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Xscape chart positions. (incl. singles)

FarouqJackson said:
Yeah I didn't even see billboards article till after I posted. But wooooooooow im so heartbroken. What a kick in the groin. Shamon for god sakes US you guys SUCK!!!!. I cannot believe with all the promotion the hologram and everything and still they couldint hit #1. Call me crazy , but couldint black keys just get people from there camp to go out and buy 100s of albums? Therefore giving them #1 and also adding to future sales. Because when people find out an album has gone to #1 it usually generates more sales especially since it a black keys first #1. Im actually a little depressed right now. Coldplay coming in next week and the majority of the promotion for mj album is over I think its safe to say Xscape I sent going to #1 in the US and is probably gonna fall off the face of the earth seeing as Michael Jackson Is not here to promote it with ground breaking music videos , world tours, public appearances, etc. This is truly a dark day. For me personally it went from very excited and soooo happy and anxious about this album , to really not caring as much now that we've had the album for weeks and played it a million times had a hologram and getting to #2 after all that. There is really nothing to look forward too. Except sit back. Sorry if i sound like a broken record , im just very passionate because Michael always wanted to get the top spot. If he didn't hit #1 with this album of good music and great promotion its pretty much guaranteed this the last big project we will ever see from Michael Jackson posthumously to have a chance at #1. GOT DANG IT!! Im sooo sad and empty
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Hey- unless you're from the US, watch it :lol:
 
FarouqJackson said:
Yeah I didn't even see billboards article till after I posted. But wooooooooow im so heartbroken. What a kick in the groin. Shamon for god sakes US you guys SUCK!!!!. I cannot believe with all the promotion the hologram and everything and still they couldint hit #1. Call me crazy , but couldint black keys just get people from there camp to go out and buy 100s of albums? Therefore giving them #1 and also adding to future sales. Because when people find out an album has gone to #1 it usually generates more sales especially since it a black keys first #1. Im actually a little depressed right now. Coldplay coming in next week and the majority of the promotion for mj album is over I think its safe to say Xscape I sent going to #1 in the US and is probably gonna fall off the face of the earth seeing as Michael Jackson Is not here to promote it with ground breaking music videos , world tours, public appearances, etc. This is truly a dark day. For me personally it went from very excited and soooo happy and anxious about this album , to really not caring as much now that we've had the album for weeks and played it a million times had a hologram and getting to #2 after all that. There is really nothing to look forward too. Except sit back. Sorry if i sound like a broken record , im just very passionate because Michael always wanted to get the top spot. If he didn't hit #1 with this album of good music and great promotion its pretty much guaranteed this the last big project we will ever see from Michael Jackson posthumously to have a chance at #1. GOT DANG IT!! Im sooo sad and empty
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Oh please, don't be overdramatic. Some of you act like being #2 with a posthumus album is such a tragedy.
 
respect77;4011049 said:
How can there be such a big difference between the digital songs chart and Hot 100? I mean most song sales come from digital sales now, it's not like lots of people buy CD singles these days. I know streaming and radio play counts on the Hot 100 as well but it's been streaming well (the video has over 11 million views, the audio JT version almost 10 million, the audio solo version 1.7 million views. That's almost 23 million for streaming). Also the radio play updates looked good. So I don't buy it's #23. I think whoever said it's #23 just took the info from the article that it's down one place and combined it with the fact that it was #22 last week on the Hot 100. I would be very surprised if it was only #23 with that good sales, good streaming and good radio play.
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I think you’re right, that’s probably where the 23 number comes from. I still can’t find any source for it, and besides, normally BB only publishes the top 10 on Wednesday, and the rest of the chart on Thursday.

Well, that’s good then. I’m still hoping for a new peak for LNFSG on this week’s chart.
 
kreen said:
Chart positions mean absolutely nothing, except as silly bragging rights for fans : "yeah, we're number one, you other guys suck!" They're especially meaningless when the album is relased when there isn't much competition.

What matters is sales. And Xscape is not getting particularly good sales. It sold considerably less copies in its first week than the Michael album in 2010.
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You keep going on about that, yet you fail to acknowledge two facts: 1) Michael was released during Christmas period when sales are generally a lot bigger because people buy albums for Christmas etc, 2) General record sales went down massively since 2010. Plus, the Michael album itself is one of the reasons why the public became even more sceptical of posthumus MJ releases.
 
So he's not #1 in the US. I'm disappointed too- but oh well. He has the #1 album ON THE PLANET. That's still worth celebrating.

