Conrad Murray: "MJ hired me and HATED AEG"

[Tygger]

Restitution does not stop indirect profit no matter how that concept is spun. The Goldmans’ prevented Simpson from direct profit. Monies went from Harper Collins publishing to Simpson’s daughter’s publishing company, and then directly to Simpson as expenses. That is not indirect profit and was considered fraudulent. Alvarez, or whoever sold this message, did not commit fraud and the monies go directly to whoever sold the message, not the doctor. Killers are pariahs and no media outlet will directly pay this convict for anything.

Even if we imagine Katherine accepting restitution, this article would still be reality. These articles would not exist if there was not a demand (which equates to profits for these medial outlets) no matter how small. The general public was not that concerned with Michael so they are not concerned with his killer’s views on anything; only some of Michael’s fans are.

 

[ivy]

]I dont think the judge has told the jury if they can listen or watch media or not

she did and she's doing regular reminders. It's a very standard rule. Don't discuss the case with anyone, don't read or listen to any media stories.

The general public was not that concerned with Michael

really? is that why the tabloids non-stop publish negative stories about Michael? public doesn't care and it is the fans that demand, read and pay for the negative stories?

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at the end of the day all of this direct profit, indirect profit discussion doesn't matter. The reality is whether we like it or not, Murray is and will be making money from Michael. Lack of restitution made it a lot more easier for him. Sure the fans will protest any book or an interview but the tabloids at least would keep printing Murray's lies as they did up until now.

 

[Tygger]

really? is that why the tabloids non-stop publish negative stories about Michael? public doesn't care and it is the fans that demand, read and pay for the negative stories?

Four years after Michael's passing, yes, it is indeed mostly fans.

 

[ivy]

Four years after Michael's passing, yes, it is indeed mostly fans.

this might become kinda insulting to the fans. for example almost 2 months ago British tabloid Sunday People have published a totally made up story claiming to be citing FBI files that Michael had paid off dozens of boys. Fans have heavily protested it and Estate and Taj Jackson filed complaints about it. Sunday People kept mocking the fans on their twitter.

It's kinda offensive to claim that such stories are mostly being published because fans demand, read or pay for such stories. I'm pretty sure none of the fans I know, either want or ever pay for such stories. Fans spend their times fighting such negative stories. So that makes me think that the general public interest in such negative MJ stories are high enough for those tabloids to overlook MJ fans backlash.

 

[Tygger]

Ivy, interesting example. That story appeared in an AEG sponsored tabloid and had nothing to do with the doctor; instead that story had connections with another case that the general public does not care about.

Please do not spin my original statement. I am specifically speaking of the general public not being greatly concerned with Michael and in turn, not being greatly concerned with his killer’s views.

 

[LastTear]

^^^^ So. any negative story from now on is AEG sponsored, ok then.

I totally disagree that it is just the fans who are interested in Michael Jackson, you think all these nasty stories we have had to put up with since the late eighties is directed at the fans?

Tygger, I posted a link ages ago on indirect profiting, you poo-poo'd it, I don't understand why you won't post a link backing up what you appear to be so sure of. With restitution any suspicion of indirect profiting would be taken back to the courts.

We all know Murray will try to profit, indirectly he has already. What gets me the most is that it has all been made so easy for him.

 

[Bubs]

No comments about this:
Jeff Gottlieb ?@GottliebJeff 9h
Conrad Murray's attorney said she has invited AEG's lawyers to talk to her client in jail Monday about Michael Jackson. Hasn't heard back.

Ivy, what do you think is behind of that?
Is it too late for him to take the stand?
I wonder whether if he thinks AEG pay him to say on stand that MJ hired him, but then again, if he takes a stand, then plaintiffs are allowed to ask questions too.
Question: If he takes a stand and answers questions from AEG, but when plaintiffs ask questions, can he invoke the 5th for the questions from plaintiffs?

Ps, I think I asked the same question earlier, but cannot remember the reply:-(

I can only hope AEG has declined this questionable honour from CM and tells him to f..k off.

 

[Victory22]

I think Murray is trying to bait AEG. I wouldn't call him to the stand because they don't need him to prove their case and because anything coming out of his mouth will be BS.

 

[bouee]

I don't think he wants to take the stand : he says things that can be damaging to both sides. If AEG isn't going to mention the Allgood fiasco, I don't see how he helps AEG at all. It's the opposite he might prove more helpful to the Jacksons than AEG, saying that AEG was his co employer along with Michael and that Phillips pressured him.

