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Conrad Murray CNN interviews / Apr 2nd Anderson Cooper / April 5th Documentary

At the end of the day Demerol was not found in his autopsy! But, Propofol was! Let's remember that! Thank You! And Screw u Murray!
 
Murray Voicemail : Yeah well everyone is asking me about, you know, what I’m going to do with this wrongful death lawsuit and um, I guess they all have their ideas about this, but I can tell you this: I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in the legal battle that exists with this wrongful death lawsuit of Michael Jackson. I just want to be left in peace. It is my perogative to invoke my 5th amendment right at any time that I choose. I too have my own legal battles to contend with. I strongly believe however, that it is to the benefit of both parties that I do not testify in their legal proceeding. If I am compelled to speak, I can do but it will cause one party or the other to experience the impact of an immediate seismic shock . It will be so stunning, it will be equivalent to an implosion of Leviathan disproportion and resulting in irrecoverable consequences or a total and complete debacle for one side or the other. It is best to leave me alone. I pray that will take heed and not include me in this matter. That’s basically how I feel and what do you think?

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CONRAD MURRAY
Leave Me Out of MJ Wrongful Death Suit ...
OR FACE DESTRUCTION
EXCLUSIVE

Dr. Conrad Murray believes his testimony in Michael Jackson's wrongful death lawsuit would lead to catastrophic consequences for one side -- and he's not saying which -- so it's best to leave him the hell alone.

Murray made the veiled threat last night in a bizarre, rambling voicemail he left on a friend's machine -- obtained by TMZ -- and you have to hear it to believe it.

The doc who's serving time for manslaughter says, "If I am compelled to speak [in court] I can cause one party or the other to experience the impact of an immediate seismic shock" resulting in "a total and complete debacle" for both sides.

Murray -- who was subpoenaed to testify in Katherine Jackson's $40 billion lawsuit against AEG -- has pled the 5th because he doesn't want to incriminate himself in any upcoming legal proceedings stemming from his appeal to overturn his manslaughter conviction.

Which begs the question ... what's he NOT saying? You gotta listen to this thing.
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^^^^In other words he REALLY doesn't want to take the stand and answer questions about the choices he made, make it sound like its a bad idea for either side to call on him.
 
I never heard Jeffrey Toobin say anything bad about Michael. Isn't it possible for him to change his mind about Michael? The murray trial did help some people see Michael differently. Especially that recording and him talking about kids that showed his true heart. He said Michael was a genius and had an enormous gift. I stlli like to hope that people could see they were wrong about Michael. Maybe he still hates Michael but maybe he thinks differently. I still like to hope that people could change with time.

Michael had his issues but the way people throw this crazy addict definition isn't fair at all. Murray was making Michael sick and it gave people the wrong impression and people used Michael's past or rumors of addiction and assumed the worst. His autopsy gets ignored by everybody. People still think he never had vitiligo but it was proven in the autopsy. I am not in denial about anything but I like to see the facts too. We know what Michael said but a lot of things have been rumors, or others that hardly spent time with Michael at all saying these things like it's a fact. His own mother never saw him drugged out or something wrong with him. Unless I missed something. When people get questioned about Michael and drugs, I think I actually hear more people say they never saw anything or noticed anything more than people say they did.
 
Smooth72;3800471 said:
bouee;3800463 said:
Kliens invoices or lack of invoices. People on this forum reported him going to Klien several times a week before his death. My question is how many times did Klien goto MJs house to "treat" him? We don't know. Bottom line there were to many doctors treating him and nine of them were aware of what each different dr was treating him with. **** all these Dr's including DR Thome something just does not jive.

I have a autoimmune disease and go to 2 drs. If I didn't communicate with them they would have know idea what I was being treated with from each. One work at one of the most respected universities in the world. My wife and I really can't believe the communication gap it's crazy. So I would guess with someone of MJs stature they would be awe struck and not even really pay attention. And I do take opioid pain killers daily and do know what the can do to you mentally and physically. Luckily I don't have a addictive personality and can control to an extent the dependency.
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In today’s world of electronics the nations pharmacies in the US are all linked. Even if the patent doesn’t share information with a doctor all the physician has to do is look up the patients name and birth date and they can pull up all medications the patient is prescribed. This BS about Michael’s doctors being awestruck is a bunch of lame @zz malarkey!

