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Kenny Ortega Interview, Michael Jacksons This Is It

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MoviesOnline sat down to talk to with producer/director Kenny Ortega about his new film, the highly anticipated Michael Jackson’s THIS IS IT. The film offers Jackson fans and music lovers worldwide a rare, behind-the-scenes look at the performer as he developed, created and rehearsed for his sold-out concerts that would have taken place beginning this past summer in London’s O2 Arena.

Audiences will be given a privileged and private look at Jackson as he has never been seen before. In raw and candid detail, Michael Jackson’s THIS IS IT is the last documentation of Michael Jackson in action, capturing the singer, dancer, filmmaker, architect, creative genius, and great artist at work as he and his collaborators move toward their goals of London, the O2 and history.

Dubbed the Billion Dollar Maestro by Daily Variety, Kenny Ortega has conquered feature films, television, stage, concerts and massive live events such as the Olympics with equal excellent. As Michael Jackson’s director and creative partner on “This Is It” as well as the previous Jackson concert tours Dangerous and History, Ortega has been a friend, trusted colleague and collaborator of Michael Jackson’s for over 20 years.

The multiple Emmy Award winner famously directed and visualized Disney’s billion-dollar High School Musical franchise of films both for television and as a feature film. Ortega directed the Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus “Best of Both Worlds Tour” featuring The Jonas Bros. He also directed to tremendous praise the Opening and Closing Ceremonies for the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Kenny Ortega is a fabulous person and we really appreciated his time. Here’s what he had to tell us about his new film and his historic collaboration with Michael Jackson:

Q: Have you had any sleep?
KO: You know, I haven’t had any sleep for the last few months. I haven’t. During the rehearsals, I worked pretty late hours and then we did the memorial and then we started up on the film and the film was 14 hours a day, seven days a week, every week since we started and then we handed the movie over and it was like mixing. We just came back from 10 days out on the road starting in Chicago with Oprah and back here for the premiere. It’s just been an absolute whirlwind. Like the wind last night, I was like ‘nothing new to me.’

Q: Was syncing in post a nightmare?
KO: Not a nightmare. Fortunately, we had everything being recorded. We had our monitor guys. You know when Michael’s talking, when he’s going, ‘I’m not trying to be difficult. I realize you guys are trying to do your job but I’m having a problem. It’s like somebody sticking their fist in my head.’ He’s talking to the monitor guys who are over there recording everything. Not everything was recorded where we had separate stems. Some things were just in two track so we didn’t have the ability to bring Michael’s voice out as much as we would have liked to. We did our best and other times we had it as good as in a recording studio where you could pull it out and mix it so we were able to get a greater sort of mix. But everything you heard was happening right there in the room. That’s Michael’s band playing all that music. Those aren’t records. He wanted it like the records as he made very clear, but those were his singers singing live. That was his band playing live. That was Michael up there obviously. If anybody needed to put that concept to rest, I mean you saw him. He would just start to improvise and start to sing out of nothingness and suddenly the band kicked in and we were into a rehearsal. That’s how organic that process was for us.

Q: Had he ever done Jackson 5 songs as an adult before?
KO: Oh yeah. Since I’d started working with him which was back during Dangerous and HIStory and many one offs that we did, in Korea and Germany, many places, JFK Stadium in D.C., Michael loved to pay tribute to those years, to the songs and to his brothers more importantly.

