A little story about Joe Jackson

[twinklEE]

More proof than what a guy who was with Michael for years said, two days after his passing? People are always willing to give Joe a pass. The day Murray gets out of the courtroom a free man, I want to read your excuses.

BTW, I think it's exactly the contrary of what you said. Joe put Michael in the direction towards his greatest potential for selfish reasons; he never wanted Michael to be the best, he wanted his son to be profitable for him. Joe put Michael in that direction so he (Joe) could become rich, have glory and fame, not because he wanted the best for his son. To sum up, Joe did that because he realized that was a way for him to lead an easy, lazy, billionaire, famous and glorious life not because he wanted Michael to become glorious.He did that because he realized his son could become a passport to a billionaire, dream lifestyle not because he was unselfish and wanted the best for Michael. Joe did that because he wanted the best for Joe and, as soon as he realized Michael had potential, used him as a passport. And that is why he "put Michael in the direction towards his greatest potential". He realized that, if he did that, he would become a millionaire, a celebrity and so on.

Joe wanted Michael to become rich, so he could leech off millions.
Joe wanted Michael to become famous so he could become a celebrity off of his son.
Joe wanted Michael to become glorious so he could take credit and become a glorious figure himself.
And that is why he put Michael "in the direction to his greatest potential"...so he could use him as a passport/puppet, not out of the best interests for his son.

Had Michael not let Joe profit off of him and he would attempt to destroy his son's career. He did indeed put Michael "in the direction" so he could have a dream lifestyle off of his son, not because he genuinely wanted the best for him. In fact, he didn' care about that.

Memefan; you clearly haven't read many stories regarding Joe, have you?

Exactly

Thank God my parents are nothing like those Jacksons...so no worry.

They worked hard for everything they got....and it did not come out of abusing their offsprings.

or binding minor children to a porn producer.. -_-

 

[xo_lola_xo]

Typical. Right?

sadly, I am not surprised.... poor Michael.

Exactly.

thanx for sharing,,,

everytime i remember how Janet was very angry at MJ when he refused to join her last tour, that Leonard Rowe had to take Michael away from the room becuase Janet and the other brothers were very mad that they may chock him ,,,then i saw Janet on Oprah saying that she was not able to reach Michael and that he was so drugged that she could not be in the room while interveting,,,,i feel so sick to the stomach ,,,how could she made up all these lies,,,,how could Kathrine gave Oprah Michael's pride and his three kids for money,,,,how could they give LMP approval to be in his funeral after all the poision she spewed at his image and name when he was alive and how Kathrine say that LMP loved MJ although the whole interview was filled with lies about leaving MJ becuase of his drugs although MJ was the one who cut her and left her ,,,,she said all of this in her songs " erasing your phone numers", and that she was not able to stop him from the bad things he may do and that he was able to molest since she was not in the room and now she and the Jacksons want to change the history and make MJ the monster they tried to save from himself !

liars liars liars !


this family make me sick ! all of them !

I agree! They all make me sick! I used to really love Janet but...*sigh*.
I really hate how when he was alive, it was all "I'm not gonna talk about my brother" and she tried to make it look like she was protecting him but to me, it looked like she was ashamed. I'm sorry to say.

More proof than what a guy who was with Michael for years said, two days after his passing? People are always willing to give Joe a pass. The day Murray gets out of the courtroom a free man, I want to read your excuses.

BTW, I think it's exactly the contrary of what you said. Joe put Michael in the direction towards his greatest potential for selfish reasons; he never wanted Michael to be the best, he wanted his son to be profitable for him. Joe put Michael in that direction so he (Joe) could become rich, have glory and fame, not because he wanted the best for his son. To sum up, Joe did that because he realized that was a way for him to lead an easy, lazy, billionaire, famous and glorious life not because he wanted Michael to become glorious.He did that because he realized his son could become a passport to a billionaire, dream lifestyle not because he was unselfish and wanted the best for Michael. Joe did that because he wanted the best for Joe and, as soon as he realized Michael had potential, used him as a passport. And that is why he "put Michael in the direction towards his greatest potential". He realized that, if he did that, he would become a millionaire, a celebrity and so on.

Joe wanted Michael to become rich, so he could leech off millions.
Joe wanted Michael to become famous so he could become a celebrity off of his son.
Joe wanted Michael to become glorious so he could take credit and become a glorious figure himself.
And that is why he put Michael "in the direction to his greatest potential"...so he could use him as a passport/puppet, not out of the best interests for his son.

Had Michael not let Joe profit off of him and he would attempt to destroy his son's career. He did indeed put Michael "in the direction" so he could have a dream lifestyle off of his son, not because he genuinely wanted the best for him. In fact, he didn' care about that.

Memefan; you clearly haven't read many stories regarding Joe, have you?

I agree with this post too. However, regarding your other posts,
Joe doesn't compare to Hitler. Come on! That man killed MILLIONS for nothing.

And if you pay closer attention, many members on MJJC are against some/all of the Jacksons and they are not banned. MJJC staff are doing well.

 

[Alma]

People, this is Christmas now, can't bitter matters like these be at least set aside for a couple of days? That won't kill you.


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[blueocean]

n i find it funny that if you hate the jackson family sooooo much, why would you continously click on the 2300 Jackson Street forum and constantly post about them. if you hate them so much and think they are the scum of the earth then dont click on a froum dedicated to them. nobody is forcing any of you to post on here...