The pharmacy/physician internet tool for looking up what drugs the patient is on is call Allscript.
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jamba said:
Thanks for this clarification. when did they 'ask for information'--medical information. Is there an email where they specifically want medical info? I guess they would want to know if he passed the physical required for the insurance--but when did they ask CM for specific medical info on MJ? Asking him to get MJ to rehearsals--or take care of his medical needs enough so that he can perform as required--is that a HIPAA violation? Doesn't seem to require medical info to me.
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I really haven't kept track of all this (i.e. documents), since Murray's trial, so I'm really not sure how specific the information might have been that was asked for, or maybe just general, as in, "is he in shape for the tour?" Some of that might have been generated during the Ortega "showdown" at Michael's house, but I'm not going to dig for it -- it will be whatever it will be.

As for the muddied water of "who hired Murray," K.J.'s attorneys are probably going on material such as emails between Murray and AEG execs about the conditions of his hiring, payment, and so on. There are several email exchanges about that at the end of this PDF (below), which also includes Michael's contract with AEG. T-Mez seemed optimistic that K.J. would win -- but, of course, he is biased in favor of the family.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/59105659/...First-Amended-Complaint-FULL-AEG-CONTRACT-P43

Michael's contract with AEG begins on about page 43. That PDF seems to be material collected for Joe Jackson's -- now discontinued -- lawsuit against AEG. Michael was not a part of contractual negotiations with Murray, apparently (emails are not CCd to him.), although they are CCd to Gongaware. (Murray, or "a doctor" are not mentioned in Michael's AEG contract.) The emails from AEG to Murray say that "the Tour" will pay Murray's "necessary costs including transportation between Artist and house and house and venue." Emails also say that in the event of a cancellation, AEG would pay Murray no more than one month of salary, as in: "AEG contract would not cover more than one month in lieu of a cessation of the tour."

Then, it seems that AEG is backing away from Murray. In late May, Murray's emails to AEG sound upset that he hasn't been paid, and the response was that he wouldn't get paid until the contract was signed (that contract that was NEVER signed. . )

So, those emails between AEG and Murray are the only ones I could find without a lot of digging. And, as I've said, it would be MORE than welcome if all this would simply. .. go away. . . for the sake of the children.
 
He should be forced to take the stand and he needs to be cross exmained
 
Big Apple2 said:
Yeah, I agree on this one. I don't think the emails hold that much weight, only because Murray was NEVER paid.

Personally, I equate words like "employer," "work," and "hired" as meaning PAID.

In my opinion, since Murray was never paid, that particular email amounts to Blowing Smoke.

I guess they continue to push the Smoking Gun angle, because that's all they have. Now had Murray been paid, I would be saying something different.
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^^This made me think about something. When the judge dismissed the Allgood case, wasn't one of the reasons the fact that no money was paid? Does anyone remember? If that is the case, then what you say about the payment might be an important part of the case.

Smooth no one is in denial here. If you look at the autopsy report you would know that Michael's organs show he was not a long term drug user. If you look at the trial you would find out what caused the hot & cold. You will also find out how long Demerol acts on the body after its use & see the intervals between the demerol shots. You are using Muarry's defense here, which was their method to cause doubt in the jury's mind. Because Walgren had his case very structured by focusing on the points of Shaffer, which dealt with negligence, he did not put on experts to kill that demerol addict defense. Now in hindsight I wish he did, then we would not have to hear all these statements about how Michael was ruled by drugs in his decisions.

No offense to anyone but I see that some names from this part of the forum I have to add to my skip over list, because I notice anytime we have a trial or family "hot" topic, there is a surge of posting showing Michael as either wrong, a criminal, or social deviant. I do not pay dues to a Michael forum, to hear the person whose name is at the top of the forum ridiculed by its members. There are other places for me to get that information for free!!!
 
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Another thing Thome is not a medical doctor. I just saw someone wrote that as though Michael was seeing him as one of the several doctors he used. When people post things like that it shows me we are not reading the facts properly. Michael was not seeing a lot of doctors. This idea that Michael had several doctors came from the Muarry defense & Oxman who said he had doctors all over the country getting drugs from them--a statement he made on a tv documentary and now I see fans using it. Right now I have 4 doctors who deal with their own expertise & I do not tell all what I am doing unless it involves some drugs, so Michael could have 4 doctors if he wants to.
 
