Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[nextbigthing56]

Oh for ****s sake this bullshit is now being played in my country of New Zealand also.

Looks like this truly will be the final ‘nail in his coffin’.

Where are those people that said we are overacting and this isn’t gonna put a dent in his legacy?

 

[Lightbringer]

Oh for ****s sake this bullshit is now being played in my country of New Zealand also.

Looks like this truly will be the final ‘nail in his coffin’.

Where are those people that said we are overacting and this isn’t gonna put a dent in his legacy?

What date/dates and which channel have picked it up?

 

[8701girl]

Oh for ****s sake this bullshit is now being played in my country of New Zealand also.

Looks like this truly will be the final ‘nail in his coffin’.

Where are those people that said we are overacting and this isn’t gonna put a dent in his legacy?

dont worry the tea keeps spilling on wade many people have told stuff bout him like wildfire he'll soon crack dont worry

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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98% of the comments on the BBC interview are hostile toward them. I pray people continue to have a critical mind when they hear them speak. Problem is in these interviews Dan Reed did not have the opportunity to get his dirty hands on them and makes them more dramatic but he did that with the doc. a ****ing psychopath.

Bbc or chan 4 news? Bbc interviewed them aswell? Didnt realise you could comment on bbc site

 

[Soundmind]

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Bbc or chan 4 news? Bbc interviewed them aswell? Didnt realise you could comment on bbc site

Yes, BBC did interview them. The comments were on twitter as well as Facebook.

 

[Soundmind]

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A question, I don't recall that james claimed anywhere in his lawsuit that MJ bought them a house. How did he forget to add something as big as this to his lawsuit?

 

[La74]

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This is not correct. safechuck tells in his lawsuit that in 2005 he did not support michael in the trial because he already knew he was "a bad man" and it was in 2005 when he told his mother that something bad happened with Michael and him when he was a child .
in 2013 it was when he was "prepared" to tell it openly and denounce

Ok but apperently he did do promo work for This is it in 2009.

 

[Soundmind]

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Yes, indeed that was James' original story that he told his mother back in 2005, he only changed it to he had only realised he was abused when Wade came forward because otherwise his allegations would have been thrown out immediately due to status of limitations. Don't forget that he filed his case 8 months after he first contacted Wade's lawyers. What does the 8 months gap tell you when status of limitations is vital to a case? one explanation only they were trying to build a case around the status of limitation but it did not work and filed it anyway, changed it a lot, but it still did not make sense.

Assuming he told his mother he was abused in 2005, why did he keep the rings? Serious question. Why you remained silent? I loved him i wanted to protect him, then i hated him i told my mom he was a bad guy and hang up on him in 2005 did not want anything to do with him. WHY DID YOU KEEP THE RINGS?

 

[SeeingVoices]

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Channel 4 are FURIOUS about the poster campaign in London!! Hahaha..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6758207/Fury-adverts-claiming-Michael-Jackson-innocent-launched-London-buses.html

The double standards are of epic proportions.

They want to put out a provocative mockumentary and expect no-one to combat it. I don't think so.

It's very clear their agenda is silence our voice and destroy MJ.

I think they under estimated out tenacity.

 

[CherubimII]

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Remember do not watch any of the broadcasts of "Leaving Neverland"; because, as twisted as it is, they are counting on Michael Jackson fans to give them a ratings boost.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

98% of the comments on the BBC interview are hostile toward them. I pray people continue to have a critical mind when they hear them speak. Problem is in these interviews Dan Reed did not have the opportunity to get his dirty hands on them and makes them more dramatic but he did that with the doc. a ****ing psychopath.

That's why it's very important that the people that don't know the story behind these backstabbers yet do know it before watching that filth. We have done our best with constantly giving the facts and posting videos. We can do no more than our best. I'm sure Mike is proud of us all.

 

[Soundmind]

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I have just come across a tweet about Oprah hosting them with 5000 comments overwhelmingly in mj's favour.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Are you sure the shitstorm will last only 7 days? Considering the following schedule:

3rd and 4th march - USA
6th and 7th march - United Kingdom
8th March - Netherlands
8th March - Belgium
8th march - Denmark
8th March - Norway
9th and 10th march - Australia

9th March - Sweden (STREAMING)

12th and 14th March - Sweden (TV)

21th March - France - With the re-named title - “Michael Jackson: The Victims’s voices”

Oh wow, really? At first it was said France wasn't gonna air it and now it's actually the other way and much worse with these sickos changing the title to that? So crystal clearly a agenda here it's insane.

If these guys had been very consistent with their stories, no weird shady history, had actually been credible (chuckle) then I would have understand this dog piling that the media is doing. But the exact opposite is true here. This is a tabloid story made up by two sick men and a "documentary" built around it.

