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the nanny Grace Rawaramba

we all know why the Jacksons hate Grace.. they claim she is the one that kept Michael far away from his family. I dont buy this because if Michael wanted to see his family he could have done that, plus we have his bodyguards from Vegas saying MJ never saw his family and how Randy also crashed his car into the gates of MJs home...

thats the reason to why karen faye also hates Grace. she says Grace controlled and drugged Michael and didnt let anyone see him. she says Mike was so afraid of Grace that he secretly used to call her without Grace knowledge.. Karen also said once that Grace is into black magic and when Mj passed, she started to perform voodoo at Hayvenhurst which literally freaked everyone out. Apparanly, LaToya never felt secure and safe with Grace around the house because she could see Grace sneaking around the property and eavesdrop on the familymembers... these are Karens words LOL

karen also hates Raymone Bain and she accuses her as well from controlling Michael.. (funny that since her buddy Randy recently was pictured together with Raymone)

These are karens thoughts about Michaels kids being raised by the Grace and the Jacksons.. for once, I agree with her ;)
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what is weird here for me @thrill is that karen faye is hated by alot, and here she is believed? for me thats 2 ways..

We dont know the insides of the fam believe there? Is there a interview by them after michael died about this subject?

And me personally read the messages of karen 3 times, and i still dont get what she is trying to say. but thats prob me.
 
Ingelief said:
what is weird here for me @thrill is that karen faye is hated by alot, and here she is believed? for me thats 2 ways..

We dont know the insides of the fam believe there? Is there a interview by them after michael died about this subject?

And me personally read the messages of karen 3 times, and i still dont get what she is trying to say. but thats prob me.
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im not saying Karen is correct. You and others have asked why some ppl dont like her and what happened and why was she fired.. and I just gave a story about why the Jacksons dont like her. It is no secret that the Jacksons accuse Grace for controlling Mike. we all know that they think that.

i also mentioned Karen because she has probably been brainwashed by the jacksons about these stories about grace being into black magic. she said that LaToya told her this. we dont know if Karen tells the truth or not.

there are no definite interview where they accuse her and name her but they have talked about shady people who didnt had his best interest close to him and trust me, they think grace is one of these ppl. we also have the roger friedman articles from 2006/2007 where a Jackson source (probably Randy) accused Grace for controlling him.
 
considering grace is such an OTT christian or claims to be i hardly doubt shes into black magic. sound like a good bit of Xenophobia from those with agendas
 
There's so many shady people that were around MJ including his own fam.

The Grace interview from 2009 with Daphne Barak is hard to find completely though. I never seen the whole thing. I only seen a report about it showing a part where Grace says she loves the kids like they were her own because she raised then since they were babies. The rest of the report has a voice over saying that Grace said she had to pump MJ stomach that was full of pills once. o_O

Funny how they never showed that clip if she actually said that?! All I know is that she denied ever saying that and said that how would she know how to pump anyone's stomach? Unless they meant that she said that comment off camera? If not I believe that they are B.Sing on Grace about things she said on that interview?

By the way is Grace on the witness list?
 
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noirnoar said:
I am not going to provide link, it takes too long to search, and I am sure you can find it some info in all for love blogs, and mj-777, and other blogs, if not on yt or vimeo.
search Grace Rwaramba and Daphne Barak interview. I heard the whole interview last year, hope some is still there.

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Grace has proved to be very foolish woman, heard that from other sources who have actually met her. Probably she is likable, but also I have heard stories, from other nannies who have worked with MJJ, and had seen her in action, this woman is anything but professional.

No one is expected to work for free, but when you happened to work for so many years for the same boss for over 20 years, sometimes you go extra mile to help him. I have worked for my team for free, and my salary was damn high. Because of extraordinary circumstances I was willing to sacrifice for the sake of the project and the future of company, and my team. I worked for my boss only for 6years when decided to help him, and didn't live on his house, never been on his house, never ever enjoyed the luxury, never had chauffeur to drive me around, never took me to the trip or vacation. And too, I had bills to pay, since I own the house and the car. Everything is not about money, but about mutual success, and help a person in need.
Whilst Grace lived on MJJ's house, and accompanied him around the world, and many times, she was seen as MJJ's escort on important events, she could have at least understand MJJ's situation, but I guess, she failed the test. She was acting like a nanny you hire from agency, no string attached. And that part made me sad.
I am surprised with her. After that interview with Daphne Barak, I couldn't believe, that money was an issue for her to comeback, for crying out loud, she was living on the same house, not that she had to pay rent or something. If she had bills to pay, I am sure Michael would have helped her. It is obvious he needed people around him, who wouldn't see him as f#$%ng walking ATM machine, but as a friend, a human being, a single father who loved his children very much.
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How did you get to see the whole interview? I have only seen short clips. I would very much like to see the whole interview.
 