Victory22;3800691 said:
No contract, no pay, no case and no money for the Jackson's! Hoping.
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Not true in the American legal system a contract is valid even if it is only implied. AEG did much more than imply.
The implied contract, along with the express contract, form the two types of generally recognized contracts. An express contract occurs when the agreement is arrived at by oral or written words. An implied contract is not as simple and is divided into two groups: implied in fact and implied in law. An implied in fact contract is shown by the surrounding circumstances that demonstrate that a contract exists as a matter of tacit understanding. The enforceability of an implied in fact contract is based on an implied agreement and not on whether a party has received something of value. In implied in law contracts, liability attaches by operation of law upon a person who receives benefits that he or she is not entitled to retain. This article shall only discuss implied in fact contracts.
An implied in fact contract may not exist when an express contract exists on the same matter. An implied in fact contract is derived from the circumstances. An implied in fact contract is not put into words so one must examine and interpret the parties’ conduct to give definition to their unspoken agreement.
A court should give the alleged implied in fact contract the effect which the parties, as fair and reasonable persons, presumably would have agreed upon if they would have entered into an express contract. Common examples of this type of implied contract are where a person performs services at another’s request but without discussing compensation or where services are rendered by one person for another without an expressed request, but with knowledge and under circumstances fairly raising the presumption that the parties understood and intended that compensation was to be paid. In these circumstances, the law implies the promise to pay a reasonable amount for the services.
However, one proceeding under an implied in fact contract theory faces a heavier burden than one proceeding under an express contract theory since there is no express evidence of a contract. The implied contract will have to be inferred from the facts of the case. This is the price that one will pay for failing to use reasonable care and foresight and preparing an express contract.
In conclusion, even if an express contract was never entered into, an implied in fact contract may still exist. This is a valid contract and will give rise to an action for breach of contract. However, since this is more difficult to prove than an express contract, a party proceeding under this implied contract theory must prove a tacit understanding between the parties which creates an enforceable contract. Once this is established, relief will be available under a breach of contract theory.
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http://attorneyal.hubpages.com/hub/Implied-Contract
 
Petrarose said:
^^This made me think about something. When the judge dismissed the Allgood case, wasn't one of the reasons the fact that no money was paid? Does anyone remember? If that is the case, then what you say about the payment might be an important part of the case.
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Allgood had promised to pay Dileo $150,000 to go talk to Michael. They didn't pay him. Dileo did not talk to Michael. When they sued Dileo for breach of contract the judge agreed that Allgood was the first one that beached the contract by not paying Dileo and Dileo wasn't required to fulfill his part.
 
^^Thanks Ivy for clearing up that point about the payment.

A thought just came to my mind about Muarry. He claims ^^that he wants to stay away from this case & that what he has to say would hurt one side. Now I don't think he has information to hurt AEG. If he did, during his trial when his defense had the AEG staff on the stand, his attorney would drill them asking questions like "didn't you tell Muarry to do XYZ, didn't you order Muarry to do XYZ." The only thing I remember was Chernoff asking Randy about what he said about Michael. This tells me that Muarry mainly told his team what AEG said about Michael but not what AEG required him to do to Michael. So, I don't think Muarry has any information to crucify AEG other than what he can make up or what he can claim Randy said about Michael behind Michael's back. This leads me to think his information will harm the family case, since he cannot show that AEG required him to do anything specific that would harm Michael. If he had such information, he would use it to place AEG under the bus during his trial, to help save his skin. He would not only focus on the self injection theory to save his skin.
 
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Murray Voicemail : Yeah well everyone is asking me about, you know, what I’m going to do with this wrongful death lawsuit and um, I guess they all have their ideas about this, but I can tell you this: I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in the legal battle that exists with this wrongful death lawsuit of Michael Jackson. I just want to be left in peace. It is my perogative to invoke my 5th amendment right at any time that I choose. I too have my own legal battles to contend with. I strongly believe however, that it is to the benefit of both parties that I do not testify in their legal proceeding. If I am compelled to speak, I can do but it will cause one party or the other to experience the impact of an immediate seismic shock . It will be so stunning, it will be equivalent to an implosion of Leviathan disproportion and resulting in irrecoverable consequences or a total and complete debacle for one side or the other. It is best to leave me alone. I pray that will take heed and not include me in this matter. That’s basically how I feel and what do you think?
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The Instrument was in need for rent money again. They have taken up TMZ as their pet tabloid for these recordings, as TMZ pays for those. The previous recording from CM to Instrument was sold to TMZ too.

That recoding just shows how arrogant, self-absorbed, narcissistic sociopath he really is.
According to his interview with A Cooper, he said that if he is called to testify, he is going to testify honestly, and then he started talking about Michael family and him not wanting to be their bank any longer.