He's just taking advantage of the situation : this trial has given him plenty of opprtunities to send "valuable" messages to his instrument or whoever is receiving them, explaining that he is the true hero of the story. That's going to happen over and over again , every time something happens that he can take advatage of. He even found a way to profit from Paris' suicide attempt.

 

[ivy]

Please do not spin my original statement. I am specifically speaking of the general public not being greatly concerned with Michael and in turn, not being greatly concerned with his killer’s views.

and I disagree with "general public not concerned with Michael" comment. They are. Michael Jackson stories create interest and they sell. That's why all of these tabloids publish never ending negative stories about Michael without caring about how his fans will react. That's shows that there's a big enough public interest to overlook a fan backlash.

 

[Petrarose]

Bubs I think AEG will be crazy to get muarry on the stand now. I don't even think they are interested in going to jail to talk to him. His chance passed a long time ago when Panish went to the courts to have him deposed and then he threatened that both sides better leave him alone because he is not good for either of them. His last voice mail confirms this. He shows a son who said his family would kill him, so that does not help Panish. He flip flops and say Michael hired him, then both hired him. AEG as someone said does not need him to help their case. By the time Muarry gets on the stand he might switch to AEG hired me only and then sue them for his wages.

Look at this confusing thing he said (from Greeneyes' translation):

#4. Any and all requests pertinent to my treatment of Michael, other than orders of myself or requests of Michael and not AEG. I took no orders for treatment from Michael nor AEG, and AEG never ordered me to give Michael any specific treatments, they justly should be absolved of this accusation.


In the 1st strange sentence it seems he says that all requests about Micahel's treatment, except for what Michael said to do or what he Muarry said to do, those requests were not by AEG.

Then in the 2nd sentence he contradicts the first and says NO he did not take orders about Michael's treatment NOT even from Michael.

So first Michael gives him orders and then second Michael did not give him orders. Only a crazy person will make Muarry their witness.

 

[Bubs]

Petrarose, he is crazy looney and doesn't know what he is saying.

"I took no orders for treatment from Michael....."

See, thats what I meant that if this had come out over 3 years ago before CM was charged with involuntary manslaughter, DA would have put murder charge. There he says that he took no orders from MJ, so is he saying propofol at home without proper stuff was his idea:bugeyed


I was thinking, if he is planning to try to make a deal with AEG that he will say whatever they want him to say, if the price is right.

 

[jamba]

What Murray says about the tremendous pressure to sign on re the pay per view reunion rings true to me, esp. when he says, "The denials of that contract was very, very severe and harmful to Michael."

 

[Tygger]

Last Tear, I clearly stated that the general public was not concerned with Michael killer's views. This implies 2009 and onward. The fabricated FBI story was posted in relation to the Robson case in an AEG sponsored tabloid. Previously, I responded that the link you posted referenced the Son of Sam law which prevents convicts from directly profiting from their crime(s).

Ivy, it is very understandable why some fans protest such articles. However, protests result in greater attention to a previously ignored article. There is no judgment implied in my post.

Jamba, I am unsure how the doctor discovered information regarding the AllGood venture. However, he seemed to omit that Michael would be the highest paid Jackson in that venture and that Michael was considering it as per Phillips' email to Branca.

If the defense is desperate, they will entertain Wass and her convict client. We shall see how desperate they are. I hope they will decline.

 

[Dutchie]

Ivy, interesting example. That story appeared in an AEG sponsored tabloid and had nothing to do with the doctor; instead that story had connections with another case that the general public does not care about.

Please do not spin my original statement. I am specifically speaking of the general public not being greatly concerned with Michael and in turn, not being greatly concerned with his killer’s views.

Well, I don't mind the last part of what you wrote.
However I do wish the public had cared more about Michael. But maybe that's a whole other issue.

 

[Mneme]

#4. Any and all requests pertinent to my treatment of Michael, other than orders of myself or requests of Michael and not AEG. I took no orders for treatment from Michael nor AEG, and AEG never ordered me to give Michael any specific treatments, they justly should be absolved of this accusation.

