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The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

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Ashtanga said:
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When was that ?
How dares she ??!! She says again " we will never kow the truth " - meaning did he or did he not molest the kids. How dare she ???!!
I can not believe it. She allways thought he was guilty.
I can"t stand her , I really can"t.
 
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That Oprah B.S clip was during the time she was gettin ready to air her lame ass tribute too MJ by re-airing the interview she did of him in 93. I seriously can't stand this bitch. She always told her members of her audience to read and she can't even bother to read things that acquits MJ so SHE CAN KNOW he did nothing wrong. Fans even E-mailed her to have people like T-mez and Aprodite Jones on her show with no luck. This women simply don't give a flying F*CK about the truth. Let her stay ignorant! Glad she is off the air!
 
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I would like to ask...but I am almost afraid to hear the answers..
Is there anybody that maybe...still believes that our dear MJ is...alive..? Maybe I am a lunatic but my hope is still alive.
I can"t let go.
 
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All I'm gonnna say is that u don't even have to be a "beLIEver" to watch these videos. Watching many vids from people like LunaJo67, MJFanFOREVERYAndADAY and MsFlyingFairy and reading and seeing other stuff I came across, go beyond MJ and June 25th. Is far more bigger then MJ death...after 3 yrs I see that clearly now. I think they do too, which is the root to why they do what they do in my opinion.
 
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bluetopez said:
All I'm gonnna say is that u don't even have to be a "beLIEver" to watch these videos. Watching many vids from people like LunaJo67, MJFanFOREVERYAndADAY and MsFlyingFairy and reading and seeing other stuff I came across, go beyond MJ and June 25th. Is far more bigger then MJ death...after 3 yrs I see that clearly now. I think they do too, which is the root to why they do what they do in my opinion.
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I also think that way. The whole thing goes much further. Still have a lot of shit in the middle of this story (poor Michael! :( *big sigh*) and the truth about what happened is in the midst of it all.... somewhere. But I doubt that one day we will know the truth. o___O
 
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^^ W Wondering what did you think interesting about this particular video as far as the hoax goes. It's Taaj Malick and she is not a believer. She is a Branca and MJJC hater though and she is attcking Ivy, Gaz and MJJC on her website and on twitter right now.She states we were involved with the hack on Sony but then we also work for Sony and Branca LOL
 
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Really!!!!! ...many applogies for my ignorance, I did not know who or what the utuber was, .....just thought it may be of interest here to some.

You can see my naivety now!...(blush)

please feel free to remover it if you see fit! ;)

ps... thats a shame though to hear of such division going on!
 
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No Im not upset :better:- I was just wondering what you see in the video and how did you think it relates to the hoax
. I was confused.
 
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Thats funny I got this message sent...



^^ Wondering what did you think interesting about this particular video as far as the hoax goes. It's Taaj Malick and she is not a believer in any way shape or form. She is a Branca and MJJC hater though and she is attcking Ivy, Gaz and MJJC on her website and on twitter right now. She is also stating we were involed in the hacking of Sony. She has accused me of working for Sony. She like many on youtube including belivers do not allow anyone to challenge what she states. No dialouge only insults and attacks if you question her or prove her to be in error.
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Are staff able to remove whole posts? i have seen it before where the whole post is gone and something different is there!




To answer your question, I did not know where else to put it? I dont have an opinion on it really, or i probably would have added it in the first post with the video. I have already forgotten what exactly was in it... and dont have time to re watch it now, but seeing as they talk about inconsistancies in Micheals death here, I thought it might shed some light or interest to some who venture in here! ;)

I must admit though, I did think the site I added later that I found linked at the bottom of the Utube video was intersting, particuarly the first video on that page. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsJcln_6GVQ&feature=player_embedded ) But I have not gone into them all yet.
 
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bluetopez said:
All I'm gonnna say is that u don't even have to be a "beLIEver" to watch these videos. Watching many vids from people like LunaJo67, MJFanFOREVERYAndADAY and MsFlyingFairy and reading and seeing other stuff I came across, go beyond MJ and June 25th. Is far more bigger then MJ death...after 3 yrs I see that clearly now. I think they do too, which is the root to why they do what they do in my opinion.
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I agree.
There is so much stuff that we can speculate. This ocupies my mind so much..so many informations.
There is one video on YT that shows two MJ"s bodyguards congratulating eachothere in front of the hospital...you know...like ppl do when they do a good job or something. Absolutely very strange. I will try to find it.
 
