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ALERT ALERT MJ Neverland News [check post #1 for updates]

AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
I personally think that Michael has discussed his future plans for that ranch with Colony. and I think that the idea is gonna be something along the lines of a resort/retreat/museum type thingy and that place is gonna end up being a cash cow for many years to come. Both for Michael and Colony.

In other words, Michael has the legendary estate and the ideas. Colony has the funding. Somewheres down the road, we will see what Michael has planned for his property.
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I have to agree with you. And if I recall correctly, didn't MJ say something along those lines when he initially hooked up with Thomas Barrack and Colony.

Maybe somebody can pull up that little statement MJ made when it was announced that he would be doing business with Colony. I think it would be good for us to look at that again, because at that early point, they most likely knew in what direction they would be going and MJ's statement sort of reflected that.
 
u know..the only thing that bothers me, is that the only thing that hasn't changed before this story began and where it is now..is how the updates happen in the first post. i think MJ needs fan support in keeping the story of MJ straight, where it counts..and that is, that if the media gets its way, it'll conveniently 'forget' that he was acquitted. i'm tired of the media spin on MJ..i really am. it reminds me of his angry speech. the practice of rewriting history.
 
Bee said:
I see your point, but MJ was always grown. A child cannot own a home, pay the mortgage or what have you. I would not be shocked if MJ had a big time party at NL and when I mean by party, I do not mean a party filled with kids celebriting someone's birthday. Hehehehehe. I mean, you never know.
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Hey Bee, I meant he has grown emotionally, he seems much more confident in himself and is no longer searching for his childhood, instead he has found it through his own children. The pleasures of childhood he missed out on, he can now live through his own kids. Thats what I meant :cheeky:
 
wendy2004 said:
And the war continues. :lol:

Bee, thanks. You made some great points as well. ;D
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It isn't a war at all. I don't want the fans being mislead into false hopes. I would love it if Michael owned/partially owned his property. I just want verification from him, that's all. It's hypocritical to believe one "source" that's favorable to Michael and not believe another "source" because they are unfavorable.

We should take things at face value and wait for confirmation about the joint venture.
 
I thought I read "I want a vacation from him" *shakes head and looks again* It would be more like "I want a vacation WITH him" :lol:
 
MJJC MOD 1 said:
It isn't a war at all. I don't want the fans being mislead into false hopes. I would love it if Michael owned/partially owned his property. I just want verification from him, that's all. It's hypocritical to believe one "source" that's favorable to Michael and not believe another "source" because they are unfavorable.

We should take things at face value and wait for confirmation about the joint venture.
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You're actually right about waiting for confirmation from a valid source about the context of the documents. I wholheartedly agree with you on that. I think we all should wait before drawing conclusions. My war comment wasn't in reference to anything you said btw. :flowers:
 
Ape said:
I thought I read "I want a vacation from him" *shakes head and looks again* It would be more like "I want a vacation WITH him" :lol:
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Ape, how do you look leaning back on sandy beach holding a Mai Tai with a little umbrella sticking into it?
 
LOL!!!!

I go to bed, wake up and see the news hasn't changed, but now fans have twisted it to have a new meaning and believing that MJ now partially owns his sale and that he actually has a say in what they people who purchased the place will do with it....


it's ok guys you'll get through the denial stage at some point :flowers:


I gotta agree with MJJC MOD 1 some fans always look like they're grasping at straws when they accept "a close source/friend has reported" in the press when the news is positive.
Because everyone knows what MJ fans are like with "close sources" when the news reported is negative,,,
 
L.J said:
LOL!!!!

