Thriller 40th Anniversary

[SmoothGangsta]

He wrote on MJs birthday last year his music was too ingrained to cancel. It's not 1-2 comments, it's 30+ years of MJ was an abuser, hated his race, insane etc etc

Now that it's been cleared up that he clearly still holds these opinions, I guess the estate checked him out, saw this stuff, and thought it was totally fine.

Also the sus comments about it being okay to want to date schoolgirls. Seems like a totally normal guy and someone who should totally be working on this project.

 

[Dorian]

I think nowadays people have issues distinguishing between personal and professional life.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if they are wrong. But if they can leave that aside and do a good job it’s none of my problems.

 

[Hudson112]

A shame. I had Nelson George down as one of the good ones.

 

[SmoothCriminal1995]

I think nowadays people have issues distinguishing between personal and professional life.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if they are wrong. But if they can leave that aside and do a good job it’s none of my problems.

I agree with that completely, for example there are a few actors I don't agree with politically, but I still think they're fine actors.

Certain things George has said in the past are such deep personal attacks, it'll be tough to sidestep, in order to make what should feel like a personal look at someone's career.

I totally respect your opinion by the way and I get where you're coming from

 

[SmoothGangsta]

I agree with that completely, for example there are a few actors I don't agree with politically, but I still think they're fine actors.

Certain things George has said in the past are such deep personal attacks, it'll be tough to sidestep, in order to make what should feel like a personal look at someone's career.

I totally respect your opinion by the way and I get where you're coming from

Honestly seeing fans actively trying to downplay how disrespectful this is to MJ in order to defend a project is kinda saddening to me.

 

[Simijacksonfan]

Ich frage mich jetzt ernsthaft, warum das Estate jemanden als Direktor einstellt, der diese Dinge über Michael Jackson sagt, das ist überhaupt nicht in Ordnung und ein riesiger Skandal vom Estate, wie stellt man eine Person ein, die bis vor kurzem diesen Mist über Michael sagt oder gesagt hat

 

[SmoothCriminal1995]

Honestly seeing fans actively trying to downplay how disrespectful this is to MJ in order to defend a project is kinda saddening to me.

It's a shame that this documentary is finished and probably being edited now. Had the Estate announced plans to collaborate with him, I think fan outrage would have prevented it

 

[AlwaysThere]

On a personal level, I think a lot of the annoyance comes from the estate’s inability to release a single project without some level of widespread fan criticism. This is one of those cases where the outrage is absolutely warranted; I didn’t know Nelson was actively disparaging MJ as of a couple years ago, and that’s indefensible. However, as someone who’s just excited to consume new MJ material after the 2019 mishap, seeing yet another controversy makes me wanna throw up my hands and just walk away from the community entirely. Even when it’s totally justified, it’s just so sad that fans can’t enjoy a single release without something or someone getting in the way.

 

[Simijacksonfan]

Es ist wirklich traurig, ich dachte, das Estate macht jetzt einen guten Job mit der Veröffentlichung und wegen dieses Mistes ist es wirklich scheiße. Ich hätte mich wirklich auf diese Dokumentation gefreut, aber es dreht mir jetzt wirklich den Magen respektlos gegenüber michael

 

[dam2040]

On a personal level, I think a lot of the annoyance comes from the estate’s inability to release a single project without some level of widespread fan criticism. This is one of those cases where the outrage is absolutely warranted; I didn’t know Nelson was actively disparaging MJ as of a couple years ago, and that’s indefensible. However, as someone who’s just excited to consume new MJ material after the 2019 mishap, seeing yet another controversy makes me wanna throw up my hands and just walk away from the community entirely. Even when it’s totally justified, it’s just so sad that fans can’t enjoy a single release without something or someone getting in the way.

Me too. It's so disappointing that every single piece of new MJ has at least 1 thing to scar it/lessen it.

Just so depressing to see the man I followed and loved for more years than I can remember being treated and disrespected like this. Ugh.

