Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Frank Cascio has started to tweet (Hopefully this will not be his first and last):


Prop·a·gan·da
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular point of view.”Why didn’t Brett, myself or the hundreds of others who had nothing to gain and have opposing views get a call for this “documentary”? @danreed1000
 
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Roger Freidman's 411 article is perfect. I'm going to post it with the link
onto as many websites as I can.

The rest of the Hollywood press needs to stop
supporting without question these"repulsive way- passed-grown ass liars, Robson and Safechuck.

This is the flipside of the #metoo movement. You're expected to always side with the victim and not question their story.. I'm sure the timing of it was part of the reason they dared to go so big with this. I'm not sure they'd have gotten a standing ovation a few years ago.
 
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Wait, Roger Friedman... I remember him being one of the people not to trust. So he actually finally saw the light years ago?

Very good and telling tweet by Cascio there.
 
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Guys please join this discussion aswell,
https://jezebel.com/michael-jackson-documentary-leaving-neverland-is-shocki-1832084914
I commented as Mrkleeeds and it seems comment sections by large is making a lot of progress as to shift the narrative to the thruth side.
WE WONT HAVE MJ JUDGED AS IF HE IS SITTING IN A COURTROOM AGAIN. THIS BS GOTTA STOP!
 
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This is the flipside of the #metoo movement. You're expected to always side with the victim and not question their story.. I'm sure the timing of it was part of the reason they dared to go so big with this. I'm not sure they'd have gotten a standing ovation a few years ago.

Agree with you a thousand percent! The director and Sundance feel the current climate gives this junk credibility. Everybody is guilty because someone says they are. That the director did not look beyond what these two malicious ingrates claim is about his personal feelings about MJ as well. No genuinely credible documentary maker would give such a one sided view. He's as immoral and depraved as his two attention seeking money grubbers.
 
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Guys please join this discussion aswell,
https://jezebel.com/michael-jackson-documentary-leaving-neverland-is-shocki-1832084914
I commented as Mrkleeeds and it seems comment sections by large is making a lot of progress as to shift the narrative to the thruth side.
WE WONT HAVE MJ JUDGED AS IF HE IS SITTING IN A COURTROOM AGAIN. THIS BS GOTTA STOP!
I have notice that as well. I tell ya most people can see BS. There are always going to be a few trolls and haters (it does matter what U say to them, they will hate); but like I said, if this blow up bigger, the media and everyone will have to look at these guys closley and see what they are. Most people are not stupid but the hollowers make the most noise. Keep posting your facts on websites, twitter, instagram, facebook, etc. They have to notice it. I have shut down two people on comment section. They have nothing on me.LOL.
 
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I do hope some real high profile people with influence start voicing their support.
It's amazing how so many suddenly go silent when this stuff happens.
 
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Yeah, I mean... Chris Tucker, Akon, just to name a few. Not to mention his own brothers and sisters . It's actually his nephews standing up for him now.
 
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I do hope some real high profile people with influence start voicing their support.
It's amazing how so many suddenly go silent when this stuff happens.
That is understandable. Neo has already spoken. I am also glad Mr. Roger Feldman made his comment above. More media people need to do so if this gets bigger. And remember, we have Monday and Tuesday. I hope I have a happy Birthday on Thursday and this has turned on these clowns.
 
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Notice how Diane Dimond is quiet all of sudden.
 
myosotis;4238286 said:
Frank Cascio has started to tweet (Hopefully this will not be his first and last):


Prop·a·gan·da
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular point of view.”Why didn’t Brett, myself or the hundreds of others who had nothing to gain and have opposing views get a call for this “documentary”? @danreed1000
Good!!!
 
Why hasn’t his family been more public about it? I’m sorry but if that was my father, son, brother I wouldn’t and couldn’t just ignore this. There is no point ignoring it, this is truly spreading like wildfire now. Enough is enough. The world needs to know WHY he was innocent. Don’t let his legacy be ruined forever.
 
nextbigthing56;4238299 said:
Why hasn’t his family been more public about it? I’m sorry but if that was my father, son, brother I wouldn’t and couldn’t just ignore this. There is no point ignoring it, this is truly spreading like wildfire now. Enough is enough. The world needs to know WHY he was innocent. Don’t let his legacy be ruined forever.