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Yes. I find it almost impossible ...all those slip ups from his own family , like " the airport " Jermaine mixing the lyrics that completely changed the meaning of " Smile "...his own father dying of laughter on the funeral....????!!!! I man , really.
And those two , it was like " hell , man , we pulled it off ! "
Michael was well aware of all the evil work in music industry for a long , long time. He spoke about it without fear. He was trying to expose it , but of course - he had to be shut down.
Like I once said - or he was killed :( :( ( which is so evil and deeply well planned ) or he got out knowing the risk. Or Murray was payed to kill him...what is 4 years ? Nothing.
I just can not imagine Michael filling himself with propofol with his three kids downstairs. No f******* way. That is what media wants us to think. No , thank you.
 
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Miche said:
Thats funny I got this message sent...


Are staff able to remove whole posts? i have seen it before where the whole post is gone and something different is there!




To answer your question, I did not know where else to put it? I dont have an opinion on it really, or i probably would have added it in the first post with the video. I have already forgotten what exactly was in it... and dont have time to re watch it now, but seeing as they talk about inconsistancies in Micheals death here, I thought it might shed some light or interest to some who venture in here! ;)

I must admit though, I did think the site I added later that I found linked at the bottom of the Utube video was intersting, particuarly the first video on that page. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsJcln_6GVQ&feature=player_embedded ) But I have not gone into them all yet.
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Yes mods/staff are allowed to delete or edit post that are againt MJJC rules or policy.
but that post above was mine I was editing it but my browser froze so the original must have went out before I finished. I removed the link from Your post becuase it is from Taaj malicks website and Gaz will not allow it to be promoted here becuase of her constant attcks on him and MJJC . but the video above is allowed. Sorry for the confusion. I hope that clears up the mystery :)
 
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The Healer said:
I just can not imagine Michael filling himself with propofol with his three kids downstairs. No f******* way.
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Me too. -_- To me that is completely out of the question. I really do not believe it. I'm pretty sure Michael would not do such a thing. He knew all the risks. Fact! He never put his life at risk. Never!
 
I don’t believe Michael knew all the risk and he was a chronic insomniac. Remember MJ told Nurse Cheryl Lynn Lee that “doctors have told me I will be safe as long as I am monitored” and as David Walgren said Michael Jackson was not reckless. He wanted Propofol but he also wanted trained medical doctor’s eyes on him while he slept.
 
Victory22;3623044 said:
I don’t believe Michael knew all the risk and he was a chronic insomniac. Remember MJ told Nurse Cheryl Lynn Lee that “doctors have told me I will be safe as long as I am monitored” and as David Walgren said Michael Jackson was not reckless. He wanted Propofol but he also wanted trained medical doctor’s eyes on him while he slept.
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Are you serious? :blink: You heard these words from the mouth of Michael? :blink: People can not be so naive and believe blindly what others are saying: "Michael told me that....", "Michael begged for propofol..." and bla bla bla.... WTF?? :wtf: :doh: The man is not here to say anything and Michael was not stupid. People can not be naive. Obviously Michael knew much about propofol and other drugs and knew all the risks, so he would be not crazy to put their life at risk knowing that something could go wrong at any moment. Propofol is an anesthetic, is not a medicine to help you sleep. :unsure: Oh :eek:, maybe Michael was so naive that he did not know it. :doh: Poor Michael, soooooooooooo naive. :smilerolleyes: :sigh: Michael knew that for sure. -_- Something happened... we'll never know.... the whole truth is far from our eyes and believe it will never be revealed. :( Not only is Murray, much more. This is what I believe. -_- And... sorry, I refuse to believe that Michael knew nothing, was completely naive and bla bla bla.... -_-
 
I don’t believe Michael was either naive or following blindly what he was told. I believe that Michael had lots of SAFE experience being put under with Propofol over the years for surgeries and possibly for sleep on one of his tours. Michael however was not a medically trained professional so his sense of security concerning this drug was misplaced as well as his trust in Dr. Murray and other physicians.
 
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Michael died because of the negligence of Conrad Murray. Specifically, he left Michael unattended and without proper monitoring equipment in an environment that wasn't adequate for the administration of anaesthesia. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that anything else happened, be it that he was murdered as part of some vast conspiracy or that he faked his death.
 