I agree with you, I see something wrong with this hate, there are a few jackson family fans left on this site many have moved on or come here sometime to see what they are saying to defend the jackson family out of respect for michael who loved his family and would not approved of the one spreading lies to get others to hate on the jackson family, that is what we see the motive are why else would you go to a section dedicated to the jackson that reads Love the jackson? want the most up-to-date news on your favorite jackson family member? This is where you can discuss and post anything related to the jackson family, and then you read some lies being spread about them and the bashing makes no sense cause what the bashing is over is a bunch of lies and many times the lies have been pointed out, It's like a mission to try and get the jackson family fans to turn on them but that will never happen with the majority of us fans we love michael jackson and the jackson family we want let these lies take our support away from the jackson family the brothers fan base have growned sense michael passing and is still growing many fans dont want to hear this hate brought on by lies we defened michael from these type of lies and we will defend the jackson family from these lies also. we know michael would want that, michael never hated his family or talked bad about them but always said he loved them even joe. and no family is perfect.

 

[Angelofmj]

More proof than what a guy who was with Michael for years said, two days after his passing? People are always willing to give Joe a pass. The day Murray gets out of the courtroom a free man, I want to read your excuses.

BTW, I think it's exactly the contrary of what you said. Joe put Michael in the direction towards his greatest potential for selfish reasons; he never wanted Michael to be the best, he wanted his son to be profitable for him. Joe put Michael in that direction so he (Joe) could become rich, have glory and fame, not because he wanted the best for his son. To sum up, Joe did that because he realized that was a way for him to lead an easy, lazy, billionaire, famous and glorious life not because he wanted Michael to become glorious.He did that because he realized his son could become a passport to a billionaire, dream lifestyle not because he was unselfish and wanted the best for Michael. Joe did that because he wanted the best for Joe and, as soon as he realized Michael had potential, used him as a passport. And that is why he "put Michael in the direction towards his greatest potential". He realized that, if he did that, he would become a millionaire, a celebrity and so on.

Joe wanted Michael to become rich, so he could leech off millions.
Joe wanted Michael to become famous so he could become a celebrity off of his son.
Joe wanted Michael to become glorious so he could take credit and become a glorious figure himself.
And that is why he put Michael "in the direction to his greatest potential"...so he could use him as a passport/puppet, not out of the best interests for his son.

Had Michael not let Joe profit off of him and he would attempt to destroy his son's career. He did indeed put Michael "in the direction" so he could have a dream lifestyle off of his son, not because he genuinely wanted the best for him. In fact, he didn' care about that.

Memefan; you clearly haven't read many stories regarding Joe, have you?

i see your point clearly yet at the same time if joe hadnt done all he did to push michael then we would never have known michael jackson and none of us would be here discussing michael jackson

 

[LindavG]

I agree with you, I see something wrong with this hate, there are a few jackson family fans left on this site many have moved on or come here sometime to see what they are saying to defend the jackson family out of respect for michael who loved his family and would not approved of the one spreading lies to get others to hate on the jackson family, that is what we see the motive are why else would you go to a section dedicated to the jackson that reads Love the jackson? want the most up-to-date news on your favorite jackson family member? This is where you can discuss and post anything related to the jackson family, and then you read some lies being spread about them and the bashing makes no sense cause what the bashing is over is a bunch of lies and many times the lies have been pointed out, It's like a mission to try and get the jackson family fans to turn on them but that will never happen with the majority of us fans we love michael jackson and the jackson family we want let these lies take our support away from the jackson family the brothers fan base have growned sense michael passing and is still growing many fans dont want to hear this hate brought on by lies we defened michael from these type of lies and we will defend the jackson family from these lies also. we know michael would want that, michael never hated his family or talked bad about them but always said he loved them even joe. and no family is perfect.

Not in public, no. But there are recorded phone conversations (like the Glenda tapes) where he definitely speaks bad about his family. And rightly so, may I add. Here's a few examples:

2.2
"Joseph used to beat us all the time and... (inaudible)dance… would.... He would, he would just ..get to me. And I bought into that, he was like, "Oh you put on a few pounds." (...) And being brought up with Joseph and stuff like that.. when we were rehearsing on 2300- where we used to live. It’s like, If I danced wrong, if I sang the wrong note, I'd get the hell beat out of me, I'd get thrown in the basement. (...) When I was little [Joseph told me] "You look so black, you don't look like my child. Your nose is so big" and this and that. They used to call me Big Nose and stuff. And instead of retaliating on them, I just did it with myself."

2.3
"Joseph always told Randy “you’re not good enough, you don’t have talent.” (...) And he knocked me down on the floor one time ‘cause we were rehearsing in our living room. I did something wrong. He knocked the MESS out of me. And we were supposed to perform somewhere the next day. And he knocked me down so hard, I lost my wind, I lost my wind, right? And I was just little...so I got up, I was so furious. They talk about me being conceited now, you know? I got up and I was crying and stuff. And I said, “Joseph, if you hit me again. I’m not performing!” And he left me alone. I said I’m not doing the show! He said, “don’t you know I will kick your MF ass!” And all this and that, and I got up, the wind was knocked out of me. And I said, you hit me again and I won’t perform. And he knew I was the star performer. (...) He used to scare us when we were little. When we were asleep and we had to get up early in the mornings. We had to have rehearsals before we went to school. God, and he banged on the windows and we looked out the windows and he had a monster mask on and “Mother, mother, mother, there’s a monster!” And we’d get in trouble for crying. (...) I seen my brothers, you know, when we were travelling and stuff and doing the circuit and all that. Joseph would be in another room messing with a girl and it was obvious they were having sex...I didn’t wanna tell mother, and Marlon and I didn’t wanna tell them but.. all my brothers kind of just… did the same thing (...) Glenda: And Jermaine, what is he doing? Michael: Oh GOD… I remember, like I told you before, when Marlon and I had to share a room with Jermaine and Bill was asleep. Jermaine would have girls up there all the time screwing and stuff. I always (said I’d never ??) Marlon said the same thing. I felt so guilty when we used to home from the circuit and stuff before we made it, you know we used to do the club circuits and stuff. I felt so guilty, and I just cried and Joseph choked me, almost broke my arm one day. But he was proud of it. It’s like, (Joseph’s voice) “Oh, this is what you should do, boy.” I mean, he didn’t say that but he was screwin’ women in the other room and stuff (...) Joseph would come home, so glad to see mother. It’d just make me sick. And then Jackie and everyone, they started doing that. I told this girl – Jackie saw her when we were on stage. I told this girl, I said, “Don’t go with Jackie.” He found out and he went backstage and stuff and I said, “Don’t go with him, please don’t go with him.” She’s like, “Why?” I said, “Please don’t go with him, he’s gonna hurt you.” So, she went. She met him. She was a virgin. And he had sex with her and stuff like that. And in the limo, we were in the limo. And they were gonna take this girl home. Like, I said, “Why did you do that? Why you didn’t just listen to me? Why did you do that? Why did you go with him?” And she was just crying. I said, “Did he hurt you?” and she said, “No. But he told me after we had sex that he never wanted to see me again.” I said, “why did you go with him? I told you backstage don’t go with him.”

