Who Started It?

Here is a time line:

- Summer of 2005, MJ left the U.S leaving Randy in charge of his financial empire.

- Late 2006 and at the beginning of 2007 lawsuits being filed against MJ left and right, Miky Pharmacy claimed they were not paid during the period from May 2005 till December 2006 , they said MJ had a contract with them to pay for more than 50 individuals( MJ was abroad during that period), ofcourse the media said those 50 names were all aliases LOL they were actually his employees at Neverland. The state of California also ordered MJ to pay thousands of dollars as fine due to his failure for months to pay the health insurance covering his Neverland employees , again we are talking about late 2006 when MJ was still abroad and Randy incharge. A furniture company also filed lawsuit claiming they were not paid during that period.

- MJ came back on December,25, 2006. A few days later he filed a lawsuit against the team of accountants and mangers hired by Randy during the trial. He claimed they signed deals on his behalf without his knowledge, they stole ANNUALLY $2.5 millions dollar from his accounts, there were no records of where & how that huge amount was spent, the money simply disappeared, they did not pay his bills and failed to pay his employees salaries.Missing from the lawsuit was Randy's name ofcourse . The lawyers countered sued and the judge threw their claims out.

. Rumours spread; MJ owing his younger brother Randy almost $ 1 million ( suuuuure he was not even willing to pay for his own kids ) Randy threatening he will sue him, the fans believed it was just meritless rumours and Randy would not do such a thing, Oxman also filed his own lawsuit accusing MJ of cheating him out of $ 1.5 millions, the lawsuit was thrown.

- The siblings EXCEPT Randy ( pissed & busy trying to figure how to cover his ass )hired Leonrad Rowe in March ,2007 to prepare for the family reunion, that's two months since MJ came back to the U.S. They tried to contact him but he declined , still fresh in his mind the mess Jermaine got him into in Bahrain and what Randy did to him. He figured the family was trying to reach him in desperate attempt to convince him to drop the lawsuit against the accountants hired by Randy, Randy's name would be brought up sooner or later in the lawsuit and Mother Katherine's heart would be broken *sigh*

- In July 2007,MJ's sworn statement surfaced in which he blamed Randy for trying to force him to sell his share in the ATV/Sony catalogue.

- Randy tried to broke into MJ's house and force him to drop the lawsuit, when his efforts failed he threatened he would go to the media.

- Roger Friedman was the mouthspeaker, he wrote everything Randy fed him, he could not prove he did not steal from MJ, the best strategy was to convince his mother ,siblings and the very willing to believe public that MJ was heavily addicted and his accusations should have been ignored . He needed Kathrine's blessings and support so he had to blame someone other than Mike for the addiction, as we know katherine's boys do no wrong including Mike, he blamed Grace and Raymone.

- Katherine, Marlon, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Latoya and Rebbie signed a statement denying any intervention took place, missing were joe, Randy and Janet.

-Rowe was still talking of the family reunion, MJ issued a statement wishing his siblings the best and denying he would participate in any upcoming family event.

- May, 2008 MJ settled with the accountants.

-February, 2009 the family was shopping a reality TV show, everyone in Hollywood turned them down.

- March ,2009 MJ announced the This is it concerts , everyone was interested in everything MJ , the man had just sold 1 million tickets in four hours ,the brothers felt it was the right time to try their luck with their tv show , AGIAN everyone turned them down. That was in May, days later an article quoting Tito expressing his worries about MJ, telling friends he would not be able to do the shows due to his heavy addiction and we all know what Joe and Rowe did after they were sacked by him.


Conclusion: Convincing the rest of the family that MJ was on drugs was the solution Randy found to cover up his ass, especially since MJ was not the type who would come and confront u, he would hide and cut any contact with u. Deep inside everyone was willing to believe Randy , all of them were struggling financially and their brother was signing deals for hundreds of millions of dollars. You could only imagine how did they feel all of them with no exception when he sold out 50 concerts within four hours and they could not even get one tv to air a one-hour show on them. The frustration & anger toward him ;if he agreed to appear for one minute in their reality tv show, they would have got a deal, he denied them even that.

