exist or is it just a false claim by him?
 
Reed has been quiet, hasnt shared an article for 3 days. Plotting his next move? I genuinely think theres a possibility he turns on them, let's wait and see.

It would mean the trash is cleaning itself up, it would be so damn amazing to see this. All of them becoming enemies. I can't imagine these new developments being good for Reed, but will he try to "fix" it or will he really turn on them, throw them under the bus?

Party time if it does happen, truly.
 
What about that mail Dan Greed claimed Robson did send to the Estate about not being able to participate in the Cirque du Soleil project, as a response to the fact Estate did decline Robson the choreography job? Does it exist or is it just a false claim by him?

False claim.
 
So how about the airing of LN in Germany on April 6th? Is it still going to proceed and is going to be aired in effective time? Or will any other large program be aired at the same time in other channel that the public will catch attention to?

I think they will show the complete 4 hours. We have some strong programms on the other channels, so i don't think i will catch so many viewers. It's too long !
Before LN there is a special news report with interviews from family and some supporters. At least some positive to hope for...personally i will not watch LN.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To answer your excellent question, Piers... lots and lots. <br><br>In fact, too much to possibly fit in a tweet. It is pathetic that, at least over here, the news media, thanks mostly to fear of Oprah, simply will not revisit this clearly fraudulent movie.</p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1113101218937630721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The picture below was taken on August 25, 1993. The train station wasn’t there (top of image). Work on the floral clock had started.<br><br>The construction of the actual building was approved by Santa Barbara County on September 2, 1993 (see below). <br><br>End of discussion. <a href="https://t.co/ycOTKw0Vj5">pic.twitter.com/ycOTKw0Vj5</a></p>&mdash; Mike Smallcombe (@mikesmallcombe1) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikesmallcombe1/status/1113118389130743809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Mail wasn't interested in any of this at the start. Glad they've realised this information cannot be ignored. <a href="https://t.co/la1scNypd0">https://t.co/la1scNypd0</a></p>&mdash; Mike Smallcombe (@mikesmallcombe1) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikesmallcombe1/status/1113077230970826752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LA ZOMBIES have confirmed they will be on hand to perform TWO <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> songs -- They Don't Really Care About Us and one song yet undisclosed .. BOOOM .. Be There !! <a href="https://t.co/IBi2GrfpXw">pic.twitter.com/IBi2GrfpXw</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1113116221174538240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Controversy-hit Michael Jackson musical Thriller Live gets extended run <a href="https://t.co/FJxWaHS0ad">https://t.co/FJxWaHS0ad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJTruthSquad?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJTruthSquad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FactsDontLiePeopleDo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FactsDontLiePeopleDo</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a></p>&mdash; KerryWard (@FallAgainMJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/FallAgainMJ/status/1113069504341446656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I agree, where is the US press and Hollywood trades? A MAJOR lie by James Safechuck was factually exposed and even the director of LN was forced to publicly admit it and backtrack.<br><br>Come on American press &#128532;<br><br>We need YOU to print the TRUTH as loud as you helped spread these lies. <a href="https://t.co/477CheQ9Hy">https://t.co/477CheQ9Hy</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1113122616196313088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/themanbehindthedance?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#themanbehindthedance</a> coming soon. &#127775;&#127775;&#127775;&#127775;&#127775;&#9829;&#65039; <a href="https://t.co/CKleuIFfFu">pic.twitter.com/CKleuIFfFu</a></p>&mdash; LaVelle Smith Jr. (@lavellesmithjr_) <a href="https://twitter.com/lavellesmithjr_/status/1112802081021284352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THREAD It’s also interesting to note that James is connected with HBO. <a href="https://t.co/cBTNnRxFoF">pic.twitter.com/cBTNnRxFoF</a></p>&mdash; Jay (@jay_123_1) <a href="https://twitter.com/jay_123_1/status/1112253337213104129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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LOL, some twitter fun: in the beginning of March John Ziegler sent his article about the lies of Robson to Louis Theroux, who finally answered today (strange timing BTW) with a month delay (in the middle of the train station & Reed's admission fiasco - of which he's either not aware of or plays dumb). He continues to be ignorant of course, the fun part is Ziegler's answer:
LMAO that’s because you’re already clearly invested in the idea that he was. Your first big mistake is that you think my focus here is on Jackson. My focus is on this movie, which is an obvious fraud.

