A little story about Joe Jackson

[pilinlim]

"He [Michael] couldn't even trust his father. During a stay in South Africa, Joe came up to Michael with two completely strange people to convince his son to buy a diamond for twenty millions. The diamond was fake, though. Joseph was basically trying to cheat his son out of millions."


From a Tarak Ben Amar interview given two days after Jackson's death. Amar is a long time partner of HRH Prince Al Waleed and worked for Michael from 96 to 97.

Credit goes to King of Pop Forum.


The horror of Joe never ceases to amaze me. However, in comparison to other stpries I've read about him, this is nothing.

 

[Soundmind]

won't be surpised if Katherine was asked to help convince MJ and she agreed for a cut , she was in South Africa at the time with MJ.

 

[ronia]

If this story is true than it is absolutly right from Michael to let his dad out of his will.

But do we know it is true?

 

[twinklEE]

Nothing surprises me anymore, there can't be much expected from such people.

 

[pilinlim]

As soon as I have time, I'm going to write that one story about Joe, Latoya and the scripts Michael got her. Remember that?

But there are millions and millions of monstruous stories about Joe.

A funny anedocte:

When asked about what they felt about having to share hell with Joseph Jackson, Hitler, Joseph Mengele and Pol Pot all replied: "That monster?"

 

[pilinlim]

won't be surpised if Katherine was asked to help convince MJ and she agreed for a cut , she was in South Africa at the time with MJ.

Katherine was and always will be Joe's right arm. If Joe asked her to kill MJ's three children so he could make money, she would do it within a blink of an eye. Katherine loved Michael...but she loved Joe more.

But I better stop here since, most likely, I'll get banned. In this forum, it's OK to demean MJ, invent excuses for the family while slandering Michael and so on...but don't you dare to criticize the family. The mods hate it, for some reason. Say something a little bit more realistic about Joe and you'll get banned. Say something a little bit less sugarcoated about Kate and you'll be outta here. Demean MJ but never his family members. Why? I'm still trying to figure that out.

 

[JMie]

sadly, I am not surprised.... poor Michael.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Katherine was and always will be Joe's right arm. If Joe asked her to kill MJ's three children so he could make money, she would do it within a blink of an eye. Katherine loved Michael...but she loved Joe more.

But I better stop here since, most likely, I'll get banned. In this forum, it's OK to demean MJ, invent excuses for the family while slandering Michael and so on...but don't you dare to criticize the family. The mods hate it, for some reason. Say something a little bit more realistic about Joe and you'll get banned. Say something a little bit less sugarcoated about Kate and you'll be outta here. Demean MJ but never his family members. Why? I'm still trying to figure that out.

pilinlim - in looking at the various threads relating to the actions of members of the Jackson family, you will find that staff members have voiced their disappointment and dismay. HOWEVER, what they want to guard against is the nasty villification of ANYONE - whether it be a Jackson or anyone else. Our rules and regulations ask us to be tolerant and respect each other. And that rule extends to how discuss other persons as well - respectfully disagree, without the name-calling.

Simple.

 

[pilinlim]

pilinlim - in looking at the various threads relating to the actions of members of the Jackson family, you will find that staff members have voiced their disappointment and dismay. HOWEVER, what they want to guard against is the nasty villification of ANYONE - whether it be a Jackson or anyone else. Our rules and regulations ask us to be tolerant and respect each other. And that rule extends to how discuss other persons as well - respectfully disagree, without the name-calling.

Simple.

Are jokes about sex addicted slave masters, bully exploiters and outright monsters out of limits?

In that case, I must edit my last post and start sugarcoating my future comments a little bit. I will not, by any means, call a person who spent his lifetime slave driving his own son an exploiter! I will not call a person who cheated on his wife with multiple women a day, everyday, a sex addict! I will not, I swear, call a person who spent his life doing things and schemes, on a daily basis, out of pure malice, greediness and selfishness to his own child a monster! Meanie me! I apologize for calling people by what they are and have to be called.
In case I forget, Randy is not an extortionist: he's a businessman who, sometimes, falls for temptations. And Joe is not, in any way, a psycopath: he's just a father who, like every other human being, made mistakes!

Poor family: always being attacked by fans! Is it because they're the first family of music? Is it because they're a dynasty?

