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Hess said:
Yetnikof asked if MJ was angry about something with ET - what was that about? Why would MJ be mad? - MJ won a grammy for the ET project, right? Can someone enlighten me please. :)
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They kinda blacklisted the ET project, long story short.
 
Hess said:
I know people like to hate John Branca - but I really enjoy the TikTok videos. They are professionally made, they give info and promote MJ.
So what if it's Branca? - He knew MJ for 20+ years. He was his lawyer, so he probably knew many many things about MJ both personally and professionally.

Yetnikof asked if MJ was angry about something with ET - what was that about? Why would MJ be mad? - MJ won a grammy for the ET project, right? Can someone enlighten me please. :)
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I just hate the fact that instead of there being an official MJ tiktok posting content he's using MJ to get popular on there and then the official MJ Instagram is sharing his tiktoks. Just screams of trying to make it about himself.

(I'd also like to say people have legitimate reasons for disliking him and it's not just a "like to hate" situation at all).
 
SmoothGangsta said:
I just hate the fact that instead of there being an official MJ tiktok posting content he's using MJ to get popular on there and then the official MJ Instagram is sharing his tiktoks. Just screams of trying to make it about himself.

(I'd also like to say people have legitimate reasons for disliking him and it's not just a "like to hate" situation at all).
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He might have some megalomania going on. He wants to put himself in focus. The MJ rain falls on him I guess. But as long as the content is good and professionally done and provides new info, I am OK with that.

I know many has many many reasons to dislike Branca, and not all decisions have been what I wanted. - But that does not make the decision wrong... The only 100% wrong decision was to include the Cascio songs on Michael. - But he is a lawyer and the Cascio family had been close to MJ for many years. So I understand why Branca trusted Cascio - and Branca was tricked and fooled big time. - Is is easy to admit you have released fake songs? NO... It is a major decision. And a huge failure for both SONY and The Estate. Maybe even legal problems too... So as soon as the album was printed and officially released as CD and digitally, it was not easy to remove the songs. - But finally they did. Many years too late I agree. But I also understand why it was not as easy as some fans might want to think, to remove the 3 songs.

But I would like to read/hear more about the E.T. thing. Why did SONY blacklist the project? It did recieve a grammy? I always thought it was a big and succesful project. - Does anyone know more about it? and what was going on between MJ and SONY?
 
Hess said:
But I would like to read/hear more about the E.T. thing. Why did SONY blacklist the project? It did recieve a grammy? I always thought it was a big and succesful project. - Does anyone know more about it? and what was going on between MJ and SONY?
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I'm not sure but I think the reason is because maybe mj didn't want 2 releases at the exact same time on top of otw 1979, triumph 1980, triumph tour 1981 & then thriller 1982-e.t & just like motown released fareware my summer love "1984" & they were dead wrong for doing so. I think he probably felt he was overexposed. Thinking about it now...I can understand why he didn't want to do motown25 & much for Thriller (more short films *lady in my life *cough cough) but that's just my theory
 
Hess said:
I know many has many many reasons to dislike Branca, and not all decisions have been what I wanted. - But that does not make the decision wrong... The only 100% wrong decision was to include the Cascio songs on Michael. - But he is a lawyer and the Cascio family had been close to MJ for many years. So I understand why Branca trusted Cascio - and Branca was tricked and fooled big time
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Also, not wanting to derail the thread too much but, about this. The estate had a really long time to remove the songs before release and had every MJ collaborator and his family telling them that they didn't think it was him. Still went ahead and released them anyway because Branca didn't want to listen and they had paid money for them.

People gotta stop making excuses for them when it comes to this tbh, there's nothing really to "understand" imo, there's just what happened.
 
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2022 has been a good year

- removal of fake songs from Michael
- thriller 40
- sonic fantasy
- thriiler doc
- 2 vids in HD
- Chicago and heaven can wait gaining popularity out of the blue
- MJ musical (debut 2021 but continues to expand)
- 2 leaks

I'm probably forgetting stuff
 
filmandmusic said:
2022 has been a good year

- removal of fake songs from Michael
- thriller 40
- sonic fantasy
- thriiler doc
- 2 vids in HD
- Chicago and heaven can wait gaining popularity out of the blue
- MJ musical (debut 2021 but continues to expand)
- 2 leaks

I'm probably forgetting stuff
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One of the best years since 2014. Hopefully the estate uses this as a jump board for 2023.
 
filmandmusic said:
2022 has been a good year

- removal of fake songs from Michael
- thriller 40
- sonic fantasy
- thriiler doc
- 2 vids in HD
- Chicago and heaven can wait gaining popularity out of the blue
- MJ musical (debut 2021 but continues to expand)
- 2 leaks

I'm probably forgetting stuff
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We also got 2 writer demos, a long snippet leak of GYWOOM, Family Thing in full and the full 1988 demo of Earth Song. It was a good year indeed 😁
 
Hess said:
He might have some megalomania going on. He wants to put himself in focus. The MJ rain falls on him I guess. But as long as the content is good and professionally done and provides new info, I am OK with that.
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I personally hate the dry posthumous social media account "presence" that's just a faceless voice that plugs merchandise and the like. I am okay with having a familiar face. It happens at times, like JD Witherspoon taking over his father John Witherspoon's YouTube. Always adds a more familiar human touch.