2.5
Michael: Latoya’s saying all this and that, Latoya upsetting you
Glenda: I tell you Latoya and I went around and around
Michael: *laughing*
Glenda: God, I remember that and she said what do you want and I said, well what do you want? We want back and forth and then finally she said she told me what she said, she said “I want it to end” and I said, “Well, you’re not gonna get that, Latoya.” Funny, she wanted to meet us, she wanted us to meet-
Michael: I know! Her and her…
Glenda: *laughing*
Michael:….hit man, hit man boyfriend.
Glenda: Yeah *laughing*
Michael: I was going to say nigger

AND MY FAVOURITE (3.1):
"You have to act like all that stuff that happened with, with Joseph and stuff. It’s like we’re supposed to be the perfect family, you know, because they're putting your name out there and stuff and, uh, they’re supposed to you know, look good because it sells records and it attracts people (...) It’s like, “the Jackson family, they’re so wholesome” and we all took pictures together back in the Jackson 5 days with Motown and stuff like that. We were all so close and Joseph was, you know, Papa Joe”. You know. And then LaToya told the truth. They portray everything you know, because of publicity. “The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they’re so tight knit.” Tight knit , my ass."

^ If after reading all this (and this is just a small selection) you still think Michael was close to his family, you must be pretty naive. Sure, these conversations are old (early 1990s) but he speaks of evens that took place in the 1960s so if it bothered him so much still after 30 years, I doubt he changed his mind in recent years. Plus we know Jermaine recorded that awful song "supposedly" to get in touch with Michael again, and Janet saying on national television she hadn't seen Michael in years. That should tell you something.

 

[ButterfliesAreFree]

I agree with you, I see something wrong with this hate, there are a few jackson family fans left on this site many have moved on or come here sometime to see what they are saying to defend the jackson family out of respect for michael who loved his family and would not approved of the one spreading lies to get others to hate on the jackson family, that is what we see the motive are why else would you go to a section dedicated to the jackson that reads Love the jackson? want the most up-to-date news on your favorite jackson family member? This is where you can discuss and post anything related to the jackson family, and then you read some lies being spread about them and the bashing makes no sense cause what the bashing is over is a bunch of lies and many times the lies have been pointed out, It's like a mission to try and get the jackson family fans to turn on them but that will never happen with the majority of us fans we love michael jackson and the jackson family we want let these lies take our support away from the jackson family the brothers fan base have growned sense michael passing and is still growing many fans dont want to hear this hate brought on by lies we defened michael from these type of lies and we will defend the jackson family from these lies also. we know michael would want that, michael never hated his family or talked bad about them but always said he loved them even joe. and no family is perfect.

The bottomline is that this is a DISCUSSION board. Everyone does NOT have to AGREE about Michael's family. It is really quite pathetic that some people are more interested in protecting Michael's family than they are him. Why is it alright to agree with them that Michael was a so-called "addict" or that he was in "denial". I and others DON"T agree with that assessment. Why should fans be banned for NOT agreeing with what the Jackson family is saying? Btw, Michael would not agree with his family revealing things to the media about his PRIVATE life. They didn't do it while he was alive, why do it now that he was MURDERED? Again, I am tired of the EXCUSES that some people are giving for THEIR defense of Michael's family, and when others don't agree they are taken to task for that. Again, this is a DISCUSSION board in Michael's honor, not his family's honor.

I have ALWAYS been a fan and defender of the Jackson family;however, since Michael was MURDERED, they have shown a side that I have never seen. They are NOW willing to discuss Michael's PRIVATE life, when they wouldn't have dared to do that while he was alive. WHY NOW, of all times? There is absolutely no excuse or reason for Janet, Joe and others to do what they have said since Michael was murdered by Murray. If anything, they should have done the complete opposite and shut up. The ironic thing is that even radio DJ's who trashed Michael when he was alive are noticing the things that Joe, Janet and other family members are doing and saying since Michael's murder. They are wondering why this sudden rush to tell private things about Michael. I have NEVER, EVER heard a family do what the Jacksons have done when a loved one has passed/murdered; especially, the MOST FAMOUS PERSON IN THE WORLD-Michael Jackson. There are NO excuses, NONE!

 

[Alma]

There's so need to be posting private conversations on the forum just to prove the relationship between Michael and Joe and the family was tense and really shaken sometimes, and call out on other people at the same time. I, for one, am aware of all that, others here are too. If others choose to be a bit more positive and abstain from name-calling and hating, they're labeled Jackson lovers and worse, which couldn't be farther from the truth in some cases.