 

[Ohood]

thanx for sharing,,,

everytime i remember how Janet was very angry at MJ when he refused to join her last tour, that Leonard Rowe had to take Michael away from the room becuase Janet and the other brothers were very mad that they may chock him ,,,then i saw Janet on Oprah saying that she was not able to reach Michael and that he was so drugged that she could not be in the room while interveting,,,,i feel so sick to the stomach ,,,how could she made up all these lies,,,,how could Kathrine gave Oprah Michael's pride and his three kids for money,,,,how could they give LMP approval to be in his funeral after all the poision she spewed at his image and name when he was alive and how Kathrine say that LMP loved MJ although the whole interview was filled with lies about leaving MJ becuase of his drugs although MJ was the one who cut her and left her ,,,,she said all of this in her songs " erasing your phone numers", and that she was not able to stop him from the bad things he may do and that he was able to molest since she was not in the room and now she and the Jacksons want to change the history and make MJ the monster they tried to save from himself !

liars liars liars !


this family make me sick ! all of them !

 

[pilinlim]

thanx for sharing,,,

everytime i remember how Janet was very angry at MJ when he refused to join her last tour, that Leonard Rowe had to take Michael away from the room becuase Janet and the other brothers were very mad that they may chock him ,,,then i saw Janet on Oprah saying that she was not able to reach Michael and that he was so drugged that she could not be in the room while interveting,,,,i feel so sick to the stomach ,,,how could she made up all these lies,,,,how could Kathrine gave Oprah Michael's pride and his three kids for money,,,,how could they give LMP approval to be in his funeral after all the poision she spewed at his image and name when he was alive and how Kathrine say that LMP loved MJ although the whole interview was filled with lies about leaving MJ becuase of his drugs although MJ was the one who cut her and left her ,,,,she said all of this in her songs " erasing your phone numers", and that she was not able to stop him from the bad things he may do and that he was able to molest since she was not in the room and now she and the Jacksons want to change the history and make MJ the monster they tried to save from himself !

liars liars liars !


this family make me sick ! all of them !

What you said is just the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

 

[rainny]

Hi,

thanx for sharing,,,

everytime i remember how Janet was very angry at MJ when he refused to join her last tour, that Leonard Rowe had to take Michael away from the room becuase Janet and the other brothers were very mad that they may chock him ,,,

Did Leonard say that?

 

[Angelofmj]

and we know this to be true how???.....there is no proof of this being factual and as mike said himself 'just cuz you read it doesnt make it factual'

 

[144000]

we still need proof. there's something in me that is balancing some of these stories with Joseph putting Michael in the direction toward his greatest potential, rather than telling him he has to pursue a vocation other than music,. a lot of parents don't steer their kids toward the kids' greatest potential. and that is selfish. there are many proven things about Joseph that are truly full of malice, toward Michael. but there's also steering MJ toward his potential. although i give credit to God for that.

in the end, though, we still need proof for every story.

 

[chanel05]

we still need proof. there's something in me that is balancing some of these stories with Joseph putting Michael in the direction toward his greatest potential, rather than telling him he has to pursue a vocation other than music,. a lot of parents don't steer their kids toward the kids' greatest potential. and that is selfish. there are many proven things about Joseph that are truly full of malice, toward Michael. but there's also steering MJ toward his potential. although i give credit to God for that.

in the end, though, we still need proof for every story.

yea i agree. n isnt it funny how they choose to believe loenard rowe when it fits their agenda? either he is credible or he isnt.

 

[chanel05]

n i find it funny that if you hate the jackson family sooooo much, why would you continously click on the 2300 Jackson Street forum and constantly post about them. if you hate them so much and think they are the scum of the earth then dont click on a froum dedicated to them. nobody is forcing any of you to post on here...

 

[Memefan]

As soon as I have time, I'm going to write that one story about Joe, Latoya and the scripts Michael got her. Remember that?

But there are millions and millions of monstruous stories about Joe.

A funny anedocte:

When asked about what they felt about having to share hell with Joseph Jackson, Hitler, Joseph Mengele and Pol Pot all replied: "That monster?"

Katherine was and always will be Joe's right arm. If Joe asked her to kill MJ's three children so he could make money, she would do it within a blink of an eye. Katherine loved Michael...but she loved Joe more.

But I better stop here since, most likely, I'll get banned. In this forum, it's OK to demean MJ, invent excuses for the family while slandering Michael and so on...but don't you dare to criticize the family. The mods hate it, for some reason. Say something a little bit more realistic about Joe and you'll get banned. Say something a little bit less sugarcoated about Kate and you'll be outta here. Demean MJ but never his family members. Why? I'm still trying to figure that out.

That's a bit much....don't you think.

Katherine has done many questionable things... i totally agree.

And i have lost all respect for her...i don't care how much MJ loved her. He was duped....time for all to admit it.

I am just glad that he is not around to witness all the mess she has been causing with his beloved kids.

But I won't go as far as calling Joe worst than Hitler...