#7. ...
He hated Ortega, but Ortega was not astute enough to recognize how much pain he was causing Michael; who by then had lost his mental fortitute, and whose mental had become exceedingly listless.
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He hated Ortega, but Ortega was not astute enough to recognize how much pain he was causing Michael; who by then had lost his mental fortitute, and whose mental had become exceedingly listless

He talks about Michael losing his mental fortitude, which I am assuming he means that mentally Michael did not have the strength to deal with the issues/person(s) anymore. Then he says Michael mental had become listless, I guess he means that Michael's mental faculties were not as acute/quick/brilliant as it was before. However, who caused these changes in Michael's mental state--it was Muarry and his doctoring. Therefore, for him to make these statements, it shows that he knew his doctoring was affecting Micheal's ability to think, reason, react & all the other symptoms Michael had.

Look at this confusing thing he said (from Greeneyes' translation):

#4. Any and all requests pertinent to my treatment of Michael, other than orders of myself or requests of Michael and not AEG. I took no orders for treatment from Michael nor AEG, and AEG never ordered me to give Michael any specific treatments, they justly should be absolved of this accusation.


In the 1st strange sentence it seems he says that all requests about Micahel's treatment, except for what Michael said to do or what he Muarry said to do, those requests were not by AEG.

Then in the 2nd sentence he contradicts the first and says NO he did not take orders about Michael's treatment NOT even from Michael.

So first Michael gives him orders and then second Michael did not give him orders. Only a crazy person will make Muarry their witness.

I think about whether we are helping Murray if we analyze his rubbish.(???)

Maybe he contradicts himself because it seems Murray is an egomaniak and is thirsty to get attention.
But with his second assertion is he sitting in the trap: If he did not take orders from Michael about the treatment then that means: Murray himself und ALONE has decided about his Propofol-treatement.

And this in context to "...Michael; who by then had lost his mental fortitute, and whose mental had become exceedingly listless." is really breath-taking for me.

 

[elapentela]

He could have still profited indirectly as he has been doing since he is in jail, through selling whatever stories he has through someone else. When he is released however he doesn't have to go through a third party i.g his stripper baby mama - he can cash in whatever checks he gets directly Katherine made sure of that. David Walgren had more compassion for Michael than his own family. Walgren read Murray's psychopathic behavior like an open book. Not going after Murray for restitution and enabling him to profit off her son's death is something I will never forget or forgive Katherine. Not only did she strip Michael of every ounce of dignity by going through with this lawsuit but she also rejected going after Murray. I hope she doesn't get a single dime for her cubs and I also hope and pray that whatever monies she might leave behind when she dies, I hope all her creditors come back fighting for every single penny she owes. Neither she nor her cubs deserve a single dime. Not to forget all the phuuckery she and her cubs have been pulling since June 09. I bet Michael never ever imagined his mother behaving the way she does, also it was under her care or lack there of that his 15 year old daughter tried to commit suicide - the kids are probably raising themselves while grandma is busy scheming the next plan on how to throw Michael under the bus and run over his corpse with those cubs of hers. I remember back in late 09 when the stun gun incident first happened and I believe GMA was interviewing her and asking her about Joe and if he was a good father/grandfather she got totally defensive of Joe and totally dismissive of Michael saying ''of course he is, always was... with Michael it was 39 years ago I don't know what you are saying..'' again downplaying /dismissing Michael and his feelings. They always behave like Michael was some kind of a pariah, a deranged lunatic making up claims just for the heck of it forgetting that the very same pariah is still footing their existence to this day. Katherine til now is neither willing nor able to acknowledge Joseph's wrong doings despite it being 50 years ago, so not going after Murray was definitely not surprising to me, their priority has always been $$$. They all wanted to live like ''Michael Jackson'' while ignoring the simple fact that they were NOT Michael Jackson.

Thank you so much for this post. It's worthy to be quoted over and over...

 

[KOPV]

Murray, serve what little time you have for murder and shut up!! Youve done enough.....

 

[Petrarose]

Petrarose, he is crazy looney and doesn't know what he is saying.

"I took no orders for treatment from Michael....."

See, thats what I meant that if this had come out over 3 years ago before CM was charged with involuntary manslaughter, DA would have put murder charge. There he says that he took no orders from MJ, so is he saying propofol at home without proper stuff was his idea:bugeyed


I was thinking, if he is planning to try to make a deal with AEG that he will say whatever they want him to say, if the price is right.

I think that is what his lawyer hoped, but if Muarry was following the trial he would know that AEG does not give away money to crooks. NO to 2 settlements means NO to buying Muarry's testimony when we can prove our case for free. Then Flip Flop Muarry will spill the beans in one of his talkative moods if they ever dare make a underhanded deal with him.

