The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

[Dorian]

Re: The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and other theories

I read in a newspaper that La Toya said something like "I felt Michael in the room when the verdict was given.."

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[Suzie B]

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^^ I think she means spiritually.

I don't think this verdict will stop people enquiring into the events surrounding the 25th June. I wondered if this thread was quiet, but if anything the verdict has woken it up!

I believe justice has been served and I am glad that Murray is in jail right now with all the time to think about what he's done. I agree with Ash though, where was his reaction?

 

[Ashtanga]

TCause how can he be an allegded victim when the verdict says he was killed?

Many may say this is OK and that's no big deal :smilerolleyes:, but for me it is very, very, very bizarre, I can not ignore it. -_- Yes, something still very wrong with this story. This is not over yet. Sure! :fear:

I read in a newspaper that La Toya said something like "I felt Michael in the room when the verdict was given.."

h34r:

:fear:

^^^ Blue, i was wondering, are you a believer ?

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^^ I think she means spiritually.

That's what I think too.

I believe justice has been served and I am glad that Murray is in jail right now with all the time to think about what he's done. I agree with Ash though, where was his reaction?

I'll be very honest, I was not celebrating, I was not surprised because I was sure this was what would happen. It was wonderful that he was handcuffed and taken to jail... BUT :fear: I can only celebrate when the judge say what will be the sentence of Murray on November 29. On this day we will see if justice was really served. -_- Before that, there is reason to celebrate and sing victory.

And before the 29th of November we will have this:

DR. MURRAY
Tell-All Documentary
Reveals Shocking Secrets
TMZ has obtained an excerpt of a never-before-seen documentary starring Dr. Conrad Murray -- in which the good doc reveals some very intimate details about the singer ... some of which are not flattering.

The documentary -- titled, "Michael Jackson and The Doctor: A Fatal Friendship" -- was shot while Murray awaited trial for manslaughter ... and features a shockingly candid look at the preparation of the trial, which includes intense fighting between Murray's lawyers.

The movie is being distributed by a company called Zodiak Rights ... which says it's already pre-sold the rights to air the documentary to "major broadcasters around the world."

Sources tell TMZ ... NBC is one of the broadcasters ... and will air the doc in the United States.

As for Dr. Murray -- he signed on to the project back in 2009, following MJ's death. It's unclear how much cash Murray is set to make from the movie.
​

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/08/dr-conrad-murray-documentary-michael-jackson/#.TrrbN_T1n-O

:wtf:


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :fear: :horror




And Luna:

Jo van der Grift
It has come to my attention MSNBC is planning to air a documentary about and from dr. Conrad Murray, about his last days he spend with Michael Jackson. It's outrageous and horrific they would allow someone to make money from the death of a human being!! Shame on you! I will do my best to make sure people will boycott this broadcasting. I've asked MSNBC very urgently to do the decent thing and don't make a hero out of a convicted felon.
This is not some fairytale or misjudgement: this is about someone losing their life in the hands of an incapable doctor. I hope I can count on MSNBC to be responsible journalists!
Please also sent your complaints to the Today Show: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10<wbr>285339
Choose Today from the dropdown list.

MSNBC (same contact page): http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10<wbr>285339
Choose MSNBC-TV from dropdown list.

Phil Griffin
President, MSNBC
Email: phil.griffin@nbcuni.com


Sharon Otterman
Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer
Email: sharon.otterman@nbcuni.com


Jeremy Gaines
Vice President Media Relations
Email: jeremy.gaines@nbcuni.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/jeremymg<wbr>aines


Bill Wolff
Vice President, Primetime Programming
Email: bill.wolff@nbcuni.com


Mike Rubin
Vice President, Long Form Programming
Email: mike.rubin@nbcuni.com


Deb Finan
Vice President, Production and Programming
Email: deb.finan@nbcuni.com

Commit to not watch the program and persuade everyone you can think of to not watch as well.


We don’t have time to contact the sponsors of this program. Besides, that would necessitate actually watching the program, which we do not want to do.


This is just a start, but we’ve got to start tomorrow, Tuesday, November 8.