A bit extreme....

 

[Memefan]

we still need proof. there's something in me that is balancing some of these stories with Joseph putting Michael in the direction toward his greatest potential, rather than telling him he has to pursue a vocation other than music,. a lot of parents don't steer their kids toward the kids' greatest potential. and that is selfish. there are many proven things about Joseph that are truly full of malice, toward Michael. but there's also steering MJ toward his potential. although i give credit to God for that.

in the end, though, we still need proof for every story.

:no:

Look for it yourself...

We are not here to spoon feed people.

Get to it...

“It is because the public are a mass -- inert, obtuse, and passive -- that they need to be shaken up from time to time so that we can tell from their bear-like grunts where they are -- and also where they stand. They are pretty harmless, in spite of their numbers, because they are fighting against intelligence.”

 

[pilinlim]

we still need proof. there's something in me that is balancing some of these stories with Joseph putting Michael in the direction toward his greatest potential, rather than telling him he has to pursue a vocation other than music,. a lot of parents don't steer their kids toward the kids' greatest potential. and that is selfish. there are many proven things about Joseph that are truly full of malice, toward Michael. but there's also steering MJ toward his potential. although i give credit to God for that.

in the end, though, we still need proof for every story.

More proof than what a guy who was with Michael for years said, two days after his passing? People are always willing to give Joe a pass. The day Murray gets out of the courtroom a free man, I want to read your excuses.

BTW, I think it's exactly the contrary of what you said. Joe put Michael in the direction towards his greatest potential for selfish reasons; he never wanted Michael to be the best, he wanted his son to be profitable for him. Joe put Michael in that direction so he (Joe) could become rich, have glory and fame, not because he wanted the best for his son. To sum up, Joe did that because he realized that was a way for him to lead an easy, lazy, billionaire, famous and glorious life not because he wanted Michael to become glorious.He did that because he realized his son could become a passport to a billionaire, dream lifestyle not because he was unselfish and wanted the best for Michael. Joe did that because he wanted the best for Joe and, as soon as he realized Michael had potential, used him as a passport. And that is why he "put Michael in the direction towards his greatest potential". He realized that, if he did that, he would become a millionaire, a celebrity and so on.

Joe wanted Michael to become rich, so he could leech off millions.
Joe wanted Michael to become famous so he could become a celebrity off of his son.
Joe wanted Michael to become glorious so he could take credit and become a glorious figure himself.
And that is why he put Michael "in the direction to his greatest potential"...so he could use him as a passport/puppet, not out of the best interests for his son.

Had Michael not let Joe profit off of him and he would attempt to destroy his son's career. He did indeed put Michael "in the direction" so he could have a dream lifestyle off of his son, not because he genuinely wanted the best for him. In fact, he didn' care about that.

Memefan; you clearly haven't read many stories regarding Joe, have you?

 

[Ohood]

yea i agree. n isnt it funny how they choose to believe loenard rowe when it fits their agenda? either he is credible or he isnt.

well, Joe Jacksons is still promoting this book all over the world....i'll believe the Jacksons' parts becuase they support the book , and they call it credible, and this is their choice!

but, as you said .... i'll never believe anything about MJ, in this book,, becuase i know that the Jacksons and their friends are liars and MJ hated the the most!!

and do not say what is the proof...go and check the net it is filled with them especially Michael Jackson speech ,interviews and tapes,,,their interviews and their songs and their books,,,please open your eyes since you choose to close them !

 

[Ohood]

More proof than what a guy who was with Michael for years said, two days after his passing? People are always willing to give Joe a pass. The day Murray gets out of the courtroom a free man, I want to read your excuses.

BTW, I think it's exactly the contrary of what you said. Joe put Michael in the direction towards his greatest potential for selfish reasons; he never wanted Michael to be the best, he wanted his son to be profitable for him. Joe put Michael in that direction so he could become rich, have glory and fame, not because he wanted the best for his son. To sum up, Joe did that because he realized that was a way for him to lead an easy, lazy, billionaire, famous and glorious life not because he wanted Michael to become glorious.He did that because he realized his son could become a passport to a billionaire, dream lifestyle not because he was unselfish and wanted the best for Michael. Joe did that because he wanted the best for Joe and, as soon as he realized Michael had potential, used him as a passport. And that is why he "put Michael in the direction towards his greatest potential". He realized that, if he did that, he would become a millionaire, a celebrity and so on.

Joe wanted Michael to become rich, so he could leech off millions.
Joe wanted Michael to become famous so he could become a celebrity off of his son.
Joe wanted Michael to become glorious so he could take credit and become a glorious figure himself.