Jamba I agree about the reunion pressure, but only because we already know this from our own knowledge of the family and other facts. Muarry could have gotten that information from watching how upset Michael was or little comments Michael made. Anyway anything he says, I want to be able to cross-check from other sources, like I do with Randy.

 

[jamba]

I think about whether we are helping Murray if we analyze his rubbish.(???)

Maybe he contradicts himself because it seems Murray is an egomaniak and is thirsty to get attention.
But with his second assertion is he sitting in the trap: If he did not take orders from Michael about the treatment then that means: Murray himself und ALONE has decided about his Propofol-treatement.

And this in context to "...Michael; who by then had lost his mental fortitute, and whose mental had become exceedingly listless." is really breath-taking for me.

I listened to the tape with Greeneyes transcript and I heard a few different words here and there. In this case, I heard "his metal had become exceedingly listless." The word I hear--metal--indicates MJ had lost his strength of character and become more submissive (in my interpretation of the phrase). CM uses a totally different vocab from what we expect--he is from a different culture and has an accent.

Just realized the word is mettle--here are the definitions:

Definition of METTLE

1
a : vigor and strength of spirit or temperament
b : staying quality : stamina <equipment that proved its mettle>
2
: quality of temperament or disposition <gentlemen of brave mettle &#8212; Shakespeare>
&#8212; met·tled adjective
&#8212; on one's mettle
: aroused to do one's best

So the quote is "Michael, who by then had lost his mental fortitute, and whose mettle had become exceedingly listless" (I am going to change my earlier post re the transcript).

 

[Victory22]

He could have still profited indirectly as he has been doing since he is in jail, through selling whatever stories he has through someone else. When he is released however he doesn't have to go through a third party i.g his stripper baby mama - he can cash in whatever checks he gets directly Katherine made sure of that. David Walgren had more compassion for Michael than his own family. Walgren read Murray's psychopathic behavior like an open book. Not going after Murray for restitution and enabling him to profit off her son's death is something I will never forget or forgive Katherine. Not only did she strip Michael of every ounce of dignity by going through with this lawsuit but she also rejected going after Murray. I hope she doesn't get a single dime for her cubs and I also hope and pray that whatever monies she might leave behind when she dies, I hope all her creditors come back fighting for every single penny she owes. Neither she nor her cubs deserve a single dime. Not to forget all the phuuckery she and her cubs have been pulling since June 09. I bet Michael never ever imagined his mother behaving the way she does, also it was under her care or lack there of that his 15 year old daughter tried to commit suicide - the kids are probably raising themselves while grandma is busy scheming the next plan on how to throw Michael under the bus and run over his corpse with those cubs of hers. I remember back in late 09 when the stun gun incident first happened and I believe GMA was interviewing her and asking her about Joe and if he was a good father/grandfather she got totally defensive of Joe and totally dismissive of Michael saying ''of course he is, always was... with Michael it was 39 years ago I don't know what you are saying..'' again downplaying /dismissing Michael and his feelings. They always behave like Michael was some kind of a pariah, a deranged lunatic making up claims just for the heck of it forgetting that the very same pariah is still footing their existence to this day. Katherine til now is neither willing nor able to acknowledge Joseph's wrong doings despite it being 50 years ago, so not going after Murray was definitely not surprising to me, their priority has always been $$$. They all wanted to live like ''Michael Jackson'' while ignoring the simple fact that they were NOT Michael Jackson.

This post completely sums up the way I feel. I have lost all respect for KJ and her cubs and I will never look at her the same again. MJ didn't stand a chance among these people and God help his children.

 

[Autumn II]

I think that neither AEG nor KJ's side would touch Murray with a ten-foot pole, and neither wants him to testify. He is too much of a loose-cannon. I mean, he SANG to Anderson Cooper. Seriously?

The FANS are not "thirsty." The general public might be, and might, indeed, buy his book. That is a terrible shame, and could have been avoided, by restitution. . . . .

 

[GreenEyes]

I listened to the tape with Greeneyes transcript and I heard a few different words here and there. In this case, I heard "his metal had become exceedingly listless." The word I hear--metal--indicates MJ had lost his strength of character and become more submissive (in my interpretation of the phrase). CM uses a totally different vocab from what we expect--he is from a different culture and has an accent.