It was very easy to blame it on drugs than to accept the hard reality, or should I say their egos could not allow them to admit publicly their greedy ways was the real reason he did not want to do anything with them anymore. Compared to him they are losers on every level, they know it very well but hope their kids, wives, and the public don't ," hey at least we are not addicts":smilerolleyes:

And of course, the "he was a drug addict" story is great for the family, mainly Joe and Randy. Claiming he was a druggie is the only way these two have of shifting the blame of his death to AEG so they can sue it and get an enormous payday. Get why Rowe, Oxman and Joe are everywhere, 24/7, calling MJ an unhealthy, frail looking drug addict? That's the only way they have to create a lawsuit against AEG which is what they have been wanting since Rowe and Joe were told to get lost in June-2009.
 
im a little new on the subject, but is there prove out michaels mounth that he had a problem with his family? Because if so his children would also not seen them, and they live now with them, so isnt that strange?

I thought Janet and michael were close, also with his mom, so why not see them in two years? the children look close to them?

Also alot of storys are in the world, most of them are storys about storys, so what are the facts in this?

the whole fam suported him in 2005, so why be mad at all of them? for me it doesnt make sence..

also grace whats her story? maybe the children now the facts..
 
We don't know anything about Michael's relationship with his family. Many fans guess he had some kind of problem with his family. However, we are not privy to anything between Michael and his family, so whatever ppl say here it can only taken as a guess!
 
And of course, the "he was a drug addict" story is great for the family, mainly Joe and Randy. Claiming he was a druggie is the only way these two have of shifting the blame of his death to AEG so they can sue it and get an enormous payday. Get why Rowe, Oxman and Joe are everywhere, 24/7, calling MJ an unhealthy, frail looking drug addict? That's the only way they have to create a lawsuit against AEG which is what they have been wanting since Rowe and Joe were told to get lost in June-2009.

exactly theres a method in the madness for these ppl.
 
We don't know anything about Michael's relationship with his family. Many fans guess he had some kind of problem with his family. However, we are not privy to anything between Michael and his family, so whatever ppl say here it can only taken as a guess!

ok so its not a fact orso.. because he is always speaking loving about his fam, and they seems to be there right then in the hospital and the children went with there grandma.. so i hope the problems that are spoken here are storys that are ruming around in the world,

i hope that really...
 
theres enough evidence over the years to suggest they werent the waltons. in the words of mjs himself *tight nit family my ass*
 
im a little new on the subject, but is there prove out michaels mounth that he had a problem with his family? Because if so his children would also not seen them, and they live now with them, so isnt that strange?

I thought Janet and michael were close, also with his mom, so why not see them in two years? the children look close to them?

Also alot of storys are in the world, most of them are storys about storys, so what are the facts in this?

the whole fam suported him in 2005, so why be mad at all of them? for me it doesnt make sence..

also grace whats her story? maybe the children now the facts..

I remember Katherine said ( in Oprah, I think..) that she did not know the children so well before they came to live with her. I don"t think they were spending much time there before 25.6.
Michael probably had his reasons. You may love your family and not aprove some things at the same time.
 
I remember Katherine said ( in Oprah, I think..) that she did not know the children so well before they came to live with her. I don"t think they were spending much time there before 25.6.
Michael probably had his reasons. You may love your family and not aprove some things at the same time.

To my knowledge, he never made a public statement about his relationship with his family, other than a generic "loves his family." Right. Katherine didn't know the children very well.

What we DO know is that Michael had a major falling-out with Randy during the trial era, having to do with Randy's management (or mismanagement) of his money, and also the MJJSource fiasco (along with Karen Faye).

My sense of it is that he made appearances at large family gatherings, but had little or nothing to do with them, outside of that.
 
^^^^WOW!!! What is that from?!?! At first I didn't believe LaToya book but over the years her book has probed to have a lot of truth in it. All ^^^^we can do is pray that they all one day find peace

From the Glenda tapes convos recorded without Michael's knowledge. It's been on YT for a while now.
 
thank you for posting that...like I have said a million times...Michael the absolute genius. I loved hearing Michael say those words. Bless his soul....his words must haunt their asses everyday of their lives.....good for you Michael.....they deserve it.
 
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there are so many facts about his family but some people just close their eyes.when they defend his family they back up that with tabloid interview and what they say in interview but still don't believe the man himself.leave everything else but they are so blind that they deny everything about this family ,what they have been doing after June 25.i don't think we can help such individual .family and their blind fans are like cat who drinks milk with close eyes and think no one is looking but whole world knows what is going on.
thank u soundmind and elusive ,this is :clap: :clap: :clap: for u guys.
 
