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Oh now you agree but when I say it you challenge me. :lol:
Would you just get over it?
And no thats not exactly what uve been saying.
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Would you just get over it?
And no thats not exactly what uve been saying.
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I disagree with that. In everything there is cause and effect. The media is right in the centre of it all. People don't just get mentally ill, it takes something to trigger it off. The media has been hounding this girl for a long time now, just like they hounded MJ and Diana. Diana also had a mental illness not unlike Britney's. MJ was strong, he had a strong family bond and the love and support from friends and fand, This girl seems to have noone.
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People dont get bipolar disorder because of the media. If that was the case then everyone thats a celebrity would have that.
I dont get why on earth some fans want to have someone to blame for things like this. Ill never ever understand that.
Yes I know she's mentally ill, but don't you agree then she should be hospitalized or something (and more than just for a few hours) so her condition could be taken care of and not going out and about giving paps what they are after for?
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Another clear case of you not reading my posts properly because um yeah thats exactly what Ive been saying.
Get over what exactly? You're blind sightedness?:lol:
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Another clear case of you not reading my posts properly because um yeah thats exactly what Ive been saying.
Get over what exactly? You're blind sightedness?:lol:
Uve got me. I dont read ur posts. Happy now? lol
Now can u move on to something else? lol
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Ummm.....neither would I! :lol:
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Yes, Britney needs care and attention and a LOT of love. The girl has been crying out for attention for many years now. When she married that friend and divorce hin the same day, that was a warning sign that something is wrong. Celebrity is sometimes a very lonely place to be. Not everyone is designed to cope with that type of attention. Princess Diana has serious mental disorder that nobody knew about. She too wasn't prepared for the media attention that she was getting. Many celebs kill themselves, some turn to drinks and drugs to cope with it. What Britney needs is space and time and she doesn't need the media in her face 24/7.
Taking her children away from her was also not a good idea. that was bound to make her situation worse. Poor girl.
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The woman treating Britney Spears is -- thankfully -- being praised by her colleagues for her compassion and her credentials.
Dr. Deborah Nadel is "an excellent clinician and an excellent psychiatrist," says Harold Young, Clinical Director at the Maple Counseling Center in Beverly Hills, to People.
Board certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology, Nadel graduated from University of California Medical School in San Francisco 18 years ago, and she did her residency at UCLA, records show.
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Dr. Deborah Nadel is "an excellent clinician and an excellent psychiatrist," says Harold Young, Clinical Director at the Maple Counseling Center in Beverly Hills, to People.
Board certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology, Nadel graduated from University of California Medical School in San Francisco 18 years ago, and she did her residency at UCLA, records show.
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Being locked up in the psych ward won't keep Britney from getting her fast food fix! Her manservant, Sam Lutfi, dropped by with some In-N-Out for the popwreck.
On the long walk to and from his car at UCLA Medical Center, Sam was bombarded with questions by TMZ. He said Britney is doing "good" and that he doesn't speak to Lynne Spears at all -- and denies that he argued with Brit's father, Jamie.
As TMZ first reported, an all-out war over Britney erupted early Thursday morning when she was committed -- with Sam reportedly fighting with Brit's family over who would control her treatment. As of now, her parents are in the driver's seat.
http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1399286249
On the long walk to and from his car at UCLA Medical Center, Sam was bombarded with questions by TMZ. He said Britney is doing "good" and that he doesn't speak to Lynne Spears at all -- and denies that he argued with Brit's father, Jamie.
As TMZ first reported, an all-out war over Britney erupted early Thursday morning when she was committed -- with Sam reportedly fighting with Brit's family over who would control her treatment. As of now, her parents are in the driver's seat.
http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1399286249
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I think this Sam/her parents thing is gonna do Britney more harm than good. Sam should have NO say so about her treatment options what-so-ever.
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I agree from what Ive read that he's causing nothing but trouble but can someone explain to me who exactly he is and why he is involved? I know he had legal papers from Brits saying he has control over medical decisions and Brits parents were very pissed about that but now the hospital is working with the parents.
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Well as far as im aware and by what ive seen and heard he started out as her friend along with that Alli person but now hes calling himself her 'manager'.
I didnt know he had legal papers? Omg...Surely she didnt give him power of attorney? I certainly HOPE not for her sake.I think hes as dangerous as Adnan is. He just seems to be sliming his way into her life just for the fact of being there. But by what u and i have been posting it seems like Britney is letting him do it by telling her mom to 'shut up' when she tries to counteract what Sam does.