Memefan; you clearly haven't read many stories regarding Joe, have you?

exactly,,,a father who beat his son to sing and dance even if the child is sick or scared...a father who awake the kid in the middle if the night to sign contacts that may hurt the kid's health...the father who never said to his son thank or you did good and never hugged him , a father who did not allow his kid to call him daddy...is not a real father ,all he wanted is money ! even Beyonce said this !

people are trying hard but it is not gonna work....in MJ song working day and night ,,,MJ said there is a scrach on my shoulder and in the autopsy ther was a big scar on his shoulder,,,and this is the scar MJ mentioned to Shamuly saying he will never forget the scar is still their!

this made me very emotional !

 

[twinklEE]

More proof than what a guy who was with Michael for years said, two days after his passing? People are always willing to give Joe a pass. The day Murray gets out of the courtroom a free man, I want to read your excuses.

BTW, I think it's exactly the contrary of what you said. Joe put Michael in the direction towards his greatest potential for selfish reasons; he never wanted Michael to be the best, he wanted his son to be profitable for him. Joe put Michael in that direction so he (Joe) could become rich, have glory and fame, not because he wanted the best for his son. To sum up, Joe did that because he realized that was a way for him to lead an easy, lazy, billionaire, famous and glorious life not because he wanted Michael to become glorious.He did that because he realized his son could become a passport to a billionaire, dream lifestyle not because he was unselfish and wanted the best for Michael. Joe did that because he wanted the best for Joe and, as soon as he realized Michael had potential, used him as a passport. And that is why he "put Michael in the direction towards his greatest potential". He realized that, if he did that, he would become a millionaire, a celebrity and so on.

Joe wanted Michael to become rich, so he could leech off millions.
Joe wanted Michael to become famous so he could become a celebrity off of his son.
Joe wanted Michael to become glorious so he could take credit and become a glorious figure himself.
And that is why he put Michael "in the direction to his greatest potential"...so he could use him as a passport/puppet, not out of the best interests for his son.

Had Michael not let Joe profit off of him and he would attempt to destroy his son's career. He did indeed put Michael "in the direction" so he could have a dream lifestyle off of his son, not because he genuinely wanted the best for him. In fact, he didn' care about that.

:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[StaceyMJ]

Katherine was and always will be Joe's right arm. If Joe asked her to kill MJ's three children so he could make money, she would do it within a blink of an eye. Katherine loved Michael...but she loved Joe more.

But I better stop here since, most likely, I'll get banned. In this forum, it's OK to demean MJ, invent excuses for the family while slandering Michael and so on...but don't you dare to criticize the family. The mods hate it, for some reason. Say something a little bit more realistic about Joe and you'll get banned. Say something a little bit less sugarcoated about Kate and you'll be outta here. Demean MJ but never his family members. Why? I'm still trying to figure that out.

Are jokes about sex addicted slave masters, bully exploiters and outright monsters out of limits?

In that case, I must edit my last post and start sugarcoating my future comments a little bit. I will not, by any means, call a person who spent his lifetime slave driving his own son an exploiter! I will not call a person who cheated on his wife with multiple women a day, everyday, a sex addict! I will not, I swear, call a person who spent his life doing things and schemes, on a daily basis, out of pure malice, greediness and selfishness to his own child a monster! Meanie me! I apologize for calling people by what they are and have to be called.
In case I forget, Randy is not an extortionist: he's a businessman who, sometimes, falls for temptations. And Joe is not, in any way, a psycopath: he's just a father who, like every other human being, made mistakes!

Poor family: always being attacked by fans! Is it because they're the first family of music? Is it because they're a dynasty?

Why are you trying to start something? No member of staff said anything to you, so why the rant? We just try to keep things decent around here, no crime or conspiracy to that.

That's a bit much....don't you think.

Katherine has done many questionable things... i totally agree.

And i have lost all respect for her...i don't care how much MJ loved her. He was duped....time for all to admit it.

I am just glad that he is not around to witness all the mess she has been causing with his beloved kids.

But I won't go as far as calling Joe worst than Hitler...

A bit extreme....

This, and that's as a human with regular human values, not as a mod with some strange sinister ulterior motive. Tone it down.

 

[144000]

:no:

Look for it yourself...

We are not here to spoon feed people.

Get to it...

just be careful, because the same measure you put out, could come back to you..

would you like people to put you on blast the way you put people on blast, for all time?

would you like for people to crush your mother and father the way you are crushing Michael's mother and father? it's one thing to blast the deed, and another to crush the person.

balance. and..indeed...look for proof. solid proof. not just hearsay.

what you are spoon feeding is the character assassination, outracing the proof.