This is Christmas Day and reminding others or remembering all the bad things they did on this day is pretty insane for such a day. Even if not all may celebrate Christmas and all, but this should be about being more giving and forgiving (I'm talking idyllically, of course), but at least abstaining to inciting to bitterment and hatred for a few days, which is what some are doing. Posting private convos and stuff. Where's the benefit in all this? Michael could forgive, despite his being so hurt, and what a benefit did that bring to his heart, which was peaceful and loving for this very reason. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong, but, still, it's Christmas, dude.......


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[xo_lola_xo]

Not in public, no. But there are recorded phone conversations (like the Glenda tapes) where he definitely speaks bad about his family. And rightly so, may I add. Here's a few examples:

2.2
"Joseph used to beat us all the time and... (inaudible)dance… would.... He would, he would just ..get to me. And I bought into that, he was like, "Oh you put on a few pounds." (...) And being brought up with Joseph and stuff like that.. when we were rehearsing on 2300- where we used to live. It’s like, If I danced wrong, if I sang the wrong note, I'd get the hell beat out of me, I'd get thrown in the basement. (...) When I was little [Joseph told me] "You look so black, you don't look like my child. Your nose is so big" and this and that. They used to call me Big Nose and stuff. And instead of retaliating on them, I just did it with myself."

2.3
"Joseph always told Randy “you’re not good enough, you don’t have talent.” (...) And he knocked me down on the floor one time ‘cause we were rehearsing in our living room. I did something wrong. He knocked the MESS out of me. And we were supposed to perform somewhere the next day. And he knocked me down so hard, I lost my wind, I lost my wind, right? And I was just little...so I got up, I was so furious. They talk about me being conceited now, you know? I got up and I was crying and stuff. And I said, “Joseph, if you hit me again. I’m not performing!” And he left me alone. I said I’m not doing the show! He said, “don’t you know I will kick your MF ass!” And all this and that, and I got up, the wind was knocked out of me. And I said, you hit me again and I won’t perform. And he knew I was the star performer. (...) He used to scare us when we were little. When we were asleep and we had to get up early in the mornings. We had to have rehearsals before we went to school. God, and he banged on the windows and we looked out the windows and he had a monster mask on and “Mother, mother, mother, there’s a monster!” And we’d get in trouble for crying. (...) I seen my brothers, you know, when we were travelling and stuff and doing the circuit and all that. Joseph would be in another room messing with a girl and it was obvious they were having sex...I didn’t wanna tell mother, and Marlon and I didn’t wanna tell them but.. all my brothers kind of just… did the same thing (...) Glenda: And Jermaine, what is he doing? Michael: Oh GOD… I remember, like I told you before, when Marlon and I had to share a room with Jermaine and Bill was asleep. Jermaine would have girls up there all the time screwing and stuff. I always (said I’d never ??) Marlon said the same thing. I felt so guilty when we used to home from the circuit and stuff before we made it, you know we used to do the club circuits and stuff. I felt so guilty, and I just cried and Joseph choked me, almost broke my arm one day. But he was proud of it. It’s like, (Joseph’s voice) “Oh, this is what you should do, boy.” I mean, he didn’t say that but he was screwin’ women in the other room and stuff (...) Joseph would come home, so glad to see mother. It’d just make me sick. And then Jackie and everyone, they started doing that. I told this girl – Jackie saw her when we were on stage. I told this girl, I said, “Don’t go with Jackie.” He found out and he went backstage and stuff and I said, “Don’t go with him, please don’t go with him.” She’s like, “Why?” I said, “Please don’t go with him, he’s gonna hurt you.” So, she went. She met him. She was a virgin. And he had sex with her and stuff like that. And in the limo, we were in the limo. And they were gonna take this girl home. Like, I said, “Why did you do that? Why you didn’t just listen to me? Why did you do that? Why did you go with him?” And she was just crying. I said, “Did he hurt you?” and she said, “No. But he told me after we had sex that he never wanted to see me again.” I said, “why did you go with him? I told you backstage don’t go with him.”

2.5
Michael: Latoya’s saying all this and that, Latoya upsetting you
Glenda: I tell you Latoya and I went around and around
Michael: *laughing*
Glenda: God, I remember that and she said what do you want and I said, well what do you want? We want back and forth and then finally she said she told me what she said, she said “I want it to end” and I said, “Well, you’re not gonna get that, Latoya.” Funny, she wanted to meet us, she wanted us to meet-
Michael: I know! Her and her…
Glenda: *laughing*
Michael:….hit man, hit man boyfriend.
Glenda: Yeah *laughing*
Michael: I was going to say nigger

AND MY FAVOURITE (3.1):
"You have to act like all that stuff that happened with, with Joseph and stuff. It’s like we’re supposed to be the perfect family, you know, because they're putting your name out there and stuff and, uh, they’re supposed to you know, look good because it sells records and it attracts people (...) It’s like, “the Jackson family, they’re so wholesome” and we all took pictures together back in the Jackson 5 days with Motown and stuff like that. We were all so close and Joseph was, you know, Papa Joe”. You know. And then LaToya told the truth. They portray everything you know, because of publicity. “The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they’re so tight knit.” Tight knit , my ass."

^ If after reading all this (and this is just a small selection) you still think Michael was close to his family, you must be pretty naive. Sure, these conversations are old (early 1990s) but he speaks of evens that took place in the 1960s so if it bothered him so much still after 30 years, I doubt he changed his mind in recent years. Plus we know Jermaine recorded that awful song "supposedly" to get in touch with Michael again, and Janet saying on national television she hadn't seen Michael in years. That should tell you something.

My poor Michael..

 

[rainny]

It's like a mission to try and get the jackson family fans to turn on them but that will never happen with the majority of us fans we love michael jackson and the jackson family we want let these lies take our support away from the jackson family the brothers fan base have growned sense michael passing and is still growing many fans dont want to hear this hate brought on by lies we defened michael from these type of lies and we will defend the jackson family from these lies also.

