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Thriller 40th Anniversary

If hardcore fans make Thriller40 trend every week they make a new song announcement, that will help keep MJ in the general public's mind and will likely lead to more album sales and streams than if they released all of the information at once. I assume that is their goal.
 
Just as I suspected, we probably won't get more than 1 unleaked song. If that's the case they better give us a real nice surprise.
 
Eric said:
Do you know what the estate has access to? Perhaps they don't have a treasure trove of songs that you seem to think they have.
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Too bad Prince's one actually does. They just relesead an album full of new material last year.
When was the last time we got something similar from Mj's one? 2014.....
 
Pentum said:
AlwaysThere: AlwaysLives up to his username to AlwaysBeThere whenever someone voices his or her opinion which can be seen as being critical towards The MJ Estate
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It’s almost like this is a discussion board 🤔

It’s just so sad how some people continuously move the goalposts. Criticism is one thing; scrounging through every release for something to whine about is another and comes off as pretentious. Quality aside, the idea that including the T25 remixes on a digital release is in any way a make or break decision says a lot (not to mention that people are complaining about the fact that we might only get 1-2 “new” songs, as if the estate is expected to cater to the 10% of hardcore fans and not the worldwide audience who hasn’t heard “Niteline” or “Carousel”).

The entitlement is astonishing.
 
PurpleThriller said:
Too bad Prince's one actually does. They just relesead an album full of new material last year.
When was the last time we got something similar from Mj's one? 2014.....
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I mean, yeah, but it's no secret either that Prince's output was on a whole other level than Michael's... To every unreleased MJ song there are like, what, a hundred unreleased Prince songs lol?
 
You know what would've been better. If the effin CDs shipped back in 2001 with their disc 2 of unreleased demos.
But because of Michael and his decisions it ended up leaking online.
We could've had them in 2008, but we got remixes.

Now we'll get them all in one place. Bad, for whatever reason, had nothing leaked. But I suppose most of the Dangerous outtakes are leaked as well.
It was a win for us (back then), but in the long run it seems rather like a bad idea. I personally wouldn't want to be put in their place to try to find songs and have no place to search for instead of the mostly leaked tracks.
 
AlwaysThere said:
It’s almost like this is a discussion board 🤔

It’s just so sad how some people continuously move the goalposts. Criticism is one thing; scrounging through every release for something to whine about is another and comes off as pretentious. Quality aside, the idea that including the T25 remixes on a digital release is in any way a make or break decision says a lot (not to mention that people are complaining about the fact that we might only get 1-2 “new” songs, as if the estate is expected to cater to the 10% of hardcore fans and not the worldwide audience who hasn’t heard “Niteline” or “Carousel”).

The entitlement is astonishing.
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And to put the icing on the cake, I've only counted five previously-leaked songs (Starlight, Hot Street, Carousel, Nite Line, and She's Trouble), so that basically means there's five completely unknown songs to speculate about. Do that instead of taking the inch you've been given by a mile.
 
ssj said:
I mean, yeah, but it's no secret either that Prince's output was on a whole other level than Michael's... To every unreleased MJ song there are like, what, a hundred unreleased Prince songs lol?
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Exactly XD.
To me it's obvious that Prince was the better legend,but still I refuse to believe that Mike got no more unrelesead songs. That would be extremely dissapointing
 
Dorian said:
You know what would've been better. If the effin CDs shipped back in 2001 with their disc 2 of unreleased demos.
But because of Michael and his decisions it ended up leaking online.
We could've had them in 2008, but we got remixes.

Now we'll get them all in one place. Bad, for whatever reason, had nothing leaked. But I suppose most of the Dangerous outtakes are leaked as well.
It was a win for us (back then), but in the long run it seems rather like a bad idea. I personally wouldn't want to be put in their place to try to find songs and have no place to search for instead of the mostly leaked tracks.
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True tho...
But that takes us to another issue: Michael apparently wasn't prolific enough to have recorded more than 5-15 at most unrelesead songs for each of his solo albums. And that means that ,,him writting 100 songs,, for each album could have been nothing but just big lies
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I'm quite happy with that, pretty much what I expected them to say in a press release

How do I quote a post from a different thread?
 