Just realized the word is mettle--here are the definitions:

Definition of METTLE

1
a : vigor and strength of spirit or temperament
b : staying quality : stamina <equipment that proved its mettle>
2
: quality of temperament or disposition <gentlemen of brave mettle &#8212; Shakespeare>
&#8212; met·tled adjective
&#8212; on one's mettle
: aroused to do one's best

So the quote is "Michael, who by then had lost his mental fortitute, and whose mettle had become exceedingly listless" (I am going to change my earlier post re the transcript).

Thanks so much for that!!! That makes sense, because what I originally thought he was saying didn't really make sense... or he forgot a word in there. I'm going to revise the original transcript to reflect the word "mettle".

It was such a struggle just listening to that whole tape and hearing his voice. Ugh... not easy. He makes me nauseous.uke:

 

[ivy]

^^

This part

"The denials of that contract was very, very severe and harmful to Michael."

I hear demands instead of denials

 

[Ashtanga]

When you think it's over and that nothing else can happen :fear: .... suddenly arises other shit. :bugeyed It never ends! :doh: I wonder when Michael will be left in peace once and for all! *big sigh*

 

[jamba]

^^

This part

"The denials of that contract was very, very severe and harmful to Michael."

I hear demands instead of denials

You're right--I listened again and it's "demands." Thanks.

So by using the word 'demands,' CM emphasized how much pressure MJ was under to sign with AllGood. (I read somewhere that MJ considered 'pay per view' tacky--on top of not wanting to have a reunion concert in the first place).

Also about the #4. This is what I hear:

#4. Any and all requests pertinent to my treatment of Michael, other than orders of myself, were requests of Michael and not AEG. I took no orders for treatment from Michael nor AEG, and AEG never ordered me to give Michael any specific treatments. They justly should be absolved of this accusation.

I mean it's still confusing, but he seems to be making a distinction between requests and orders, claiming that no one gave him 'orders' and only MJ gave him 'requests.'

 

[jamba]

Thanks so much for that!!! That makes sense, because what I originally thought he was saying didn't really make sense... or he forgot a word in there. I'm going to revise the original transcript to reflect the word "mettle".

It was such a struggle just listening to that whole tape and hearing his voice. Ugh... not easy. He makes me nauseous.uke:

Yes, I agree he is nauseating as well as hard to understand. You did a fantastic job with the transcript!!

He seems to want to impress someone with his vocab (but not his grasp of numbers!). He's definitely searching for a publisher or agent IMO.

How did TMZ get hold of this, I wonder?

There is something I can't get when he speaks of DiLeo--you put 'stave off' which is the gist of it--but it sounds like he starts to say 'stay' and then switches to "cry off"--?? not sure.

 

[LastTear]

Last Tear, I clearly stated that the general public was not concerned with Michael killer's views. This implies 2009 and onward. The fabricated FBI story was posted in relation to the Robson case in an AEG sponsored tabloid. Previously, I responded that the link you posted referenced the Son of Sam law which prevents convicts from directly profiting from their crime(s).

Ivy, it is very understandable why some fans protest such articles. However, protests result in greater attention to a previously ignored article. There is no judgment implied in my post.

Jamba, I am unsure how the doctor discovered information regarding the AllGood venture. However, he seemed to omit that Michael would be the highest paid Jackson in that venture and that Michael was considering it as per Phillips' email to Branca.

If the defense is desperate, they will entertain Wass and her convict client. We shall see how desperate they are. I hope they will decline.

In your opinion, my opinion is different. The general public are still interested in Michael and in fact I believe that many believe that Michael was as responsible for his death as Murray is, and some believe only Michael is responsible. I believe the interest is there, how successful it is will be down to how Murray conducts himself in any possible interviews.

I'm sure AEG could afford a more popular tabloid to sponsor if they so wished. What do you base that statement on?

 

[Mechi]

Murray is a proven liar!

So how anyone could ever care what he says or writes is beyond me!

However I know a certain media (which according to Michael himself while he was alive deserves to burn) will always be interested in such a shit and they'll all pay for it and they'll all make money cuz they'll put their spin to everything and lots of us fans will support such in giving it attention and clicks and even buy stuff! That's how the media world is going around since it started.
So yeah I'm with all of those who will not forgive Katherine for not going for restitution!
I do not care sh** what this guy says or writes!

But when all's said and done... *shrugs* I'd say time to turn to something happier in my life for me!

 

[jaydom7]

This post completely sums up the way I feel. I have lost all respect for KJ and her cubs and I will never look at her the same again. MJ didn't stand a chance among these people and God help his children.

me neither.. I have no respect for her. I also believe the sad face and crocodile tears are not genuine.