It has been said that the jackson brothers have a "each one for himself" approach when it comes to money and controversies. But, since MJ is dead it must be hard and offputtitg to deal with his loss and this sh#tshow on top of it.
 
nextbigthing56;4238299 said:
Don’t let his legacy be ruined forever.
I will say, as pessimistic as I am, this will blow over.
We've just gotta get through the next few weeks.
 
myosotis;4238286 said:
Frank Cascio has started to tweet (Hopefully this will not be his first and last):
Prop·a·gan·da
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular point of view.”Why didn’t Brett, myself or the hundreds of others who had nothing to gain and have opposing views get a call for this “documentary”? @danreed1000

What did he say more about documentary? Maybe Taj should include him in the series

On the other hand i wanted to know which is James safechuck job, And he is engineer , director of technology and innovation in a company in California, he has a good job.

Do you know anything about the questions and answers that the documentary had?
 
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Guys please join this discussion aswell,
https://jezebel.com/michael-jackson-documentary-leaving-neverland-is-shocki-1832084914
I commented as Mrkleeeds and it seems comment sections by large is making a lot of progress as to shift the narrative to the thruth side.
WE WONT HAVE MJ JUDGED AS IF HE IS SITTING IN A COURTROOM AGAIN. THIS BS GOTTA STOP!

Almost all of the comments there look negative to me?
 
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Almost all of the comments there look negative to me?

Sorry I meant our presence on the comment sections throught the vehicles is making a change. I called attention for us to jump into this particular one too
 
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Sorry I meant our presence on the comment sections throught the vehicles is making a change. I called attention for us to jump into this particular one too

Ah I see. Apologies
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Guys please join this discussion aswell,
https://jezebel.com/michael-jackson-documentary-leaving-neverland-is-shocki-1832084914
I commented as Mrkleeeds and it seems comment sections by large is making a lot of progress as to shift the narrative to the thruth side.
WE WONT HAVE MJ JUDGED AS IF HE IS SITTING IN A COURTROOM AGAIN. THIS BS GOTTA STOP!
Thanks for the heads up. I'm on it!!!!
 
This is the information I am posting on as many websites as possible.
Feel free to copy and paste all or any parts of it you wish:

To quote Perry Mason: “We have established you are a Liar.”
Wade Robson testified under penalty of perjury in a US court in Santa Barbara that Michael Jackson never touched him in any manner inappropriately. Wade did not change his story, until after the death of Michael Jackson, when he and James Safechuck decided to sue, unsuccessfully, the Michael Jackson Estate for billions of dollars. James Safechuck, while Michael Jackson was alive, had plenty of opportunities to make his accusations to Thomas Sneddon the DA in Santa Barbara or any other legal authority.

Wade Robson's and James Safechuck have one motive: MONEY.
Now they are attempting to use this film to make money over Michael Jackson's dead body.
Please go to the links below and you will see video and written evidence that Wade Robson is Lying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO6RILofcvw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgSbSotJgUY&feature=youtu.be

In addition the FBI surveyed Michael Jackson for 10 years and found evidence of absolutely no molestation or any other crime committed by Michael Jackson.
Michael Jackson FBI files:

https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20Jackson

Please read this article by the 411 columnist, Roger Freidman. He writes the truth beautifully and concisely.
The rest of the Hollywood press needs to stop
supporting without question these"repulsive way- passed-grown liars, Robson and Safechuck.

Michael left on this Earth three beautiful flowering children[Prince, Paris, and Bigi(Blanket)] who Hollywood should support. If the Hollywood community does not support Michael Jackson's children, may they all rot in Hell.

Michael Jackson Criminal Defense Lawyer Thomas Mesereau Is “Shocked” By Claims Made By Wade Robson: “He was adamant that nothing had happened to him. So were his mother and sister”

by Roger Friedman - January 26, 2019 1:27 pm

EXCLUSIVE This morning I spoke with Thomas Mesereau, Michael Jackson’s brilliant criminal defense lawyer in his 2005 child molestation and conspiracy trial. Michael was found not guilty on all counts.