Victory22;3623088 said:
I don’t believe Michael was either naive or following blindly what he was told. I believe that Michael had lots of SAFE experience being put under with Propofol over the years for surgeries and possibly for sleep on one of his tours. Michael however was not a medically trained professional so his sense of security concerning this drug was misplaced as well as his trust in Dr. Murray and other physicians.
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The question is exactly that: Propofol is anesthetic used in surgical procedures. It is not medicine to help sleep. :wtf: Obviously he knew it. It's completely crazy to believe that Michael knew.... and would put his life at risk. :unsure: But OK... Maybe Michael was really very naive. :fear: Now it's too late to try to understand all the shit that happened that day. *big sigh*
 
Ashtanga;3623098 said:
The question is exactly that: Propofol is anesthetic used in surgical procedures. It is not medicine to help sleep. :wtf: Obviously he knew it. It's completely crazy to believe that Michael knew.... and would put his life at risk. :unsure: But OK... Maybe Michael was really very naive. :fear: Now it's too late to try to understand all the shit that happened that day. *big sigh*
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As said earlier I don’t believe Michael was naive or consciously putting his life in danger by using Propofol. I think he’d used it on many other occasions monitored by doctors for sleep and for surgery. He was lulled into a false sense of security about the potential risk. I blame Murray and whoever the first doctor was who gave him Propofol as a sleep aid.
 
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What is hard to believe is that MJ would let Murray give him anything without proper medical equipment, period. I mean he had nothing there at all to save MJ...How in hell he got MJ to allegedly trust him with nothin is beyond me?! That to me is the big mystery!

People can say MJ just trusted Murray with his life all they want but, that just don't cut it for me. F*ck Murray was never that good of a Dr. from the start anywayz. Plus, MJ supposedly trusted another doctor with propofol in the 90's that did have proper equimpment...yet, we are to believe MJ totally dropped his senses when it came to Murray....o_O...um okay!?
 
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This is all so very complex. Just remember how hard THEY tried to accuse him and put him behind bars for 25 years. THEY never had any evidence of Michael doing anything wrong , yet , it was " the trial of a century " !
Michael was very aware of all that since 1993 when all that circus started. He knew he was a target. And yes....there WAS a conspiracy against him for a long time. He knew that - he was not stupid.
Conspiracies happen every day around us - it is not a science fiction. That is one of the things he was telling us in his songs..his videos...his speeches that were ( of course ) never shown to the public.
I could never see him as a weak person who can be handled that easily. Sometimes he trusted the wrong people , yes...but don"t forget he is a man with a mind of a genious.
Whatever way you look at what happened - it was not an accident.
 
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*big sigh*





bluetopez said:
What is hard to believe is that MJ would let Murray give him anything without proper medical equipment, period. I mean he had nothing there at all to save MJ...How in hell he got MJ to allegedly trust him with nothin is beyond me?! That to me is the big mystery!

People can say MJ just trusted Murray with his life all they want but, that just don't cut it for me. F*ck Murray was never that good of a Dr. from the start anywayz. Plus, MJ supposedly trusted another doctor with propofol in the 90's that did have proper equimpment...yet, we are to believe MJ totally dropped his senses when it came to Murray....o_O...um okay!?
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The Healer said:
This is all so very complex. Just remember how hard THEY tried to accuse him and put him behind bars for 25 years. THEY never had any evidence of Michael doing anything wrong , yet , it was " the trial of a century " !
Michael was very aware of all that since 1993 when all that circus started. He knew he was a target. And yes....there WAS a conspiracy against him for a long time. He knew that - he was not stupid.
Conspiracies happen every day around us - it is not a science fiction. That is one of the things he was telling us in his songs..his videos...his speeches that were ( of course ) never shown to the public.
I could never see him as a weak person who can be handled that easily. Sometimes he trusted the wrong people , yes...but don"t forget he is a man with a mind of a genious.
Whatever way you look at what happened - it was not an accident.
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Thanks for that!

Believe that Michael agreed with things completely outside the normal (this is completely insane and crazy!) knowing all the risks and putting their life at risk, is to underestimate the intelligence of Michael. He was not a stupid man! He knew of things and a lot. -_- But OK. Move on...........
 
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