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A Message from the Estate Of Michael Jackson Re Wembley concert DVD Quality [Discussion]

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At the end of the day if the band members watched it on a big theatre screen and have said positive things about the quality then it must be pretty good.
 
rsggamer123 said:
At the end of the day if the band members watched it on a big theatre screen and have said positive things about the quality then it must be pretty good.
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I am positive too! - I think it will be great!
 
rsggamer123 said:
At the end of the day if the band members watched it on a big theatre screen and have said positive things about the quality then it must be pretty good.
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It would be very stupid if they say "Well, its watchable... They(remasterer) did what can be done... "
Did you forgot what was going on here as the snippet came, for weeks? Its really unwise to play the honest after all that. Also uhhmm, band members? they can give me opinion on how the sound quality is.
 
Hess said:
I am looking very much forward to this release. Been looking forward to it for years! - Just saying picture quality is also important. - If you think audio is the only important thing - all you need is the Live CD!
When I watch a MJ Show it not just a concert. It's theater! It's a musical! It's a movie taking place in front of you! The visual is very important IMO!

But even if it is not very good quality I will still watch the show over and over and over.
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The person you're quoting never said audio was the only important thing. "Just take the live CD"? Are you serious with that, if someone wants good audio they should not be allowed to watch the video being released? That makes no sense to me. When you see a concert you are there mainly for the music, the performance is an interpretation of the music, of course audio is going to be the biggest factor in a concert DVD. Yes dancing and the performance are important as well but as long as you can see what is going on it is fine, you dont need to see every small little detail, it would be nice but it's not going to happen.
 
I have got a reply from Warren Eagles, colorist of the BAD TOUR in London.

He said footage of several European, Australian and Japanese legs were recorded on film.
The Wembley show however was completely shot on film. 2 of the 5 nights were completely shot on film.


So the film reels are lying around somewhere. Frank Dileo knew where they were. This is madness, we need those in order to get the Bluray! The show was edited onto a 1 inch tape, so there is no film reel with the edited footage. ONLY RAW FOOTAGE!

Can we somehow get in contact with Frank Dileo's people? Maybe they can steer us.
 
IMWhizzle said:
I have got a reply from Warren Eagles, colorist of the BAD TOUR in London.

He said footage of several European, Australian and Japanese legs were recorded on film.
The Wembley show however was completely shot on film. 2 of the 5 nights were completely shot on film.



So the film reels are lying around somewhere. Frank Dileo knew where they were. This is madness, we need those in order to get the Bluray! The show was edited onto a 1 inch tape, so there is no film reel with the edited footage. ONLY RAW FOOTAGE!

Can we somehow get in contact with Frank Dileo's people? Maybe they can steer us.
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FIVE nights? hell no, michael did SEVEN! is warren lying?

and is it ACTUAL film. i.e. grainy, widescreen, 2.33:1 film?

if it is, then a release like this might be on the horizon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q7ztDgXg4Y

i mean, COME ON? led zeppelin and queen having SUPERB motion-picture quality concert films that were filmed AND released BEFORE michael
 
newstarter11 said:
FIVE nights? hell no, michael did SEVEN! is warren lying?
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He's not lying. He did 5 concerts in row at Wembley. Other two were performed month later.

IMWhizzle said:
I have got a reply from Warren Eagles, colorist of the BAD TOUR in London.

He said footage of several European, Australian and Japanese legs were recorded on film.
The Wembley show however was completely shot on film. 2 of the 5 nights were completely shot on film.


So the film reels are lying around somewhere. Frank Dileo knew where they were. This is madness, we need those in order to get the Bluray! The show was edited onto a 1 inch tape, so there is no film reel with the edited footage. ONLY RAW FOOTAGE!

Can we somehow get in contact with Frank Dileo's people? Maybe they can steer us.
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Thanks! I hope they find the Bad Tour film footage. It would be amazing to watch Bad Tour on blu-ray. Please Estate!
 
IMWhizzle said:
I have got a reply from Warren Eagles, colorist of the BAD TOUR in London.

He said footage of several European, Australian and Japanese legs were recorded on film.
The Wembley show however was completely shot on film. 2 of the 5 nights were completely shot on film.



So the film reels are lying around somewhere. Frank Dileo knew where they were. This is madness, we need those in order to get the Bluray! The show was edited onto a 1 inch tape, so there is no film reel with the edited footage. ONLY RAW FOOTAGE!

