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What you think about the 30th Anniversary concerts?

PurpleThriller said:
Btw,you can also try his live version of Radiohead's "Creep" from his show at the 2008's Coachella: the way Prince changes up the song,it's lycris and theme it's pure genius in my opinion. The prime example of his trademark live diversity for me
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I don't particularly like this but I do love his awesome guitar playing in it. He's *really* saying something. I'd forgotten all about this. This man is on fire. I love that. I love it when a guitar really sings to me. 🥰
 
mj_frenzy said:
Note that Michael Jackson was mainly perceived as a dancer.

So, 'Dangerous' got performed a lot, including several awards shows, apparently because it was also a way for him to showcase his dance abilities to the general audience/his fans.

On the other hand, 'Give In To Me' had no choreography at all, and considering that he would have lip-synced it, the performance would have unavoidably given rise to negative criticism.
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Yeah sure.
Mainly a dancer who happened to have a 3.5/4 octaves vocal range ,who also possesed an unique tone ,one extremely easy to identify. Not to mention he was vocally versatile and could sing multiple genres.
He was perceived as both a singer and a dancer and was famous cause of this very combination.
And I don't remember Motown 25,Grammys 1988 ,Superbowl 1993 or VMA 1995 getting any hate for his lip-synching:rather they are considered legendary performances. So why would a "Give into me" performance get any kind of different of a reaction?
I'm sorry but are you trolling?
 
PurpleThriller said:
Sameeee yas
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So I just checked out a little video compilation of him doing Jacksons covers. Didn't *absolutely* love it but did have loads of fun. He looked like he was having a great time. I like his looseness, his onstage freedom, iyswim. He benefits from being in an arena rather than a stadium but it makes for a really nice viewing experience.

Anyway, I'm probably derailing so will leave it there. But that was FUN!!! :D
 
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Thanks man, I'm gonna add them all to my list. I'm very interested in his creep and crimson and clover versions as well! Both are great tracks.
Now that I see the tracklist, I do know a couple of songs from the gold experience.
 
PurpleThriller said:
Yeah sure.
Mainly a dancer who happened to have a 3.5/4 octaves vocal range ,who also possesed an unique tone ,one extremely easy to identify. Not to mention he was vocally versatile and could sing multiple genres.
He was perceived as both a singer and a dancer and was famous cause of this very combination.
And I don't remember Motown 25,Grammys 1988 ,Superbowl 1993 or VMA 1995 getting any hate for his lip-synching:rather they are considered legendary performances. So why would a "Give into me" performance get any kind of different of a reaction?
I'm sorry but are you trolling?
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Because people did not seem to care about his lip-syncing as long as they watch him dancing on stage (1993 Super Bowl Medley, 1995 Video Music Awards 'Dangerous' performance, 1988 Grammy Awards 'The Way You Make Me Feel' performance, Motown 25 'Billie Jean' performance, etc).
 
mj_frenzy said:
Note that Michael Jackson was mainly perceived as a dancer.

So, 'Dangerous' got performed a lot, including several awards shows, apparently because it was also a way for him to showcase his dance abilities to the general audience/his fans.

On the other hand, 'Give In To Me' had no choreography at all, and considering that he would have lip-synced it, the performance would have unavoidably given rise to negative criticism.
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W H A T
 
mj_frenzy said:
Because people did not seem to care about his lip-syncing as long as they watch him dancing on stage (1993 Super Bowl Medley, 1995 Video Music Awards 'Dangerous' performance, 1988 Grammy Awards 'The Way You Make Me Feel' performance, Motown 25 'Billie Jean' performance, etc).
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Yeah,but he wasn't dancing while performing "Man in the Mirror" during the 1988 Grammys. And the entire song was pretty much lip-synched,while only the ending ad-libs were live.
And he wasn't doing any dance move while performing "Heal the World" during the Superbowl either,and that one was completely lip-synched.
Shall I mention You are not alone live during the 1995 VMA as well,where he wasn't dancing and was basically lip-synching the entire song while only shouting some ad-libs live at the end of the performance?I kinda remember the "You are not alone" performance getting the fans hyped as well.
Oh and remember the Earth Song performance at Wetten Dass in 95?You are not alone again at the BET awards? You are not alone once more at the Soul Train awards,also in 95?Those particular performances had no dancing,were lip-synched and received pretty much positive reactions.
 
PurpleThriller said:
Yeah,but he wasn't dancing while performing "Man in the Mirror" during the 1988 Grammys. And the entire song was pretty much lip-synched,while only the ending ad-libs were live.
And he wasn't doing any dance move while performing "Heal the World" during the Superbowl either,and that one was completely lip-synched.
Shall I mention You are not alone live during the 1995 VMA as well,where he wasn't dancing and was basically lip-synching the entire song while only shouting some ad-libs live at the end of the performance?I kinda remember the "You are not alone" performance getting the fans hyped as well.
Oh and remember the Earth Song performance at Wetten Dass in 95?You are not alone again at the BET awards? You are not alone once more at the Soul Train awards,also in 95?Those particular performances had no dancing,were lip-synched and received pretty much positive reactions.
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Those lip-synced particular performances (which had no dancing) did not really receive positive reactions.

The only exception is the 1988 Grammy Awards 'Man In The Mirror' performance (but the positive reactions were mainly about the final section of the performance where he starts to sing certain parts live).
 
mj_frenzy said:
Those lip-synced particular performances (which had no dancing) did not really receive positive reactions.