AlwaysThere said:
It’s almost like this is a discussion board 🤔

It’s just so sad how some people continuously move the goalposts. Criticism is one thing; scrounging through every release for something to whine about is another and comes off as pretentious. Quality aside, the idea that including the T25 remixes on a digital release is in any way a make or break decision says a lot (not to mention that people are complaining about the fact that we might only get 1-2 “new” songs, as if the estate is expected to cater to the 10% of hardcore fans and not the worldwide audience who hasn’t heard “Niteline” or “Carousel”).

The entitlement is astonishing.
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We can cross calling fans entitled off the bingo card for this MJ release lol.
 
Dorian said:
You know what would've been better. If the effin CDs shipped back in 2001 with their disc 2 of unreleased demos.
But because of Michael and his decisions it ended up leaking online.
We could've had them in 2008, but we got remixes.

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Exactly. He had made some crap decisions,some shocking considering his overall impact and talent.
 
PurpleThriller said:
True tho...
But that takes us to another issue: Michael apparently wasn't prolific enough to have recorded more than 5-15 at most unrelesead songs for each of his solo albums. And that means that ,,him writting 100 songs,, for each album could have been nothing but just big lies
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Yeah, I sincerely doubt that people didn't exagerate the recording sessions.
Actually, there are more things to take into consideration.

1. Exagerate for PR, since he wanted to keep his "untouchable" image. If you ask me, he might have had some psychic issues such as OCD that led him to make some questionable decisions, but this is not the point. Even though he could've ended some of the rumours regarding him during his lifetime, being misterios was a better PR stunt than addressing them with proper proof. (e.g. marriages, children, health problems, choosing to settle for the 1993 allegations, wearing mask and sunglasses in public - even though it was pretty easy to guess who he was - )

2. He might have written them, but didn't record them or are in a very rough state. (let's take Pop Smoke for example - young rapper that died 2 years ago - his estate released EVERY snippet they could from the vault along with his "biggest" hit on both of his posthumous albums. What did the fans get? 3-4 rough demos merged into one song along with features to completed the song on almost every track. I think to merge songs like HT or IATL and APWNN + a guest feature from some current hot shot like Harry Styles would be cringe as hell). As rough demos we have the WBSS/Beat It/Billie Jean demos from 81. In case of concerts, for Thriller there would obviously be discussions with the J5, so a deal between them is improbable IMO. The 2001 concert from MSG was a once in a life time chance for both of the parties to come together.

3. There might be issues with the people that were linked to the production/recording/mixing of the song. (royalties pay really low, especially in the streaming era, I understand why some producers keep the songs from themselves and chose to go to interviews/have seminars instead of giving them to the Estate. It pays better. I don't buy "It's all for love. I don't want them to touch my songs" bs especially since they decided to showcase the demos along the remixed versions). We have Quincy, who was the main man during the OTW/Thriller/Bad era. If they are on bad terms, I don't expect songs to be approved for release, even if they are in the vault. As morbid as it sounds, some years might have to pass until those who inherit the rights will want to give their approval for release. Or like Will.I.Am who was this forum's golden boy in 2009 for not wanting to give the Estate the instrumentals he worked together with Michael (the Estate has the vocals). In the end he just wanted to release the tracks on his album later, like the greedy scumbag he is. The Estate said no (obviously) so he released some of the songs with his own vocals. Not gonna comment on his quality of production, it's not usually my type. But all in all, he is part of the Thriller legacy with 2 remixes on T25 and I am not. Michael liked his work, even though he allegedly hated remixes, but released 2 of his on T25 instead of some unreleased tracks for the fans. As I said earlier, questionable decisions and PR stunts.

