Conrad Murray: "MJ hired me and HATED AEG"

[ivy]

Twinklee didn't OJ try to benefit indirectly and the Goldmans went to court and dealt with it quite effectively.

Yes, OJ started a publishing company in his children's name and it was run by his daughter. Goldmans sued him and it was determined to be a dummy / fraudulent entity and Goldmans were awarded the rights to OJ's book. The judge in that case looked to that Lorraine Brooke Associates publishing company created for indirect profit and ruled "it was clearly accomplished to perpetuate a fraud".

There's nothing in the law says indirect profit is okay. Yes people might try to indirectly profit - like in OJ's case- and you can file a lawsuit and try to stop that indirect profit - like Goldmans did.

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Personally, I hope the Jacksons don't start complaining when Murray starts talking about Michael after he gets released. Because I won't want to hear it. Not when Katherine could have stopped Murray from making money off of her son. I'm sure restitution doesn't mean that Murray wouldn't be able to get an honest job and make a living. But Katherine still could have said in effect that Murray would have to stay away from the subject of Michael and look for a plain, blue-collar job to support himself and his family. Why couldn't Katherine even do that for Michael's memory if nothing else? This makes me so angry. I have given up trying to understand her behavior. I'm sorry.

 

[AliCat]

"High School Musical" star Ashley Tisdale:
Jackson was a big influence on her music and the work of her "HSM" castmates.
"I've loved Michael Jackson, his music, his music videos," Tisdale said. "I mean, the man made music videos what they are today. So, I've always been inspired by him. I think he's such a great dancer.
Tisdale was looking forward to seeing what Ortega and Jackson would be debuting on July 13, when Jackson was scheduled to kick off his This Is It tour. She said she and her "HSM" buddies were going to make the trek overseas to see it for themselves. "We were all gonna go see him in London and go visit and watch the show," she said, adding that the show would have also included dancers from the "HSM" movies. "We had a lot of our dancers in the production as well.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1614982/ashley-tisdale-michael-jackson-inspired-her.jhtml

Michael Jackson has revealed his love for the hit movie series High School Musical to its breakout star, Zac Efron.

The actor got the chance to have a conversation with the King Of Pop when the film’s director and personal friend of Jackson, Kenny Ortega, handed the phone to Efron.

"I've been wanting to talk to Michael Jackson my whole life, but as soon as Kenny handed me the phone, I was at a loss for words. I have never been so speechless," Efron told Heat Magazine.

Jackson stated he’s a fan of the films, with Efron revealing: "He said he loves High SchoolMusical.”

“It was motivation for us, and encouragement."

http://www.gigwise.com/news/47104/michael-jackson-reveals-his-love-for-high-school-musical

Drew Seeley posted this video recently of himself and his “High School Musical” co-stars Corbin Bleu and Lucas Grabeel after they met Michael Jackson during one of the stops on their High School Musical concert tour. Here’s what Drew posted along with the video:

“In Las Vegas during one of the last stops of the High School Musical concert – Michael Jackson brought his kids to see the show, and came backstage to say hi. It was pretty surreal..”

http://www.disneydreaming.com/2011/...-musical-stars-after-meeting-michael-jackson/

I just don't think Kenny Ortega and Michael Jackson were even friendly enemies. The different actor's and actresses and dancers were like a small community of Michael Jackson influences. Kenny Ortega even hands the phone to Zac Efron and he was the male lead in the movie's of "High School Musical." Ashley Tisdale talks about how their were dancer's who were in involved in both "High School Musical" and "This Is It."

Nope...ex-Doctor Conrad Murray is in the wrong about Kenny Ortega and Michael Jackson. What I have quoted above speaks volumes, as these people are witnesses to the bond between Kenny Ortega and Michael Jackson. It's a small world after all!

 

[jamba]

Was Karen Faye lying about this??


In the replies to Karens Blog, someone asks who was responsible for the faulty bridge and if they ever acknowledged their part in the disaster. That's when Karen lets loose. Here's her response...

This is a very good question. I did want to address it, but not in my main statement, because it is true, and a very cruel part of the story. Kenny Ortega was the producer and director of this show in Germany, and was ultimately his responsible for everything that took place on stage. Kenny left town IMMEDIATELY, without even calling to see how Michael was, or to say he was sorry after Michael’s bridge failed. Michael never forgot Kenny’s cold and frightened response. One of the first things Michael told me when I began working on TII with him was “guess what? Kenny finally kinda said he was sorry for that fall in Germany”.