 

[myosotis]

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This is not correct. safechuck tells in his lawsuit that in 2005 he did not support michael in the trial because he already knew he was "a bad man" and it was in 2005 when he told his mother that something bad happened with Michael and him when he was a child .
in 2013 it was when he was "prepared" to tell it openly and denounce

Edited: Safechuck says he told his mother in a brief statement that 'something bad happened with Michael when he was a child' in 2005. He also says in his legal suit that he said to his mother 'He's a bad man', referring to Michael. However, that is not specific to any claim of abuse. He could call MJ a 'bad man' for any number of reasons, including for having him contacted with regard to testifying.

'He's a bad man' could also have referred to any number of resentments that Safechuck appears to have against MJ, including his statements in his complaints that MJ somehow stopped him from getting to University (despite MJ at the same time providing significant out-of school tuition via various experts in film production, and Safechuck himself says that he won prizes at school for his films - so I guess he wasn't complaining then!).

Actually, if MJ had abused Safechuck, why on earth would he encourage him to become proficient in film -making? Both Safechuck and Robson both had film making expertise and both could easily have made their own films about 'abuse', and shopped them around the media.

 

[nextbigthing56]

What date/dates and which channel have picked it up?

If I remember right I think it was TVNZ1? I don’t really watch TV but I think that was the channel I read. Unsure on the dates, might of been the 14th and 15th. I found a LONG article about it on the stuff website.

I honestly don’t know if MJs legacy can be repaired now. I think that this is even worse then 05. Atleast then he could fight it and can win. He can’t win this, he’s dead.

 

[Soundmind]

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Oh wow, really? At first it was said France wasn't gonna air it and now it's actually the other way and much worse with these sickos changing the title to that? So crystal clearly a agenda here it's insane.

If these guys had been very consistent with their stories, no weird shady history, had actually been credible (chuckle) then I would have understand this dog piling that the media is doing. But the exact opposite is true here. This is a tabloid story made up by two sick men and a "documentary" built around it.

David Geffen and Oprah are behind it all. Zero doubt about this.

 

[dmehta]

This is not correct. safechuck tells in his lawsuit that in 2005 he did not support michael in the trial because he already knew he was "a bad man" and it was in 2005 when he told his mother that something bad happened with Michael and him when he was a child .
in 2013 it was when he was "prepared" to tell it openly and denounce

Wasn’t Jimmy’s original story that he only “realised” he’d been abused too after seeing Wade come out with his story in 2013? He then made contradictory statements suggesting he was intimidated in 2005 into testifying, and told his mother at the time MJ was a “bad man”. Totally contradictoy and all over the place.

 

[myosotis]

Wasn’t Jimmy’s original story that he only “realised” he’d been abused too after seeing Wade come out with his story in 2013? He then made contradictory statements suggesting he was intimidated in 2005 into testifying, and told his mother at the time MJ was a “bad man”. Totally contradictoy and all over the place.

The 'intimidation about testifying' was, he said, MJ's 'top' lawyers threatening him with perjury ( lying) in 1993. But he had defended MJ in 1993. So why would MJ's lawyers threaten to say he was lying then? Makes no sense....like everything else.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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David Geffen and Oprah are behind it all. Zero doubt about this.

100%.

I read that Dutch TV VPRO is airing the full thing, four hours. Are people really gonna do that to themselves I wonder? Four hours means it's practically their whole evening. I can imagine maybe some people tuning in, but I can definitely imagine a good chunk of people just not bothering with it because they just don't care or like us really are sick and tired of all these vultures.

I'm absolutely not watching it, can't be giving them Ratings and can't be spending four hours watching these liars at work while inside my head things are about to explode, hell no. But I do wonder about that panel. I don't know how panels usually work with things like this (or is this a new thing actually?) but I hope there's balance here. They need to have people in that panel that can counter the questions they may have during/after having seen it. People that have done their homework and can easily discredit the two liars.

 

[Soundmind]

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But I seriously want to understand why his lawyers are not in the media attacking these losers? Everyone has a lawyer in the media nowadays who has become some sort of a celebrity advocating for their clients except for MJ. Why are they taking the high road? i ****ing hate Weisman. I have never trusted him and will never do.

 

[christy]

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The brothers have spoken, where's Janet?
Where arePP3 ?, the children!
If it's Blanket's first appearance...so be it !
Chopping the head off this offence is the best defence
Short statements, call out their BS: Money grabbing is the sole purpose of this mockumentary.
If I were the estate this's as URGENT AS BREAKING NEWS! as we speak.
There's NO Time To Waste! Breakneck speed, break all protocols,...
Get on to larger shows like
Ellen Degeneres (Donate to her Wild Life Fund)...whatever it takes..
Largest Radio Station in L.A. like KIIS 102.7 FM Ryan Seacrest...
Entertainment Tonite America
Good Morning America,
Jimmy Fallon, Saturday Nite live,
Savannah Guthrie
Robyn
Kelly Clarkson
The View
Beat the shit outta Wade James & Dan Reed and the ever - as- fake - as she comes - Okra!
To think she actually did meet up to Katherine Jackson,
and talked to Prince, Paris and Blanket in 2009 creeps me out..
Eew ! pukes! ...WT...Pfft!