4. Michael was a mess when it comes to being organised. I can't give you the exact source, but I remember reading around here that he forgot about masters of his filmed concerts (which kinda connects to them having only limited material stored on film, e.g. APOM video from the BAD25 docu). So if he was negligent with the concerts, I'm pretty sure there wasn't a difference when it came to songs. It's just that more people had a copy of the songs in this case (engineers, producers, writers). This is where having different mixes for the songs comes in place (I think). I remember him being mad in 2003 for the Escape (song) leak from one of the studio engineers. So keep the faith folks, we might have some undiscovered pre-album mixes of different songs. We also have LaToya(?) allegedly walking out of Michael's house with some hard drives with his work? Dunno what happened to them. But my point still stands. He was totally all over the place with everything he created.

With all this in mind, I'm not saying the Estate is perfect. They made mistakes. There are worse Estates there (e.g. Pop Smoke), or better (e.g. Elvis, Prince), but strictly speaking in this case, I wouldn't want to be in their position of decision making.
 
AlwaysThere said:
It’s almost like this is a discussion board 🤔

It’s just so sad how some people continuously move the goalposts. Criticism is one thing; scrounging through every release for something to whine about is another and comes off as pretentious. Quality aside, the idea that including the T25 remixes on a digital release is in any way a make or break decision says a lot (not to mention that people are complaining about the fact that we might only get 1-2 “new” songs, as if the estate is expected to cater to the 10% of hardcore fans and not the worldwide audience who hasn’t heard “Niteline” or “Carousel”).

The entitlement is astonishing.
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If it is a discussion board, then stop complaining about other people complaining then, and instead, offer to discuss the opinions. The reason I directed it towards you is because every single time members post something critical or show disappointment (which they are entitled to, given the history of the estate's releases, and given which artist we are actually discussing here. You see, MJ fans have higher standards than others, and that's a right in my opinion and it will stay like that until we pass away), you always repeat the same respond which literally does nothing other than perhaps generalise. You have to respect that people have different opinions, and different standards.

The T25 are not make or break for most hardcore fans so far, as far as I have observed both on Twitter and this board, so your arguments are based on your own exaggerations.

The hell is wrong with fans wanting more than 1-2 unheard songs now all of a sudden? How many years has it been since they released even 1 unheard proper song? The Estate SHOULD cater to the hardcore fans, what makes you think normal listeners will not care for the unheard songs as well? So you are basing your arguments on exaggerations and assumptions.

Listen, you even had to apologize a little while ago over how you were complaining about how people were complaining about the Cascio issue for so many years, yet it was because of those said people, that the songs were actually removed. How ironic, Mr. AlwaysThere, don't you think?

Oh, and look how people complained about the recent 40th Thriller cover, so they actually changed it for something that seems like more fans appreciated. How did that happened? Hmm... Fans complaining I guess?

It's okay, we get it, you like to back the estate. But don't act so butthurt every time posters like me are critical. Heck, this time, even though I have my critics, I am also excited! Wow!

By the way, I shut up about the new cover, but I'll go ahead since I'm already at it: I think the new cover looks like the gravestone pattern/design that I find in my city's graveyard, with a section of MJ's face on it. Lol!
 
Dorian said:
Yeah, I sincerely doubt that people didn't exagerate the recording sessions.
Actually, there are more things to take into consideration.

1. Exagerate for PR, since he wanted to keep his "untouchable" image. If you ask me, he might have had some psychic issues such as OCD that led him to make some questionable decisions, but this is not the point. Even though he could've ended some of the rumours regarding him during his lifetime, being misterios was a better PR stunt than addressing them with proper proof. (e.g. marriages, children, health problems, choosing to settle for the 1993 allegations, wearing mask and sunglasses in public - even though it was pretty easy to guess who he was - )

2. He might have written them, but didn't record them or are in a very rough state. (let's take Pop Smoke for example - young rapper that died 2 years ago - his estate released EVERY snippet they could from the vault along with his "biggest" hit on both of his posthumous albums. What did the fans get? 3-4 rough demos merged into one song along with features to completed the song on almost every track. I think to merge songs like HT or IATL and APWNN + a guest feature from some current hot shot like Harry Styles would be cringe as hell). As rough demos we have the WBSS/Beat It/Billie Jean demos from 81. In case of concerts, for Thriller there would obviously be discussions with the J5, so a deal between them is improbable IMO. The 2001 concert from MSG was a once in a life time chance for both of the parties to come together.