Which lies?

 

[blueocean]

Not in public, no. But there are recorded phone conversations (like the Glenda tapes) where he definitely speaks bad about his family. And rightly so, may I add. Here's a few examples:

2.2
"Joseph used to beat us all the time and... (inaudible)dance… would.... He would, he would just ..get to me. And I bought into that, he was like, "Oh you put on a few pounds." (...) And being brought up with Joseph and stuff like that.. when we were rehearsing on 2300- where we used to live. It’s like, If I danced wrong, if I sang the wrong note, I'd get the hell beat out of me, I'd get thrown in the basement. (...) When I was little [Joseph told me] "You look so black, you don't look like my child. Your nose is so big" and this and that. They used to call me Big Nose and stuff. And instead of retaliating on them, I just did it with myself."

2.3
"Joseph always told Randy “you’re not good enough, you don’t have talent.” (...) And he knocked me down on the floor one time ‘cause we were rehearsing in our living room. I did something wrong. He knocked the MESS out of me. And we were supposed to perform somewhere the next day. And he knocked me down so hard, I lost my wind, I lost my wind, right? And I was just little...so I got up, I was so furious. They talk about me being conceited now, you know? I got up and I was crying and stuff. And I said, “Joseph, if you hit me again. I’m not performing!” And he left me alone. I said I’m not doing the show! He said, “don’t you know I will kick your MF ass!” And all this and that, and I got up, the wind was knocked out of me. And I said, you hit me again and I won’t perform. And he knew I was the star performer. (...) He used to scare us when we were little. When we were asleep and we had to get up early in the mornings. We had to have rehearsals before we went to school. God, and he banged on the windows and we looked out the windows and he had a monster mask on and “Mother, mother, mother, there’s a monster!” And we’d get in trouble for crying. (...) I seen my brothers, you know, when we were travelling and stuff and doing the circuit and all that. Joseph would be in another room messing with a girl and it was obvious they were having sex...I didn’t wanna tell mother, and Marlon and I didn’t wanna tell them but.. all my brothers kind of just… did the same thing (...) Glenda: And Jermaine, what is he doing? Michael: Oh GOD… I remember, like I told you before, when Marlon and I had to share a room with Jermaine and Bill was asleep. Jermaine would have girls up there all the time screwing and stuff. I always (said I’d never ??) Marlon said the same thing. I felt so guilty when we used to home from the circuit and stuff before we made it, you know we used to do the club circuits and stuff. I felt so guilty, and I just cried and Joseph choked me, almost broke my arm one day. But he was proud of it. It’s like, (Joseph’s voice) “Oh, this is what you should do, boy.” I mean, he didn’t say that but he was screwin’ women in the other room and stuff (...) Joseph would come home, so glad to see mother. It’d just make me sick. And then Jackie and everyone, they started doing that. I told this girl – Jackie saw her when we were on stage. I told this girl, I said, “Don’t go with Jackie.” He found out and he went backstage and stuff and I said, “Don’t go with him, please don’t go with him.” She’s like, “Why?” I said, “Please don’t go with him, he’s gonna hurt you.” So, she went. She met him. She was a virgin. And he had sex with her and stuff like that. And in the limo, we were in the limo. And they were gonna take this girl home. Like, I said, “Why did you do that? Why you didn’t just listen to me? Why did you do that? Why did you go with him?” And she was just crying. I said, “Did he hurt you?” and she said, “No. But he told me after we had sex that he never wanted to see me again.” I said, “why did you go with him? I told you backstage don’t go with him.”

2.5
Michael: Latoya’s saying all this and that, Latoya upsetting you
Glenda: I tell you Latoya and I went around and around
Michael: *laughing*
Glenda: God, I remember that and she said what do you want and I said, well what do you want? We want back and forth and then finally she said she told me what she said, she said “I want it to end” and I said, “Well, you’re not gonna get that, Latoya.” Funny, she wanted to meet us, she wanted us to meet-
Michael: I know! Her and her…
Glenda: *laughing*
Michael:….hit man, hit man boyfriend.
Glenda: Yeah *laughing*
Michael: I was going to say nigger

AND MY FAVOURITE (3.1):
"You have to act like all that stuff that happened with, with Joseph and stuff. It’s like we’re supposed to be the perfect family, you know, because they're putting your name out there and stuff and, uh, they’re supposed to you know, look good because it sells records and it attracts people (...) It’s like, “the Jackson family, they’re so wholesome” and we all took pictures together back in the Jackson 5 days with Motown and stuff like that. We were all so close and Joseph was, you know, Papa Joe”. You know. And then LaToya told the truth. They portray everything you know, because of publicity. “The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they’re so tight knit.” Tight knit , my ass."

^ If after reading all this (and this is just a small selection) you still think Michael was close to his family, you must be pretty naive. Sure, these conversations are old (early 1990s) but he speaks of evens that took place in the 1960s so if it bothered him so much still after 30 years, I doubt he changed his mind in recent years. Plus we know Jermaine recorded that awful song "supposedly" to get in touch with Michael again, and Janet saying on national television she hadn't seen Michael in years. That should tell you something.

Like I am saying no family is perfect and michael would not approve of this hatred of his family that's not what michael was about you are doing him no favors, by bringing up something negative he have said about member of his family thats his family, every family have had disagreements at some time are another that is not hate, and he is not bashing them. there is a difference. michael made it clear that he love his family even in This is It movie he called all his brother name and said he loved them. michael love for his family remain even if he was not always physically around them.