This only validates how self centered and thoughtless Kenny Ortega is. It took Kenny 11 years to say he was sorry. Michael ALWAYS remembered that. During that 11 years, Michael often mentioned to me, that “Kenny hasn’t apologized yet”. It was only when Michael gave him his next job with him, on TII, did Kenny think about saying he was sorry.

 

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[HIStory]

Was Karen Faye lying about this??


In the replies to Karens Blog, someone asks who was responsible for the faulty bridge and if they ever acknowledged their part in the disaster. That's when Karen lets loose. Here's her response...

This is a very good question. I did want to address it, but not in my main statement, because it is true, and a very cruel part of the story. Kenny Ortega was the producer and director of this show in Germany, and was ultimately his responsible for everything that took place on stage. Kenny left town IMMEDIATELY, without even calling to see how Michael was, or to say he was sorry after Michael’s bridge failed. Michael never forgot Kenny’s cold and frightened response. One of the first things Michael told me when I began working on TII with him was “guess what? Kenny finally kinda said he was sorry for that fall in Germany”.

This only validates how self centered and thoughtless Kenny Ortega is. It took Kenny 11 years to say he was sorry. Michael ALWAYS remembered that. During that 11 years, Michael often mentioned to me, that “Kenny hasn’t apologized yet”. It was only when Michael gave him his next job with him, on TII, did Kenny think about saying he was sorry.

I don't believe anything Karen says. She's an unashamed liar trashing everyone around Michael while portraying herself as some kind of hero and protector of Michael. She hates Kenny and always trashes him on her Twitter.

 

[Petrarose]

Personally, I hope the Jacksons don't start complaining when Murray starts talking about Michael after he gets released.

I don't think they will complain. They don't really care what people say about Michael since they say the same thing themselves. Katherine wouldn't listen to the bad news. They began a trial with personal information about Michael that they knew the media would use to stigmatize Michael further, so they don't care. Even Phillips & Ortega cried in their testimony, while Randy boasted and Rebbie laughed. Jermaine was the only one who came out at times to defend Michael, but Jermaine has his agenda. When he was writing his book he was defending Michael a lot.

They are not going to use up much energy to defend Michael, since their main interest in him is Money not Love. To digress when Paris just began using twitter, several fans told the uncles she was being attacked with nasty comments about her father. Uncles did not tweet back, and Paris continued to be on twitter receiving hate tweets.

If they intending responding to Muarry, they would made some comment the first time he said Michael talked bad about his family, because this last voice mail is not the first time Muarry said Michael talked about his family. The only how you will get a response from them is if one day a reporter bumps into one of them and asks them about what Muarry said. Even when they say they will sue about something they never follow through.

I notice that except for the time in his documentary when he made a nasty comment about the condition of Michael's feet, he has not been giving out nasty stories about Michael. His voice mail infers he has more to come, but I find it odd that he would not give some information (lies) about the main person a publisher would be interested to write about. Publishers are not interested in AEG & Ortega, but in what Michael did. So why he didn't write a tiny sordid tit bit about Michael, like a hook/tease, to make the publishers run over to the jail to sign him up to their company? He is mainly attacking the family (maybe he does not like them), Ortega & AEG. In fact, I see more explosive information coming from the trial.

Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part, but maybe he may not say/write damaging accounts about Michael. Could it be he has 1% integrity after all? Or maybe because it is Sunday & I am about to go to church, I am in a positive mood.

 

[twinklEE]

Yes, OJ started a publishing company in his children's name and it was run by his daughter. Goldmans sued him and it was determined to be a dummy / fraudulent entity and Goldmans were awarded the rights to OJ's book. The judge in that case looked to that Lorraine Brooke Associates publishing company created for indirect profit and ruled "it was clearly accomplished to perpetuate a fraud".

There's nothing in the law says indirect profit is okay. Yes people might try to indirectly profit - like in OJ's case- and you can file a lawsuit and try to stop that indirect profit - like Goldmans did.

We cant expect such kind of behavior from the Jackson's though as they are the ones throwing him under the bus and running over his body.

 

[ivy]

^^

We can't expect such from Jacksons because there's no restitution.

Goldmans had $33 Million judgment. When OJ tried to release his book through a dummy corporation to indirectly profit from it, Goldmans said "wait a minute. we don't care whose name is on the company records, OJ is gonna profit". It was the judgment that gave them the opportunity to go after OJ.

In our case there's no restitution. Murray doesn't even need to try to indirectly profit or fear Jacksons will go after him with a lawsuit fighting him . He can directly profit as much as he wants.