3. There might be issues with the people that were linked to the production/recording/mixing of the song. (royalties pay really low, especially in the streaming era, I understand why some producers keep the songs from themselves and chose to go to interviews/have seminars instead of giving them to the Estate. It pays better. I don't buy "It's all for love. I don't want them to touch my songs" bs especially since they decided to showcase the demos along the remixed versions). We have Quincy, who was the main man during the OTW/Thriller/Bad era. If they are on bad terms, I don't expect songs to be approved for release, even if they are in the vault. As morbid as it sounds, some years might have to pass until those who inherit the rights will want to give their approval for release. Or like Will.I.Am who was this forum's golden boy in 2009 for not wanting to give the Estate the instrumentals he worked together with Michael (the Estate has the vocals). In the end he just wanted to release the tracks on his album later, like the greedy scumbag he is. The Estate said no (obviously) so he released some of the songs with his own vocals. Not gonna comment on his quality of production, it's not usually my type. But all in all, he is part of the Thriller legacy with 2 remixes on T25 and I am not. Michael liked his work, even though he allegedly hated remixes, but released 2 of his on T25 instead of some unreleased tracks for the fans. As I said earlier, questionable decisions and PR stunts.

4. Michael was a mess when it comes to being organised. I can't give you the exact source, but I remember reading around here that he forgot about masters of his filmed concerts (which kinda connects to them having only limited material stored on film, e.g. APOM video from the BAD25 docu). So if he was negligent with the concerts, I'm pretty sure there wasn't a difference when it came to songs. It's just that more people had a copy of the songs in this case (engineers, producers, writers). This is where having different mixes for the songs comes in place (I think). I remember him being mad in 2003 for the Escape (song) leak from one of the studio engineers. So keep the faith folks, we might have some undiscovered pre-album mixes of different songs. We also have LaToya(?) allegedly walking out of Michael's house with some hard drives with his work? Dunno what happened to them. But my point still stands. He was totally all over the place with everything he created.

With all this in mind, I'm not saying the Estate is perfect. They made mistakes. There are worse Estates there (e.g. Pop Smoke), or better (e.g. Elvis, Prince), but strictly speaking in this case, I wouldn't want to be in their position of decision making.
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Yeah,true..
 
Dorian said:
Yeah, I sincerely doubt that people didn't exagerate the recording sessions.
Actually, there are more things to take into consideration.

1. Exagerate for PR, since he wanted to keep his "untouchable" image. If you ask me, he might have had some psychic issues such as OCD that led him to make some questionable decisions, but this is not the point. Even though he could've ended some of the rumours regarding him during his lifetime, being misterios was a better PR stunt than addressing them with proper proof. (e.g. marriages, children, health problems, choosing to settle for the 1993 allegations, wearing mask and sunglasses in public - even though it was pretty easy to guess who he was - )

2. He might have written them, but didn't record them or are in a very rough state. (let's take Pop Smoke for example - young rapper that died 2 years ago - his estate released EVERY snippet they could from the vault along with his "biggest" hit on both of his posthumous albums. What did the fans get? 3-4 rough demos merged into one song along with features to completed the song on almost every track. I think to merge songs like HT or IATL and APWNN + a guest feature from some current hot shot like Harry Styles would be cringe as hell). As rough demos we have the WBSS/Beat It/Billie Jean demos from 81. In case of concerts, for Thriller there would obviously be discussions with the J5, so a deal between them is improbable IMO. The 2001 concert from MSG was a once in a life time chance for both of the parties to come together.