 

[144000]

people may say Joseph Jackson had selfish motives. a lot of people do. Michael is an exception.
bottom line...Joseph steered MJ to music, rather than being a school teacher, or forcing him to work in a steel mill like Joseph did. and that's nothing against school teachers and steel mill workers. that's just to drive my point home. it's the better choice and certainly much better than the lesser of two evils to do to a child. and face it... a lot of envy rises out of people who didn't experience going in the direction they should have...envy toward MJ and his father for that action taken by his father. remember a scene from the movie 'dead poet's society'? a parent never allowed a son to express his poetic talent and the son's soul was crushed and the son shot himself dead, before he had a chance to see what he could do with his poetry. there is a lot of truth to that.

because Joseph made that ONE opposite decision..despite all the bad things Joseph did, he could not and did not stop Michael from making the world a better place through Michael's fullest potential.

it's the reason why i am on this site and you all are on this site today. it's unshakeable. i tried to shake it, but i can't. you can't, either...if you're honest about it.

 

[blueocean]

"He [Michael] couldn't even trust his father. During a stay in South Africa, Joe came up to Michael with two completely strange people to convince his son to buy a diamond for twenty millions. The diamond was fake, though. Joseph was basically trying to cheat his son out of millions."


From a Tarak Ben Amar interview given two days after Jackson's death. Amar is a long time partner of HRH Prince Al Waleed and worked for Michael from 96 to 97.

Credit goes to King of Pop Forum.


The horror of Joe never ceases to amaze me. However, in comparison to other stpries I've read about him, this is nothing.

This dont make any sense, saying joe came up to michael with two completely strange people to convince michael to buy a fake diamond from the strangers, joe would not recieve the money the stranger would. and how is joe trying to cheat michael when joe is not the one trying to sell the diamond in the first place?

 

[rainny]

remember a scene from the movie 'dead poet's society'? a parent never allowed a son to express his poetic talent and the son's soul was crushed and the son shot himself dead, before he had a chance to see what he could do with his poetry. there is a lot of truth to that.

because Joseph made that ONE opposite decision..despite all the bad things Joseph did, he could not and did not stop Michael from making the world a better place through Michael's fullest potential.

.

How come Joseph didn't encourage Latoya into college when that's what she

wanted to do? ....And didn't one of the brothers ( Jackie?) want to pursue

sports?

 

[Driver]

Sorry, but there is no reason for this story to be true any more then some
of the BS written about Michael is, I never have or will say a word against Michael's family. None of us have the right to judge or state that Katherine 'loved Joe more then Michael' how could you possibly know that, and worse say it as if it were a fact, that's tabloid behavior.

Merry Christmas to all the Jacksons and everyone on MJJC.

 

[pilinlim]

people may say Joseph Jackson had selfish motives. a lot of people do. Michael is an exception.
bottom line...Joseph steered MJ to music, rather than being a school teacher, or forcing him to work in a steel mill like Joseph did. and that's nothing against school teachers and steel mill workers. that's just to drive my point home. it's the better choice and certainly much better than the lesser of two evils to do to a child. and face it... a lot of envy rises out of people who didn't experience going in the direction they should have...envy toward MJ and his father for that action taken by his father. remember a scene from the movie 'dead poet's society'? a parent never allowed a son to express his poetic talent and the son's soul was crushed and the son shot himself dead, before he had a chance to see what he could do with his poetry. there is a lot of truth to that.

because Joseph made that ONE opposite decision..despite all the bad things Joseph did, he could not and did not stop Michael from making the world a better place through Michael's fullest potential.

it's the reason why i am on this site and you all are on this site today. it's unshakeable. i tried to shake it, but i can't. you can't, either...if you're honest about it.

In that case, how come Joe be so against Michael's solo career? How come Joseh tried to destroy Michael's business everytime he wasn't envolved (for example: TII)?
How come Joseph be so against Latoya and Jackie's dream of pursuing a career outside the music industry?

And the reason Joe steered Michael to music was a selfish one. But anyway, answer the above questions.

 

[Memefan]

just be careful, because the same measure you put out, could come back to you..

would you like people to put you on blast the way you put people on blast, for all time?

would you like for people to crush your mother and father the way you are crushing Michael's mother and father? it's one thing to blast the deed, and another to crush the person.

balance. and..indeed...look for proof. solid proof. not just hearsay.

what you are spoon feeding is the character assassination, outracing the proof.

Thank God my parents are nothing like those Jacksons...so no worry.

They worked hard for everything they got....and it did not come out of abusing their offsprings.