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I agree qbee and I have been hammering that point home, trust me! LOL.
 
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And the silence is deafening. Once again

I am unsure who are you referring to so I am asking.

Some do not want to dignify his every hateful and unremorseful fabrication with a comment.

Those here in this thread are doing their best, I believe, to debunk what they feel he is fabricating and to support what they feel he is truthful about.

When one believes strongly in their actions and thoughts, they do not need to look for additional assistance. They can stand alone.

Whose support are you looking for or feel you need?
 
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I agree Ramona. I know this off-topic but I feel Michael 'confided' in certain people with certain 'personal' stories to see what would end up in the public domain and he would know if he could trust that person.

You know... that's not actually so hard to believe. I heard Kim Kardashian did that with her new baby, she and Kanye apparently sent out fake photos to 'friends' to see who would leak it. Apparently one photo was leaked too and the baby in the photo wasn't even theirs :p

It's nice to actually see some of the media defending Michael... but it's also kinda sad that I have to point this out as well. It's still nice though, because at first the media seemed negative (and some papers were), but then you have the people on The View, for example, speaking out against Murray in defence of Michael.
 
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I watched the 60 minutes interview. It's so disgusting. Murray would be better off if he admitted to his mistakes, something he will never do. It's not that I blind worship Michael, I even ruffled a few feathers when I posted here,prior to the trial that I believed Michael was addicted to pres drugs. However, it's hard not to feel disgusted listening to Murray saying all those things about someone who is not here anymore. A doctor has a medical ethic to follow, he cannot disclose details of their patients to the public like Murray is doing, saying Michael leaked and had to wear dark pants. Repulsive man.
 
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I don't want to hear from him or see him or anything. I feel sick about it. He doesn't even care that he killed Michael. He doesn't think he did anything wrong. I just hope that people if they have any decency at all don't talk to this man.
 
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He's deluded himself into thinking he's the victim, when really anyone with 1/10th of a brain realises that's not the case.

Plain and simple.
 
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I don't want to hear from him or see him or anything. I feel sick about it. He doesn't even care that he killed Michael. He doesn't think he did anything wrong. I just hope that people if they have any decency at all don't talk to this man.

This my hope as well, if for nothing else but respect for his children and sparing them from further heartbreaking details.
 
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I wish I had a STFU remote. So like, anytime this fool would open his mouth, I'd just press a button on the remote and he'd just shut the hell up. It's obvious he's delusional, and thirsty for attention. Ugh. -___- not freakin spiffy. Not at all.
 
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We need no words.Just that picture. [11 posts back.]
 
<header class="entry-header" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(116, 116, 116); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 19px;">Jacksons: Death Doc Conrad Murray ‘Blatantly Lying’ — He Was NOT Incontinent

Posted on Nov 27, 2013 @ 3:38AM | By Jen Heger - Assistant Managing Editor</header>
Disgraced death doc Conrad Murray‘s claim that Michael Jackson was incontinent is a blatant lie and serves as more evidence that the singer’s ex-personal physician had questionable medical practices, the Jackson family believes.
During a recent interview, Murrayprotested: “You want to know how close Michael and I were? I held his penis every night. I had to put a condom catheter on him because Michael dripped urine. He had a loss of sensation and was incontinent.”
The man — who has been dubbed delusional — added: “It was the most intimate thing but he trusted me.”
They’re claims that have incensed the legendary music family.

“Conrad is delusional, ok? Let’s not forget that,” said a source inside the family.
“Of course Michael needed a catheter as Murray was knocking him out for hours using Propofol. Had Conrad not used a catheter, Michael could have gone into kidney failure. The notion or claim Michael was incontinent is absolutely preposterous. Given that Conrad gave Michael one handed CPR, it remarkable that he recognized Michael needed a catheter because of the fluids being pumped into him while he was under.”
The former cardiologist has also insisted the singer after injecting himself with a lethal dose of a surgical anesthetic — a claim that has been contradicted by evidence.
As Radar exposed, the King of Pop’s fingerprints were never found on any of the medical equipment or vials which were found at the Holmby Hills, Calif., death scene.