And, as many have already pointed out, you can't compare Xscape to Michael. Not only because of the buying season, but in the last 3 1/2 years, the music industry has changed dramatically. There are now more free streaming music services (Pandora, Spotify, iHeartRadio, etc.) which means fewer and fewer people out buying physical copies of albums. Yes Justin, Pharrell, Coldplay, etc. still incredibly well but that all comes back to us, the fans. Buzz said it on the last page (or maybe a couple pages ago)... it's on us, really. We want to blame somebody else, but really, the general public just didn't buy the album. Even with all the publicity it got. And why? Who knows. There could be a million reasons.
 
Watching / listening to XSCAPE on youtube ? lol.. Sorry but it is the truth. I asked the same question in 2001. I heard silence.
 
Sunwalker7 said:
Why? LNFSG has only been out for two weeks, and so far it's doing good. It's selling well and its airplay increases every day.
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More bad news:

M. JACKSON & J. TIMBERLAKE - Love Never Felt So Good: 35.741 (+ 0.905)


First time since it premiered, Airplay has gone signification down. POP is totally ignoring the song.
 
Michael claimed his 10th UK Number One Here, and fans are complaining because it sold just over 157000 in the USA? how's that disappointing? The UK is definitely a major market to promote into.. fans shouldn't be disappointed, Michael is riding high in the musical industry right now. Hope we can get figures from all over the world and add the numbers together, could anyone contact the estate?
 
Spyce said:
Yes Justin, Pharrell, Coldplay, etc. still incredibly well but that all comes back to us, the fans.
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Pharrell's latest album:

In the United States, the album debuted at number two on the Billboard 200, selling 113,000 copies.[SUP][40][/SUP] In its second week the album dropped to number five on that chart, selling 45,000 more copies.[SUP][41][/SUP]
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The album debuted at number one on the UK Albums Chart on March 9, 2014. With first-week sales of over 70,000 copies,
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Xscape surpassed Pharrell's latest album on both charts.

It's just MJ fans being overdramatic here beuause Xscape didn't become #1. Its sales are not bad at all, even compared to many current artists.
 
respect77 said:
You keep going on about that, yet you fail to acknowledge two facts: 1) Michael was released during Christmas period when sales are generally a lot bigger because people buy albums for Christmas etc, 2) General record sales went down massively since 2010. Plus, the Michael album itself is one of the reasons why the public became even more sceptical of posthumus MJ releases.
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The fact that Xscape was finally done according to fans' specifications (with original demos, etc.), the fact it had a duet with a red-hot star, the fact it had good promotion, the fact it was produced by a major producer -- all of that was supposed to more than compensate for the Spring release. And global music sales have not gone down by 25 % since 2010. Regarding "Michael", only hard-core fans were ever left disappointed by it : the casual buying public either bought it and enjoyed it for a while, and then forgot about it, or never bothered with it in the first place. And those hard-core fans were precisely the ones that were supposed to come back in droves now that Xscape was a quality product.

I personally wish the sales had been stronger, and I think it's a quality product myself, but these results should put to rest the idea that, if only the Estate followed the fans' instructions, a new MJ album could sell millions.

Bad 25 was already a strong indication that we're overestimating both our numbers and our influence. This is confirmation.
 
respect77 said:
Pharrell's latest album:

Xscape surpassed Pharrell's latest album on both charts.

It's just MJ fans being overdramatic here beuause Xscape didn't become #1. Its sales are not bad at all, even compared to many current artists.
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Ah. I've seen him on iTunes and the Billboard Chart a good bit recently so I thought he managed to sell pretty well. And I'm with you, 157K is nothing at all to scoff at. Not by today's standards anyhow.
 
Thanks respect.

I am sure you agree Pharell also deserves success. I think it was overmarketing of the single HAPPY and not the album.

With XSCAPE, they marketed both the album and single through all media channels internet advertising, youtube, websites, even Cirque shows.

With XSCAPE, fans had to do research if they were on the fence about buying it. I guess they were too busy for that.
 
kreen said:
Bad 25 was already a strong indication that we're overestimating both our numbers and our influence. This is confirmation.
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What was wrong with Bad 25? I always see people talking it down, but I have it and I rather like it. I especially love the French version of "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" (Je Ne Veux Pas La Fin De Nous)- hearing Michael sing in French... oh my! :lol:
 
I dont think we should trash american fans/public and saying "they suck" or whatever. Thats not nice since we have many of them here and they did their best to promote the album. I agree it would've been nice for MJ have that position on the charts since its his home country and that it would be nice to feel some love from the US but it is what it is now. I agree that longevity and sales is what we should focus on now.

Thanks to all the US fans that fought hard to get MJ to #1.