Can we somehow get in contact with Frank Dileo's people? Maybe they can steer us.
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It's good to find out that the shows were recorded on film. HOWEVER 25 years is a long time and we know that MJ didn't ensure the footage was properly looked after so it could have been destroyed by now. It doesn't necessarily still exist. Certainly it seems to have been lost because I doubt the Estate would risk releasing the VHS if they had the film. (in fact MJ may never have had complete access to the footage as it was owned by Nocturne wasn't it?)
If Frank really did know where the footage is, I wonder whether that was true in the last few years or whether he just knew where it was in the few years following BAD. As he was not MJ's manager for a long time and had no obligation to keep tabs on it, I would imagine that he didn't actually know where the footage was in recent times before he died. He was helping The MJ EState with the BAD25 preparation when he died so I would have thought if he knew where the footage was at that point he would have told them and we would be getting a BluRay release not VHS quality on DVD.
It's so sad to find out that the best concert tour by one of the greatest ever performers is only in VHS quality and not BluRay. The Estate said they have high quality video but poor audio for some concerts (they didn't specify which ones). Maybe they DO have high quality footage for other Wembley dates but they don't have the multitrack audio for them. What they are releasing is a compromise, based around providing a high quality Live CD/DVD package at the expense of video quality.
 
newstarter11 said:
FIVE nights? hell no, michael did SEVEN! is warren lying?

and is it ACTUAL film. i.e. grainy, widescreen, 2.33:1 film?

if it is, then a release like this might be on the horizon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q7ztDgXg4Y

i mean, COME ON? led zeppelin and queen having SUPERB motion-picture quality concert films that were filmed AND released BEFORE michael?!?
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The concert was shot on a mixture of 35mm and 16mm film, according to warren Eagles.

Footage of the ANOTHER PART OF ME VIDEO is from those reels.
 
All these years we were guessing and speculating, if any full show was recorded on film or just sigments for Moonwalker. Now as we have pretty believable proof, we learn that many of the footage isn't avaible, lost, still unfound or maybe destroyed. This has such a bitter taste, as to not know what really was recorded.

Many stated that that filming is very expensive and concerts were filmed only if intended for theatrical release. We couldn't belive that no one thought about archiving the biggest tour in the 80's for the future generations. Well, now we know someone did.
I remember that some member contacted Nocturne about that, but it wasn't very clear, if the recorded stuff they refered was video or film recording. I think they said the footage was given to Michael. Also, the project Warren Eagles was talking about, might be seperate project to what Nocturne was doing.
the only thing we can do is giving the estate hints and infos what is been done, so the can search for the material. and wait, till we have luck, one day to enjoy more then just MITM from Bad tour in High Definition.


One more thin that is make me wonder is, if the explicit "insit" of the fans, to release unedtited "just from one night, no mixing " show, has lead this to the wrong direction. Many don't realise that concerts are mostly mixed from 2-3 nights and that this is common procedure. cause the annoncement particularly states that its been taken to account this stupid (i know you realise this now) condition. Cause, its possible to take the HQ video footage they have and mix it with the multi-tracks audio, so that its not notible that both sources are from different nights. this has been done with other artist releases. BUUUUUTTT again, some will feel betrayed again, beef like they do with Bucharest and Munich.

Michaels music have been secured and safe for the future. Michaels video archives must be handled the same way, cause they are just as worth as his music. so i think the estate must put the same effort to how they do with his music catalog. and not just clean the basement when they plan something to release.
I know they did good those 3 years, but 2-3 persons aren't enough to manage this issues with demos and lost video material.

P.S. i know i'm repeating myself.
 
lom kit said:
One more thin that is make me wonder is, if the explicit "insit" of the fans, to release unedtited "just from one night, no mixing " show, has lead this to the wrong direction. Many don't realise that concerts are mostly mixed from 2-3 nights and that this is common procedure. cause the annoncement particularly states that its been taken to account this stupid (i know you realise this now) condition. Cause, its possible to take the HQ video footage they have and mix it with the multi-tracks audio, so that its not notible that both sources are from different nights. this has been done with other artist releases. BUUUUUTTT again, some will feel betrayed again, beef like they do with Bucharest and Munich.
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I agree, I thought the same thing when the concert release was announced.
The fans were hugely critical with 'Michael' and so the Estate are trying to do what the purist section of the MJ fan community seems to want. However, what the purists want is not necessarily the best thing to release IMO. The fans demanded Wembley. The fans always demand 'untouched' audio/video. The fans don't have the full knowledge of what is available and what is possible. As you say, most released concerts are multiple shows edited together. There's nothing wrong with that IMO. It produces the best product. What we will have is a full unedited Wembley show, resulting in less than ideal video quality. Who knows, if they followed the usual approach (editing shows together), maybe we could have had a full high quality (BluRay) release made of several film concerts edited together with the video edited to suit the multi-tack audio. Would that have been so bad? Sure, we would have known what they had done, but the general public wouldn't know or care (unless the MJ fans caused an unecessary fuss over it). I can see why the estate wouldn't want to risk a backlash from fans and would decide to follow this avenue instead.
 