If he is called to testify, I think he is going to ruin Katherine's case. He already has said that MJ was his employee, so the "destruction" that he promises would be directed at Katherine's side.

Katherine should be careful, if they call him as he can talk all sort of thing about family, but they cannot deny them as MJ is not here to speak otherwise.

Btw, I finished watching this interview with Wass and T Mezz, listen what Wass says about CM - AEG contract. It is clear whose case is going to fall if CM testifies
[video=youtube_share;BDsGPEvFFCY]http://youtu.be/BDsGPEvFFCY[/video]
 
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Why was cm the only signature on the contract, did cm draw up the contract himself?
 
mdiegee210 said:
Why was cm the only signature on the contract, did cm draw up the contract himself?
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Nope, he didn't draw it up himself (probably not?). According to emails (contract document, link above), AEG execs said, on May 21, 2009, they were sending Murray the contract. . . that same contract found on the seat of Murray's car. There were three signature lines -- for Murray, AEG, and Michael. On May 28, there is a prompting email from Murray demanding payment from AEG. The response was, essentially, no payment until contract was signed. The contract was still lacking Michael's signature, and that of an AEG rep. I think at that point, AEG, AND maybe Michael, were having cold feet in terms of Murray, and stalling about signing? Or, Michael refused to sign? So maybe Murray's incompetence, or even lunacy? was evident by then?
 
Autumn II said:
I think at that point, AEG, AND maybe Michael, were having cold feet in terms of Murray, and stalling about signing? Or, Michael refused to sign? So maybe Murray's incompetence, or even lunacy? was evident by then?
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Good point Autumn II.

That might, MIGHT, not sure, but might explain the reason Michael called Nurse Lee, when he was feeling hot & cold.

That portion of the puzzle has never been provided. I mean, how did Nurse Lee get the "I'm not feeling well" call, where the heck was Murray.

Also according to Nurse Lee, Michael asked her about Propofol. Why would he be talking to her about that, if Murray was ALREADY providing that service?
 
Big Apple2 said:
Good point Autumn II.

That might, MIGHT, not sure, but might explain the reason Michael called Nurse Lee, when he was feeling hot & cold.

That portion of the puzzle has never been provided. I mean, how did Nurse Lee get the "I'm not feeling well" call, where the heck was Murray.

Also according to Nurse Lee, Michael asked her about Propofol. Why would he be talking to her about that, if Murray was ALREADY providing that service?
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VERY good point, that Michael was asking Nurse Lee about propofol, which he wouldn't need to do if Murray was going to continue to provide it. There are many questions that will probably never be answered, and I've long ago given up expecting that they will be. A biggy remains, though, which is -- I do think it's possible that what Murray did to Michael (or failed to do) may have been deliberate and INTENTIONAL. We know from Murray's history that he has anger-management problems. So one theory has been that Michael refused to sign the contract, and Murray killed him! Intentionally.

From that email string, it looks like AEG was "stalling" about paying Murray, so maybe they had their doubts, and were going to replace him. Michael's conversation with Nurse Lee may indicate that Michael was having doubts about Murray, as well. Instead of nit-picking Michael's finances, it's Murray's that should apply here? He had been paid NOTHING, and it's entirely possible that he saw the gravy-train disappearing up the tracks? And snapped? But, we'll probably never know that answer to that one (unless Murray slips further off the rails and gives us the answer, in some sort of weird SONG?)
 
Originally Posted by mdiegee210
Why was cm the only signature on the contract, did cm draw up the contract himself?
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Autumn II said:
Nope, he didn't draw it up himself (probably not?). According to emails (contract document, link above), AEG execs said, on May 21, 2009, they were sending Murray the contract. . . that same contract found on the seat of Murray's car. There were three signature lines -- for Murray, AEG, and Michael. On May 28, there is a prompting email from Murray demanding payment from AEG. The response was, essentially, no payment until contract was signed. The contract was still lacking Michael's signature, and that of an AEG rep. I think at that point, AEG, AND maybe Michael, were having cold feet in terms of Murray, and stalling about signing? Or, Michael refused to sign? So maybe Murray's incompetence, or even lunacy? was evident by then?
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Actually it's quite simple.

After AEG people talked with Murray, the tour director - I believe - Woolley asked Katie Jorrie to prepare Murray's contract. She was working on it. She sent Murray some drafts, made changes as he requested (changing producer to artists, nurse to a medical specialist, changed the duration and so on). She sent Murray the finalized contract on June 24. Murray signed and faxed it back to her.