All fans should feel absolutely free to complain, yell and scream--figuratively and literally--to the perpetrators of this perversion. Here are just some of the words that describe this documentary and the motives of its makers:


travesty
obscene
despicable
grotesque
aberrant
corrupt
indecent
contemptible
detestable
vile
outrageous
shameless
cruel
vindictive
malicious
mockery
self-serving
abominable


Please, members of Michael Jackson fan community, let’s pull together to obstruct this documentary. To keep the producers and distributors from profiting from the death of Michael Jackson.

We can do this! We can snatch profit from the pockets of a killer and his handlers.

Call…Write…Tweet…Fax…Share…Spr<wbr>ead…Don’t stop!
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http://www.facebook.com/LunaJo67/posts/156056364493016



What are your thoughts? :fear:

 

[MJJ7777]

Re: The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and other theories

Many may say this is OK and that's no big deal :smilerolleyes:, but for me it is very, very, very bizarre, I can not ignore it. -_- Yes, something still very wrong with this story. This is not over yet. Sure! :fear:









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That's what I think too.







I'll be very honest, I was not celebrating, I was not surprised because I was sure this was what would happen. It was wonderful that he was handcuffed and taken to jail... BUT :fear: I can only celebrate when the judge say what will be the sentence of Murray on November 29. On this day we will see if justice was really served. -_- Before that, there is reason to celebrate and sing victory.

And before the 29th of November we will have this:



http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/08/dr-conrad-murray-documentary-michael-jackson/#.TrrbN_T1n-O

:wtf:


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :fear: :horror




And Luna:



http://www.facebook.com/LunaJo67/posts/156056364493016



What are your thoughts? :fear:

Check this out

http://twitpic.com/7c7195

They have since updated/changed this here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/ but fortunately for us, a fan took a screen cap showing you- know-who as the director.h34r:

Update: Just found a video talking about the Murray Documentary way back in 2010 regarding the IMBD page showing MJ as director...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_U135fbSxU

 

[Ashtanga]

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Check this out

http://twitpic.com/7c7195

They have since updated/changed this here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/ but fortunately for us, a fan took a screen cap showing you- know-who as the director.h34r:

Update: Just found a video talking about the Murray Documentary way back in 2010 regarding the IMBD page showing MJ as director...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_U135fbSxU

:fear:


OMG! All this is a complete mess! :doh: This documentary can be displayed? Well, you know, Murray is in jail. I do not know, but I think that justice can stop it. If Murray had something to say/reveal, he should have done this during the trial. :doh: Let's see if it really will be displayed, because the fans will work hard not to be displayed. Sure!!!! -_-

 

[bluetopez]

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NO I am not a believer. More then 2 yrs ago I was like 50/50. But, I never 100% believed and let me tell u neither do the ones that say they do beleive 100%. Because then that would make them knowers. lol

I more then anything hoped.... =(

But, I do believe it is okay to talk about the many inconsistencies that keeps coming up in this case. Some are not even that important and other are like wow.


Hey Ash is that the same Luna Jo from Youtube? -----> http://www.facebook.com/LunaJo67/posts/156056364493016

Oh and yes those who already been following the hoax for some time like myself already got fair warning about this Murray doc since atleast last year. So I have no idea why I was surprised? I guess I had for gotten? Or rather was hoping it wasn't true. He had his chance to speak at the trial where it mattered and he refused. Now as always when someone wants to ish talk about Jackosn they do it publicly. Because apparently the court of public opinion against Jackson has always been more easier to get away with. So here we go again! *sigh*

 

[Ashtanga]

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But, I do believe it is okay to talk about the many inconsistencies that keeps coming up in this case

And believe me, many strange things will still appear in this story. Like I said, many parts are still missing in this big puzzle. Many things are still a complete mess. :doh:

Hey Ash is that the same Luna Jo from Youtube? -----> http://www.facebook.com/LunaJo67/posts/156056364493016

Yes. :fear: Luna is not a believer, but she believes there was a conspiracy against Michael.

 

[bluetopez]

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Okay cool I agree with her for sure. Imma befriend her on FB thx



http://youtu.be/YjRaK7adOsA

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and other theories

Okay cool I agree with her for sure.