I don't like watching concert dvd that is edited together from multiple shows. Its not real concert then. That's why I don't watch 30th Anniversary concert very often. If they ever find the films they should release full concerts and not edit them together.
 
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Galactus123 said:
I don't like watching concert dvd that is edited together from multiple shows. Its not real concert then. That's why I don't watch 30th Anniversary concert very often. If they ever find the films they should release full concerts and not edit them together.
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Did you enjoy THIS IS IT? If so, that was a montage from various performances with pristine audio quality from one rehearsal together with the video. I don't care if they can release a full BAD tour show on Bluray consisting of various performances/nights.
 
IMWhizzle said:
Did you enjoy THIS IS IT? If so, that was a montage from various performances with pristine audio quality from one rehearsal together with the video. I don't care if they can release a full BAD tour show on Bluray consisting of various performances/nights.
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I did like it but I didn't like that montage thing at all. I would have liked to see full performances in the movie and then they should have added more full performances as extra material on the dvd. I want to be sure that the audio is really from the performance I'm watcing.
 
Have you guys seen Queen Montreal 1981 blu-ray? It is actually mix of 2 nights. I doubt you noticed. However it works great.
 
The Estate should be spending the money to digitise absolutely everything in the best possible quality right now. Both so they have records of everything they actually have, and to preserve things from further degradation. Also they should be searching for and following leads on things that are out there that they may not have or have gone missing. It's very important. I don't know if these things are being done or not.
 
IMWhizzle said:
Did you enjoy THIS IS IT? If so, that was a montage from various performances with pristine audio quality from one rehearsal together with the video. I don't care if they can release a full BAD tour show on Bluray consisting of various performances/nights.
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Bad Tour on Blu-Ray would be insane. Moonwalker was ridiculously good quality. It was amazing. Bucharest pisses me off however. I'd hate a Bad Tour show like that. Way too many crowd shots, it's actually pretty crappy. The MJ parts are brilliant, but the crowd ruins it. It's the best possible way to release it, like the DVD with the jumbo feed. Hardly any crowd, and we can just enjoy MJ at his almost peak, for two whole hours!
 
IMWhizzle said:
I have got a reply from Warren Eagles, colorist of the BAD TOUR in London.

He said footage of several European, Australian and Japanese legs were recorded on film.
The Wembley show however was completely shot on film. 2 of the 5 nights were completely shot on film.


So the film reels are lying around somewhere. Frank Dileo knew where they were. This is madness, we need those in order to get the Bluray! The show was edited onto a 1 inch tape, so there is no film reel with the edited footage. ONLY RAW FOOTAGE!

Can we somehow get in contact with Frank Dileo's people? Maybe they can steer us..
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The film reels is probably lying somewehere in warehouse without anyone knowing whats on them :(
 
Galactus123 said:
I don't like watching concert dvd that is edited together from multiple shows. Its not real concert then. That's why I don't watch 30th Anniversary concert very often. If they ever find the films they should release full concerts and not edit them together.
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See, thats what i'm talking about.
"Don't like edited concerts" Don't like lipsynching" "Don't like Michael holding his hand infront of his mouth" "Don't like Michael wearing his hair tight" "Don't like Michael wearing blue"

Now be true to yourself and confess, how did you feel about Munich when you watch it? Before you've been told its mix of two days. Yes, i know the bug sceen was obvious. but the rest? you did notice the edits right away, right?
Same with Bucharest. BOW and MITM and the toaster were obvious, but the rest? Ok, the crowd shots were to much, but we all know Michael loved that. (the shmogley tapes prove it)
Overall, its very less edited from the other nights. You all think like the whole show is mash-up.

Sometimes is better to not tell you anything , cause else you start to complain. (don't mean you personaly)

Just don't understand whats bugging you that much?