 

[Annita]

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[SmoothCriminal1995]

On a personal level, I think a lot of the annoyance comes from the estate’s inability to release a single project without some level of widespread fan criticism. This is one of those cases where the outrage is absolutely warranted; I didn’t know Nelson was actively disparaging MJ as of a couple years ago, and that’s indefensible. However, as someone who’s just excited to consume new MJ material after the 2019 mishap, seeing yet another controversy makes me wanna throw up my hands and just walk away from the community entirely. Even when it’s totally justified, it’s just so sad that fans can’t enjoy a single release without something or someone getting in the way.

I get this completely mate.

I think the problem is, because of Mike's constant perfectionist ways, we as fans not only expect but demand it, as a sense of duty to our hero

Also I think because we've been starved of content for years prior to 2019, the first project was always going to be pulled apart.

It's made now and there's nothing we can do, but I do wish they hadn't put fans in such a difficult position, after such a long and patient wait for content.

Hopefully George makes a solid documentary with lots of new stuff included

 

[travis3000]

Hi Travis 3000 spot on there.
What do you think about all the projects?

I am excited for them. To me it's almost karma. Makes Nelson George look like an idiot. He has absolutely written some negative things about MJ... his takes didn't age well at all. Think about how it looks in the big picture. Now this man is in charge of a Thriller documentary. Enjoy your crow pie bud haha. In the future if he is ever pressed about his negative MJ stories, anyone could just say "Well you must not hate the guy that much, you directed an official pro MJ documentary".

I mean yeah its a shame that the estate decided to work with this guy. But my only hope is that like MJ the Musical, it turns out to be awesome and helps Michaels legacy. I remain cautiously optimistic.

 

[travis3000]

Honestly seeing fans actively trying to downplay how disrespectful this is to MJ in order to defend a project is kinda saddening to me.

What is saddening to me is a fan community that continues to self sabotage. Let's chop our noses off to spite our face. We are all angry that this man is involved, but its clear the documentary is mostly done. Its been worked on all year... we can't start over. So at this point we have two options

1) Bitch and moan, boycott the product and give the media more red meat to report on "MJ fans boycott new documentary due to controversies about the directors views on singers sex scandals"

2) Remain cautiously optimistic and wait to see the end product which may end up being very good.

 

[filmandmusic]

The guy can have his opinion as long as he delivers a competent product then we have nothing to complain about. He is a professional director, it is what they do.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

What is saddening to me is a fan community that continues to self sabotage. Let's chop our noses off to spite our face. We are all angry that this man is involved, but its clear the documentary is mostly done. Its been worked on all year... we can't start over. So at this point we have two options

1) Bitch and moan, boycott the product and give the media more red meat to report on "MJ fans boycott new documentary due to controversies about the directors views on singers sex scandals"

2) Remain cautiously optimistic and wait to see the end product which may end up being very good.

This whole blaming fans and telling them to stop reacting to the Estate's total disregard for MJ thing is really wearing me down.

If anyone is self sabotaging it is the Estate. Fans react to their decisions. We have no obligation to act like we're happy to cover for their bullshit.

 

[travis3000]

This whole blaming fans and telling them to stop reacting to the Estate's total disregard for MJ thing is really wearing me down.

Then maybe you need to take a break from the fan community. Because this is where we are right now. MJ is a controversial figure and has been accused of some horrible stuff. It only makes sense that many people out there will have gone on the record saying some things the fans don't approve of. The estate has proven time and time again to be sometimes oblivious to the details. They've done many things right, and some other things wrong.