Hey guys, can we please not post the videos from the Glenda tapes. They really did MJ dirty taping him without his permission.

Thanks! :flowers:
 
A very good discussion here and thanks for the writing elusive and soundmind. I have never trusted his brothers. Man they are some strange people. And Joe is a chapter for himself. Some of the things you guys have written here is good and it shows how the Jackson family is divided in many sorts of ways. I wish there were more honest and true-hearted people like Katherine in the family. I am not a christian but i pray that his children turns out alright. Or else it will be a muppet show watching his legacy for the years to come.

Thanks for all your posts guys. Agreeing with a lot of you :D
 
didn't read the whole thread... but it was Randy.

The Jacksons to me are not throwing Michael under the drug addict bus with real bad intentions... at least not all of them.
It's just their reason to explain to the world and probably also themselves they've lost completely any contact to Michael when he had been still alive for long.

Sure it's never just a one way street... but if someone cuts any possibilities to be reached there are reasons. Those are worth to be thought about and then named if one has character. And if there's really known for sure 'fault' of a loved one who died, wouldn't anyone really loving then better keep completely quiet and easier bite their tongue out than talking like that?!

The Jacksons have never learned to clean first in front of their own door(s) I guess...

I so hope they'll not give that to Michaels beautiful kids.

Those have certainly learnt already better than that before and I so pray they'll never forget.
 
yeah. they would rather blame mj and use the drug addict reason rather than looking at themselves and why he wanted nothing to do with them.they are the only ones in denial.then again they prob arent in denial.they know full well.but seeing as mj is gone its easier to blame him. he wont be hurt and wont cut them out as they were left nothing anyway. and the families image is more important than someone who isnt here.
 
If mj was a addict he was a secret addict, because not one can provide the evidence to support those questions
If MJ was addicted what was he addicted to?
Every addict have a drug of choice what was MJ drug of choice?
Do any remember after MJ died there was a report saying the police found 19 allies that mike use to doctor shop for drug, but that was a lie because all the drug the police found was in his name and the reset was not prescribe Murray buy them and bring them in the house,
So how hard is it to find out if MJ was a string out addict?
Or was he a control addict?
I am asking because addict are not in control when they are high so some one would have seen him high and well out of it at some point,
But ails no witness so for who can stand up and say for sure MJ was addict and what drug he was addict to it's all hearsay and speculation.
 
randy jackson is seen as the main source from the mid 00's. info was posted in the why all the randy hate in the jacksons section of the board about what went on with friedman/lawsuits etc from that time and his involvement. the ones pushing the druggie story in the family are randy. and janet (who addmitted she hadnt seen mj in 2 plus years) and rebbie who are close to randy.no coincidence there

below is a small bit of info on what went on back then

Yeah one thing I've noticed with Janet is that if you go back through Janet's interviews she mostly states that she hasn't seen Michael in a couple years. I think this started happening around her velvet rope album or right after it. so from 97 onward they had big gaps in seeing each other. It's just so hard to tell...
 
yeah. they would rather blame mj and use the drug addict reason rather than looking at themselves and why he wanted nothing to do with them.they are the only ones in denial.then again they prob arent in denial.they know full well.but seeing as mj is gone its easier to blame him. he wont be hurt and wont cut them out as they were left nothing anyway. and the families image is more important than someone who isnt here.

SO TRUE ,we have been saying that since june 25 ,and by looking at their twitter rants ,it is becoming clear more and more that what their priorities are.smh
 
Sorry to be a bit OT (and I am a bit embarrassed to ask) - but what does "smh" stand for?

And I am curious as to whether or not the Jacksons did indeed have another autopsy done. I think I had heard that they intended to.
 
Sorry to be a bit OT (and I am a bit embarrassed to ask) - but what does "smh" stand for?

smh=shaking my head

And I am curious as to whether or not the Jacksons did indeed have another autopsy done. I think I had heard that they intended to.
I think another autopsy didn't happen. Maybe I'm cynical but I believe the Jacksons would ask the estate to pay for it just like they asked them to pay for funeral clothes etc.
 
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