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twinklEE said:
What an effing mess!! Seriously Michael is dehumanized and kicked beyond human comprehension. The hatred toward Michael is bigger than the hatred toward the likes of Hitler.
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I agree that MJ is dehumanized and kicked, but I'm not sure if its only hate behind it.
I just read Justin Bieber's recent interview (he models his career according to what MJ did) and there was this bit that caught my attention:
"Bieber's no dummy - he understands that controversy, real or fabricated, sells.
While the stories aren't always true or quite what they seem, he knows his dedicated Beliebers will always jump to his defence and negative publicity results in more magazines being sold and more traffic to websites.
'When people see a negative thing about me on a magazine, they're gonna buy it. Every time some site writes something bad, all my followers go on there, and it brings them more traffic. Now they have all the Beliebers on their site, which gives them money from advertisers. They're just worried about money. They don't care about ruining someone's name.'"

I didn't post this Justin bit to create hate against JB, but because I agree with what he says.

Its the same with us (Moonwalkers:)). When there is negative article on MJ, we'll be swarming all over that media outlet letting them know what we think of them, but they don't care what we say as long as there is traffic. That 60 minutes programme purposely interviewed CM to get viewers, because they know Moonwalkers will be all over them.

This is never going to stop, because as much Michael is loved, he is hated too, so article or interview relating to him will bring in fans and haters to their site :no:


Ps, JB has Beliebers, Gaga has Monsters, we should call ourselves Moonwalkers :D
 
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You'd think that after Michael died they would stop their bull s**t, or at least tone it down, but no. In fact they've gotten worse since he's died.
 
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The witch hunt that the media has with Michael is shocking and revolting. What is it about Michael that makes him so threatening for these people? The media treatment towards Michael goes far beyond ''typical media reporting''
 
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And here we go
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.... more shit coming....
 
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I knew sooner or later Murray would be asked about that. Everybody around Michael gets asked that question. And all it does is create a new round of mess every single time. Disgusting.
 
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Bubs said:
I agree that MJ is dehumanized and kicked, but I'm not sure if its only hate behind it.
I just read Justin Bieber's recent interview (he models his career according to what MJ did) and there was this bit that caught my attention:
"Bieber's no dummy - he understands that controversy, real or fabricated, sells.
While the stories aren't always true or quite what they seem, he knows his dedicated Beliebers will always jump to his defence and negative publicity results in more magazines being sold and more traffic to websites.
'When people see a negative thing about me on a magazine, they're gonna buy it. Every time some site writes something bad, all my followers go on there, and it brings them more traffic. Now they have all the Beliebers on their site, which gives them money from advertisers. They're just worried about money. They don't care about ruining someone's name.'"

I didn't post this Justin bit to create hate against JB, but because I agree with what he says.

Its the same with us (Moonwalkers:)). When there is negative article on MJ, we'll be swarming all over that media outlet letting them know what we think of them, but they don't care what we say as long as there is traffic. That 60 minutes programme purposely interviewed CM to get viewers, because they know Moonwalkers will be all over them.

This is never going to stop, because as much Michael is loved, he is hated too, so article or interview relating to him will bring in fans and haters to their site :no:


Ps, JB has Beliebers, Gaga has Monsters, we should call ourselves Moonwalkers :D
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That is more or less true. We see it on this forum. Positive stories about Michael get fewer people than negative stories which can easily reach dozen of pages. Bad news sells and get traffic whether you are a fan or a hater.
 
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You know its ****ing disgusting to ask an effing proven killer. A person who took someone's life to ask if michael was a pedophile or not. For ****s sake the media knows knows very well whats its doing. How can a ****ing killer be given a platform to dehumanize his vicitm. Michael Jackson was not a pedophile and those who bring this non issue p time after time after tims again, are the ones who secretely wish he was one to justify their very own abnormal thoughts.
 
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twinklEE said:
You know its ****ing disgusting to ask an effing proven killer. A person who took someone's life to ask if michael was a pedophile or not. For ****s sake the media knows knows very well whats its doing. How can a ****ing killer be given a platform to dehumanize his vicitm. Michael Jackson was not a pedophile and those who bring this non issue p time after time after tims again, are the ones who secretely wish he was one to justify their very own abnormal thoughts.
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I have been going over this for some time about why the media acts the way it does around Michael. I do think part of it is racist, jealousy, and self-projection, but there is something else.

In my opinion, the media simply does not view Michael as a person. He is an object used for ratings and debate, kind of like how we discuss characters in fiction. Although he died, because of how well the estate has been doing, he does not feel dead. His influence and presence is still widely felt so it is easy to forget that Michael is dead and that he was a real person. I remember during a discussion board about Michael one of the panelists said if they did not live in the same time as Michael, she would have believed that Michael was a cartoon character. I personal that only exist in fiction, not someone that could be a real person at one time.