Q: The rawness accentuates the fact that it was never meant to be seen.
KO: It wasn’t, it wasn’t. But also, we had three big chunks of footage that we worked with. You saw the big films that we incorporated into the storytelling. Those were 10 short films that Michael and I developed and produced together that were incorporated into the concert. So those were always intended to be a part of the concert. Those were made for the live show and ultimately down the line when we filmed the live show in London which was a plan, those would have been a part of that. Then we had the behind the scenes, interviews, the making of, because Michael had intended to film the concerts in London so he wanted to have a nice behind the scenes to be able to attach to that. So that’s where you got the dancers and band members talking and seeing the scenic shots. Then you had what I call the miracle footage which was the footage that we use. It was a tool for us to videotape the rehearsal so that we could at any time we wanted to go back and look at something and say, ‘Why don’t we open this up musically or you know what we should do here with the lights? Or why not bring the dancers out at this moment?’ That it offered us an opportunity to kind of after the fact step back, look at something and be able to make creative adjustments. We’d done that ever since we started working together. We didn’t always turn those cameras on and there were only two of them and sometimes one. You can imagine the complication of trying to tell a story and cut this movie together. There were times where I was on the floor banging and kicking and screaming because we didn’t design this to be shot as a film. We never planned it. There was no script. I didn’t say, ‘And now go in for the close-up and can we do one more take of that?’ That was never part of it.

Q: Were any musical numbers left out because the footage wasn’t there?
KO: Yeah, mm hmm, yeah. The day that Michael died, we were waiting for him to come in to block him into Dirty Diana, which was at the end of Dirty Diana, he stepped into an illusion and before your eyes went up in smoke and then suddenly appeared completely on the other side of the stage rising up on the cherry picker and out over to the audience for Beat It. He was really looking forward to it. The night before, he had said to me he was very happy. He saw the dream coming to life on the stage. The only thing he wanted me to say to anybody creatively, dancers, creative team was, ‘I love them. Everybody’s doing a great job. I love you, Kenny. I’ll see you tomorrow. Thank you.’ He left and we were invigorated. We came back that next day and we were all up on the stage really excited working with our illusion makers, working with our technicians. We had our aerialist, Danielle, on the stage and Tony Testa, one of our associate choreographers was standing in for Michael. It was just like we were getting everything ready for him to walk in and step into what was going to be one of his favorite days because he loved illusion. When we discovered that, in fact everything stopped.

Q: Did your Hocus Pocus background help reinvent Thriller?
KO: It didn’t hurt. It didn’t hurt but it also came from my background of loving Michael Jackson’s Thriller and being a huge fan of all of his short film work. But it was one of the first ideas that Michael and I talked about was let’s create a 3-D experience in an arena for the fans. Of course, people were like, ‘What?’ The technology, they were really racing to get it finished. We had the first HD 3-D screen up and we were creating these films. There were people that were not even sure it was going to work. When we first tested the 3-D on the screen in the arena, it was mind blowing. Then what we were planning on doing was Michael had all these other ideas. We had Michael Curry who designed The Lion King was one of our scenic designers and puppeteer designers. We had giant illuminated characters dropping out of the ceiling over the heads of the audience and these beautiful puppets that were coming down the aisles and moving out of the vomitoriums. Michael was so excited about it. He liked to call it a 4-D experience. So, you were going to have a 3-D movie, the cast on stage and then the smoke billowing off the edge of the stage into the audience and all of these elements dropping in over your head and your 3-D glasses on.

Q: Did you ever want to add something reflecting on the emotional background?
KO: You know, the only reason why I didn’t do it was because I didn’t want anyone to ever say that we fabricated anything. We didn’t. There is absolutely nothing in this film that wasn’t created from the time Michael Jackson announced that he was doing the concerts until the day that Michael died. We didn’t want to touch it. It was like I called it sacred final documentation and if we went back in to shoot the band or anything, then we left ourselves open to people going, ‘That really wasn’t how it happened. They tried to color it differently.’ However, in the DVD series, there is a tremendous, I would say, three to four hours of information that’s not in the film that comes again from that source, but also now post source. So that we did go back and now talked in hindsight about the experience of working with Michael and we completed some ideas that Michael had blessed and signed off on that we didn’t have quite finished by the time Michael had died. So you’re going to see an even sort of completer picture and come to understand more detail about all the elements of what we had planned for the show.