Out of curiously, what exactly would you consider evidence the movie is wrong?
https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1113082792919818240

Many other great tweets too, just to pick a few:

I must say I'm suprised at you giving such credit to @danreed1000's unresearched, biased film. You're a highly respected journalist and Reed has made an absolute fool of himself. Can you explain what has gone on here? Misplaced redemption for not spotting Saville?

Louis have some self respect, don't go down with Dan Reed you have worked far too hard to have your reputation questioned in defense of this fraudulent propaganda piece. 2 minutes of research debunk this 'film', it just puts your own work and research into question.

@louistheroux will never admit he is wrong, he was stating MJ was guilty as if its fact! They’re too far deep in it now and pride is an awful thing. Louis made ridiculous claims that people were silencing victims if they even looked into this. He’s not who I thought he was.

Considering that it's clear that the two families have lied about locations, times and events and that's not enough to have you at least question their legitimacy shows you have as much as an agenda as you claim MJ's fans have. Sad to see, Louis.

The film was recently exposed as fraud and false. A bit of research wont hurt.

As a previous fan of yours Louis, I am immensely disappointed that you continue to throw your own 'amiable and fair journalist' brand under the bus by promoting this sinking ship of a shlockumentary. But then, perhaps that's why you persist.

Coming from a man who made a documentary on a notorious sex offender, then befriended him and claims to say he had no idea??? You're possibly the worst judge of character @louistheroux

Says the guy who was BLIND to saville's true character. And STOP using MJ to redeem yourself for that. We need proof , CONCRETE FACTS more than just "the idea".

@louistheroux what's happened to you?!


What bugs me about Theroux is that after the Savile case one would think he would humbly refrain from stating his opinion ever on the topic of spotting abusers, but no. I understand he wants to sort of make up for it, but it's really the wrong way. And as a professional he could at least recognise deceptive editing and other manipulative techniques in LN, as well as the lack of balance and evidence.

And I just can't comprehend in general why can't these people duped by LN just say: "Oops, I was wrong, I jumped to the wrong conclusions without investigating, I'll be more careful in the future and I advise you to do the same". It would look so much better.

Oh and thanks again to everyone fighting the battle on social media! :flowers:
 
Paris78;4253117 said:
To answer your excellent question, Piers... lots and lots.

In fact, too much to possibly fit in a tweet. It is pathetic that, at least over here, the news media, thanks mostly to fear of Oprah, simply will not revisit this clearly fraudulent movie.
&#8212; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) 2. April 2019
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The picture below was taken on August 25, 1993. The train station wasn&#8217;t there (top of image). Work on the floral clock had started.

The construction of the actual building was approved by Santa Barbara County on September 2, 1993 (see below).

End of discussion. pic.twitter.com/ycOTKw0Vj5
&#8212; Mike Smallcombe (@mikesmallcombe1) 2. April 2019
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The Mail wasn't interested in any of this at the start. Glad they've realised this information cannot be ignored. https://t.co/la1scNypd0
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Well, Oprah is still catching it in Urban media, radio, etc. This hurt her in black media and she know it. This is why I say pass this info onto everyone. If anyone brings up this doc, bring up the facts. Same as they spread this trash, they should clear it. anyway keep posting on facebook, twitter, instagram, blgds, comment sections, etc.
 
That just say something about Louis and his journalism. It should be about facts no matter who it is. Labeling an innocent man makes him just as guilty as the people he judge who are guilty. I will never agree with something that is wrong, I do not care if is issues of race, gender, religion, social, etc all because of a crowd without researching it myself and I am not a jounralist.
 
Theroux claims hes making his own mj docu. He doesnt care about the truth just about making money and making a name for himself. He should learn from whats happening to reed
 
Theroux claims hes making his own mj docu. He doesnt care about the truth just about making money and making a name for himself. He should learn from whats happening to reed
What in the @@#$ can he say about MJ at this point? Not a @#$ thing. the gigs of bashing MJ is up and tiresome.
 
Leaving Neverland Director Responds To Allegations Of Inaccuracies In Story

http://www.ladbible.com/news/film-and-tv-leaving-neverland-director-responds-to-claims-of-inaccuracies-20190402


'Leaving Neverland' director challenged on Jackson abuse dates and agrees they could be wrong

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...ckson-abuse-dates-agrees-wrong-090412494.html


Leaving Neverland Director Admits to Inaccuracies in Accuser's Story


https://www.vladtv.com/article/253692/leaving-neverland-director-admits-to-inaccuracies-in-accusers-story


 
Turns on them ?
You have a high level oh hope.