Me too. :fear: Not only is Murray, he is just one piece of the puzzle. There are many more. There are so many things unknown to us in this story. *big sigh*

Imma befreind her on FB thx

 

[Suzie B]

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[Oh and yes those who already been following the hoax for some time like myself already got fair warning about this Murray doc since atleast last year. So I have no idea why I was surprised? I guess I had for gotten? Or rather was hoping it wasn't true. He had his chance to speak at the trial where it mattered and he refused. Now as always when someone wants to ish talk about Jackosn they do it publicly. Because apparently the court of public opinion against Jackson has always been more easier to get away with. So here we go again! *sigh*[/QUOTE]

Yeah thinking about it, I remember those vids about IMDB showing the documentary from ages ago. The idea was that Michael had directed it and planned the whole thing....

True what you say, its easier for people to talk bad stuff about him publicly than in court - BUT what's weird about this is the whole thing where Murray said he wanted to go back to the house to retrive the cream as he didn't want the world to know about it, protecting Michael - obviously it was to hide evidence - and now he would have himself shown in a documentary talking bad about him. That makes no sense at all - what is he trying to achieve - is it simply greed and money??

 

[mj_forever]

Re: The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and other theories

weird all around. and it's not just that a convicted felon will profit from his crime through this docu, but also that of course he would be defending himself here, and the picture that arises is likely to be in contrast to the picture that resulted from the trial. in other words, he would mostly lie here to defend himself. don't these filmmakers have any respect for the court? ...oh, i see - they have spent so much already, the biggest is likely to be Murray's "talent fee" so even if he was proven to be guilty, they'd air his side, anyway.

i hope fan movement against this docu would be successful, especially as it is backed by the Estate.

 

[Ashtanga]

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and now he would have himself shown in a documentary talking bad about him.

Murray spoke ill of Michael? What did he say? :blink:

 

[Suzie B]

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^^ I'm not sure, but going on the article about it by TMZ it says that Murray reveals things that are 'unflattering' so to me that can only mean Murray talking badly about Michael. I could be wrong.

 

[kopwatcher]

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I haven't read this thread at all. However I have to question the sanity of someone who believes MJ is still alive.

 

[Ashtanga]

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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/carlotta-chatwood/2011/11/12/buzz-topics-day-including-conrad-murray-conviction

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^^ I'm not sure, but going on the article about it by TMZ it says that Murray reveals things that are 'unflattering' so to me that can only mean Murray talking badly about Michael. I could be wrong.

In youtube has 8 parts of the documentary, but I do not know if they are only parts or the complete documentary. What I'm hearing out there is that Murray said Michael was desperate for sleep and it was like a thriller/zombie, I think he uses this term why Michael could not sleep. I think we have to watch the whole thing complete to see what Murray actually said. Will we have the stomach for it? :fear:

I haven't read this thread at all. However I have to question the sanity of someone who believes MJ is still alive.

:smilerolleyes:


Really? Then you read the 361 pages of this thread? :smilerolleyes: Not everyone here believe that Michael is alive. -_- Well, I do not really know what you came to this thread. :blink: :doh: :sigh:

 

[bluetopez]

Re: The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and other theories

I haven't read this thread at all.

Which says alot!

However I have to question the sanity of someone who believes MJ is still alive.

Who say we ALL do? There are many reasons why many come here. There are inconsistencies we mostly like to talk about more then anything else. And I have to question why would u even bother checkin this thread out if u weren't curious about somethin? lol I'm so glad in these more then two yrs I was never afraid to admit it and that doesn't make me crazy, it makes me honest.

 

[Word Smith Sr]

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[kopwatcher]

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Who say we ALL do? There are many reasons why many come here. There are inconsistencies we mostly like to talk about more then anything else. And I have to question why would u even bother checkin this thread out if u weren't curious about somethin? lol I'm so glad in these more then two yrs I was never afraid to admit it and that doesn't make me crazy, it makes me honest.

