Contract Murray & AEG Contract

In my opinion, AEG didn't want to hire Murray at all and everything they did, or didn't do was merely a STALLING tactic. A stalling tactic, in the hopes that Michael would change his mind.

First of all, Murry was TOO expensive and AEG knew they could get Michael excellent medical care, if needed, once they arrived in London. If I'm not mistaken, they also would have had to pick up Murray's living expenses. Why go through all of that trouble and expense, when you could obtain quality medical care in London?

I'm sure there were many, MANY round-table discussions regarding this matter, and I won't be surprised if that type of testimony becomes part of the record, i.e. "We never wanted Murray to be a part of the team. We were hoping Michael changed his mind."

That certainly does make sense. London would have had many qualified doctors.

Apparently Murray had plenty of time to get a medical license for the U.K., and simply didn't do it? Or he tried, and was rejected? He clearly was having money problems. The police found the unsigned contract on the seat of his car. We may never know exactly WHAT transpired that night, but hopefully at least some of it will come out in court?
 
Yeah, makes economic sense to get a good shrink in London.
Either that, or AEG is waiting for him to produce his medical license in London. Without his license he cannot take up insurance. AEG 's just protecting themselves and covering their a$$e$

Bottomline, if AEG was so keen on hiring Conrad Murray, that contract would have been signed, sealed, and delivered.

And they would have moved heaven and earth to ensure that Murray got whatever he needed and that includes his medical license so that he could practice in London.

Thus far, the FACTS show that they did neither!
 
Using again the example of an "independent contractor" in the construction industry, I can see a situation where an electrician has an ORAL agreement to perform some work, and begins that work, but the contract is yet unsigned and payment has not yet been made. And, suppose that electrician makes a mistake that burns the building down! The client sues, both independent contractor, and the construction company. This is far from clear, in a legal sense, and would seem to be applicable in a "wrongful death" lawsuit, where it would have to be hammered out by the court.
In my country the construction company would be called the MAIN contractor
and the electrician would be the SUB-Contractor.
The main contractor awards the electrical wiring contract to the Electrician (sub -contractor)
and the sub contractor takes out a performance bond (insurance ) to cover for sums exceeding his contract amount.
The main contractor would even take up a larger performance bond (insurance) with sums far exceeding the costs of the building and on top of that, an umbrella insurance that covers fire, flooding,(drainage screw-ups, burst pipes, or piping gone wrong), workman injury compensation, medical insurance... etc....
If fire broke out and no deaths involved,
the owner of the builidng goes after the main contractor who
takes it up from his own insurance &
goes after the sub contractor (electrician) who has taken up insurance.
 
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Bottomline, if AEG was so keen on hiring Conrad Murray, that contract would have been signed, sealed, and delivered.

And they would have moved heaven and earth to ensure that Murray got whatever he needed and that includes his medical license so that he could practice in London.

Thus far, the FACTS show that they did neither!
Exactly why the contract's not signed. AEG 's not hiring him unless he gets his London License or this is just delay tactics...they'll dump him altogether when the time is near... preferring to get Michael a London shrink.
 
There is something really twisted about both Conrad Murray and AEG. All of them are lying.
 
In my opinion, AEG didn't want to hire Murray at all and everything they did, or didn't do was merely a STALLING tactic. A stalling tactic, in the hopes that Michael would change his mind.

First of all, Murry was TOO expensive and AEG knew they could get Michael excellent medical care, if needed, once they arrived in London. If I'm not mistaken, they also would have had to pick up Murray's living expenses. Why go through all of that trouble and expense, when you could obtain quality medical care in London?

I'm sure there were many, MANY round-table discussions regarding this matter, and I won't be surprised if that type of testimony becomes part of the record, i.e. "We never wanted Murray to be a part of the team. We were hoping Michael changed his mind."

I'm sure I read a "quote" from Frank DiLeo, wherein he says something like:

He told Michael that "Murray was asking for too much money, and that they could hire an ENTIRE HOSPITAL for that amount of money."

And if I recall correctly, DiLeo also mentioned how easy and CHEAPER it would be to hire a doctor once they arrived in London.

So I don't "think" it was much of a secret how those on the inside felt about hiring Conrad Murray.

These 2 points if true also shows us that AEG and Dileo didn't know about the specific treatment that murray was providing and/or they did not aim to dictate any not acceptable medical care for Michael.

Because Murray was a doctor who was willing to do something that he shouldn't medically do. If this is what AEG wanted why would they think Murray was expensive and think that he could be expendable or replaceable.

sure you can get a regular doctor providing regular care easily and more cheaper but this special treatment doctors shouldn't be that easy to find. It seems like they might be aware of what Murray was doing.