I go to bed, wake up and see the news hasn't changed, but now fans have twisted it to have a new meaning and believing that MJ now partially owns his sale and that he actually has a say in what they people who purchased the place will do with it....


it's ok guys you'll get through the denial stage at some point :flowers:


I gotta agree with MJJC MOD 1 some fans always look like they're grasping at straws when they accept "a close source/friend has reported" in the press when the news is positive.
Because everyone knows what MJ fans are like with "close sources" when the news reported is negative,,,
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from what i read of her post..we aren't supposed to accept negative or postive till the confirmation happens...which hasn't happed by Michael, yet...and probably never will because he is like titanium when discussing financial matters. and that means he never does..

why are u condescending to ur fellow members? that comment about denail can make a person feel quite belittled.
 
note to the next bunch of fans who hang out at mikes hotels dont be getting notes from him saying something we cant read or understand tell him to write an essay on what the heck hes done with the ranch case the confusion and specualtion is killing me. put me out of my misery mike one way or the other lol
 
why are u condescending to ur fellow members? that comment about denail can make a person feel quite belittled.
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But... there is denial. There are documents that prove that Neverland is SOLD. And that FACT doesn't seem to come through quite yet.
 
Glad to see Michael sorting the ranch out. Can't understand how anyone is surprised. This was practically a forgone conclusion months ago, just a matter of the right terms and agreeement. These things take time do not happen over night.

I see it as a positive move for Michael, a new chapter for him. Neverland is just property, not his heart or ideas. He was never going to go back after 2005. Baffled as to why fans would think that he would. Michael ain't crying tears at this stage. Maybe a couple of years ago but certainly not today.
 
Hoofmark said:
Because there is denial. There are documents that prove that Neverland is SOLD. And that FACT doesn't seem to come through quite yet.
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having read the first instructions on this post about allowing ALL opinions..that means ALLL opinions...i'll say this...

you still are missing a multitude of minute details that u know nothing about..and neither do i. it should tell u something that MJ refuses to speak on the matter...

that leaves us where we always are....and that is speculating on what really happened.

the one thing that the fans that are supposedly in denial never tend to do, that YOU are doing, is making this a personal situation about the personality of the fans. the rule of leaving the fans and fellow members out of it, as far as personal statements is concerned, is STILL the rule.
 
What is the first stage of grieving? Is it not "denial?" It should not be made light of. One may not view another's reason for grieving valid, but it is all relative, and what they are feeling is real and significant to them.

As with any loss...give others time to reach the stage of "acceptance."
 
L.J said:
it's ok guys you'll get through the denial stage at some point :flowers:
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I think it's a little unfair for you to say that some of us, including me, are in denial, just because our opinion does not mesh with your opinion.

I mean, MAYBE you're the one who is in denial.:flowers:
 
Victoria83 said:
Agreed. It's important to be respectful of others' emotions. Even if we don't share them, people and their life circumstances are not all alike. Some fans are very young, and others have serious life-issues, so support and caring are important.

peace,

Victoria
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................agreed totally,I sure will be checkin' in the fan-support to see if everyone is ok!:better::yes:We need eachother now,no problem for me at all to be here for you all!:D:yes::better::wub:
 
whoevers right in the end interms of whats going on does the otherside have to do an online forfit? *just wondering lol*
 
queen g said:
What is the first stage of grieving? Is it not "denial?" It should not be made light of. One may not view another's reason for grieving valid, but it is all relative, and what they are feeling is real and significant to them.

As with any loss...give others time to reach the stage of "acceptance."
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..........Yup,that can take awhile but thats no problem at all!:better::yes:
 
as far as i know..i don't have a life issue..if i'm supposed to know whta that means...lol...but..sure..i've gone through stuff. so has everybody.
i don't think the fans' youth or 'life issues' is an issue. even that sounds condescending. it's like a judgement call. and though i know a lot of people would love, at this point to jump on the 'oversensitive' bandwagon..that isn't an issue either, because it's just a matter of sticking to the rules of the forum regarding getting personal. we all know when a personal comment is directed at a fan, no matter what state of mind you are in.
 
whoevers right in the end interms of whats going on does the otherside have to do an online forfit? *just wondering lol*
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I'll be the first to do a happy dance and break out my guitar if Michael continues to hold a financial interest in that property. It isn't about who's right and who's wrong. It's about holding on to your horses until more information comes out.