 

[StaceyMJ]

The bottomline is that this is a DISCUSSION board. Everyone does NOT have to AGREE about Michael's family. It is really quite pathetic that some people are more interested in protecting Michael's family than they are him. Why is it alright to agree with them that Michael was a so-called "addict" or that he was in "denial". I and others DON"T agree with that assessment. Why should fans be banned for NOT agreeing with what the Jackson family is saying? Btw, Michael would not agree with his family revealing things to the media about his PRIVATE life. They didn't do it while he was alive, why do it now that he was MURDERED? Again, I am tired of the EXCUSES that some people are giving for THEIR defense of Michael's family, and when others don't agree they are taken to task for that. Again, this is a DISCUSSION board in Michael's honor, not his family's honor.

I have ALWAYS been a fan and defender of the Jackson family;however, since Michael was MURDERED, they have shown a side that I have never seen. They are NOW willing to discuss Michael's PRIVATE life, when they wouldn't have dared to do that while he was alive. WHY NOW, of all times? There is absolutely no excuse or reason for Janet, Joe and others to do what they have said since Michael was murdered by Murray. If anything, they should have done the complete opposite and shut up. The ironic thing is that even radio DJ's who trashed Michael when he was alive are noticing the things that Joe, Janet and other family members are doing and saying since Michael's murder. They are wondering why this sudden rush to tell private things about Michael. I have NEVER, EVER heard a family do what the Jacksons have done when a loved one has passed/murdered; especially, the MOST FAMOUS PERSON IN THE WORLD-Michael Jackson. There are NO excuses, NONE!

Hi. *waves* If you have a problem with how staff run things round here then put it in a PM. Not sure if you're familiar with the rules, but just giving you a heads up.

The bitterness in here is really something. Sad, to say the least.

 

[twinklEE]

The bitterness in here is really something. Sad, to say the least.

People are bound to be bitter Stacey after 18 moths of publicly selling out and degrading Michael, the Jackson's are bound to encounter bitter feelings.
Whatever anger, bitter/ill feelings, hatred, they receive is due to their own actions and some just are tired of the countless excuses, and fronts, used to justify this kind of -beyond questionable- behavior (ur not doing that but others surely do).
I have seen a lot of Jackson Fam supporters, who now have come to the conclusion ,what these people do is just indefensible and inexcusable.
I think Katherine publicly making fun of Michael's appearance, especially the part of his body he was most sensitive about,- his nose,- along with her binding his minor children to a life long contract with a porn producer, has thrown a lot of fans over the edges. They have gotten a pass for the longest time, there is only this much a person can take.

Anyways I wish you a very Merry Christmas and a happy New Year in advance

 

[blueocean]

Which lies?

Fisrt I will say I dont like katherine business partners, but if katherine felt she need more money for what ever reason that's her business. its not to sell michael out thats his mother who michael respect the most in his family, like some fans been accusing her of selling michael out that is not true. and calling her greedy, then talk of rebbie cashing in on michael when rebbie has been performing on and off for sometime before michael passing, the jacksons reality show filming started january 2009 they were already signed to A&E channell and even after jodie there producer stated this, some fans still will lie and say they were cashing in on michael passing. and if you saw the show you will see certain scenes like the brothers on the phone with janet wishing her a happy birthday, janet birthday is in may, that's before june. and many more untruths on hear.

 

[blueocean]

The bottomline is that this is a DISCUSSION board. Everyone does NOT have to AGREE about Michael's family. It is really quite pathetic that some people are more interested in protecting Michael's family than they are him. Why is it alright to agree with them that Michael was a so-called "addict" or that he was in "denial". I and others DON"T agree with that assessment. Why should fans be banned for NOT agreeing with what the Jackson family is saying? Btw, Michael would not agree with his family revealing things to the media about his PRIVATE life. They didn't do it while he was alive, why do it now that he was MURDERED? Again, I am tired of the EXCUSES that some people are giving for THEIR defense of Michael's family, and when others don't agree they are taken to task for that. Again, this is a DISCUSSION board in Michael's honor, not his family's honor.

I have ALWAYS been a fan and defender of the Jackson family;however, since Michael was MURDERED, they have shown a side that I have never seen. They are NOW willing to discuss Michael's PRIVATE life, when they wouldn't have dared to do that while he was alive. WHY NOW, of all times? There is absolutely no excuse or reason for Janet, Joe and others to do what they have said since Michael was murdered by Murray. If anything, they should have done the complete opposite and shut up. The ironic thing is that even radio DJ's who trashed Michael when he was alive are noticing the things that Joe, Janet and other family members are doing and saying since Michael's murder. They are wondering why this sudden rush to tell private things about Michael. I have NEVER, EVER heard a family do what the Jacksons have done when a loved one has passed/murdered; especially, the MOST FAMOUS PERSON IN THE WORLD-Michael Jackson. There are NO excuses, NONE!

The jackson family are not putting michael down, there were responding to what they knew that michael had problems with prescription medication (drugs) not street drugs I am a fan of michael I get what they are saying all this will be the center of the trial when it start and these other doctors beside murray are investigated and the pharmacy they used. for me I call these doctor enablers and they should all be found guility. michael is still /was a wonderful man and no one in the jackson family is attacking michael you have got it wrong they love michael.

 

[xthunderx2]

IF this story is true,,,I sill just say ..I am NOT surprised.

 

[LindavG]

Like I am saying no family is perfect and michael would not approve of this hatred of his family that's not what michael was about you are doing him no favors, by bringing up something negative he have said about member of his family thats his family, every family have had disagreements at some time are another that is not hate, and he is not bashing them. there is a difference. michael made it clear that he love his family even in This is It movie he called all his brother name and said he loved them. michael love for his family remain even if he was not always physically around them.

I don't hate the Jackson family either and I don't support some of the hateful things that are said in this thread (like comparing Joe to Hitler, that is just outrageous). I even defended some of the Jackson family members (Jackie, Janet, Katherine) before when I felt they were attacked unfairly. I am merely responding to your claim that "Michael never spoke bad about his family" - which is not the same as 'bashing' btw - and showed you that he did.