I think since Thriller Michael just became otherworldly. Which is why people have problems seeing him as a human. Michael also helped pushed this idea by the way he presented himself with his fashion, his voice, and his child-like personality. As he said himself, 'he would become magic'. Even fans some have a problems separating the man from the performer and image. For the media, it is much the same. Once you stopped seeing someone as a person, you can do the most inhuman things, which is how slavery, Jim Crow, and genocides happens.

I think that is the primary factor of why the media seemed to love to hate on Michael with the mix of racism and jealousy thrown in there.


Edit: Just wanted to add that the bias Michael receive from the media reminds me of Obama Derangement Syndrome. For those who do not know, Obama Derangement Syndrome is what people are called who hate on Obama about everything regardless of facts. For example, Obama goes on vacation he is called lazy and irresponsibility by the right wing, despite taking less vacation days then Bush who they never complained about. Obama put his feet on his desk, they call it disrespectful to the office of the presidency, despite every modern president has put their foot on a desk. His was not born in the US, despite him releasing his birth certificate and the announcement in the newspaper. It goes on.

My point, I think the global media suffers from a sever case of Michael Derangement Syndrome.
 
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Murray on 60 mins

Conrad Murray has been interviewed and will be on 60 Mins Australia, next Sun
 
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Those type of junk links should NOT be shared. You do them a favour by helping them to get more clicks for that bullshit. Just look at what words they put into that URL link. Disgusting.
 
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Too true Ramona - your theory makes sense. There is also what we in Australia call the "tall poppy syndrome", where anyone who stands above the crowd is cut to shreds. This has happened since William Randolph Hearst invented tabloid journalism and used it to utterly destroy the career of the most successful, well loved, and highest paid celebrity of the time, Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle. It's unbelievable that this is still going on today.

Anyway, back to the subject, I have sent some information about advertisers to the Boycott Murray campaign. The show is being heavily promoted, and its looking very sensational in the usual 60 minutes style.

After the Wade Robson thing, just another reason to be embarrassed to be Australian.
 
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Im sorry Im not a fan of Radar online either, but it is the only link I could find on the topic.

I searched the actual 60 mins site and there was nothing there I could find on advertising it.

Im in Australia and saw this advertised tonight on TV & thought people would like to know the show was coming up. I was a bit stunned to see he was on a show presented in Australia.

Also, I was not sure where to put this information, so I trusted the moderators would move it to the appropriate place if needed.

I agree it looks like its presented with large tones of sensationalism. Even if you watch the 60mins video on there & the way they present it is the same. This is the same people that interviewed Katherine a while ago.

Watch it or avoid it if you wish. I intend to watch it, but I'm unsure when it will be available to you in the US or other parts of the world.

Thanks.
 
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It was only a matter of time before a media outlet gave Murray a mouthpiece. We Should complain strongly to the channel showing this. Why make a convicted killer more famous? Disgusting.
 
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Email complaints here! 60Minutes@nine.com.au


Btw something tells me "the answer nobody saw coming" will be the answer that anybody who followed mj should expect - mj was NOT a criminal.! Idiotic media pushing their mj was a pedo agenda. The only good thing that comes out of this could be murrays assertion that mj was innocent.
 
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bobmoo79 said:
Email complaints here! 60Minutes@nine.com.au


Btw something tells me "the answer nobody saw coming" will be the answer that anybody who followed mj should expect - mj was NOT a criminal.! Idiotic media pushing their mj was a pedo agenda. The only good thing that comes out of this could be murrays assertion that mj was innocent.
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His answer depends on how much they pay him.

PS, God knows what ideas his defense team gave him when they tried to bring in issues from MJ's 2005 trial to his defense, and they went as far as got one lawyer from MJ 2005 team to be CM's attorney, so he might have been fed all sort of things and with right amount of money, he'll repeat them on that program.


I know for sure that he will put the whole blame on Michael and cries that he was an innocent bystander, and Michael killed himself. Unfortunately no reporter never ask him about the 17 egregious medical errors he made, and those errors put him behind the bars.
 
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don't care what this waste of life has to say, my opinion on him is finalised. :mat:
 
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Bubs said:
His answer depends on how much they pay him.

PS, God knows what ideas his defense team gave him when they tried to bring in issues from MJ's 2005 trial to his defense, and they went as far as got one lawyer from MJ 2005 team to be CM's attorney, so he might have been fed all sort of things and with right amount of money, he'll repeat them on that program.