I'm personally thinking there just wasn't enough time for anyone else to sign it. Jorrie and Murray was still making changes on June 23rd. She had finalized the contract on June 24th and send it to Murray. I would imagine that Jorrie would get the faxed contract on June 25th morning or late June 24th. And probably then try to get it signed by AEG and Michael. Unfortunately Michael was dead by that time.


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For reference

Kathy Jorrie Testimony

Examination of Kathy Jorrie (KJ) is a lawyer with Luce, Forward, Hamilton, Scripps and is in charge of their LA office.

She was contracted by AEG to draft a contract for services involving CM and MJ. She began drafting contract in May-June timeframe after being contacted by Tim Wooley (TM) of AEG. TM sent her basic information. KJ sent first draft of the contract to TM on June 15th. TM forwarded the contract to CM and KJ received phone call from CM about the contract draft.

The start date of Murray's contract was when all three parties signed the contract. The contract was not valid until this was done.

Initally CM contract had a end date of September 2009. CM called KJ asking to change the end date to March 2010. Kathy queried CM as to whether he asked MJ about getting paid during the hiatus of Oct-Dec and all of the way til Mar 2010. CM said he did and MJ was willing to pay for his services during hiatus and till March 2010.

Final contract was signed by CM and sent back to KJ on June 24th, 2009.

KJ spoke to CM twice about changes to contract. CM requested certain changes, one was for the start of his payment to be retroactive to May, 2009.

KJ said CM did not want his name on the contract but instead wanted the name of his company, GSA Holdings. KJ said she could add the company to the contract but needed to have his name on it as well.

Another change was for a medical professional to be available in London. KJ asked CM why this was needed. CM said it was for if Murray was unavailable or needed to rest, that someone would be there.
There was a right to terminate the contract immediately if MJ no longer wanted CM. Also, if the tour was cancelled. Murray wanted a provision that said if a termination for any of those reasons occurred past the payment date of the 15th of the month, CM would not have to return the payment for that month.

KJ had a conversation on Jun 18th with CM about medical equipment needed to be included as a provision in the contract. KJ wanted to know why he needed this equipment including a CPR machine. CM said when MJ was performing at the O2 arena he was going to be performing extraordinary things. Also considering his age, CM wanted the machine. KJ asked wouldn't this be at the arena? CM told her he didn't want to take any chances. KJ was worried MJ might have a heart problem or was unhealthy. CM assured her he was healthy. CM told KJ three times that MJ was in perfect health.

They also discussed where CM was licensed to practice medicine. Murray told Kathy he was licensed to practice in CA, TX, NV, Hawaii.

June 23 conversation: CM had some revisions he wanted. He asked the term to be changed from September 2009 to March 2010. Start date was changed to May 1. Contract said "services requested by the producer" CM asked it to be changed to "artist". KJ asked CM to help with medical records of MJ to submit to insurer for concert cancellation insurance. Insurer company asked for 5 year of medical history. CM asked KJ to send what is required to MJ's house.He said that he had only been the physician of MJ for 3 years and since MJ was in such good health, the file would be very tiny. KJ later provided CM insurer company's information so that he can contact directly.

CM repeatedly told her MJ was healthy, in excellent condition, he was great.

Prosecution presented contract that Murray sent to KJ on June 24th. The only signature on it was CM.
Above where MJ was supposed to sign reads:

"The undersigned hereby confirms that he has requested Producer to engage Dr. Murray on the terms set forth herein on behalf of and at the expense of the undersigned."

The contract was between Murray, AEG Live, GCA Holdings with the consent of Michael.

Defense cross examination

Contract was not signed and no payment was made to CM - at least by AEG. CM had to provide liability insurance and medical malpractice insurance.

CM told KJ he would need the equipment in London. First time KJ talked to CM was on the 18th. When she received the information from Tim Wooley, the CPR machine was already on the list of machines CM needed.

Kathy: "Murray said he needed the CPR machine for MJ at the venue. He did not indicate home use."

KJ was not aware of the hours CM would be providing services to MJ. She assumed they would be during the day. She had no hint that the services would be at night.

Records were not provided to KJ. But she requested that medical reords be sent to the broker trying to secure the insurance (Bob Taylor).

According to the contract CM was not prohibited from doing other things at all.

Contract was terminable at the discretion of MJ. CM was not guarateed the next month of employment.
 
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