Defensive much? I never said EVERYONE here does. I was speaking generally. There's nothing wrong with discussing inconsistencies - that doesn't make you "insane"

I was merely pointing out that dogmatically believing he's not dead after everything we've seen is not....shall we say "healthy". If the shoe doesn't fit, there's no need to get defensive.

 

[Ashtanga]

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[youtube]Isn-4SLBiGU[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isn-4SLBiGU



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[bluetopez]

Re: The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and other theories

Defensive much? I never said EVERYONE here does. I was speaking generally. There's nothing wrong with discussing inconsistencies - that doesn't make you "insane"

I was merely pointing out that dogmatically believing he's not dead after everything we've seen is not....shall we say "healthy". If the shoe doesn't fit, there's no need to get defensive.

Oh please u came in here stating u havn't read a thing and then said u have to question people's sanity. U figure out why some would have a problem with that. If u were more specific as ur trying to be now as to what u supposedly really meant? Then maybe I wouldn't have gotten so defensive for ya? Many like urself have come in here claiming the same that they don't read and then say the same u have said. I find it ridicouous if u don't even know what we talk about. And if some do and still don't like this thread....well no one is forcing this down anyones throut and u don't have to click on the thread.

 

[Miche]

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Hi Guys

Sorry Ive been absent I'm just trying to catch up so dont know if you've seen these (although I think the subject matter might have been covered anyhow...?)

BTW I'm looking into this ''alleged'' terminology I think it is very weird for sure!

 

[Miche]

Re: The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and other theories

Havent even watched this yet but here it is for you as Im off to bed!!>>

 

[Miche]

Re: The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and other theories

Sorry have to add this here my edit posts keep freezing up grrr..

 

[Ashtanga]

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Havent even watched this yet but here it is for you as Im off to bed!!>>

Great as always! All that was shown by Luna in this new video, is all I have asked myself... Murray is a mystery man. Everything about him and his life is very confusing. :fear: :doh:

 

[Miche]

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Yes aint that the truth!

BTW Ive been talking to someone who knows quite a bit about the legal and court system and they said to me they have NEVER heard that term "alledged" used, that they can remember. Not like that, for a "known fact" of death, testified to by two doctors, a coroner, a security guard, and more.... They are as puzzled as we all are but more so over the fact that the Lawyers on both sides and the Court system deliberately gave the JURY a jury form that had June 9, instead of June 25th as Michael Jacksons date of death!

The whole world knows that date.... so HOW did they think we would NOT notice?... and how corrupt that seems.!

They reckon the significance of that intended "mistake", is that if the Jury Foreman had not corrected it, it would be ABSOLUTE GROUNDS for Automatic Appeal!!! ????.. and REVERAL of Conviction or SET ASIDE of Conviction for FACTUAL ERROR of IMPOSSIBILITY,

- - - - W h o a - -- !!!

Which means MURRAY would have gone FREE, and could NEVER BE TRIED AGAIN!!

But for the alertness of the jury and foreman. Murray would be walking around free and the Lawyers would be arguing on appeal after appeal for the next 20 years dragging it out, as Murray lives out his life.

They said that "mistake" is as UPSETTING as the word "alleged victim".

 

[Ashtanga]

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Why was this handwritten note by Michael JOE Jackson released after the VERDICT? I circled the important relating words. The ONLY word on this note that has 7 digits is VERDICT, so MJ is saying "Don't Believe it".

http://campaigns.ratepoint.com/campaigns/40de58b44f389e799768f6f1e335563b

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And....





[youtube]ev0az3Ldx3A&feature[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev0az3Ldx3A&feature=channel_video_title


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Yes aint that the truth!

BTW Ive been talking to someone who knows quite a bit about the legal and court system and they said to me they have NEVER heard that term "alledged" used, that they can remember. Not like that, for a "known fact" of death, testified to by two doctors, a coroner, a security guard, and more.... They are as puzzled as we all are but more so over the fact that the Lawyers on both sides and the Court system deliberately gave the JURY a jury form that had June 9, instead of June 25th as Michael Jacksons date of death!

The whole world knows that date.... so HOW did they think we would NOT notice?... and how corrupt that seems.!