The first witness Mesereau put on the stand in Jackson’s defense was Wade Robson, who now claims Jackson molested him when he was a child. In 2005, Robson, Mesereau says, was “adamant” that Jackson had never done anything wrong to him. Robson’s mother and sister also took the stand and said the same thing.

The Robsons flew in from Australia for the trial. They stayed at Neverland. Mesereau interviewed them extensively.
Mesereau told me: “I found Wade articulate and likeable. But he staunchly defended Michael. His mother and sister supported him in their statements. On the stand, Wade was then subjected to a withering prosecutor. I’m shocked that he’s taken a position contrary to what he told me, and what he testified to in court.”

Mesereau hasn’t seen the documentary “Leaving Neverland” but he is very surprised. And this is a man who has examined and cross examined some of the toughest witnesses ever.

One important thing Mesereau agreed with me on. Santa Barbara District Attorney Tom Sneddon, now deceased, thoroughly investigated Jackson twice, over a 10 year period. He looked ceaselessly for young boys who might have been abused by Jackson. Sneddon was obsessed with tagging Jackson. It was Sneddon who slid his card on the door of the Arvizo family after he saw them on TV, and crafted an unsuccessful prosecution against Jackson using their crazy testimony.

Sneddon knew the names of Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck, the two men who claim in the documentary to have been molested. If Sneddon had thought there was any real story there, he’d have gone after it. He never did.

Meanwhile, Robson has started a not for profit foundation and is soliciting donations. There can be no transparency, as he’s parked his 501 c3 very cleverly under something called the Hawaii Community Foundation. That way, Robson doesn’t have to file a form 990. We’ll never know if the makers of “Leaving Neverland” have donated money to it, for example. This was done on purpose. Leonardo DiCaprio does the same thing with his Foundation. It’s hidden.

Safechuck, meantime, is accused by Jackson fans of creating his story from a very disgusting book published years ago by a man named Victor Guitierrez. Jackson sued Guitierrez and won a $2.7 million judgement against. The writer has never paid up, and now lives in Chile. I threw my copy out a long time; I didn’t want it in my house.

“Leaving Neverland” can’t be taken seriously, and I’m surprised the press in Sundance– who didn’t cover Jackson — was so swayed by it. The movie offers no independent evidence, or third parties, just the claims of Robson and Safechuck. Just because it’s graphic, doesn’t mean it’s true. The rush to judgement here is alarming, and dangerous.

https://www.showbiz411.com/2019/01/...happened-to-him-so-were-his-mother-and-sister


 
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See? The soldiers of love is still out there! Just continue to believe.

I hardly ever posted here, but come here everyday, but I have to say that I'm proud to have carry on his legacy, and I will for the rest of my life. I often used these events as learning tools, good and bad. I stand by those who were abused in one way or another, I stand by those who are falsely accused, I stand for the truth!

This may be worrying most of us, but we have weathered many storms before. I expected something like this to happen in light of the #MeToo Movement. You have to keep an eye out on those who would use the movements for their false agendas. This happens to be one of them. Not everybody will be on the same page, but those with common sense would know better. That's why I'm often too careful when some folks out there can get too extreme.

I was bullied growing up, but I often find comfort through Michael's music to help me through the tough times. That's a God-given talent. I often go to karaoke and sing mostly Michael's songs, standing out to most of those who often sing the most clique songs out there.

Don't let this latest battle wear you down. Remember, we won many of them, but the war is far from over...
 
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See? The soldiers of love is still out there! Just continue to believe.

I hardly ever posted here, but come here everyday, but I have to say that I'm proud to have carry on his legacy, and I will for the rest of my life. I often used these events as learning tools, good and bad. I stand by those who were abused in one way or another, I stand by those who are falsely accused, I stand for the truth!

This may be worrying most of us, but we have weathered many storms before. I expected something like this to happen in light of the #MeToo Movement. You have to keep an eye out on those who would use the movements for their false agendas. This happens to be one of them. Not everybody will be on the same page, but those with common sense would know better. That's why I'm often too careful when some folks out there can get too extreme.