Ugh this whole situation is a total mess. I wish Lynne would do what she says and take Britney back to Louisiana with her for awaile to get her away from Sam and Adnan - maybe then she would come back a whole new person and get her kids back? One can only hope.
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I wish she had someone in her life that really cared about her.
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Well as far as im aware and by what ive seen and heard he started out as her friend along with that Alli person but now hes calling himself her 'manager'.
I think hes as dangerous as Adnan is. He just seems to be sliming his way into her life just for the fact of being there. But by what u and i have been posting it seems like Britney is letting him do it by telling her mom to 'shut up' when she tries to counteract what Sam does.
Ugh this whole situation is a total mess. I wish Lynne would do what she says and take Britney back to Louisiana with her for awaile to get her away from Sam and Adnan - maybe then she would come back a whole new person and get her kids back? One can only hope.
In the interview with The Insider, Adnan was blaming Sam for Brits recent troubles.
Where is Adnan in all this? I heard Brits call for him once on a video that was after the interview he did so they were still talking but I havent heard anything about him since Brits was committed.
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I hope she gets the help she needs and sam should just out of it.
Her parents are the ones thar should have their say on her medical decisions
not sam. there's my 3 cents
Her parents are the ones thar should have their say on her medical decisions
not sam. there's my 3 cents
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Roxanne
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actually that was a very good idea as she could easily harm them without even realizing it.
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most cases of ppl with a mental illness have a family history of mental illnesses.
also the abuse of drugs and alcohol have a lot to do with that too
if she wasnt famous she would be in the same place right now
maybe ur right and the media had sth to do with some of her breakdowns etc but they're certainly not in the centre of it all. many infamous ppl like u and me get mentally ill everyday.
nobody notice them cuz they're not celebs like britney.
also, i'd like to remind u that the media had always been positive towards her until the day she started having probs and she started acting odd. maybe the media made her mental situation worse but even if they were totally positive towards her she'd be where she is right now. in the psychiatric clinic getting a mental evaluation...
i do feel sorry for her and i do wish her well of course but i cant ignore the fact that she brought it all to herself. u dont go crazy cuz u got paps hounding u and tabloids talking trash about u. tabloids talk trash about everyone. its their job. every friggin hollywood celeb is being hounded by paps all the time. not just brit. so why she went crazy and noboyd else ?
its like this: some infamous ppl (like u and me) dont go crazy some do (like jannut lol)
some famous ppl dont go crazy and some do
celeb are humans just like us. they can get sick both physically and mentally just like us
bipolar disorder is a mental illness just like cancer is a physical illness
if she had cancer we wouldnt blame the media would we ? so why blame it now that she has a mental illness ? i'm a psychology student and i can safely tell u that u can get bipolar disorder even if ur the happiest person alive with no troubles whatsoever
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Roxanne, many people are prone to mental illness. because of genes of trama in their childhood or whatever, however, these people could manage very well until there is a trigger to send them off the edge. Some of the things that can trigger such illness is the feeling of worthlessness,self loathing, low self-esteem, and lack of love. If you are sailing high in the charts you get a lot of people who just want you for what you can give them, that can be a trigger. If you are constantly critcised by fans or media, that too can be a trigger, also If you feel that the man you love only wants you for your money. Anything could have triggered this type of behaviour and send her over the edge. The media has exaserbated her problem, and when she cut her hair in public, that was when someone should have come right in there and grabbed hold of her and give her some love. That was a cry for help. Nobody did a damn thing, we left her at the mercies of the hyenas and we laughed at her.
We should be ashamed of ourselved. WE watched this poor girl having a melt down in a public place and none of us tried to do anything about it. How do we know how those pictures that the paps took and distributed around the world, without her permission, have affected her self esteem, we will never know. :huh:
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The only thing ive heard so far about Adnan is that he rode with Lynne Spears to the hospital to see Britney when she arrived.
Okay right now on tv at this moment they are saying that Britney is now in the hands of DOCTORS, not Sam or Lynne. So thats a GOOD THING!
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yes i think u got a great point there however this kind of mental illness cannot be cured by love alone not even in its first stages. there are ppl who suffer from depression (which is a very light mental illness comparing to bipolar disorder) and no matter how much love they get they're still depressed. i think ppl confuse mental illnesses with common breakdowns etc
we all get depressed from time to time but actually suffering from depression on a regular basis and not being able to enjoy ur life however perfect it might be is a totally different thing. we all have our "crazy" moments etc but we're not mentally ill. i agree with u to an extent when u say "the media pushed her over the edge" and that "we dont know how things have affected her". thats true.