 

[Mneme]

I notice that except for the time in his documentary when he made a nasty comment about the condition of Michael's feet, he has not been giving out nasty stories about Michael. His voice mail infers he has more to come, but I find it odd that he would not give some information (lies) about the main person a publisher would be interested to write about. Publishers are not interested in AEG & Ortega, but in what Michael did. So why he didn't write a tiny sordid tit bit about Michael, like a hook/tease, to make the publishers run over to the jail to sign him up to their company? He is mainly attacking the family (maybe he does not like them), Ortega & AEG. In fact, I see more explosive information coming from the trial.

Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part, but maybe he may not say/write damaging accounts about Michael. Could it be he has 1% integrity after all? Or maybe because it is Sunday & I am about to go to church, I am in a positive mood.

Maybe the publishers make market research.
Because -imo- the main buyers will be MJ-Fans. They know there are fans who keep distance (or more) to Michael's birth-family. And they know there are fans who are sceptical (or more) to AEG. Mit bushing both (Katherine-family and AEG) the book will be like a clourfull plate and every buyer will find what he want to read.
And both parts of fans are not amused about bad things about Michael.

Now, in my opinion on this point Tygger is right: Murray can only take so much money as the fans are giving him.

And to this: "Could it be he has 1% integrity after all?" is my opinion:
No, because Murray don't know the word 'integrity' and therefore either not its meaning.

 

[bouee]

I notice that except for the time in his documentary when he made a nasty comment about the condition of Michael's feet, he has not been giving out nasty stories about Michael. His voice mail infers he has more to come, but I find it odd that he would not give some information (lies) about the main person a publisher would be interested to write about. Publishers are not interested in AEG & Ortega, but in what Michael did. So why he didn't write a tiny sordid tit bit about Michael, like a hook/tease, to make the publishers run over to the jail to sign him up to their company? He is mainly attacking the family (maybe he does not like them), Ortega & AEG. In fact, I see more explosive information coming from the trial.

Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part, but maybe he may not say/write damaging accounts about Michael. Could it be he has 1% integrity after all? Or maybe because it is Sunday & I am about to go to church, I am in a positive mood.

Phillips cried ? I don't remember that.

yes it's wishful thinking (about Murray) he will trash Michael, as he already did to defend himself, in the police interview, and in the documentary. There was more stuff than the foot story, but I don't want to re write them here. There's only one hero in his story : himself.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

UHhh, all this crap annoys me so much.....so many stupid decisions....

 

[crillon]

^^

We can't expect such from Jacksons because there's no restitution.

Goldmans had $33 Million judgment. When OJ tried to release his book through a dummy corporation to indirectly profit from it, Goldmans said "wait a minute. we don't care whose name is on the company records, OJ is gonna profit". It was the judgment that gave them the opportunity to go after OJ.

In our case there's no restitution. Murray doesn't even need to try to indirectly profit or fear Jacksons will go after him with a lawsuit fighting him . He can directly profit as much as he wants.

Ivy, is there a Statute of Limitations on restitution? Can the Jacksons request it after the fact?

 

[jaydom7]

Ivy, is there a Statute of Limitations on restitution? Can the Jacksons request it after the fact?

No they cannot.. Katherine was told point blank by Walgren and Pastor that if she refuses the restiution at the time it was offered it's over.. she can't come back later and request it. That is why all the MJ fans were pissed at her for doing that. At the time Randy Jackson went to twitter and said that it was not his decision and that he doesn't agree with his mother not seeking restitution. And then Katherine says on the stand weeks ago that the reason why she didn't accept restitution is because she 'heard' Murray had 8 kids and she thought his money should go to his kids:bugeyed I wanted to throw my pc out the window when I read her testimony.. Just a really dumb move from her.

 

[Victory22]

No they cannot.. Katherine was told point blank by Walgren and Pastor that if she refuses the restiution at the time it was offered it's over.. she can't come back later and request it. That is why all the MJ fans were pissed at her for doing that. At the time Randy Jackson went to twitter and said that it was not his decision and that he doesn't agree with his mother not seeking restitution. And then Katherine says on the stand weeks ago that the reason why she didn't accept restitution is because she 'heard' Murray had 8 kids and she thought his money should go to his kids:bugeyed I wanted to throw my pc out the window when I read her testimony.. Just a really dumb move from her.

Not dumb it was totally cold blooded on her part and shows she doesn't care at all that her dead son's killer will not be punished for his crime.