Q: How would you like Michael to be remembered as an artist and as a person?
KO: I think people were saying it last night. They were echoing everything that I felt in my heart. People coming up to me and saying, ‘We didn’t get it. We didn’t get the closure from CNN. We didn’t get to say goodbye properly from CNN.’ Not meaning that they were being irresponsible. It was just that the information wasn’t there and that people were saying that not only did we get to have these final moments with Michael as the artist, but we got to come to know him better than ever before as a man. You really came to appreciate his kindness and his sweetness and his generosity and the wonderful collaborative spirit that he was about and the way that he worked with people, never wanting to offend anyone. My God, if he thought that he embarrassed somebody, it would just knock him to his knees. That’s why you always saw him, even in the deepest frustrating moments for him, he would say, ‘With the love. That’s what the rehearsal’s for’ because he really appreciated us so much. He said to me, ‘Kenny, go out and find the best artists in the world. Invite them to come and join our journey and then let’s inspire them to go to places that they’ve never been before.’ So Michael knew who was in front of him and he had the greatest admiration and respect for everybody. Even if he had a little debate or a disagreement with someone, he never wanted it to get to the place where that person might have thought that he didn’t care for them or that he didn’t respect them.

Q: Shouldn’t he have done movie musicals?
KO: Yeah, we were going to do a couple of films. Before we even knew that we were going to do This Is It, Michael and I were already in the early development stages in talking about doing a Legs Diamond musical and a full length 3-D Thriller motion picture. Michael was not intending to resign from the business. He wasn’t retiring. However, this was what he was calling his final curtain call for live touring. What he thought was he’ll do the 50 shows in London and then he really said, ‘If it works and I still feel good and I still have the energy, I would love to go to Africa. I would love to go to India. I would love to go to Japan.’ Travis (Payne) and I saw it. Michael was intending to go out there with his children and see the whole rest of the world, share that experience with them, meet the fans, take one more grand bow and then he wanted to pull the plug on his live performing because he said, ‘I don’t want to be out there doing it when I can’t do it with the integrity that I’m known for. However, let’s make movies and great albums and develop projects together.’ So he was excited about so much. He had so much more in him still.

Q: What did you discover about Michael and yourself and your friendship doing this?
KO: Well, you know, Michael just gave me such trust. From the very moment that we began, it’s like he threw the clay in the middle of the table and he said, ‘Put your hands in it with me right now.’ He loved creative jousting with me. He loved it. He loved wrestling down ideas. Whatever stuck to the wall the next day, we didn’t even remember who came up with it. We so didn’t care. It was such a partnership. It was so easy, out of our ego, and it was so about what belonged in the storytelling. Michael had for a couple of years been entertained by so many people with ideas and he would call me every once in a while, we would have dinner, we’d talk on the telephone. He’d come to visit me on set and he’d say, ‘There’s nothing out there that has enough purpose behind it for me to want to do it,’ meaning in the live arena. He’d say, ‘Keep thinking.’ I was doing my films and suddenly I got this phone call, after two years of us talking about the possibility of maybe doing something live, and he said, ‘Kenny, this is it.’ I swear, that’s what he said. ‘This is it.’ Then during the conversation while we were talking, he said it like five times and I laughed and I said, ‘You should call the tour This is It because you keep saying it.’ What happened when we got together right after that was, before any conceptual ideas, he started talking to me about the reasons why, the reasons behind wanting to go out and do it. Here’s why we need to do this and now let’s create the show that gives worth to these reasons. That is what I’ll take with me. His sense of responsibility, that it wasn’t enough to just go out there because he could. It had to be important. It had to have worth. It had to have reason, raison d’etre as Gene Kelly used to say to me all the time. What’s the reason for being there that’s going to inspire me to get up every day and want to put on my costume and get on that stage and be Michael Jackson.