I was bullied growing up, but I often find comfort through Michael's music to help me through the tough times. That's a God-given talent. I often go to karaoke and sing mostly Michael's songs, standing out to most of those who often sing the most clique songs out there.

Don't let this latest battle wear you down. Remember, we won many of them, but the war is far from over...
I agree. To me this is beyond Michael. This kind of stuff can trickle down. If someone can set MJ up, let alone everyone else.
 
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I think the people from MJs facts are involved in this documentery. They find in Reed the man who portraid their awful lies to the whole world! ?
The story of this documentery remembers me so much on the story they told in their videos and on their webside.
Its a conspiricy like Michael always said from some powerful people who maybe hired Wade since 2013.
The estate should find a way to look into Wades moneytraffic in all these years and his computers (to see if he is behind MJFacts too!)
Its very interesting that the first acuser who camed forward after MJs deth was one of the strongest winess in the trail and not someone else.
 
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Spike J;4238297 said:
Notice how Diane Dimond is quiet all of sudden.

It’s obvious she’s scared if she gets involved in it, we would continue to go verbal towards her, well I say she should be.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4238294 said:
Yeah, I mean... Chris Tucker, Akon, just to name a few. Not to mention his own brothers and sisters . It's actually his nephews standing up for him now.

Aaron Carter is joining on our side against Sundance and says he’s going over there right now. I guess he’s looking forward to kick these b@$^@#&$ @$$es like they deserve.
 
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I think the people from MJs facts are involved in this documentery. They find in Reed the man who portraid their awful lies to the whole world! ?
The story of this documentery remembers me so much on the story they told in their videos and on their webside.
Its a conspiricy like Michael always said from some powerful people who maybe hired Wade since 2013.
The estate should find a way to look into Wades moneytraffic in all these years and his computers (to see if he is behind MJFacts too!)
Its very interesting that the first acuser who camed forward after MJs deth was one of the strongest winess in the trail and not someone else.
I believe that as well. There is someone behind that site.
 
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That was a good article by Roger Friedman.
 
terrell;4238310 said:
I agree. To me this is beyond Michael. This kind of stuff can trickle down. If someone can set MJ up, let alone everyone else.

Well this con artist has jumped on the bandwagon too for $$$$$.......:stop: Here is the background on him http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/130450-Michael-Jacobshagen-All-Discussion-Here-MERGED

'Michael Jackson called me Rubba Rubba boy in bed and I now realise he abused me' https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...rubba-13912812
EXCLUSIVE Michael Jacobs-hagen was just 14 when he joined the singer on a string of tours but now he's a dad himsef he realises he was abused
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He shared a bed with Michael Jackson and was nicknamed “Rubba Rubba” boy by the superstar.

When he was a baby-faced 14-year-old Michael Jacobs-hagen joined Jackson on a string of tours – smiling for the world’s media as he posed happily with the singer.

But today he reveals for the first time the full, horrific details of his bizarre relationship with the star who took him into his bed.

And he admits that only now, as the father of a three-year-old himself, does he realise the twisted and serious nature of the abuse he suffered at the Jackson’s hands.

Speaking exclusively to the Sunday Mirror, Michael, 35, said: “He overstepped the mark with me and with other children.

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I’m almost the same age now Michael was when he met me.
“If I was to share a bed with a child, this would not be right. It is not normal and it’s not right.
He was always asking me to sleep in his bed. I would say, ‘No Michael, I can sleep in my own suite’, but he was saying ‘Please, please... for Michael Jackson’.

“Since I had a son, it made me look at everything in a different way and I realise now how wrong it was. Becoming a father changed my feelings.”
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Touched him inappropriately after cuddling up to him in bed And it was always worse if the star had taken medication.
Stripped naked as they shared a Jacuzzi.
Gave him a book “full of photos of naked boys”.
Bought his silence with gifts – and even gave his mum a Cartier watch.

Michael is now a public relations manager and lives in Munich, Germany, where he was famously snapped at a hotel window with Jackson and pictured in newspapers round the world as the boy in the back-to-front baseball cap.