Plus, I only made a TikTok to post MJ edits, so why shouldn't Branca be able to?
 
filmandmusic said:
2022 has been a good year

- removal of fake songs from Michael
- thriller 40
- sonic fantasy
- thriiler doc
- 2 vids in HD
- Chicago and heaven can wait gaining popularity out of the blue
- MJ musical (debut 2021 but continues to expand)
- 2 leaks

I'm probably forgetting stuff
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My TikToks 🙏
www.tiktok.com

Jay Tee on TikTok

Maybe we'll get that duet one day#theweeknd #sacrifice #afterhours #mj #dangerous #thriller #bad #atalebyquincy #quincyjones
www.tiktok.com www.tiktok.com
 
Hess said:
But I would like to read/hear more about the E.T. thing. Why did SONY blacklist the project? It did recieve a grammy? I always thought it was a big and succesful project. - Does anyone know more about it? and what was going on between MJ and SONY?
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Taken straight from Wikipedia (Because Knowledge is your Friend):

The E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial audiobook was released by MCA on November 15, 1982 – the same month as Michael Jackson's acclaimed sixth studio album Thriller despite conditions given by Epic Records, Jackson's record label, that it should not be released until after Thriller. As a result, Epic took legal action against MCA which forced the album's withdrawal.

Epic Records allowed Jackson to record the album on two conditions:

MCA Records was not to release E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial until after Christmas 1982. (This was to avoid the audiobook's competing with Jackson's new album, Thriller.)
The song "Someone in the Dark" was not to be released as a single.
MCA Records breached both conditions, releasing the storybook in November 1982 and giving 7-inch promo copies of "Someone in the Dark" to radio stations. After Epic lodged a $2 million lawsuit, MCA Records was forced to withdraw the album and prohibited from releasing "Someone in the Dark" as a single. Epic executives had felt that MCA was misleading members of the public into believing the then-recently released single "The Girl Is Mine" was featured on the storybook album. The plaintiffs further requested that MCA Records be banned from working with Jackson in the future and that any other media owned by MCA featuring the singer be prohibited from release.

Also of note:

As a result of the legal restrictions that prohibited the public release of "Someone in the Dark" as a single, the promo copies which were made have since become one of the singer's rarest and most sought-after records; some have been sold for over $1,600. The song's opening version was later included as a bonus track on the 2001 special edition of Thriller, as well as the box set Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection.

Sources cited in the article as well.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Taken straight from Wikipedia (Because Knowledge is your Friend):

The E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial audiobook was released by MCA on November 15, 1982 – the same month as Michael Jackson's acclaimed sixth studio album Thriller despite conditions given by Epic Records, Jackson's record label, that it should not be released until after Thriller. As a result, Epic took legal action against MCA which forced the album's withdrawal.

Epic Records allowed Jackson to record the album on two conditions:

MCA Records was not to release E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial until after Christmas 1982. (This was to avoid the audiobook's competing with Jackson's new album, Thriller.)
The song "Someone in the Dark" was not to be released as a single.
MCA Records breached both conditions, releasing the storybook in November 1982 and giving 7-inch promo copies of "Someone in the Dark" to radio stations. After Epic lodged a $2 million lawsuit, MCA Records was forced to withdraw the album and prohibited from releasing "Someone in the Dark" as a single. Epic executives had felt that MCA was misleading members of the public into believing the then-recently released single "The Girl Is Mine" was featured on the storybook album. The plaintiffs further requested that MCA Records be banned from working with Jackson in the future and that any other media owned by MCA featuring the singer be prohibited from release.

Also of note:

As a result of the legal restrictions that prohibited the public release of "Someone in the Dark" as a single, the promo copies which were made have since become one of the singer's rarest and most sought-after records; some have been sold for over $1,600. The song's opening version was later included as a bonus track on the 2001 special edition of Thriller, as well as the box set Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection.

Sources cited in the article as well.
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I didn't know any of this stuff. It's massively irritating. I can understand MCA not liking either of the conditions. They would certainly want to catch the Christmas market for the audiobook. So, I get it. Kind of. But they did agree (presumably?) to the conditions so they should have just sucked it up. The irony is, if they had just waited, they most probably would have benefited from the Thriller phenomenon. I know nobody could have known what was going to happen. And I get that the two projects are quite different. But still, with the benefit of hindsight, it seems extra crazy.

What was MCA thinking? (rhetorical question, I'm just venting, lol)
 
ChanceToDance said:
I can't help but focus on MJ wearing a samurai armor seconds before your timestamp lmao
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I wonder what the date of that particular show is. I'm sure it's not the same show we've been seeing & I wonder why we don't have any real tour footage of him with onstage camera. I've seen many shots like this on the victory tour but not so much bad leg 2-history97.
 
Agonum said:
Oh, Quincy’s on there! (5:43) 👍

How long is the full documentary supposed to be?
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This was a Japanese doc. Not sure how long the original is but...I would rather have the "bad: on the road documentary. The one mj was working on, reason why we have that studio footage in bad25. Those sessions were not real that we seen. Mj recreated it for the doc & the reason I've come to that conclusion is because if you take a look at the real session photos, mj was never dressed, had make up full par, or anything & he looked 88 more than 85-87....I think I might be right lol!
 
I just checked the Billboard 200 and Thriller dropped to number 17. All the albums of Christmas standards are climbing up again (e.g. Mariah, Bing Crosby, etc.)

Well, we tried...
 
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