In his first interview after being released from prison, the defiant doctor also charged: “That night he just couldn’t sleep. I prescribed him drugs to help, including valium and lorazepam [an anti-anxiety treatment], but he was begging, pleading, close to tears. ‘I want sleep, please Dr Conrad, I need sleep.’ I told him, ‘This is not normal. What I’ve given you would put an elephant to sleep.’
“In the other bedroom [Michael’s private chamber], the police found an open bottle of lorazepam. They found tablets in his stomach. I didn’t give him those. Michael took extra tablets. And he injected himself.”
But as RadarOnline first revealed in the middle of Murray’s involuntary manslaughter trial, Jackson’s fingerprints were never found on ANY Propofol or Lorazepam bottles, or intravenous tubing.
“The Los Angeles Police Department didn’t find any fingerprints of Michael Jackson’s on any Propofol bottles or the Lorazepam bottles. There were no partial fingerprints of Michael’s or any unknown prints on the medication bottles,” revealed a source close to the initial investigation.

Meanwhile, the Jacksons just want “Conrad Murray to crawl back under the rock he came from.”
Said the source: “It’s amazing that someone who chose not to take the stand in his own self defense at Jackson’s involuntary death manslaughter trial and in Katherine Jackson’s wrongful death lawsuit case against AEG, has so much to say about Michael after the fact. He is a self-serving and disgusting human being.”

Source Radar on line

 
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I know it is disgusting, no doubt about it. I just don't know whether there is any difference media behaviour whether we boycott articles of him or not. Like Bonnie Blue already mentioned, RS did an interview with C Manson, and not long ago they had this Boston Bomber on cover. We know the way media carries away is totally unfair, but seemingly they are not going to change, so if nothing else, we need to work with them.

If it doesn't make any difference, perhaps we should think what way we can do a nudge to these reporters to dig deeper with their questions, and CM himself digs himself in the deep s..t hole (pardon my language). CM is narcissistic sociopath, and he will go bonkers when he is questioned of his actions or he makes fool of himself on national tv (even internationally) because he cannot lie his way out of the mess.
Hopefully when he realizes that reporters are not believing his lies, he will fade away.

I agree. ALso, I think sometimes we think the overall public is stupid. I do not believe that to be true. I think MOST good thinking people know the media is full of bull. I think MOST people, if any of them heard this story by Conrad, are more angry by him for discussing this about MJ. ALL I have been hearing since this nut spoke is angry comments. I think the media loves to focus on the folks who loves to talk bad about MJ and others but I will never believe the overall public is wasting thier time listening to this nut. Yes, there are ALWAYS going to be few nut to agree with Murray (Like I have said in another post, even CHarles Manson had people compassion for him and look at George ZImmerman who killed an unarmed teenager in cold blood and some folks was passionate to him just because he killed someone who was black). MJ was loved in life and even AFTER death (that is why his death was taken so hard by MILLIONS. If he was not loved, MJ death would not have been so hurtful to MOST people and shut down the internet. COnrad is only revealing what many with good thinking minds thought of him. He is a nut job and should have NEVER been given a doctors' license. Even the medical world is shaking their heads at this fool. go figure.
 
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It is not always good to comment on everything. A person like COnrad Murray will only show what he is about and people can see it. As the old saying goes, "no one knows a fools UNTIL he/she opens his/her mouth and remove all doubt".
 
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The worst so far was that Mail on Sunday interview which was sympathetic to him and also instead of focusing on Murray's responsibility, they just wanted him to talk ish about Michael. British tabloids...
Well, that is a tabloid, what else do we expect.
 