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You guys are both right... there can be very well a trigger like huge stress (btw no matter if positive or negative, example positive: birth of a long wanted child, example negative: break of marriage), but there doesn't have to be a trigger always to detect mental illness.
There can be some kind of family history of mental illnesses but there doesn't have to be.
You always have to do some kind of anamnesis with your client when you really want to know what you're talking about. Good psychiatrists and good psychologists refuse from speculating in public if they did not even talk with their patient/client at least cuz it's simply nonsense, means without any meaning, or better reliability. Ppl who do, well it's just poor attention seeking conduct of greedy ppl, nothing else.
We don't know what's going on between Britney, her family, her ex-husband, her manager or whomever... but yeah guess it's fun to just talk about it.
Yeah ppl speculate just for the fun. As if the world doesn't know real problems effecting everybodies life truely.
There can be some kind of family history of mental illnesses but there doesn't have to be.
You always have to do some kind of anamnesis with your client when you really want to know what you're talking about. Good psychiatrists and good psychologists refuse from speculating in public if they did not even talk with their patient/client at least cuz it's simply nonsense, means without any meaning, or better reliability. Ppl who do, well it's just poor attention seeking conduct of greedy ppl, nothing else.
We don't know what's going on between Britney, her family, her ex-husband, her manager or whomever... but yeah guess it's fun to just talk about it.
Yeah ppl speculate just for the fun. As if the world doesn't know real problems effecting everybodies life truely.
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Are you serious? Be ashamed come on? Brits is the one at fault here as well as all the people around her....not the rest of the world!!!
And what did you expect anyone to do? Run up to her and say, "Hey you're gonna be committed so you be get to the doctor and get help!" She and everyone else would think we we're the ones who need to be committed.
Besides Brits LOVES the paps and the attention. She asks for it most of the time and talks to the paps so casually and calls the 'baby'.
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Jamie and Lynne Spears are heading in to an L.A. County Courtroom to establish a conservatorship over their daughter.
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A Los Angeles court commissioner has placed Britney Spears and her estate under temporary conservatorship.
That means her financial assets and other holdings will be managed by a conservator -- the conservators are Jamie Spears and attorney Andrew Wallet.
The judge did not appoint a conservator to make medical decisions on behalf of Brit because the necessary paperwork was not filed.
As for the conservatorship that was filed -- it is only temporary -- until Monday.
A conservatorship is created when it is deemed that a person cannot care for themselves or handle his or her own affairs.
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That means her financial assets and other holdings will be managed by a conservator -- the conservators are Jamie Spears and attorney Andrew Wallet.
The judge did not appoint a conservator to make medical decisions on behalf of Brit because the necessary paperwork was not filed.
As for the conservatorship that was filed -- it is only temporary -- until Monday.
A conservatorship is created when it is deemed that a person cannot care for themselves or handle his or her own affairs.
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Have you ever heard the saying, "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing?" Mental illness is serious, and if Britney does have a mental illness and everybody just stood aside and watched it happen, that makes it even worse. It's like watching someone having a seizure, or passing out from diabetes, and doing nothing to help them. Those people were, in a way, enabling Britney to get sick.
Just because someone's famous, doesn't mean that they're not a human being.
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Oh because we're all qualified medical experts that can determine these things from the outside looking in are we? And nobody would be able to get into her circle anyway. Plus if Brits isnt listening to her family, the why would she listen to some stranger? Nothing we could do would have helped her. Who are you kidding?
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How can you blame someone for their actions when they are mentally ill?:mello:
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If enough of us had written oin or phone in and prtest when the media was making fun of her, instead of condemning her actions, the media would have thought twice about prolonging her agony. It can be done. When Frank Bruno was ill and had to go to hospital, the daily mail wrote a piece, makinf fun of him. There was a national outcry and the media withdrew the piece and appologised to Frank Bruno. The people of America should have done something a long tiime age, esp when the paps took that picture of her private and plastered it all over the world's media. This child was sick, and they took pictures of her private and showed the whole world.What a sick people we have become.
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Well we certainly arent at fault here. The ppl who should have done something earlier is her family and the ppl in her inner circle.
Source: TMZ