I know for sure that he will put the whole blame on Michael and cries that he was an innocent bystander, and Michael killed himself. Unfortunately no reporter never ask him about the 17 egregious medical errors he made, and those errors put him behind the bars.
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And if i know the media they'll probably portray Murray as the sweet and sympathetic doctor and MJ as the evil drug addict
 
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If Elvis was alive and murray had did this to Elvis. the media would despise murray, but since it's Michael they're treating murray like the poor little victim he claims to be.
 
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Has the media ever given John Lennon's killer a platform?
 
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^ they actually have interviewed him etc. so yeah! Not to mention documentaries, and movie about him..

But of course with Michael they are going to do whatever will SELL.. Respect takes the back door!
 
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analogue said:
Has the media ever given John Lennon's killer a platform?
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Yes, although Chapman is still in prison and will stay there as long as Yoko fights against his release.

From wiki:
Following the murder, and for the first six years in Attica, Chapman refused all requests for interviews. James R. Gaines interviewed him and wrote a three-part, 18,000-word People magazine series in February and March 1987.[52][53][22] Chapman told the parole board he regretted the interview. Chapman later gave a series of audio-taped interviews to Jack Jones of the Democrat and Chronicle. In 1992 Jones published a book, Let Me Take You Down: Inside the Mind of Mark David Chapman, the Man Who Killed John Lennon.
Also in 1992, Chapman gave two television interviews. On December 4, 1992, 20/20 aired an interview that he gave to Barbara Walters, his first television interview since the shooting.[54] On December 17, 1992, Larry King interviewed Chapman on his program Larry King Live.[55] In 2000, with his first parole hearing approaching, Jack Jones asked Chapman to tell his story for Mugshots, a CourtTV program. Chapman refused to go on camera but, after praying over it, consented to tell his story in a series of audiotapes.
Chapman's experiences during the weekend on which he committed the murder have been turned into a feature-length movie called Chapter 27, in which he was played by Jared Leto. The film was written and directed by Jarrett Schaefer and is based on the book Let Me Take You Down: Inside the Mind of Mark David Chapman by Jack Jones. The film's title is a reference to The Catcher in the Rye, which has 26 chapters.[56] Chapter 27 premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in January 2007 and received polarized reactions from critics. The film had a limited release in theaters in the United States in March 2008.[57] Chapter 27 was released widely onto DVD on September 30, 2008. Another film was made before the feature film entitled The Killing of John Lennon starring Jonas Ball as Chapman, which documents Chapman's life before and up to the murder and portrays Chapman in a somewhat sympathetic light. The film features Ball as Chapman narrating the film and states that all the words are Chapman's own.
 
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There is no doubt if this was NOT Michael Jackson and some other white large artist Murray would still be in jail... For a very long time!! People have gone to jail longer for such smaller crimes, it is absolutely ridiculous what he's gotten away.. And YES he got away, spending the time he did in jail was nothing compared to the damage he caused.
 
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I know within the general public peoples opinions vary when it comes to who's at fault BUT...

While it was reckless to ever use the drug in the first place.. it was the poor monitoring, the lack of proper equipment, and the lack of action taken by the "DR". There is a reason why when someone goes under for surgery that the patient has to sign a waver that the hospital or DR would not be held liable if anything happens to them.. Without that signed they hold full responsibility for what happens!! And that is basically what happened with Michael. Not only that Murray covered his tracks and lied about several things to cover his lack of attention and care which in itself is an omission of guilt. This was Medical malpractice to the fullest!! Anyone that watched the case closely saw the evidence to showcase that, whatever the purpose of use of the drug, he died in DR's care when it was 100% preventable.
 
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Murray had to go all the way Down Under to get an interview. Says alot about him and the media culture in Australia, I think.

OT - Ramona - good to see you back! I think we should set up a separate thread to discuss the issue of Michael and the media. I think it is a discussion worth having, because it is an important and integral part of his legacy.
 
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KOPV said:
There is no doubt if this was NOT Michael Jackson and some other white large artist Murray would still be in jail... For a very long time!! People have gone to jail longer for such smaller crimes, it is absolutely ridiculous what he's gotten away.. And YES he got away, spending the time he did in jail was nothing compared to the damage he caused.
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Murray got the maximum sentence allowed under the law for Manslaughter. He wasn't given special treatment by the court as you suggest. We have the whole trial here and the sentencing recorded by the judge, His crime was not taken lightly because it was Michael Jackson. You can review the whole Trial in our archives. But yes I agree his time in jail is nothing compared to the damage and heart break he caused.
 
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TheChosenOne said:
Murray had to go all the way Down Under to get an interview. Says alot about him and the media culture in Australia, I think.

OT - Ramona - good to see you back! I think we should set up a separate thread to discuss the issue of Michael and the media. I think it is a discussion worth having, because it is an important and integral part of his legacy.
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Sounds good to me. I think in a couple years or decades, there will be classes that will study the media bias around Michael.
 
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