The King of Pop – in his trademark face mask – was 38 and touring Europe promoting the HIStory greatest hits album.

Michael spent three weeks with the singer in the hotel suite.

He said: “When I got back to school, pictures had been in all the media. Other kids would say, ‘You make sex with Michael Jackson’ and ‘You’re gay’.

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“It affected me psychologically, but I never told Michael. It made me feel shame. Teachers warned my mother about allegations about Michael, but she said it was my decision if I wanted to keep seeing him.”

Michael had been thrilled to meet Jackson during an earlier visit to Disneyland Paris – after his mum asked an aide if her lad could be introduced to the star.

He recalled: “Suddenly I was being picked up and taken to another hotel. When I went into his suite and Michael Jackson was there waiting for me, I just thought ‘Wow’. I was a huge fan.

“He gave me a hug and said in German ‘I love you’. We spent the day playing games like hide and seek and on his PlayStation.

“After that he kept phoning every day asking ‘Do you want to come again?’ and we spent the whole holiday together.
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Michael invited us to other concerts, including the HIStory Tour, when I was 14. I travelled with him to other countries.

"When I slept in his bed, we wore just boxer shorts and he would put his arm around me and push his body to my body, like you would with a girlfriend.

“He would put our bodies on each other and kiss me on the head and cheek. I woke many times and his hands were on me... one hand on the top of my legs and one hand around me.

“When he was high on his medication he would get closer in the same way as when a man gets drunk. It disinhibited him.

“He’d pull me closer and be grabbing me more and kissing me more on the head and on the cheek, He would also stroke my hair.

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"I didn’t feel comfortable with it, but I thought ‘I can’t say No’. When you’re 14 and you’re there with the biggest megastar in the world, you say ‘okay’.

“He never carried out an explicit sexual act on me, but there were sexual intentions.

“He must have been getting something out of it sexually. I feel now like he was testing me, seeing how far he could go.”

The star was infatuated with Michael and sent notes saying he “truly missed him” – as well as instructions on hotel meets.

Michael also told how Jackson gave him a copy of The Boy: A Photographic Essay, containing naked snaps of young lads.

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He said: “I found it strange. He said ‘This is one of my favourite books’ and he wrote personal notes inside. In one he called me ‘his special friend’ and his ‘rubba rubba friend’ because of what used to happen in the bed.”

Years later, another copy of the book was found in Jackson’s bedroom at his Neverland ranch in California after he was arrested on suspicion of abuse.

Jackson’s 14-week trial was held in Santa Maria, California, in 2005. He was cleared of 10 charges – even though alleged victim Gavin Arvizo told the trial he had slept in the same bed as the star as a 13-year-old.

Michael, meanwhile, told the Mirror about the time Jackson stripped off in front of him in a hotel hot tub. It was 1998 – three years after they met.

He said: “We were in the Jacuzzi inside Michael’s bathroom. He took his swim shorts off and said ‘If you want, you can take yours off as well’.

“I told him ‘No, I don’t do that. I don’t feel comfortable being naked. I was 14, but I always looked younger.”
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The teenager told no one – not even his mum, who had split from his dad – about *****’s behaviour. But then the star had groomed him to remain silent and even bribed his mum.

Michael went on: “He would buy expensive things.

“He bought my mother a Cartier watch. We would go to toy shops or the Disney store and buy whatever I wanted.

"And he would drink wine and offer it to me. But I always said no. He called white wine ‘Jesus juice’ and red wine ‘Jesus blood’.”

Michael only came clean with his mum after Jackson died from a prescription overdose in 2009.

He said: “She said that she gave him too much trust. She was very upset. All the time I was with him he needed psychological help. He was not okay.”

Michael now has a son aged three but is estranged from the tot’s mum.

He last saw Jackson in Las Vegas two months before his death at the age of 50.

He added: “When I became a man he did not have so much interest in me. When I went to visit the last time he didn’t ask me to sleep with him. I had to sleep on the couch.

“His fans won’t like me saying these things. They treat him like a God. But the truth is the truth.”
'Michael Jackson called me Rubba Rubba in bed and I now realise he abused me'
 
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