3. There might be issues with the people that were linked to the production/recording/mixing of the song. (royalties pay really low, especially in the streaming era, I understand why some producers keep the songs from themselves and chose to go to interviews/have seminars instead of giving them to the Estate. It pays better. I don't buy "It's all for love. I don't want them to touch my songs" bs especially since they decided to showcase the demos along the remixed versions). We have Quincy, who was the main man during the OTW/Thriller/Bad era. If they are on bad terms, I don't expect songs to be approved for release, even if they are in the vault. As morbid as it sounds, some years might have to pass until those who inherit the rights will want to give their approval for release. Or like Will.I.Am who was this forum's golden boy in 2009 for not wanting to give the Estate the instrumentals he worked together with Michael (the Estate has the vocals). In the end he just wanted to release the tracks on his album later, like the greedy scumbag he is. The Estate said no (obviously) so he released some of the songs with his own vocals. Not gonna comment on his quality of production, it's not usually my type. But all in all, he is part of the Thriller legacy with 2 remixes on T25 and I am not. Michael liked his work, even though he allegedly hated remixes, but released 2 of his on T25 instead of some unreleased tracks for the fans. As I said earlier, questionable decisions and PR stunts.

4. Michael was a mess when it comes to being organised. I can't give you the exact source, but I remember reading around here that he forgot about masters of his filmed concerts (which kinda connects to them having only limited material stored on film, e.g. APOM video from the BAD25 docu). So if he was negligent with the concerts, I'm pretty sure there wasn't a difference when it came to songs. It's just that more people had a copy of the songs in this case (engineers, producers, writers). This is where having different mixes for the songs comes in place (I think). I remember him being mad in 2003 for the Escape (song) leak from one of the studio engineers. So keep the faith folks, we might have some undiscovered pre-album mixes of different songs. We also have LaToya(?) allegedly walking out of Michael's house with some hard drives with his work? Dunno what happened to them. But my point still stands. He was totally all over the place with everything he created.

With all this in mind, I'm not saying the Estate is perfect. They made mistakes. There are worse Estates there (e.g. Pop Smoke), or better (e.g. Elvis, Prince), but strictly speaking in this case, I wouldn't want to be in their position of decision making.
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....he did not chose to settle that 1st case! Let's get that straight 1st!
 
i wonder if they will release the "Victory" and "State of Shock" demos he did with freddie....
 
I suggested releasing a song title a day/a week about 5 years ago on an album thread. It's weird to see that in a press release today

Still hoping for Behind The Mask and another new song
 
Beano Wild said:
i wonder if they will release the "Victory" and "State of Shock" demos he did with freddie....
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Very doubtful. Queen hated working with the estate before when they forced them to release a mix of TMBMTLTT that they didn't care for so unlikely they'll be communicating about this. I would love to be wrong though.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Very doubtful. Queen hated working with the estate before when they forced them to release a mix of TMBMTLTT that they didn't care for so unlikely they'll be communicating about this. I would love to be wrong though.
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i mean that was what, 8 years ago since the forever album? id say theres a good chance of at least 1 of those 2 songs will be on the album, most likely state of shock thanks to it being leaked and prev. released.
 
Beano Wild said:
i mean that was what, 8 years ago since the forever album? id say theres a good chance of at least 1 of those 2 songs will be on the album, most likely state of shock thanks to it being leaked and prev. released.
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You could be right, hopefully you are.
 
Beano Wild said:
i wonder if they will release the "Victory" and "State of Shock" demos he did with freddie....
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I highly doubt Brian and Roger will approve of that after Branca closed the door on them 8 years ago.
 
If they said in the announcement it would be 15 extra unheard songs then I’d understand it.

To me, it was clear from the words used that the 15 bonus streaming tracks would be previously released and known edits/mixes… which it is.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
You could be right, hopefully you are.
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a good chance for the set list could involve these songs:

Starlight
Hot Street/SlapStick (both songs too similar to have both on the album together, would be overwhelming for casual fans)
Behind The mask
Trouble
I Never Heard
Nite Line
Victory/State of shock (would be overwhelming to casual fans to have 2 freddie features.)
Chicago 1945 (considering Porcaro didnt want it contemporized, an anniversary would be the best time to release it.)

and maybe 2 remixes.
 
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