 

[LastTear]

Maybe the publishers make market research.
Because -imo- the main buyers will be MJ-Fans. They know there are fans who keep distance (or more) to Michael's birth-family. And they know there are fans who are sceptical (or more) to AEG. Mit bushing both (Katherine-family and AEG) the book will be like a clourfull plate and every buyer will find what he want to read.
And both parts of fans are not amused about bad things about Michael.

Now, in my opinion on this point Tygger is right: Murray can only take so much money as the fans are giving him.

And to this: "Could it be he has 1% integrity after all?" is my opinion:
No, because Murray don't know the word 'integrity' and therefore either not its meaning.

I disagree, perhaps the general public wont be overly interested in a book, but newspapers pay good money to use the stories or perhaps even serialise it, and there will be perhaps interviews to flog said book.

Besides which, even if Murray releases a book and it flops - his lies are still out there plus even one cent earned is one cent too much in my humble opinion.

Restitution may just have put him off even writing a book.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

He could have still profited indirectly as he has been doing since he is in jail, through selling whatever stories he has through someone else. When he is released however he doesn't have to go through a third party i.g his stripper baby mama - he can cash in whatever checks he gets directly Katherine made sure of that. David Walgren had more compassion for Michael than his own family. Walgren read Murray's psychopathic behavior like an open book. Not going after Murray for restitution and enabling him to profit off her son's death is something I will never forget or forgive Katherine. Not only did she strip Michael of every ounce of dignity by going through with this lawsuit but she also rejected going after Murray. I hope she doesn't get a single dime for her cubs and I also hope and pray that whatever monies she might leave behind when she dies, I hope all her creditors come back fighting for every single penny she owes. Neither she nor her cubs deserve a single dime. Not to forget all the phuuckery she and her cubs have been pulling since June 09. I bet Michael never ever imagined his mother behaving the way she does, also it was under her care or lack there of that his 15 year old daughter tried to commit suicide - the kids are probably raising themselves while grandma is busy scheming the next plan on how to throw Michael under the bus and run over his corpse with those cubs of hers. I remember back in late 09 when the stun gun incident first happened and I believe GMA was interviewing her and asking her about Joe and if he was a good father/grandfather she got totally defensive of Joe and totally dismissive of Michael saying ''of course he is, always was... with Michael it was 39 years ago I don't know what you are saying..'' again downplaying /dismissing Michael and his feelings. They always behave like Michael was some kind of a pariah, a deranged lunatic making up claims just for the heck of it forgetting that the very same pariah is still footing their existence to this day. Katherine til now is neither willing nor able to acknowledge Joseph's wrong doings despite it being 50 years ago, so not going after Murray was definitely not surprising to me, their priority has always been $$$. They all wanted to live like ''Michael Jackson'' while ignoring the simple fact that they were NOT Michael Jackson.

You had a point on profit indirectly, I hadn't thought about it but not going after Conrat KJ gave him a total access to make cash directly over Michael and now he'll say whatever bullshit comes into his twisted mind and no one will stop him because there's no law that protects deceased people from defamation of the character. I will always be angry at KJ for that dumbcold blooded decision she made by not going after her son's murderer just because people "told" her it'd jeopardize the AEG lawsuit. I didn't want her to receive any dime crow this disgusting lawsuit either but the only reason I changed my mind was because if all those vultures get such huge sums of money they'll leave PPB alone.

 

[Mneme]

I disagree, perhaps the general public wont be overly interested in a book, but newspapers pay good money to use the stories or perhaps even serialise it, and there will be perhaps interviews to flog said book.

Besides which, even if Murray releases a book and it flops - his lies are still out there plus even one cent earned is one cent too much in my humble opinion.

Restitution may just have put him off even writing a book.

Yes, of course, LastTear! I was not thinking on other possibillities as a serial in newspapers and his interviews and...and...!

And I am 100% with you: Restitution may just have put him off even writing a book.
But Michael's mother don't want that. At least she will have a clean conscience because Murray can feed his children and she will feel for herself as an angel.

 

[Petrarose]

If only the true reason was about feeding his children, then we could say her conscience will be at ease .^^ Her lawyer said Muarry has no money when he was asked about that issue, & that is the reason why the restitution was dropped. Muarry has about 2 more months in jail, if he gets out in October, so we will see what happens after that.

I wonder if he has a laptop in jail. He seems to read from some document when he speaks. Maybe he went to the library and started his manuscript. Didn't he make about 300,000 on the documentary?

 

[LastTear]

^^^^ I don't buy KJ's reason. Also, we covered this before. Even with restitution Murray would be allowed enough money for his responsibilities and to live. Besides which, he didn't pay for his kids even when he was working!