I am sure Michael loved his family. Because they are family. That doesn't mean that he liked them, trusted them or stayed in touch with them. He wouldn't call them out in public because he was too kind and classy for that, but as you can see in my previous post he did complain about them privately. Sure, every family has disagreements but if you looked at this from a neutral perspective you would see how disfunctional (sp.) this family really is. Let's point out some facts:

1. Joe cheated on his wife and has an illegitimate child with another woman.
2. Joe physically and verbally abused his children.
3. Michael had to perform at strip clubs at the age of 5 - although his mother is a strict Jehova's Witness.
4. Randy and Jermain had kids with the same woman.
5. Jermaine got two women pregnant at the same time.
6. Randy is a convicted fraud and got Michael in big financial trouble.
7. La Toya accused her brother of paedophilia, her father of sexual abuse and her mother of trying to kill her.
8. Katherine binded her three young grandchildren to a contract with a porn producer.
9. Janet Jackson admitted on national television she hadn't seen her brother Michael for years, meaning she had never visited her baby nephew Michael jr. (who was then a toddler) either.
10. The family is heavily divided on several issues and chooses to fight its wars on Twitter, causing a division among Michael's fans.

All of the above FACTS make any comparison to a "normal family" useless. The Jacksons are not a normal family and the above mentioned facts are more than just "disagreements". They're enough to tear any family apart. I just can't believe the Jacksons are as close as they say they are and I will take Michael's word that they pretend to be tight-knit to protect their public image. Again, I'm sure Michael loved his family - being the loving person that he was - but he clearly distanced himself from his family in the last decades (and some family members publicly complained about that). I don't blame him.

 

[twinklEE]

The Joe worse than Hitler comment is surely overboard

 

[ButterfliesAreFree]

Hi. *waves* If you have a problem with how staff run things round here then put it in a PM. Not sure if you're familiar with the rules, but just giving you a heads up.

The bitterness in here is really something. Sad, to say the least.

Hi Stacy MJ. Thank you so much for the "heads up". I really appreciate the fact that you are gracious and respectful of other people's opinions. I have no problem with the way that this board is run and I don't think I have expressed anything that would suggest that. In fact, I give you props and kudos for how respectful you are. This board is GREAT and the staff, moderators do an EXCELLENT job.

Btw, it really IS sad that there is bitterness concerning Michael's family. However, all of it is justified. WE are not just pulling things out of the air or making these things up. It is already overwhelming that Michael was murdered and the murderer is walking around free. It is frustrating that Michael's own family doesn't seem to realize the way they are portraying him to the media and potential jurors. It baffles me and other fans that they don't seem to care what they say when speaking about him. Michael deserves SO MUCH MORE and so do his children. Again, thanks for the "heads up".

 

[Ashtanga]

:fear:

 

[144000]

I don't hate the Jackson family either and I don't support some of the hateful things that are said in this thread (like comparing Joe to Hitler, that is just outrageous). I even defended some of the Jackson family members (Jackie, Janet, Katherine) before when I felt they were attacked unfairly. I am merely responding to your claim that "Michael never spoke bad about his family" - which is not the same as 'bashing' btw - and showed you that he did.

I am sure Michael loved his family. Because they are family. That doesn't mean that he liked them, trusted them or stayed in touch with them. He wouldn't call them out in public because he was too kind and classy for that, but as you can see in my previous post he did complain about them privately. Sure, every family has disagreements but if you looked at this from a neutral perspective you would see how disfunctional (sp.) this family really is. Let's point out some facts:

1. Joe cheated on his wife and has an illegitimate child with another woman.
2. Joe physically and verbally abused his children.
3. Michael had to perform at strip clubs at the age of 5 - although his mother is a strict Jehova's Witness.
4. Randy and Jermain had kids with the same woman.
5. Jermaine got two women pregnant at the same time.
6. Randy is a convicted fraud and got Michael in big financial trouble.
7. La Toya accused her brother of paedophilia, her father of sexual abuse and her mother of trying to kill her.
8. Katherine binded her three young grandchildren to a contract with a porn producer.
9. Janet Jackson admitted on national television she hadn't seen her brother Michael for years, meaning she had never visited her baby nephew Michael jr. (who was then a toddler) either.
10. The family is heavily divided on several issues and chooses to fight its wars on Twitter, causing a division among Michael's fans.

All of the above FACTS make any comparison to a "normal family" useless. The Jacksons are not a normal family and the above mentioned facts are more than just "disagreements". They're enough to tear any family apart. I just can't believe the Jacksons are as close as they say they are and I will take Michael's word that they pretend to be tight-knit to protect their public image. Again, I'm sure Michael loved his family - being the loving person that he was - but he clearly distanced himself from his family in the last decades (and some family members publicly complained about that). I don't blame him.

no doubt a lot of those things are bad things, but to say there aren't a lot of families out there with dysfunction to this extent is false. that's where the term came from. there are some serious horror stories about a LOT of families out there...but this isn't enough for us to take it upon ourselves to tear the Jacksons apart. i know personally of families that are similar to these Jackson troubles..but, still..it's not enough for us to take God's place in dealing with these families..and it's true....whoever compared any of these family members to HItler is way off. i saw what Michael said about his family pretending to be close...and i believe him...but i'm not taking God's place in doing some type of 'clean up'. in the end..as you can see..the family still fights to stay together. they still appear on tv shows as husband and wife, and cousins and such..they're still a family..they still have strength. but they are a real family, with real family troubles. but not enough for us to tear them down and destroy them. that's not our place.

like i said..i know of some families personally, that are like this..even if money isn't an issue and part of the situation..but i know it's not enough for me to say that there needs to be an end put to this family.

the fact is, there are a lot of men, who are womanizers, like Joseph..but, when the balance is taken out in the end...i can think of some fathers that have been worse than Joseph..and some that are the same..and some better. but not enough to end Joseph's fatherhood to Michael. i've seen enough, in my life, to make that balanced comparison. i'm not going to hate for the sake of hate.