Shoutout to Petrarose (you are a rock!!), Earthlyme and Memefan... sorry if I forgot to mention anyone.
 
But it was only shot for Michael to get another number one and to make some noise about it instead to go back the allegations BS. Now all anti Xscape forces (including the family and their followers) will have a field day. It's very, very sad.
 
Spyce said:
What was wrong with Bad 25? I always see people talking it down, but I have it and I rather like it. I especially love the French version of "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" (Je Ne Veux Pas La Fin De Nous)- hearing Michael sing in French... oh my! :lol:
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I'd like to know that, too. I thought it was handed really well; the bonus CD, the live album, the live DVD, and the documentary.
 
kreen said:
The fact that Xscape was finally done according to fans' specifications (with original demos, etc.), the fact it had a duet with a red-hot star, the fact it had good promotion, the fact it was produced by a major producer -- all of that was supposed to more than compensate for the Spring release. And global music sales have not gone down by 25 % since 2010. Regarding "Michael", only hard-core fans were ever left disappointed by it : the casual buying public either bought it and enjoyed it for a while, and then forgot about it, or never bothered with it in the first place. And those hard-core fans were precisely the ones that were supposed to come back in droves now that Xscape was a quality product.

I personally wish the sales had been stronger, and I think it's a quality product myself, but these results should put to rest the idea that, if only the Estate followed the fans' instructions, a new MJ album could sell millions.

Bad 25 was already a strong indication that we're overestimating both our numbers and our influence. This is confirmation.
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No matter how you try to play down this very important factor but it's a fact you cannot compare a Christmas market in 2010 to a Spring market in 2014.

Fans were never in unity about what direction to go, there are always big debates about that here and elsewhere, so to say "fans" (as in generally) wanted this or that is a fallacy. I think the only factor with that the Estate took fans wishes into consideration was the inclusion of the demos. The JT duet and the employment of major producers wasn't done because fans wanted it - it was to appeal to the general public, obviously.

And the Xscape campaign is not over yet. We will see how well it compares eventually to Michael.
 
Spyce said:
What was wrong with Bad 25? I always see people talking it down, but I have it and I rather like it. I especially love the French version of "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" (Je Ne Veux Pas La Fin De Nous)- hearing Michael sing in French... oh my! :lol:
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kreen is absolutely right. Only way to improve the sales numbers right now is trying to reach for the new generations of fans. Estate has to do what they can to achieve this goal.
 
Vici said:
I dont think we should trash american fans/public and saying "they suck" or whatever. Thats not nice since we have many of them here and they did their best to promote the album. I agree it would've been nice for MJ have that position on the charts since its his home country and that it would be nice to feel some love from the US but it is what it is now. I agree that longevity and sales is what we should focus on now.

Thanks to all the US fans that fought hard to get MJ to #1.

Shoutout to Petrarose (you are a rock!!), Earthlyme and Memefan... sorry if I forgot to mention anyone.
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And considering one American is a staff member :lol:


Warszawa320 said:
But it was only shot for Michael to get another number one and to make some noise about it instead to go back the allegations BS. Now all anti Xscape forces (including the family and their followers) will have a field day. It's very, very sad.
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I doubt that. Just because his album is #2 that means.... wait. I don't even see how one has to do with the other.


ShipOfFools said:
I'd like to know that, too. I thought it was handed really well; the bonus CD, the live album, the live DVD, and the documentary.
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I loved the documentary. Don't know that I necessarily agree with everything everyone interviewed had to say, but it was done tastefully and respectfully. And I loved how Siedah Garret spoke about writing "Man In The Mirror". I think of that clip now whenever I hear that song.
 
OnirMJ said:
Extremely poor quality VHS. All other stuff was great. That VHS should have remained at the vaults FOREVER.
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agreed, considering they have full shows in high definition in there archive.. but here ain't the place to discuss it.
 
Quote respect77:

Pharrell's latest album:

In the United States, the album debuted at number two on the Billboard 200, selling 113,000 copies.[40] In its second week the album dropped to number five on that chart, selling 45,000 more copies.[41]

The album debuted at number one on the UK Albums Chart on March 9, 2014. With first-week sales of over 70,000 copies,
Xscape surpassed Pharrell's latest album on both charts.

It's just MJ fans being overdramatic here beuause Xscape didn't become #1. Its sales are not bad at all, even compared to many current artists.


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Thankyou for this information about the Pharell-album.
Yes I think fans are really overdramatic because it is only place 2. If MJ hat the number 1 spot with only 500 albums in lead fans would be over-entusiatic despite the facst the the total number were not really a big difference.
 
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