They reckon the significance of that intended "mistake", is that if the Jury Foreman had not corrected it, it would be ABSOLUTE GROUNDS for Automatic Appeal!!! ????.. and REVERAL of Conviction or SET ASIDE of Conviction for FACTUAL ERROR of IMPOSSIBILITY,

- - - - W h o a - -- !!!

Which means MURRAY would have gone FREE, and could NEVER BE TRIED AGAIN!!

But for the alertness of the jury and foreman. Murray would be walking around free and the Lawyers would be arguing on appeal after appeal for the next 20 years dragging it out, as Murray lives out his life.

They said that "mistake" is as UPSETTING as the word "alleged victim".

Exactly! I've never really seen it. :doh: And this video explains it well about it and some other things about the trial:

:fear:

 

[MJJ7777]

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^^ Nice Find Ashtanga...How do we know that handwritten note is authentic though?
And shouldn't we have Murray's mugshot by now?

Also, Paris retweeted an interesting quote on her twitter not too long ago and I'm paraphrasing " A friend will visit you in Jail but a BEST FRIEND *Breaks Prison wall and shouts* " Get in the VAN NOW!!!"...maybe she was just making a point about friendship but she retweeted this quote this saturday a few days after Murray was denied bond and sent to jail...but I could be wrong maybe it means nothing in the end.

 

[Miche]

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Thanks Ash having trouble with getting my updates for here and also for MJHE for some unknown reason? Also having trouble posting here.

Funny thing is I thought this place had gone quiet ! LOL

Tried to catch up but too much to see and read in one go! LOL

 

[Ashtanga]

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^^ Nice Find Ashtanga...How do we know that handwritten note is authentic though?
And shouldn't we have Murray's mugshot by now?

I do not know where Pearl took it. I'll send an e-mail asking for it.



P.S. Pearl's response to me:

It is included in the Julien's auction stuff found at Carolwood.

:fear:

Also, Paris retweeted an interesting quote on her twitter not too long ago and I'm paraphrasing " A friend will visit you in Jail but a BEST FRIEND *Breaks Prison wall and shouts* " Get in the VAN NOW!!!"...maybe she was just making a point about friendship but she retweeted this quote this saturday a few days after Murray was denied bond and sent to jail...but I could be wrong maybe it means nothing in the end.

h34r:

Thanks Ash having trouble with getting my updates for here and also for MJHE for some unknown reason? Also having trouble posting here.

Funny thing is I thought this place had gone quiet ! LOL

Tried to catch up but too much to see and read in one go! LOL

I do not know, I'm not a member in MJHE. But hey, look:

Question
Why in the Conrad Murray case, during the verdict Michael Jackson was still stated as alleged victim?and waht does alleged date means?Verdict:
Superior court of California Los Angeles County. The people of the state of California plaintiff versus Conrad Robert Murray defendant. Case number SA-073164. Title of court and cause. We the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant Conrad Robert Murray guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter. In violation of penal code section 192 subsection B alleged victim Michael Joseph Jackson alleged date of June 25th 2009 as charged in count I of the information

Answer

When the verdict form was drafted, Jackson was still an "alleged" victim, because Dr. Murray was then presumed innocent. Obviously, that's no longer true.

Michael Stone

Law Offices of Michael B. Stone Toll Free 1-855-USE-MIKE
3020 Old Ranch Parkway, Suite 300
Seal Beach, CA 90740

http://www.lawguru.com/legal-questions/-/conrad-murray-case-verdict-michael-119617113/a


It was posted in this thread: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...-victim-quot-and-quot-alleged-date-quot/page2

 

[Suzie B]

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^^All very interesting. I can understand the answer above given as the form was in drafting stage - in that case then why wasn't Murray the "alledged defendant" since he was still innocent until proven guilty at drafting stage? The "alledged" only applied to Michael and the date - its very strange to me. I am not a lawyer as such but I work in the legal field and I can honestly say I have never seen this use of language at the stage of reaching a verdict. The whole point of the verdict is that beyond reasonable doubt there is certainty in the decision made. I'm baffled!

Also, that note found in Carolwood is intriguing...surely he would say 7 letters not digits - as digits imply numbers....