 

[Lightbringer]

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So the Washington Post is calling out Michaels brothers and Taj for defending "their golden goose"....and fails to mention any money involved with the "victims" lawsuit, how fitting?

How hard can it be to understand Taj Jackson does not get paid by The Estate?

 

[Soundmind]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

The brothers have spoken, where's Janet?
Where are PP3 ?, the children!
If it's Blanket's first appearance...so be it !
Preempting this offence is the best defence
Short statements, call out their BS: Money grabbing is the sole purpose of this mockumentary.
If I were the estate this's as URGENT AS BREAKING NEWS! as we speak.
There's NO Time To Waste! Breakneck speed, break all protocols,...
Get on to larger shows like
Ellen Degeneres (Donate to her Wild Life Fund)...whatever it takes..
Largest Radio Station in L.A. like KIIS 102.7 FM Ryan Seacrest...
Entertainment Tonite America
Good Morning America,
Jimmy Fallon, Saturday Nite live,
Savannah Guthrie
Robyn
Kelly Clarkson
The View
Beat the shit outta Wade James & Dan Reed and the ever - as- fake - as she comes - Okra!
To think she actually did meet up to Katherine Jackson,
and talked to Prince, Paris and Blanket in 2009 creeps me out..
Eew ! pukes! ...WT...Pfft!

I think most of the shows you mention will not meet them before the documentary airs. Everyone wants to see the public reaction and act accordingly. Even those who believe in MJ's innocent are scarred of speaking out any word in his support now. They will gain absolutely nothing. Geffen is behind this and very powers people are backing it up. People in hollywood are not stupid, the gay mafia can turn the machine against anyone now and destroy them. The gay mafia wants all the attention shifted to mj like it was before the metoo and no one will dare to stop them.

 

[myosotis]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

The brothers have spoken, where's Janet?
Where are PP3 ?, the children!
If it's Blanket's first appearance...so be it !

Taj and Brandi are the best spokespeople. They know Robson, and they were around at the time. There is nothing MJ's children (or Janet) can say, that the Estate Atty's cannot put forward with more force. The 'anti' media will just say (correctly) of course they will defend their father / brother. Their statements will carry no weight.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Yes, BBC did interview them. The comments were on twitter as well as Facebook.

Thanks

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

That's why it's very important that the people that don't know the story behind these backstabbers yet do know it before watching that filth. We have done our best with constantly giving the facts and posting videos. We can do no more than our best. I'm sure Mike is proud of us all.

If the gen public are commenting on these sites and saying its B S then they are hardly gonna sit down and watch it. just like reed is doing the p.r rounds with all his nambla talk to try and make it look as perverted as poss so people watch. If people are calling it B.S based off P.R interviews then they will have no intrest sitting through 4 hrs of B.S

 

[elusive moonwalker]

I’m disappointed in some of the posters on here dissing new members simply because they have raised concerns about the legacy of MJ.

One of the main reasons why I joined this forum again after so many years ago was because I have major concerns about what this documentary will do for Michael’s legacy. I’m scared to death at the thought of my idol’s name being put through the gutter and him being put on a pedestal with the likes of Jimmy Savile.

We are not talking about just any criminal activity here, These allegations are in relation to child abuse, probably the most vile crime any human can make.

We as fans have a right to be worried. We can’t just say ah well , let the general public believe what they want.. I know MJ was innocent etc. It doesn’t work like that. His name will be tarnished.

PS, I’ve been a fan since early 2001, first album was Vince. I am not a troll.

Because those that were here in 03-05 saw the same type of things happen. Its known that sneddon and his cronies were on the boards and its know that reed and co are the same. Fans should educate themselves on the case if they arent already rather than stating they sound credible etc which couldnt be further from the truth.but its not surprising if some of us are suspicious.

 

[Laurendaccio]

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Singer seal is attacking oprah on instagram saying she knew what weinstein was doing ?

Where is the tweet ??? You should have screeshotted it , maybe if he is attacked by the industry he could delete it . I cant see the tweet on his official account .

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Where is the tweet ??? You should have screeshotted it , maybe if he is attacked by the industry he could delete it . I cant see the tweet on his official account .

Its old so not relevent now. From jan 2018 i was told

 

[8701girl]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Remember do not watch any of the broadcasts of "Leaving Neverland"; because, as twisted as it is, they are counting on Michael Jackson fans to give them a ratings boost.

i'll be watchong moonwalker and this is it