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Murray wasn't charged with malicious intent or intent to do MJ harm. So I agree with your friends in that aspect. That is not the problem. Your friends should be aware It was his unethical medical treatment and gross negligent actions as a Dr. that cause Michael's death, regardless of his intent. His personal feelings about MJ whether genuine or not don't factor in and have nothing to do with it. He was a terrible unethical negligent DR. He put his patient in danger every night and didn't monitor him. His negligent actions in treating Michael were considered CRIMINAL ( Involuntary Manslaughter) by the court and the medical boards that pulled his license, He went to Jail for his Criminal actions as a Doctor not as MJ's friend. A doctor should know better and friend wouldnt be speaking of all MJs embarrassing medical problems in public. So he is a terrible Doctor and a Terrible friend as well.
Exactly. This is why I also do not know why he keeps going on "I loved MJ" and "he was friend" blah, blah, blah. SO WHAT IF these things were the case. Conrad Murray is like a DRUNK DRIVER. The bottom line is that he killed a man and did stupid and unethical things AS A DOCTOR. And as I said, IF MJ was all of this so called hooked on meds, etc, that makes IT WORST in my book because Murray was a doctor and KNEW MJ was so called hooked on meds YET Murray STILL, AS A MEDICAL DOCTOR, CONTINUE TO INJECTED MJ with all these meds. SO even IF someone believed what Murray said, Murray STILL look like a guilty nut. There is no way around it. Even with his comment, "I did nothing wrong". REALLY? You LEFT a patient UNWATCHED, YOU DID NOT KNOW the right CPR nor had the RIGHT EQUIPMENT to use that meds if something went wrong, YOU did NOT CALL 911 soon (even with all the mistakes that was made, If Murray was gone only a few minutes and came back and saw MJ not breathing, MJ could have still been saved by someone doing CPR at that moment, call 911 and have 911 on their way while trying to give MJ air), etc. This idoit makes no sense.
 
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And people call us fans crazy and delusional for saying that the media as an agenda against Michael

Well, people who say that about fans are haters and they are the one who is delusional.
 
Murray is so delusional and narcissistic, the claims that he is making about Michael will only get more sensational.&#8221;
-------------------- yeah but he is only making himself look like a fool. NOT MJ. Even with the "holding of MJ's private part" comment. Most people are saying the same thing which is "you were MJ's doctor and MJ was unconscious and needed a cather; however, that does NOT mean that you are close to him. it just mean, you were his doctor". I had ovarian surgery to remove a cyst and fibroid surgery, and if that rule was true about being "close", that means I have many doctors who are close to me. NOT.
 
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He said, in the beginning the tried to be openminded (yes - dont need to comment,i know its TMZ ),'cause they think Murray didnt want to kill MJ.But now every little bit of trying to understand is gone.

and at the end - its TMZ- Media-what else do we have to say...just sad
Well,I think MOST people including many fans do not think Murray wanted to kill MJ; however, HE DID and it could have been avoided if he was following medical rules.. He is like a DRUNK DRIVER. He was RECKLESS, UNETHNICAL, CARELESS as a MEDICAL DOCTOR. A DRUNK DRIVEr does Not mean to kill; however, if a drunk driver drinks and know the LAWS are against drinking and driving but he/she drinks anyway, gets into car, and kill someome, he/she will be CHARGED WITH same thing Murray was charged with.
 
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The MD That Killed MJ: Five Awful Quotes From His Tell-All Interview

In 2012 Dr. Conrad Murray was sentenced to four years for involuntary manslaughter. He had been administering the surgical anesthetic propofol to Michael Jackson to help him sleep, which is a bit like your family doctor giving you a bottle of 90 Vicodin for a stubbed toe. Michael Jackson, age 50, died as a result.

Like most nonviolent offenders in California, Dr. Murray served half his time, and he is now out...on the interview circuit.

A lot of fans familiar with the Jackson clan are used to scumbag behavior of the highest order. I'd like to to explain, from a medical perspective, why Dr. Murray deserves a special level of hell for his exploitation of Michael Jackson.

In this Daily Mail interview, Murray crosses pretty much every boundary normally maintained in the patient-physician relationship. In trying to showcase his innocence, he proves he's even worse than we thought. Let's break it down, shall we?

1) 'We were family. We loved each other as brothers.'