In my country the construction company would be called the MAIN contractor
and the electrician would be the SUB-Contractor.
The main contractor awards the electrical wiring contract to the Electrician (sub -contractor)
and the sub contractor takes out a performance bond (insurance ) to cover for sums exceeding his contract amount.
The main contractor would even take up a larger performance bond (insurance) with sums far exceeding the costs of the building and on top of that, an umbrella insurance that covers fire, flooding,(drainage screw-ups, burst pipes, or piping gone wrong), workman injury compensation, medical insurance... etc....
If fire broke out and no deaths involved,
the owner of the builidng goes after the main contractor who
takes it up from his own insurance &
goes after the sub contractor (electrician) who has taken up insurance.

I don't think that example works here. Look to item 6 in the contract. It says that Murray was to get insurance and liability and coverage seems to be put onto Murray.

More and more it seems like AEG is quite protected.
 
These 2 points if true also shows us that AEG and Dileo didn't know about the specific treatment that murray was providing and/or they did not aim to dictate any not acceptable medical care for Michael.

There remains the issue of that email requesting nursing staff and a "CPR machine," and where that email went, and who saw it. That request was so highly unusual, that either that email went totally astray, or AEG DID know something very, very strange was going on. The request was not for a defibrillator, as might be kept backstage, but for something that was more along the lines of a cardiac bypass machine, which is only used in hospitals under very controlled circumstances.

As far as DiLeo is concerned, he came on the scene LATE, and there is no way to know what he did or didn't know?

Because Murray was a doctor who was willing to do something that he shouldn't medically do. If this is what AEG wanted why would they think Murray was expensive and think that he could be expendable or replaceable.

sure you can get a regular doctor providing regular care easily and more cheaper but this special treatment doctors shouldn't be that easy to find. It seems like they might be aware of what Murray was doing.

I don't think that example works here. Look to item 6 in the contract. It says that Murray was to get insurance and liability and coverage seems to be put onto Murray.

More and more it seems like AEG is quite protected.

I agree, that AEG seems quite protected. I did some further research yesterday (didn't post the findings -- they were long and complex), but I found in case-law some medical malpractice cases that dealt exactly with the definition and concept of "contractor." A doctor working in a hospital (he killed someone) was found NOT to be an employee of the hospital in terms of hospital liability. The key issue was "control." Did the hospital (corporation) OVERSEE and control the doctor's activities? They did NOT, on a specific and daily basis. So in this case, the doctor WAS responsible, and the hospital was not. I think AEG could also make this case, that they didn't not "oversee and control" Murray's activities regarding Michael. If they KNEW what was going on (i.e. that email with the strange requests), there would be a moral/ethical responsibility, but probably NOT liability.
 
There remains the issue of that email requesting nursing staff and a "CPR machine," and where that email went, and who saw it. That request was so highly unusual, that either that email went totally astray, or AEG DID know something very, very strange was going on. The request was not for a defibrillator, as might be kept backstage, but for something that was more along the lines of a cardiac bypass machine, which is only used in hospitals under very controlled circumstances.

As far as DiLeo is concerned, he came on the scene LATE, and there is no way to know what he did or didn't know?

DiLeo may have come on the scene late, but he was "most likely" still filled in on anything that he missed. And the person and/or persons that filled him in will certainly be free to testify about anything that was said regarding the above.

In my opinion, the "emails" in question may be moot, only because of that clause stating that "Michael would have to execute a separate document regarding Murray's hire."

That certainly sounds like an extra step that, on the surface it seems to be something that is not usually a part of a contact. To my knowledge anyway. I mean, all parties would sign said contract and the deal would be done. No need for a person to sign a separate document regarding the same thing.

It appears that, for whatever reason, AEG took ANOTHER step with the signing of this contract.
 
It says that Murray was to get insurance and liability and coverage seems to be put onto Murray.

More and more it seems like AEG is quite protected.
I agree, that AEG seems quite protected. I did some further research yesterday ...but I found in case-law some medical malpractice cases that dealt exactly with the definition and concept of "contractor." A doctor working in a hospital (he killed someone) was found NOT to be an employee of the hospital in terms of hospital liability. The key issue was "control.....
"I think AEG could also make this case, that they didn't not "oversee and control" Murray's activities regarding Michael.

Pretty much renders Katherine & Joe's civil suit against AEG toast! They're only left with Murray and that would be put on the back burner till the criminal case's verdict is reached.
 
....In my opinion, the "emails" in question may be moot, only because of that clause stating that "Michael would have to execute a separate document regarding Murray's hire."

That certainly sounds like an extra step that, on the surface it seems to be something that is not usually a part of a contact. To my knowledge anyway. I mean, all parties would sign said contract and the deal would be done. No need for a person to sign a separate document regarding the same thing.

It appears that, for whatever reason, AEG took ANOTHER step with the signing of this contract.
Seems to me AEG's short of telling Michael "... No London license? No deal!
We have our own doctor, you want Murray, go make out a seperate hiring contract.

You sign, we sign, but with no liabilities attached... and until then ...all bets are off!"
 
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