His reputation is on the line, I don't see what other options he has, hence why he has gone completely quiet.

Don't forget, he has also damaged James' case by changing the timeline given by James in his lawsuit. Is James happy about that? I wouldnt write off a fallout between them.
 
Leaving Neverland Director Responds To Allegations Of Inaccuracies In Story

http://www.ladbible.com/news/film-and-tv-leaving-neverland-director-responds-to-claims-of-inaccuracies-20190402


'Leaving Neverland' director challenged on Jackson abuse dates and agrees they could be wrong

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...ckson-abuse-dates-agrees-wrong-090412494.html


Leaving Neverland Director Admits to Inaccuracies in Accuser's Story


https://www.vladtv.com/article/253692/leaving-neverland-director-admits-to-inaccuracies-in-accusers-story



it is about time yahoo!!!
 
His reputation is on the line, I don't see what other options he has, hence why he has gone completely quiet.

Don't forget, he has also damaged James' case by changing the timeline given by James in his lawsuit. Is James happy about that? I wouldnt write off a fallout between them.
An it needs to be called out each day. If u are willing to lie on MJ, u will lie on someone else.
 
Theroux claims hes making his own mj docu. He doesnt care about the truth just about making money and making a name for himself. He should learn from whats happening to reed

Pathetic ****ing little weasel. Also, is he dumb? Doesn't he see how Reed is now falling flat on his ugly egg face? What on earth does he think he can contribute at this point?

Sad guy.
 
horselightning;4253130 said:
Leaving Neverland&#8217; director responds to Michael Jackson biographer&#8217;s claims that new evidence disproves abuse
Read more at https://www.nme.com/news/music/mich...leaving-neverland-2469413#HRvq1siuExcGgqVv.99


he is saying Safechuck could have been abuse at the train station? He says Wades mom would not lie? can you people believe this guy? oy

Let's see, what do we have so far on/about his mom? The document showing how Wade and his mom were scheming? Her liking MJ posts on Facebook after Wade would have realized the abuse. What else?
 
Theroux claims hes making his own mj docu. He doesnt care about the truth just about making money and making a name for himself. He should learn from whats happening to reed

Is there really a market for these documentaries? It's not as if LN attracted huge ratings.
 
elusive moonwalker;4253123 said:
Theroux claims hes making his own mj docu. He doesnt care about the truth just about making money and making a name for himself. He should learn from whats happening to reed
I still think it won't work. I understand the tide won't ever change for MJ in MSM (sadly), but this coming from Theroux would be just without any credibility at this point.

More tweets to him:
Louis Theroux is staking his reputation on a film that has just been proven to be based on the testimony of liars.
This is not the tweet of a journalist, this is the tweet of a marketing professional who has gone from selling 'a product' to now selling 'an idea.'


Evidence has come to light which proves, definitively, that one of the accusers fabricated allegations. He claimed he was abused in a building at Neverland which didn’t even exist until *years* after he stopped visiting. Stop defending your mate & start acting like a journalist.
 
Is there really a market for these documentaries? It's not as if LN attracted huge ratings.

I doubt it. Viewing figures for all programes arent what they used to be. Big viewing figures have halfed even from 15 years ago. They are running out of ideas. But any opportunity to bash mj they will take it
 
ozemouze;4253135 said:
I still think it won't work. I understand the tide won't ever change for MJ in MSM (sadly), but this coming from Theroux would be just without any credibility at this point.

More tweets to him:
Louis Theroux is staking his reputation on a film that has just been proven to be based on the testimony of liars.
This is not the tweet of a journalist, this is the tweet of a marketing professional who has gone from selling 'a product' to now selling 'an idea.'


Evidence has come to light which proves, definitively, that one of the accusers fabricated allegations. He claimed he was abused in a building at Neverland which didn’t even exist until *years* after he stopped visiting. Stop defending your mate & start acting like a journalist.

And if we get on Wade's lie, we will be here all day.
 
hey I am putting finishing touches on the docs I am working on.. I am adding in a portion specifically for Victor G... Do we have documented proof that at one point he fleed the country or is that hearsay??

anyone.. and just for proper wording, was it a single diary or a collection of diaries.. I've read it stated both ways in various docs.
 
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