Michael was a really smart human being..and he never actually divorced himself from his father. i know, that if his father did enough to end his fatherhood to Michael, then, Michael would have divorced himself from his father. Michael was strong. so, since Michael didn't divorce himself..it's not my place to do it for him.

at the same time, i know of fathers who are worse, and whose sons have rightfully divorced themselves from their fathers.

for one..i can think of....the father who committed suicide, and was the father of Michael's first accuser. that father is so forgettable, i forgot his name. and even that father is not a father i hate..but, it is a father i have forgotten. a father who brought about his own consequences.

Joseph isn't like that father. Does Joseph need to reflect on himself? Yes. but he was still a better father than many i know of.

 

[ButterfliesAreFree]

The jackson family are not putting michael down, there were responding to what they knew that michael had problems with prescription medication (drugs) not street drugs I am a fan of michael I get what they are saying all this will be the center of the trial when it start and these other doctors beside murray are investigated and the pharmacy they used. for me I call these doctor enablers and they should all be found guility. michael is still /was a wonderful man and no one in the jackson family is attacking michael you have got it wrong they love michael.

IF they knew that Michael had problems with prescription drugs, WHY were Katherine, Joe, Janet and the brothers harrassing him to do a FAMILY tour? If he was that bad off, why didn't they force him to rehab? You know why, because he was NOT an addict. They know it as well as we do. You don't want an "addict" to do a tour, as Michael's family was badgering him to do. You can bet if Michael had agreed to do a tour with them, NONE of this "addict" talk would ever have been mentioned. Have you forgotten that the Jacksons released statements that refuted claims from the tabloids that their were interventions going on? Why go to the media and claim that Michael was an "addict" AFTER he was MURDERED? No other family in HISTORY has done what Michael's family has done-make the victim be the culprit and basically give the murderer a "pass: and call him the fall guy. What family does that? Can anyone think of ANYONE who has ever done that when a loved one was MURDERED? I can't and I am no "spring chicken".

 

[LindavG]

no doubt a lot of those things are bad things, but to say there aren't a lot of families out there with dysfunction to this extent is false. that's where the term came from. there are some serious horror stories about a LOT of families out there...

That's not what I said though. I said they weren't a normal family and these facts I mentioned were more than just "disagreements". That doesn't mean they're the only dysfunctional family in the world. I'm sure there are families out there who experienced even worse things like murder or incest or w/e.

My point is, there is loads of evidence to suggest that Michael was not close to his family. Not just his own statements and actions, but those of his family members as well. I don't know why this is so hard to accept for some people.

 

[144000]

That's not what I said though. I said they weren't a normal family and these facts I mentioned were more than just "disagreements". That doesn't mean they're the only dysfunctional family in the world. I'm sure there are families out there who experienced even worse things like murder or incest or w/e.

My point is, there is loads of evidence to suggest that Michael was not close to his family. Not just his own statements and actions, but those of his family members as well. I don't know why this is so hard to accept for some people.

i'm not one of the ones that says he was close to his family. but he still considered them his family.

i don't think there are too many people who are snowed into thinking this was the perfect family that was really close. we're just trying to ask for balance and to eliminate unabashed hate. and i'm not saying you are hating. i'm saying, we have to consider that, in general.

 

[OnOurWay]

and we know this to be true how???.....there is no proof of this being factual and as mike said himself 'just cuz you read it doesnt make it factual'

And some ppl still don't get it either. :lol:

 

[8701girl]

and her mother of trying to kill her. .

Woah! hold on a min...latoya said that bout mrs jackson? when?

 

[144000]

^^^and you're one of those people(On Our Way). while i don't espouse hate..i still stand by the fact that the family hasn't proven that they qualify to know the intricacies of Michael's life. i can seperate that from hating his family.

and you sound like you believe whatever certain family members say about Michael. there's no proof that them being family, guarantees they know about MJ, personally. You believe what you choose to believe that is on the tv screen, said by whatever family members you choose to believe, so that smacks of hypocrisy.

having asid that..i don't hate this family.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

I don't hate The Jackson family but all of them make sick, Michael didn't deserve to be around that crap the created and he didn't deserve to have such a father like that.
Too bad we can't choose our relatives!

 

[144000]

I don't hate The Jackson family but all of them make sick, Michael didn't deserve to be around that crap the created and he didn't deserve to have such a father like that.
Too bad we can't choose our relatives!

are you sure that wanting to have a different relative doesn't equate to hating the original relative?

 

[StacyJ]

I just wish that MJ had loving and supportive family and friends. If he had that I think he would still be with us today.. It is obvious that so many people around MJ didn't care about or love him. They only wanted money or fame by being associated with him. How is it that no one had no idea he had a sleep disorder other than some rogue doctors? how is that no one cared he was being knocked out unconscious nightly? how is it that he was losing weight drastically and no one said a word or did anything about it? How is it that his family assumed he had a drug problem yet they did absolutely nothing. They knew he was struggling financially, with the trial, with false allegations yet they did nothing. Did they check on him to see how was he doing?

I just find it odd that Mike's so called friends and family claim he had this big drug addiction after he died, yet not one of them did anything while he was alive to help him. If they can talk about it when he's dead, why not say something when he was still here and something could be done about it. Other than Mike's kids, I honestly don't think he had folks around him that really loved him. If he did there is no way they would've overlooked everything that was going on with him.