Q: How do you respond to theThis Is Not It website? Would you take legal action?
KO: I don’t. I mean, everybody, the way I look at it is they’re all fans. Everything is coming from a sense of loss. There are some fans out there that are just looking to sort of point at something, to point to the reason why we don’t have Michael anymore, put blame. All I would say is Michael didn’t live that way. That’s not the spirit of Michael Jackson. Michael didn’t assume. There were an awful lot of people though that did assume about Michael Jackson. They created scenarios and they speculated and even persecuted him and demoralized him. I would just say to anyone, if you don’t know what you’re talking about, if you weren’t there, if you don’t have the information, don’t put that information - - don’t. Don’t do it. See the movie. Look at the movie. The movie speaks for itself. It’s Michael. It’s Michael talking, Michael doing, Michael sharing. It’s pretty clear. It’s pretty honest. It’s pretty raw. It’s pretty unguarded. That Michael wanted to be there. He was doing this. This nourished him. It invigorated him. It excited him. He wanted to do this more than anything other than spend time with his children. This is what he wanted to do.

Q: What do you look for in artists to participate?
KO: Collaborators and people that are not afraid to go on a journey and get outside of their head and that are less concerned about an idea being theirs and more concerned about being a part of a team that arrives at something that’s special.

Q: What’s going on in High School Musical land?
KO: I’m not going to do High School Musical 4 but I hear that they might be doing an all new cast, all new.

Q: What happened to all the sets?
KO: All of it’s in storage. All of it’s in storage. Some of it is spectacular. Somehow maybe in the future we might be able to pull it all into some kind of idea. I don't know. I hope it’s not just going to sit behind closed doors.
“This is It” opens in theaters on October 28th.

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_17430.html
 
By Katey Rich: 2009-10-27 16:59:55

Even though he's an experienced film director, with High School Musical 3 and Newsies behind him, Kenny Ortega didn't start his last adventure with Michael Jackson with the camera in mind. He signed on as the director of "This Is It" with the intention of taking the entire show to London, and had cameras on hand during rehearsals to provide references points for himself and Jackson, as they worked with the rest of the crew to put together the best live concert imaginable.

Of course, nothing turned out as planned. After Jackson died on June 25, Ortega and his team were left with a production that would never go live, but also 80 hours of footage from the rehearsals and behind the scenes, documenting the final days of one of the world's most beloved musicians. It was clear that, in some way, the show could go on after all.

Tomorrow This Is It, a concert movie and documentary about those rehearsals in the Staples Center in Los Angeles, hits theaters nationwide. Last week we talked to Ortega about putting the film together without Jackson, where he was when he heard that Jackson had died, and what he learned about the King of Pop that none of his fans have ever been able to know. Check out our interview below.

You edited down a lot of material--we heard it was 200 hours-- to make this. Does that mean there will be a second film?
It wasn't two hundred hours. It was eighty. Most of that was film footage that Michael and I had produced for special content to appear in the concert. Part of it was behind the scenes, extensive interviews with everybody behind the scenes, the sets going up, the show being built and then part of it were these cameras that were capturing rehearsals. They might do an enhanced, a bigger version, an extended version someday but I do know that the DVD that's coming out next year has a tremendous, weighty additional footage. I've seen it and it's powerful and emotional and moving and fantastic. I would hope that does the trick, personally.

Can you tell us about your reaction when you found out Michael had died?
We were expecting Michael to come in that afternoon to rehearse with us and we were really excited. Michael and I had seen each other the night before. Our phones started going off and text messages and phone calls and 'Is it true? Have you heard? This station is saying that –' and for quite some time I just kept thinking to myself that the gardener could be going to the hospital, that anything could be happening. Knowing the media and the way that it works around Michael, I just didn't go there at all. I didn't allow it to be that. Then it got more intense and more intense and then eventually I got a phone call from my family and then some pretty well known journalists and then from the hospital itself, from one of our promoters who said, 'Michael in fact is here and it is Michael. We'll let you know when we know more.'