Good doctors don't say they love patients. Clinicians are human, and we care for patients, sometimes a lot. However, a doctor holds a unique power over a patient. Saying "I love you" entangles the patient in a "family" relationship with a seriously ****ed up power disparity. Michael Jackson, who was publicly and tragically searching for a loving family pretty much his entire life, did not need a doctor to say "I love you." He needed a doctor to treat his physical and mental illnesses.

2) 'You want to know how close we were? I held his penis every night to fit a catheter because he was incontinent at night.'

Good doctors do not brag about doing routine procedures, particularly when the procedure is an embarrassing one, like putting in a catheter. But this isn't just sad because Murray is bragging about a procedure you could probably do yourself for an ailing friend or family member: it's evil because this is a massive, heinous breach of medical confidentiality. Yes, this would be straight up illegal if this information hadn't been brought to light already in Dr. Murray's trial for killing Jackson. This is the kind of information that Dr. Murray swore as a physician that he would take to his grave for Michael Jackson. Instead, Michael Jackson is in his grave, and this information is in the Daily Mail.

3) 'I tried to protect him but instead I was brought down with him.'

No, Dr. Murray: the full weight of your bad judgment was brought down on him, and he died as a result. A good doctor admits a mistake, especially when the mistake was costly or fatal. If you don't admit your mistakes, you're going to make them again and again. I wouldn't put this guy in charge of the medical care of a stray dog.

4) 'I am a trained cardiac specialist, this is what I do.'

This is an outright lie. Murray was trained in cardiology. In his enormously lucrative private practice as an in-home physician to the stars, he was treating all kinds of illness well outside of his specialty however he saw fit. He identified that his patient was a drug addict with incredible access to all kinds of medications from many different doctors, and instead of seeking the correct specialized care for his patient's serious medical condition, he gave him more addictive drugs. He was out of his depth and he knew it, and he didn't stop.

5) 'It was the most intimate thing but he trusted me. I was a doctor, so that sort of thing didn't bother me.'

In this final coup de creep Murray is talking about a medical procedure as if it was personally intimate for him. When you feel personally intimate with a patient, it is time to refer them to another clinician, or at least bring your clinical team together to talk about your inappropriate feelings and how to proceed. Murray, of course, was operating on his own — he didn't think he needed a care team, in spite of Jackson's state of near-neglect and myriad health problems. He intentionally worked in a setting where there was no chance his terrible judgements would be challenged by another qualified healthcare worker.

Too bad for the State of California. They spent so much time building a case to convict this charlatan, and he pretty much does the job for them in an interview not two full years later.

I post the link here as there are some interesting comments and this is not tabloid(?).
http://groupthink.jezebel.com/the-md-that-killed-mj-five-awful-quotes-from-his-tell-1470774300

Great job in commenting and breaking it down.
 
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^Point no 4 is wrong.

4) 'I am a trained cardiac specialist, this is what I do.'

This is an outright lie. Murray was trained in cardiology. In his enormously lucrative private practice as an in-home physician to the stars, he was treating all kinds of illness well outside of his specialty however he saw fit.

This blogger obv just assumes murray was some type of hollywood dr feelgood which he wasn't. Murray didn't have an enormously lucrative private practise - i can't remember from the 2 trials the details but the clients at the practises seemed to be among low income people (?), his medical centre 'assistants' who appeared as witnesses didn't seem particularly qualified. In any case, he was deep in debt, so his outgoings were far more than the income he was making from his work.

It might actually have been better if he had been a 'physician to the stars' - he had no experience whatsoever of treating a celeb and he might have acted less like a deer caught in headlights around the tii situation, and perhaps been borderline competent.
 
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is there somewhere the whole interview uploaded?
there is only the 11 minute clip.
 
terrell;3933841 said:
It is not always good to comment on everything. A person like COnrad Murray will only show what he is about and people can see it. As the old saying goes, "no one knows a fools UNTIL he/she opens his/her mouth and remove all doubt".

Agreed. It is an interesting view that unless a feeling is not expressed publicly (and in this situation, for others&#8217; entertainment), one believes it is not felt privately. Interesting indeed.