I'm sure you enjoy the missed toaster in Bucharest, the camera man filming the floor while running around the stage and the awkward angle of the moonwalk.

You do know that songs on the albums are mixed from recordings of different days and not recorded in one take? Does this make a song less real or unique?

Micheals fans are the most grumping, whining and unsatisfied fans of all.


What happend with "thats the way Michael wanted"? does this apply only to his music? why you think Munich has 3 edits?


Yeah yeah, i know, " i wasn't complainig about the quality as the wembley snipped came out, the other were". there is no other here, we are one. cause such things are seen by the executors as one.

if you had read the article from warren eagles about the filmed 2 shows edited to one, and if that material did still exist and is to be released on blu-ray, you'll be ignoring it?
 
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I guess the Man In The Mirror performance in Spike Lee's documentary is the same from the dvd so we will have a good idea of final quality this weekend.
 
Galactus123 said:
The film reels is probably lying somewehere in warehouse without anyone knowing whats on them :(
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I can not in my wildest imagination understand how anyone could not mark the film of Michael's Bad concert or anyother concert. Even at the time it was a huge thing and not marking it properly would mean lost possible income, possible tremendous income might I say in case it was ever released. If Frank Dileo knew where the film was, how could he have forgotten or misplaced it??? For crying out loud, these films are a piece of history!!!
 
WildStyle said:
The Estate should be spending the money to digitise absolutely everything in the best possible quality right now. Both so they have records of everything they actually have, and to preserve things from further degradation. Also they should be searching for and following leads on things that are out there that they may not have or have gone missing. It's very important. I don't know if these things are being done or not.
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second accounting shows Estate has an archiving project ongoing that they paid $789,450 for the last year. Branca also said in a recent interview that they are digitiliazing everything.
 
Official BAD 25 trailer (with shots from the Wembley dvd)
The quality looks amazing! ^^ Better then I thought!!
But is the trailer really an official one?
 
Billie Jean 78 said:
I can not in my wildest imagination understand how anyone could not mark the film of Michael's Bad concert or anyother concert. Even at the time it was a huge thing and not marking it properly would mean lost possible income, possible tremendous income might I say in case it was ever released. If Frank Dileo knew where the film was, how could he have forgotten or misplaced it??? For crying out loud, these films are a piece of history!!!
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OMG, I am sooo sad and angry right now because we know for sure they're actually lying somewhere and nobody does anything... *sigh* :cry:
 
Now lets not jump to conclusions. :better: We dont know any such thing, I dont know what you are even basing that on. We do NOT know for sure. Others in the know have explained how much has beenmoved misplaced etc etc over the years. And a reliable article was posted about why so much of material fromt that time was lost in storage not just Michaels. Im sure the estate is doign thier best to track it all down. If Frank was aware he most defienatly would have given the estate info on where to find them. He had been out in the picture for many yrs, so Im not even sure he still had first hand knowledge of ther where abouts.

The estate has no reason to lie about what footage they have. It is in their best interest to have and release it. Not keep it hidden in a dungeon. Accordign to Spike Lee they have a tons of footage. but just not so much a filmed bad tours it seems. Also we know not all concerts were put on film.
 
qbee said:
I dont know what you are even basing that on.
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my post was based on this;

IMWhizzle said:
I have got a reply from Warren Eagles, colorist of the BAD TOUR in London.

He said footage of several European, Australian and Japanese legs were recorded on film.
The Wembley show however was completely shot on film. 2 of the 5 nights were completely shot on film.


So the film reels are lying around somewhere. Frank Dileo knew where they were. This is madness, we need those in order to get the Bluray! The show was edited onto a 1 inch tape, so there is no film reel with the edited footage. ONLY RAW FOOTAGE!

Can we somehow get in contact with Frank Dileo's people? Maybe they can steer us.
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zhelva said:
my post was based on this;
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Well I think the Frank Dileo part was Iwhizzles own speculation. He should have seperated thet it from the information he recieved from Warren. he should have quoted Warren and then added his thoughts so as not to cause confusion. We don't know if Frank knew where the footage is. He was out of the picture for a long time and things have been moved checked out and in several times over the years. If he did know he would have told the Estate because he was working closely with them before he became ill. The estate has a lot of Michaels footage - I'm sure they have people hired and on the case to locate as much as they possible can. They know it's very important to have it in there possession. They are also digitalizing what they do have to protect it.
 
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