So all of us got together, the entire company stopped and we all came together and we put Michael into the circle and all of us just imagined him back with us and in good health and wanted to believe that the circumstances would end up bringing Michael back to us. Time stood still. I received a telephone call from one of our promoters that said Michael in fact had died. I made him repeat it three times because I thought that I was hearing voices. It didn't feel real. It was surreal. Then I said, 'You know what, I'm going to hang up and I'm going to call you back and if this is really you then you're going to answer the phone and then I'm going to know it's the truth.' I was helped into a dressing area and was really going through some kind of a shock. We called him back and he answered the phone and I said, 'Tell me something that only the two of us would know.' He said, 'Kenny, it's me. It's Paul. Stop it. Stop it. Michael's dead.' It just felt like everything inside of me, like a building collapsed, the foundation. Everything inside of me just collapsed like a bomb had dropped. It was surreal beyond things. It was dark and painful and everywhere I looked I just saw people holding each other up and falling to their knees. It was really horrible. No one expected it. As much as it has been said, as much as it's been said in these weeks, we as a family believed in our hearts and in our minds that we were going to London and this was happening.

How do you direct Michael Jackson? Can you say no to him?
You don't tell Michael no. You disagree. You don't ever have to criticize Michael. What you always get with Michael is an open mind and that's all he expects back from you. He would say to me, when he really believed in something that I wasn't on the same page with him about, he'd say, 'Please, please, just promise me that you'll keep it alive in your mind for five minutes. I know you'll come to agree with me.' I would say, 'Oh, you're wrong there, mister.' Michael loved that about our relationship. He called it creative jousting and he loved that. He rolled up his sleeves and we wrestled ideas and it didn't matter. I know that Michael kept inviting me back time and time again because I didn't just yes him, nor I did I boss him. We had a wonderful repartee. I know that Michael trusted me that I would get the work done. He would say to me, 'You build the house. I'll rock it down.'

How did This Is It begin?
He picked the phone up and called me. We had been talking for two years off and on. I'd say, 'What are you thinking?' He'd say, 'You know, it's not enough that you can do something. You have to do it. You must. We'll do it when it's right and we'll do it when I know that it's important enough that I must do it as opposed to it's just something that's out there that we can do.' He was being offered situations like Celine Dion had in Las Vegas and he'd say, 'I'd rather make a film. I don't see any reason to do that right now in my life.' So then I get this phone call and honest to God this is what he said to me; 'Kenny?' I said, 'Yes.' And he said, 'This is it.'

And that became the show?
Yeah, and he said that five times during the conversation. I said, 'You keep saying "This is It".' 'It is. This is going to be my final curtain call. This is it.' I said, 'You should just call the show that. It makes perfect sense.' As we went along over the weeks, everyday he'd say, 'This gives another meaning to "This is It". "This is It", a call to arms. We have to all realize how important it is to invest ourselves and pumping more love back into the world.' He just kept finding more and more and more reasons behind the titles of 'This is It' to nourish the fact that he was doing this and that it was important and that we must.

How much were you involved in directing the music of the film?
I'm all about improvisation. Michael was extraordinary at that. The way that I worked with Michael was that you just paid attention. He led the way. Michael would say, 'Stop,' and everyone would stop and there would be a collective holding of your breath, like [inhales] and he'd say, 'Watch me. Don't jump the gun. I'll lead you. I'm sizzling right now. Let me sizzle.' We'd say, 'Okay, okay. Everyone just let Michael sizzle.' That meant, 'I might want to work the moment. I might want to shake my shoulders. I might want to look over there, over there. I might want to take my time.' He was an expert at timing. He understood how to work an audience as good as any other entertainer that I have ever seen or worked with in my entire career.

Now you have to work without Michael being there. How do you do that?
I had to sort of call myself to attention and snap out of what I was going through emotionally to take on this responsibility and to continue forward with this journey in terms of now becoming the filmmaker. The one thing though that I did every single day, is I would say, 'Michael, boy do I need you to be with me today. Please, don't disappear.' I would walk into the editing room and Michael would be there with me, as would Travis Payne, as would Michael Bearden and then we'd all talk.