This Is It= amazing
Cirque Du Soleil= amazing
MJ Musical= amazing
Xscape album= amazing
Bad 25= amazing

Michael album= disaster
Vision Music Videos= half ass

So lets try to be optimistic here and appreciate we have a great project on the way. Let's focus our energies on making Thriller #1 on as many global charts as possible, especially in the USA. The fan community for MJ is very special, lets not let this ruin our energy...especially when we haven't seen the end product.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

Then maybe you need to take a break from the fan community. Because this is where we are right now. MJ is a controversial figure and has been accused of some horrible stuff. It only makes sense that many people out there will have gone on the record saying some things the fans don't approve of. The estate has proven time and time again to be sometimes oblivious to the details. They've done many things right, and some other things wrong.

This Is It= amazing
Cirque Du Soleil= amazing
MJ Musical= amazing
Xscape album= amazing
Bad 25= amazing

Michael album= disaster
Vision Music Videos= half ass

So lets try to be optimistic here and appreciate we have a great project on the way. Let's focus our energies on making Thriller #1 on as many global charts as possible, especially in the USA. The fan community for MJ is very special, lets not let this ruin our energy...especially when we haven't seen the end product.

Like I said, fans have no obligation to change how they feel about the Estate's decisions just because they may get some bad press from them. Entirely their own fault in that case.

The whole "some people won't like MJ" thing doesn't apply here at all in all honestly and the fact that argument is being made for this particular situation is kinda staggering to me. The man has been publicly saying MJ had sex with children for years, this is not someone who has suddenly came out with this information, taking the estate off guard.

I've already said I hope the documentary is good, purely because it's happening and there's nothing we can do about it, I'm just sick of people in this community acting like we have some sort of obligation to protect this estate when they make yet another horrible decision.

 

[dethorro]

On a personal level, I think a lot of the annoyance comes from the estate’s inability to release a single project without some level of widespread fan criticism. This is one of those cases where the outrage is absolutely warranted; I didn’t know Nelson was actively disparaging MJ as of a couple years ago, and that’s indefensible. However, as someone who’s just excited to consume new MJ material after the 2019 mishap, seeing yet another controversy makes me wanna throw up my hands and just walk away from the community entirely. Even when it’s totally justified, it’s just so sad that fans can’t enjoy a single release without something or someone getting in the way.

Totally agree. It’s always fun for the first 5 minutes after an announcement and then it all goes downhill from there.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Guns N Roses releasing a full song from their 1991 New York gig, from their upcomig FULL BLU RAY concert.

Meanwhile our Estate: yeah lemme give u a docu and a vinyl/CD reissue

 

[SmoothGangsta]

Totally agree. It’s always fun for the first 5 minutes after an announcement and then it all goes downhill from there.

Well we know where to direct our frustrations, and it is not onto the fan community.

 

[PurpleThriller]

Well we know where to direct our frustrations, and it is not onto the fan community.

exactlyy!!!!

 

[AlwaysThere]

Meanwhile our Estate: yeah lemme give u a docu and a vinyl/CD reissue

Nelson George aside, let’s not pretend like fans haven’t been asking for a Thriller documentary for years. Not to mention that we’re getting a full second disc of demos and tracks in high-quality. That hardly constitutes a simple “vinyl reissue.”

This is what I mean when I’m saying I’m disillusioned lmfao. Obviously not everybody has to enjoy everything and quality criticisms are necessary, but this attitude of “I’m getting some of the stuff I’ve been hoping I’d get for years, but I’m still pissed because I didn’t get it all” is crazy.

 

[dam2040]

It’s hilarious some fans think we just have to put up with this, because it’s all we get and we want positive success for MJ.

I want MJ to be #1 in the charts every week all over the world for the rest of time but to step all over him to get there isn’t right

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Nelson George aside, let’s not pretend like fans haven’t been asking for a Thriller documentary for years. Not to mention that we’re getting a full second disc of demos and tracks in high-quality. That hardly constitutes a simple “vinyl reissue.”

This is what I mean when I’m saying I’m disillusioned lmfao. Obviously not everybody has to enjoy everything and quality criticisms are necessary, but this attitude of “I’m getting some of the stuff I’ve been hoping I’d get for years, but I’m still pissed because I didn’t get it all” is crazy.