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The worst so far was that Mail on Sunday interview which was sympathetic to him and also instead of focusing on Murray's responsibility, they just wanted him to talk ish about Michael. British tabloids...

Agreed. I am glad someone spoke out against that article in particular.

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This blogger obv just assumes murray was some type of hollywood dr feelgood which he wasn't. Murray didn't have an enormously lucrative private practise - i can't remember from the 2 trials the details but the clients at the practises seemed to be among low income people (?), his medical centre 'assistants' who appeared as witnesses didn't seem particularly qualified. In any case, he was deep in debt, so his outgoings were far more than the income he was making from his work.

Correct. This is where history that is not that far in the past is rewritten without many noticing. Yes, the civil trial is where he was toted as successful when he was far from it. Very similar to another post where you said Michael had only seen this doctor seven times in three years which is fact while that relationship was portrayed as closer than that from the defense and this killer's point of view.
 
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BRAVO TO THE ESTATE!! A CEASE AND DESIST LETTER TO MURRAY

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Thank you!
 
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The estate controls doctor-patient privilege, not Michael's family, so the estate is performing the role only they can.

The timing and the content of this letter is interesting.

Question please: Will it be possible to post Wass' response if she indeed responds?
 
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Question please: Will it be possible to post Wass' response if she indeed responds?

only if she responds in an "open letter" manner - meaning shares her answer publicly
 
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BRAVO TO THE ESTATE!! A CEASE AND DESIST LETTER TO MURRAY

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That is the kind of action we need and expect from the estate. Thank you Mr Weitzman and Greeneyes for posting!
 
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Yes CM will keeping talking and will discredit himself. If people put too much focus on what he is doing he will gain more attention. Sometimes it is wise to not respond at all. It does take discernment on whether a response is required.
 
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This man shocked me with his rambling, i expected him to come out and tell nice things about Michael?
He LOVED Loved love him? and the children?
How can someone be so heartless...
 
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Question - Can the Estate now work with the United States Department of Justice to enforce his clear violation of HIPAA laws and fine his ass and send him back to prison???

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HIPAA Violations and Enforcement


Failure to comply with HIPAA can result in civil and criminal penalties (42 USC § 1320d-5).

Civil Penalties
The “American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009”(ARRA) that was signed into law on February 17, 2009, established a tiered civil penalty structure for HIPAA violations (see below). The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) still has discretion in determining the amount of the penalty based on the nature and extent of the violation and the nature and extent of the harm resulting from the violation. The Secretary is still prohibited from imposing civil penalties (except in cases of willful neglect) if the violation is corrected within 30 days (this time period may be extended).

Criminal Penalties
In June 2005, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) clarified who can be held criminally liable under HIPAA. Covered entities and specified individuals, as explained below, whom "knowingly" obtain or disclose individually identifiable health information in violation of the Administrative Simplification Regulations face a fine of up to $50,000, as well as imprisonment up to one year. Offenses committed under false pretenses allow penalties to be increased to a $100,000 fine, with up to five years in prison. Finally, offenses committed with the intent to sell, transfer, or use individually identifiable health information for commercial advantage, personal gain or malicious harm permit fines of $250,000, and imprisonment for up to ten years.

Covered Entity and Specified Individuals
The DOJ concluded that the criminal penalties for a violation of HIPAA are directly applicable to covered entities—including health plans, health care clearinghouses, health care providers who transmit claims in electronic form, and Medicare prescription drug card sponsors. Individuals such as directors, employees, or officers of the covered entity, where the covered entity is not an individual, may also be directly criminally liable under HIPAA in accordance with principles of "corporate criminal liability." Where an individual of a covered entity is not directly liable under HIPAA, they can still be charged with conspiracy or aiding and abetting.

Knowingly
The DOJ interpreted the "knowingly" element of the HIPAA statute for criminal liability as requiring only knowledge of the actions that constitute an offense. Specific knowledge of an action being in violation of the HIPAA statute is not required.

Full DOJ memorandum
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http://www.ama-assn.org//ama/pub/ph...ability-act/hipaa-violations-enforcement.page
 
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