Can someone answer this for me? If a report from the AP came out and said "Sources confirm to the AP that Michael Jackson just sold Neverland and he's filing for bankruptcy. These sources wish to remain unnamed and cites anonymity" would you believe it or wait until Michael confirm or denies it?

This has nothing to do with denial or or being jaded. Can't we wait until we hear more from Michael? And if we hear nothing, can't we accept the fact that Neverland is no more? Hold on to hope? Sure! But don't start spinning something favorable based off of unnamed sources that you would not otherwise accept if it was a different situation.
 
vncwilliam said:
as far as i know..i don't have a life issue..if i'm supposed to know whta that means...lol...but..sure..i've gone through stuff. so has everybody.
i don't think the fans' youth or 'life issues' is an issue. even that sounds condescending. it's like a judgement call. and though i know a lot of people would love, at this point to jump on the 'oversensitive' bandwagon..that isn't an issue either, because it's just a matter of sticking to the rules of the forum regarding getting personal. we all know when a personal comment is directed at a fan, no matter what state of mind you are in.
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The point is to be respectful of differences in fans' reactions and respectful of staff. Some people are upset, regardless of the reason. It's MORE than a matter of sticking ot the rules of the forum. It's about overall respect during a time that is difficult for some. That's it.

Vic
 
mod can u answer this for me cause you seem to be all up on the deeds and what not. i presume the deal breaker in this is all about the sycamore ranch company and who owns it because if mj is a part owner then he basically sold it back to himself but it has 2 owners now instead of one.one being mj the other coloney who ownes more of a % who knows.

wouldnt sycamore be a registared company? and wouldnt those who own sycamore be named on some documents that are public record?
 
also some are talking like this is the same as the ATV deal with sony. now that could only be possible if sycamore is a joint company. they think the the 2 companies have joined together and colony paid mj x amount because mj is bringing the ranch into the business which is obviously the the thing that will create the money is this believable?
 
elusive moonwalker said:
mod can u answer this for me cause you seem to be all up on the deeds and what not. i presume the deal breaker in this is all about the sycamore ranch company and who owns it because if mj is a part owner then he basically sold it back to himself but it has 2 owners now instead of one.one being mj the other coloney who ownes more of a % who knows.

wouldnt sycamore be a registared company? and wouldnt those who own sycamore be named on some documents that are public record?
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I can't answer that because I am not in the deeds. I'm going off the confirmed information that was presented on various forums and the Santa Barbara site. I pulled up the definitions of the titles of the filings.

Sycamore is a registered company and Troubleman posted a link showing the Sycamore Valley Ranch, LLC but it doesn't show who's within the LLC. That is why I'm telling members to use caution before saying that it is a fact that Michael is in a joint partnership.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
mod can u answer this for me cause you seem to be all up on the deeds and what not. i presume the deal breaker in this is all about the sycamore ranch company and who owns it because if mj is a part owner then he basically sold it back to himself but it has 2 owners now instead of one.one being mj the other coloney who ownes more of a % who knows.

wouldnt sycamore be a registared company? and wouldnt those who own sycamore be named on some documents that are public record?
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If you must, LOL, I'd suggest looking in Delaware because their tax laws are favorable to large financial institutions. Most major credit card companies in the U.S. are based in Delaware, including Citi Bank.

We don't know any more than has been posted in the original link/document. It is possible that to get from under the debt, Michael relinquished the amount of the debt to the mortgage-holder. . . Colony Capital. Because the amount of the debt was less than an outright sale of the property, Michael retains the remainder, hence the formation of a company (Sycamore) to accommodate the interests of each party. Given that, it's also possible that if he comes up with the funds to buy BACK all of the property, he probably gets first bid. I don't have inside information, but that seems logical to me.

Vic
 
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