Diplomate said:
To know the truth, the best would be to have the full interview.

I don't know why they never released the full interview of Grace. Trash MJ is so bankable, and even if she doesn't trash him, since the 25june, interview with people who were around him are very bankable.




I would like to see THE FULL interview.
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LAPD has all the tapes
 
virginia_woolf said:
yes

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justnat said:
Grace is on the list:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/115271-Possible-witnesses-Information-and-Discussion
However, this is the list of potential witnesses and people who might be mentioned. As far as I understand, this means that she is not necessary the potential witness but might be mentioned during someone's else testimony.
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Thanks people! ;) Many names on the list and I did not notice the name of Grace there. :doh:
 
jrsfan said:
How did you get to see the whole interview? I have only seen short clips. I would very much like to see the whole interview.
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Someone posted on internet the whole interview, in 2009 (the title I think was uncensored, raw footage). It was not on Daphne Barak website, though.
I wish, I did recorded the whole interview...unfortunately...I didn't.
Bear in mind the interview is copyrighted, and very well is possible that was taken down due to infringement.


All I can say, that Grace did (at least to me) sound like a foolish woman. Grace should have known ( being with Michael all those years should have taught her something) how media can be cruel, and she should have been more careful with choosing her words. I mean she compared love and raising of Michael kids like caring of the cow, something like that. (yes cow, domestic animal). There are people who do love cows, but they send the animals to slaughter house. Why she used cows to make her point, beats me.

I mean Michael kids, they weren't pets, animals, or cows, but human beings, with needs.
Seriously, she came across really like the most foolish woman out there. She talked about trial, and her stupid thoughts, well she was paid for interview, dirt was included on the tab. Sad, really sad.

If my memory serves, the whole interview was boring, detached, cold. Grace wouldn't sit straight on the chair, she would move around, move her hands. Looking very disoriented, her voice/eyes were half sleepy (like she was seducing Daphne) :lol:

I don't know why Michael kept her around for so many years, she sounded far far from intelligent educated woman, as some do claim her to be.

If she testifies, I bet it will be very interesting. Not because of what she knows, as much as how she is going to word the answers.


@ other users:
Trashing MJJ was bankable when MJJ was alive, now its just pathetical. Trashing a dead man, is not entertaining, anymore

Regard Grace, and black magic, please she is christian. Only because she is from Africa, doesn't mean she is into woodoo stuff, and that is exactly what people are hinting.
Karen and Latoya are not reliable. They do say a lot just for the sake of publicity...Karen kept her distance when MJJ was alive, when he died, she unleashed herself like a mad dog...
Latoya, no comment.
 
noirnoar said:
Someone posted on internet the whole interview, in 2009 (the title I think was uncensored, raw footage). It was not on Daphne Barak website, though.
I wish, I did recorded the whole interview...unfortunately...I didn't.
Bear in mind the interview is copyrighted, and very well is possible that was taken down due to infringement.


All I can say, that Grace did (at least to me) sound like a foolish woman. Grace should have known ( being with Michael all those years should have taught her something) how media can be cruel, and she should have been more careful with choosing her words. I mean she compared love and raising of Michael kids like caring of the cow, something like that. (yes cow, domestic animal). There are people who do love cows, but they send the animals to slaughter house. Why she used cows to make her point, beats me.

I mean Michael kids, they weren't pets, animals, or cows, but human beings, with needs.
Seriously, she came across really like the most foolish woman out there. She talked about trial, and her stupid thoughts, well she was paid for interview, dirt was included on the tab. Sad, really sad.

If my memory serves, the whole interview was boring, detached, cold. Grace wouldn't sit straight on the chair, she would move around, move her hands. Looking very disoriented, her voice/eyes were half sleepy (like she was seducing Daphne) :lol:

I don't know why Michael kept her around for so many years, she sounded far far from intelligent educated woman, as some do claim her to be.