Lmfao I'm suspecting you are Branca himself. Hi John, please give us what we really want, a full HD concert.

It's not like you are doing any favor, cause we'll pay for that.

 

[AlwaysThere]

Lmfao I'm suspecting you are Branca himself. Hi John, please give us what we really want, a full HD concert.

It's not like you are doing any favor, cause we'll pay for that.

I dunno who “we” is, because I personally couldn’t be bothered with concerts. I’d choose new music over a show, especially one from the HIStory Tour, which seems to be the route they’re going. I’d sooner buy a CD of the Cascio tracks than that show.

(Okay, not really, but still, there are very few things I’d like less than that.)

 

[Simijacksonfan]

Es ist wirklich traurig, ich dachte, das Estate macht jetzt einen guten Job mit der Veröffentlichung und wegen dieses Mistes ist es wirklich scheiße. Ich hätte mich wirklich auf diese Dokumentation gefreut, aber es dreht mir jetzt wirklich den Magen um, dass eine Person eingestellt wird, sterben in der Vergangenheit war und bevor ich kürzlich solche Dinge über Michael Jackson gesagt habe, ist es Michael Jackson gegenüber absoluter Respektlosigkeit und man kann es nicht kleinreden und rumspielen ist wirklich verrückt

Abgesehen von Nelson George, tun wir nicht so, als hätten die Fans seit Jahren nicht nach einer Thriller - Dokumentation gefragt. Ganz zu schweigen davon, dass wir eine komplette zweite CD mit Demos und Tracks in hoher Qualität bekommen. Das ist kaum eine einfache „Vinyl-Neuauflage“.

Das meine ich, wenn ich sage, dass ich desillusioniert bin, lmfao. Natürlich muss nicht jeder alles genießen und Qualitätskritik ist notwendig, aber diese Einstellung von „Ich bekomme einiges von dem Zeug, auf das ich seit Jahren gehofft habe, aber ich bin immer noch sauer, weil ich es nicht bekommen habe alles“ ist verrückt.

Abgesehen von Nelson George, tun wir nicht so, als hätten die Fans seit Jahren nicht nach einer Thriller - Dokumentation gefragt. Ganz zu schweigen davon, dass wir eine komplette zweite CD mit Demos und Tracks in hoher Qualität bekommen. Das ist kaum eine einfache „Vinyl-Neuauflage“.

Das meine ich, wenn ich sage, dass ich desillusioniert bin, lmfao. Natürlich muss nicht jeder alles genießen und Qualitätskritik ist notwendig, aber diese Einstellung von „Ich bekomme einiges von dem Zeug, auf das ich seit Jahren gehofft habe, aber ich bin immer noch sauer, weil ich es nicht bekommen habe alles“ ist verrückt.

Wir tun nicht so, als würden wir uns nicht wirklich auf einen Thriller-Dokumentarfilm freuen, der Punkt ist, dass der Regisseur dieses Films der Porplem ist, weil er anscheinend jahrelang falsche Behauptungen über Michael Jackson unterstützt hat und jetzt macht er diesen Film sicherlich nicht mit einem Herz für Michael Jackson, aber wegen des Geldes, sonst hätte er nicht 30 Jahre lang so abartige Aussagen über Michael gemacht, und es ist nicht richtig, dass jemand, der so über Michael Jackson spricht, diesen Film macht, dem Michael sicherlich nicht zugestimmt hätte Solche falschen Behauptungen über dich machen eine Dokumentation über Michaels Thriller-Album, das ist einfach respektlos und ich weiß nicht, was.Es ist im Nachlass passiert, das zu ignorieren und nicht, um einen neuen Filmleiter für den Thriller-Dokumentarfilm zu bekommen und jemanden, der Michael schätzt, der das nicht so tut, wie Sie es in 30 Jahren sind, und das ist nur ein Schweinerei

 

[Simijacksonfan]

Abgesehen von Nelson George, tun wir nicht so, als hätten die Fans seit Jahren nicht nach einer Thriller - Dokumentation gefragt. Ganz zu schweigen davon, dass wir eine komplette zweite CD mit Demos und Tracks in hoher Qualität bekommen. Das ist kaum eine einfache „Vinyl-Neuauflage“.