It pains me to say but I truly believe the only reason KJ turned it down was because it would effect how much they could get from AEG. Don't forget Panish was advising KJ at Murry's trial - he even read out that pitiful impact statement.

 

[Petrarose]

Yeah ^^ we all know that. Muarry had no money. AEG has money. If they get restitution from Muarry who could never pay, the amount they would get from AEG who can pay will be reduced. So they had to say no to Muarry's restitution so that they can get as much as possible from AEG. Katherine gave a sweetie reason in court, but prior to that Panish had said Muarry had no money. We know the lawyers advised Katherine to not seek restitution. Now Muarry can live happily and freely after he leaves the jail house doing talk shows, calling up tv hosts to sing songs, making statements about Michael without pronouncing his "th" in words, and gaining money.

 

[twinklEE]

Yeah ^^ we all know that. Muarry had no money. AEG has money. If they get restitution from Muarry who could never pay, the amount they would get from AEG who can pay will be reduced. So they had to say no to Muarry's restitution so that they can get as much as possible from AEG. Katherine gave a sweetie reason in court, but prior to that Panish had said Muarry had no money. We know the lawyers advised Katherine to not seek restitution. Now Murray can live happily and freely after he leaves the jail house doing talk shows, calling up tv hosts to sing songs, making statements about Michael without pronouncing his "th" in words, and gaining money.

that's exactly the reason why Katherine Jackson and her broke ass kids deserve nothing from AEG. I truly hope that everyone she owes money come back and she has nothing, not even a single dime to will anyone.

 

[Victory22]

That is the troot.

 

[jaydom7]

Katherine sat up in court and listened to what Murray did to her son. Drugged him, abandoned him and left him to die. On May 10th 2009, Murray had the audacity to record a drugged up MJ on his i-phone to sell at some point, even the judge thought that, and yet Katherine refused restitution against this monster.. I will never forgive her for that. I really hope she loses the AEG trial just for that reason.. It is pure greed and the man that killed her son she will let off scott free

 

[crillon]

I disagree, perhaps the general public wont be overly interested in a book, but newspapers pay good money to use the stories or perhaps even serialise it, and there will be perhaps interviews to flog said book.

Besides which, even if Murray releases a book and it flops - his lies are still out there plus even one cent earned is one cent too much in my humble opinion.

Restitution may just have put him off even writing a book.

I totally agree with you. He'll find a publisher (if he hasn't already) and we'll see him on a book tour, talk shows, giving paid interviews, etc. because there will be interest beyond MJ fans & the people signing him to those deals know it. He likely has agents contacting him already. There is a market for all things MJ--as always--and voyeurs will line up to soak up whatever the felon is spewing about Michael.

Restitution would have been a huge, insurmountable hurdle for the remorse-less Murray and one more punishment to remind him of what he did for the rest of his life. Maybe then would he realize that it was HIS recklessness and negligence that killed Michael Jackson. To get a reprieve from the mother of the man he killed has to make him feel good and reinforce his own opinion that he was not to blame. And, the idea of Murray feeling good and "redeemed" in any way is nauseating to me. That Katherine is responsible for providing him that redemption and giving him a break is beyond my comprehension. But, karma is a bitch and I think the Jacksons will soon discover what they've done in letting the felon off the hook.

 

[ivy]

For the time being Murray has his appeal and he's trying to get back his medical license, that's why he's maintaining "I did nothing wrong, I'm innocent" act. Once the appeal is over and he loses his medical license for good, a book (or similar) would become his only source of income and he will have nothing to lose. I think general public might be interested in "how I killed MJ" type of book - in which Murray makes a confession. Even if there's no book, tabloids would be interested in Murray stories. We have all seen how UK tabloids especially love negative MJ stories and they aren't fazed when the fans protest.

 

[mdiegee210]

By CM releasing a tape recording saying who hired him, can he be found in contempt of court for trying to influence the jurors? Knowing that the jurors will hear the tape.

 

[ivy]

^^

jurors aren't supposed to read or listen to the media

 

[Petrarose]

That is the troot.

Haa^^ Oh my goodness. I got it!!! Thank you for that one!!

Muarry is going to lose the appeal anyway, and I hope he knows that. Since he has a free lawyer who had problems writing her own brief, I guess he can waste her time. I don't think Muarry will tell the Troot about what happened that night in his book. He will just stick to the same story about not giving Michael anything that would harm him. He will never admit he is a criminal.

 

[8701girl]

jurors aren't supposed to read or listen to the media]

]I dont think the judge has told the jury if they can listen or watch media or not