Michael talked about working on a move that was going to beat the Moonwalk into the ground. Did you ever see that move?
He was just starting to go to that place. Through his improvisational work, towards the last weeks of rehearsals you started seeing things coming out of Michael and you just went, 'What is that?'

Was there a particular move that he was tending towards?
He did this slow motion thing that he did in "Billie Jean" and in "Beat It," he started jumping up into the air. He looked like he was in slow motion, and when we were watching the film it looked like we had slowed him down. So he was playing with stuff. He was really working with it. The dancers who were less than half his age, I mean we're talking eighteen to twenty one year old dancers, twenty two year old dancers – Michael is fifty years old on that stage. These were eleven of five thousand seven hundred kids from all over the world that were the best dancers on the planet that we had picked to be on the show and they were brought to their knees watching Michael Jackson during the rehearsal.

What's it going to be like to work after this?
I don't know what the future is going to be like, not getting the phone calls, not hearing the new ideas, not getting the invitations. Handing the movie off at the beginning of October and saying, 'Here –' was the hardest thing that I've ever had to do. It really was like giving a child away. That was the first time that I was taken aback, realizing that this was really the end of something. Now it's just about how do we turn this all around and make it mean something and make it worth something, keep his messages alive, do the work that he is no longer here to do and hopefully this film helps a little bit.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Interview-This-Is-It-Director-Kenny-Ortega-On-His-Last-Work-With-MJ-15418.html
 
A good read. I like Kenny Ortega for what he has done. Michael respected him a lot too.
 
It always makes me cry when someone tells me their story of how they found out. It just really takes me back to how I found out and how I felt.. :cry:
 
Wow those were great Interviews.
Kenny paints such a vivid loving picture of Michael
and his visions for TII - and beyond. I dont thnk anyone
could have been a better director for the concert the movie
and spokes person. Its very clear he respected Michael and
loved him and was very proud to work with him on this project.

I still havent seen TII _not untill the 4th and I cant wait.
When I do I will also think about how much love kenny put
into this film for Michael, his children and fans.
 
Oh Wendy! I wanted to give you rep points for these, but I've already given you some this week because you always have such epic posts! Thank you for these.

All day today I have just been thinking that he needed more time... he just needed more time.
 
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It brought tears to my eyes. It was obvious that Michael loved Kenny. In the movie TII Michael hugged him for a long tome and very closely..
This makes me more sad. I could just imagine the dancers. They loved Michael so much. I hope good things happen to them in the future. I am quite sure Michael Blessed them..
Aww! what a sad moment in history.
Like Michael said. Every day make your History, but he changed it forever.
 
Thanks so much for shrings these quite insightful and touching interviews. It is clear that Kenny, along with travis & beardon, did their best to honor MJ's dream. And they did it with L.O.V.E.
 
It brought tears to my eyes. It was obvious that Michael loved Kenny. In the movie TII Michael hugged him for a long tome and very closely..
This makes me more sad. I could just imagine the dancers. They loved Michael so much. I hope good things happen to them in the future. I am quite sure Michael Blessed them..
Aww! what a sad moment in history.
Like Michael said. Every day make your History, but he changed it forever.

I believe cast for TII was blessed too.........they worked their hearts out for him...............thanks Kenny for putting this movie out..
 
Aww it made me cry reading this :cry:. But it was a wonderful interview overall. Kenny Ortega seems like a good guy and I think he really did care about Michael and the feeling was mutual i'm sure. Thank u for posting.
 
Thanks for posting. I am so glad that Michael was working with Kenny on TII. It is obvious that he respected and admired Michael and yet was not intimidated by him. I think that is what Michael always wanted from his colaborators. Also obvious that Kenny loved him and that they were good friends. Kenny has done right by Michael.
 
Thanks for posting wendy2004. :)

Kenny is always so vivid, detailed, and emotional when talking about Michael. I had tears in my eyes during some parts, especially the last question of the second interview of how he would he go on from here and Kenny said that when he handed the movie over it was an end of an era for him. How true for all of us!
 
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