Can someone explain me why Rod Temperton wasn't involved in the making of the Bad record? Was he fired, or did he refuse to participate, or was he sick? ( ), just write an answer, because i'm curious. :hiya:
^Didn't Matt Forger say that they tried to find the tape from the song for Bad25, but they couldn't find it?
Yes he did, but they'll find it and release it eventually. It has to be somewhere, just like Bad Tour film reels.
Dilan;4047603 said:Where can I actually see where matt said they couldn't find it?
During the BAD sessions, Michael Jackson considered many songs that finally were discarded. Songwriter Rod Temperton, who was part of the A-Team behind Off the Wall and Thriller, submitted a few songs for BAD, one of them being <b>Groove of Midnight</b>. This song was eventually recorded by Siedah Garrett and was released on her debut album KISS of Life on Qwest Records (1988). “Rod Temperton had some songs”, remembers Matt Forger. “Quincy asked him to have songs ready. Groove of Midnight is one of these songs. However we searched and we could not find a version with Michael’s vocals. It wasn’t a song that they considered for the BAD album eventually”
Snippets from Michael's Groove Of Midnight recoring session:
Siedah's version (1988):
More of an album-filler this one.
Rod has always been around, but as people get older sometimes they take more of a backseat, Rod was still writing for Michael, and Michael was still singing his lyrics in 2008.
Nonetheless, it's an unheard Michael Jackson song and i'd love to hear his demo..
Source? Name of the songs?
A friend interviewed Michael Prince. I won't post anything else as the interview may be released soon.
I've heard a rumour that Rod Temperton wrote the 3rd verse for one of the released songs. But that he requested extremely large sum of money for it to be released. Is that it? If that is true, then it's not cool. And how soon can we expect Damie_ Shield_'s article?
You are half there, he did indeed write an additional verse, which was recorded but for previous "Business arrangements" Sony/Estate didn't bother to call him, they just cut the verse. I believe a certain book may contain the info, when that book comes, is unsure right now.
Yeah, I know. I'll buy A Truth Untold book. So you claim that they didn't even called him? I've heard that they did call him but that he requested outrageously large sum of money - and that's why they decided to cut it.
And I assume that "for previous "Business arrangements"" means that they were pissed at him because of some lawsuit? Was he the one who sued MJ for Thriller royalties? Is that it?
Okay, screw it. here ya go xD
During This Is It when they were clearing rights to songwriters for the songs, they were paying the song writers a basic fee which was Tiny, I think something like $10k or $15k, they were basically paying pennies to these guys. When it came to Rod he said he wanted something crazy like $5 Million for Thriller, now trust me Rod Temperton is loaded, MP said he is one of the richest guys he knows and certainly doesn't need the money, neither would he have charged MJ anything crazy like that. What Rod was doing was sticking by his principals and he thought Sony were taking the piss.
Anyhow, Sony needed Thriller they had the whole Vignette recorded etc. So they tried to do a deal offering a lower amount ($1 mil) I think, anyhow this went back and forwards a little, they offered him a cut of royalties, this and that but I think they settled on a cash sum of something like $2 or $3 Mil.
So when it came to the 3rd Verse on BOJ..............they didn't want to go near him xD
Thanks for the info.
My opinion: he is a very greedy man. It is Sony's fault that they didn't contact him for BOJ. But asking for those sums of money for inclusion of his song in the This Is It movie?? He would still be paid the royalties! What is his problem? He should have been proud that MJ made his song so popular.
BTW can a songwriter block his already released song by another artist to be included in a movie? Doesn't he just receives the royalties? In 2009 Sony still owned distribution rights and co-owned publishing rights with MJ for Thriller.
Maybe Sony did piss on other songwriters, but in the end he pissed on us - fans.
I think standing up for his own song to a multi-billion corporation who's sole purpose was to profit hugely from This Is It should be applauded.
**** him and **** multi-billion corporation. What about fans?? This Is It (for me) was released for the fans. I don't care how much he earned or how much Sony earned.
And now imagine if he had blocked fans to see Thriller live in 2009 performed very last time because of his "principals" and money.
Also can you answer me this from my previous post: "can a songwriter block his already released song by another artist to be included in a movie? Doesn't he just receives the royalties? In 2009 Sony still owned distribution rights and co-owned publishing rights with MJ for Thriller."
Rod Temperton worked with Michael Jackson over a time of 30 years, they were colleagues, friends and created some fantastic music, starting the wheel turning for such things as the Thriller music video etc.
I agree 100%. He is amazing songwriter and very talented musician. And obviously great friend.
But with MJ gone, he should still act professionally and continue to be his collaborator, colleague and friend. And a good man first of all.
Thats the problem though, with MJ gone, he had Sony to deal with. He acted professionally, its business, Sony came to him and tried to pay him a measly amount of money, knowing fully well This Is It would make a massive amount of money (Which it made 100's of Millions in profit) the budget was $60 Million and they made over $260 in Cinema's alone, add to that whatever DVD's and Blurays sold there even more money, I think as we all know and thank him for creating Thriller, I think that guy deserved his fair share of $200 Million+ profit.
Come to think of it, I am wondering if Rod had to clear the performance on Bad Tour Wembley?