If she testifies, I bet it will be very interesting. Not because of what she knows, as much as how she is going to word the answers.
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Damn, I wanted to watch the full interview. Thanks for the short summary.
 
maral said:
she actually implied he was guilty? what did she say?
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I want to watch the full interview just for that. I don't understand, if some peole saw this interview, why we can't now see the full interview? No leak nothing. It's strange.
 
Diplomate said:
I want to watch the full interview just for that. I don't understand, if some peole saw this interview, why we can't now see the full interview? No leak nothing. It's strange.
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it just seams strange. because 1, if she said that the media would be ALL over it and 2 why would she work for him if she thought so.......
 
I doubt she ment she thought he was guilty just thought their could have been a chance of conviction.
 
maral said:
it just seams strange. because 1, if she said that the media would be ALL over it and 2 why would she work for him if she thought so.......
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She's just another money-grabbing evil person!
 
Depends on how she said it like i said.most wont be surprised if murray gets off.diesnt mean we think hes innocent.didnt tito say they thought he might be convicted.anywy who cares what she said.more money for juicier comments
 
Aanother thing that Karen Faye has told was that Grace was blackmailing the Jackson family and that Katherine was afraid to fire her.

According to Karen, Grace had threathened the family that if they let her go, she would go to the press and say she had seen MJ doing the things he was accused for.

Karen also told fans that Grace was threathening Katherine over money. Apparantly, Katherine had not filed any tax or registered any moeny for IRS in years and Grace had threathened she would call IRS if Katherine fired her.

Just be aware, these are Karen Fayes words and she said this arount fall 2009 after Grace , to fans dismay, was back in the picture. I dont know if Karen just made all this up because she hates Grace.. OR that the Jackson family actually have said these things to her.
 
It is my opinion that KF is incapable of telling the truth and if and when she does it usually something that
should never be made public anyway... She is a known GOSSIP not to be trusted. Her words are destructive
and lack character

Prov 17: 27 The one who has knowledge uses words with restraint, and whoever has understanding is
even-tempered. Even fools are thought wise if they keep silent be discerning and they hold their tongues
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qbee said:
It is my opinion that KF is incapable of telling the truth
and if and when she does it usually somhing that should
never be made public any way... She is a known GOSSIP
not to be trust. a Gossip is lacks character

Prov 17: 27 The one who has knowledge uses words with restraint, and
whoever has understanding is even-tempered. Even fools are thought
wise if they keep silent and discerning and they hold their tongues
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:agree:
 
qbee said:
It is my opinion that KF is incapable of telling the truth and if and when she does it usually something that
should never be made public anyway... She is a known GOSSIP not to be trusted. Her words are destructive
and lack character

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Totally agree. She has seriously lost the plot since mj died
 
qbee said:
It is my opinion that KF is incapable of telling the truth and if and when she does it usually something that
should never be made public anyway... She is a known GOSSIP not to be trusted. Her words are destructive
and lack character

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True. I can't believe people still quote her as someone who's legit and a good source. I also can't believe thousands of so called "MJ Fans" hold on to her every word.
 
I can't believe some fans believe all the BS of Karen Faye 0_o
 
Thrill said:
im not saying Karen is correct. You and others have asked why some ppl dont like her and what happened and why was she fired.. and I just gave a story about why the Jacksons dont like her. It is no secret that the Jacksons accuse Grace for controlling Mike. we all know that they think that.

i also mentioned Karen because she has probably been brainwashed by the jacksons about these stories about grace being into black magic. she said that LaToya told her this. we dont know if Karen tells the truth or not.

there are no definite interview where they accuse her and name her but they have talked about shady people who didnt had his best interest close to him and trust me, they think grace is one of these ppl. we also have the roger friedman articles from 2006/2007 where a Jackson source (probably Randy) accused Grace for controlling him.
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I dont think ive heared about the roger friedman articles, or maybe i have but dont remember the name. Its assuming she is among the people they were talking about, so maybe thats to gray to make a statement like that, thats how i see it then..
what is been said in the articles i dont know now.. you said its no secret and you also said there is no interview i found those comments a contrast. but later than 2006 grace still worked for michael and the kids right? so if randy was saying that michael didnt do anything about it, this can mean 2 things or he was ok with it or it was not the true and another reason was why michael saw his fam less

@elusive what is OTT?
 
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