The only exception is the 1988 Grammy Awards 'Man In The Mirror' performance (but the positive reactions were mainly about the final section of the performance where he starts to sing certain parts live).
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So the screaming during You are not alone at the VMA 1995 is the fans protesting or something?
And the screaming during Earth Song at Wetten Das 1995 is also not a sign of positive reactions?With all due respect,I'm not stupid.


 
PurpleThriller said:
So the screaming during You are not alone at the VMA 1995 is the fans protesting or something?
And the screaming during Earth Song at Wetten Das 1995 is also not a sign of positive reactions?With all due respect,I'm not stupid.


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Their screaming is mainly because they see their idol in the flesh, rather than because of the performance itself.

They would have screamed even if Michael Jackson just came out, stood motionless for some seconds and then left the stage.
 
mj_frenzy said:
Those lip-synced particular performances (which had no dancing) did not really receive positive reactions.

The only exception is the 1988 Grammy Awards 'Man In The Mirror' performance (but the positive reactions were mainly about the final section of the performance where he starts to sing certain parts live).
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Did people criticize them at the time?
 
Michael Jackson's Earth Gong premiere at Wetten Dass was the high point in Wetten Dass- history and the song went to number 1 in Germany afterwards. This is reported again and again in retrospect. Even the rehearsals are described as legendary by the Wetten Dass directors. Rehearsing professionally once in a lifetime. Michael Jackson made that possible.
 
Galactus123 said:
Did people criticize them at the time?
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At the time, people did not seem to care about his lip-syncing as long as they watched him perform on stage his dance moves.

Of course, among them there were also some people who actually believed that Michael Jackson sang live during certain lip-synced performances at awards shows.
 
mj_frenzy said:
At the time, people did not seem to care about his lip-syncing as long as they watched him perform on stage his dance moves.

Of course, among them there were also some people who actually believed that Michael Jackson sang live during certain lip-synced performances at awards shows.
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The question was about the performances where Jackson didn't dance. Those ones that I keep mentioning.
Since you claimed that they didn't receive positive reactions,you shall be able to show us reports of people criticizing these performances.
 
filmandmusic said:
I understand but it didn’t have to be innovative. It was fun, a concert should be fun (and live), the 70s shows offered all that.
Sadly there is probably no full concert available of the early 70s but honestly I believe we would be blown away by it. The Forum live album by the Jackson 5 convinced me of that. It must have been very exciting.
Further into the 70s it should be hugely interesting to watch MJ perform songs like got to be there, never can’t say goodbye and others around the time he did The Wiz.

If footage existed we would have seen it, alas.
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Footage does exist for the concerts in the 70s though?

PurpleThriller said:
I will sound maybe crazy, but the 70's Michael isn't anything special to me.
An awesome performer,but nothing innovative or never seen/done before.
He "became Michael Jackson " in 83 for me.
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For me I think he came into his own around when Off The Wall was released at the tail end of the 70s, he stopped doing the nasally "child voice" and he sounded magnificent. The Hawaii performance of Ben is an instant classic for me.

I'm sure the Triumph Tour could put out some similarly good stuff, if not better, but unfortunately we only have the first and last concert of the tour (incomplete too), which is an awkward situation given the lack of energy and passion in the last one and Michael not quite being in his stride yet in the first one.
 
Love the "they don't see you as I do" part in that Hawaii performance of Ben. The Destiny tour was easily Michael's live vocal peak. In the Oakland show the long note in Rock With You is the best I've ever heard Michael sing live and the bridge in Off The Wall sounded incredible.
 
R1chard said:
I meant:
Usher
Mýa
Billy Gilman
Rayvon and Rikrok
Monica, Al Jarreau, Jill Scott and Deborah Cox
James Ingram
Marc Anthony
Monica, Tamia, Mýa, Deborah Cox and Rah Digga
Cassandra Wilson
Lil' Romeo and Master P
98 Degrees
Aaron Carter
Jason Paige

Literally don't know any of these. It's just a poor lineup used as filler. Dated. And very Amerocentric.
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Funny thing, didn't James Ingram wrote a song for MJ? And he is a Legend !!!
Usher? OMG!
Al Jarreau? i sang on we are the world!!! Also legend!
Marc Anthony? Ex-hubby of Jennifer Lopez and also a good singer (When you sang to me!!!).
Deborah Cox also had a few nice slowjam hits in de 90's.
 
@mj_frenzy makes some valid points in this discussion about miming. The fans screamed because they saw their idol. I remember MJ’s passage in Belgium for the HIStory tour got a very mixed response. There were quite a few people interviewed saying they were shocked he didn’t sing a note live and that they wasted their money.
I am 100% sure the same happened in other countries all over the world.

@ArchieSmash yes I know I have seen all of it, if that is all that is left of over 300 concerts then that is a very poor return lol
There is for example no footage of their peak in popularity 1970/71

This is peak live Michael. He sings got to be there live the way it was on the album.

Fucking hell I had to edit to add. If this performance is not exciting and absolutely perfect then nothing is!
 
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I see another thread devolved into lip syncing debates.

Sep 7 was genuinely quite bad, possibly his worst concert ever. September 10th, though, is pretty fun, even if not flawless, his charisma is just through the roof. And the dance off with Usher is one of my favorite MJ moments ever.
 
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