Das meine ich, wenn ich sage, dass ich desillusioniert bin, lmfao. Natürlich muss nicht jeder alles genießen und Qualitätskritik ist notwendig, aber diese Einstellung von „Ich bekomme einiges von dem Zeug, auf das ich seit Jahren gehofft habe, aber ich bin immer noch sauer, weil ich es nicht bekommen habe alles“ ist verrückt.

Wir tun nicht so, als würden wir uns nicht wirklich auf einen Thriller-Dokumentarfilm freuen, der Punkt ist, dass der Regisseur dieses Films der Porplem ist, weil er anscheinend jahrelang falsche Behauptungen über Michael Jackson unterstützt hat und jetzt macht er diesen Film sicherlich nicht mit einem Herz für Michael Jackson, aber wegen des Geldes, sonst würde er 30 Jahre lang nicht so abartige Aussagen über Michael machen, und es ist nicht richtig, dass jemand, der so über Michael Jackson spricht, diesen Film macht, dem Michael sicherlich nicht zugestimmt hätte Solche falschen Behauptungen über dich machen eine Dokumentation über Michaels Thriller-Album, das ist einfach respektlos und ich weiß nicht, was.Es ist im Nachlass passiert, das zu ignorieren und nicht, um einen neuen Filmleiter für den Thriller-Dokumentarfilm zu bekommen und jemanden, der Michael schätzt, der das nicht so tut, wie Sie es in 30 Jahren sind, und das ist nur ein Chaos

 

[Simijacksonfan]

Nelson George aside, let’s not pretend like fans haven’t been asking for a Thriller documentary for years. Not to mention that we’re getting a full second disc of demos and tracks in high-quality. That hardly constitutes a simple “vinyl reissue.”

Das meine ich, wenn ich sage, dass ich desillusioniert bin, lmfao. Natürlich muss nicht jeder alles genießen und Qualitätskritik ist notwendig, aber diese Einstellung von „Ich bekomme einiges von dem Zeug, auf das ich seit Jahren gehofft habe, aber ich bin immer noch sauer, weil ich es nicht bekommen habe alles“ ist verrückt.

We're not pretending we're not really looking forward to a thriller documentary, the point is that the director of this film is the porplem because he's apparently supported false claims about michael jackson for years and now he's certainly not making this film with a heart for michael jackson but because of money otherwise he wouldn't be making such abnormal statements about michael for 30 years and it's not right that someone who talks like that about michael jackson is making this film that michael would certainly not have agreed to someone making such false claims about you Documentary about Michael's thriller album power

 

[DangerousGal91]

Probably the final thing I'll say about all this because frankly, I've been too negative for my own good and I don't like it. I don't like being negative!

But for me personally, disagreements based on opinion are a bit different from disagreements based on outright lies. The first one I'm fine with as long as both parties are being civil. But I do not tolerate it when people outright deny facts. That's not an opinion, that's just being 1) ignorant, which isn't always out of malice and can possibly be corrected, or 2) being outright malicious, which I am never under any circumstances okay with, ever. I do not tolerate people who believe Michael is guilty/wanted to be white/etc., period. And I guess that's my personal opinion. I of course can't decide for other people how they go about that, and I'm fine with that, but I just can't support slanderous individuals who believe in malicious lies. I've seen too many reputations being unfairly destroyed by giving people like that a free pass (not just Michael, either) and I'm tired of having to tolerate it. No more.

That's all, really. Again I'm not saying this documentary will be bad, I have no idea about that, but I just can't support it right now. I don't care what other people do, but I'm not gonna bother. Sorry, I guess. I hope other people will enjoy it.