The Great Debate - MJ3

Should We Allow All Pictures Of MJ3

  • Yes

    Votes: 47 34.1%
  • No

    Votes: 60 43.5%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 31 22.5%

  • Total voters
    138
NO, again, and again.

It doesn't matter how much we love them or we worry. It doesn't matter how nice it is to see them grow. They are individuals, not things. They don't belong to us. Frankly, I think they're already manipulated and used enough as it is. The media destroyed most of Michael's life. He himself said repeatedly he wanted his kid to have normal lives, and that he appreciated his fans for understanding. Normal kids don't have to worry about being harassed, or having their every move spied on. Kids enjoy life, kids play, kids educate themselves, kids are carefree. I refuse to watch them on TV, I refuse to listen to interviews, I refuse to watch pictures of those 3 VERY young children, until they're adults, and doing it willingly.

People can't blame the media, and play along at the same time. The more they download those pictures, the more paps will follow those children, and write BS about them.
 
We can't blame the media, and play along at the same time. The more they download those pictures, the more paps will follow those children, and write BS about them
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In one sense thats an agrument for allowing pics on here.cause it stops fans having to go to tabloid sites and giving them thousands of hits.and supporting the need for the paps excistance.
 
Or better yet, pics without discussions then? UH, I don't know!? MJ would say no, at least for blanket cause he is only 9! Maybe he wouldn't be so over protective of the older two as much with the mask by now, since before he died he showed their faces?!....

People keep saying Michael was exposing them before he died but I don't think that is something that happened intentionally if you are referring to the pap shots of them going with him into the studio while working on TII. These pics were seemingly taken when Michael nor the kids suspected anyone would catch them. It seemed obvious in the progression of those photos that someome spotted the papz after it was too late, but when the kids were exiting the studio with him later, they were wearing their masks. If you have ever been within real working sound stage complexes then you know that from the outside they can appear as usually rows and rows of warehouse type buildings and on weekends they can seem very secluded in many areas. I just think Michael and the kids got caught off guard in those pics.... not expecting anyone could see them in that area of the complex, by some wise-arse pap climbing a tree or something. It seems reasonable that Michael might have been offering them some freedom from the masks when he did not feel a threat of them being seen.
 
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i think its ok, for me if i see photos i feel happy, for them and to see some michael in them. Also i believe what is said is also truth there safe here, there discussed everywhere, and some is not ok but i believe we can do it with respect.
I mean the photos last week? when they went to church was a public event and i believe those are respected and ok. Dont know if all photos must be allowed.
Also we lost Michael and those children are his world i love to see them grow up, so
i vote yes gaz. but with a side note that is done with respect and love
 
We can't blame the media, and play along at the same time. The more they download those pictures, the more paps will follow those children, and write BS about them
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In one sense thats an agrument for allowing pics on here.cause it stops fans having to go to tabloid sites and giving them thousands of hits.and supporting the need for the paps excistance.

The problem is, where do the pictures come from? Usually paparazzi. And lately, a lot of what I've read on what I would I thought "reliable" sources seemed to come directly from TMZ. As long as there's a need for those pictures, because they sell, these children will have people following them around with cameras.
 
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Michael understood magnitude and madness behind the name Michael Jackson ,though that family is in music bizz ,frankly they are not that famous,so they don't understand craziness that followed Michael or should i say they loved that spotlight ,still normal people don't follow whole family ,that don't know about their children or grandchildren.they don't understand magnitude of situation right now that is why they are busy selling them.


This is exactly why I do not understand why many of Michael's fans seem to have more respect for his wishes than his own family does. Their obliviousness to his motives just seems absurd. How could Katherine have been (supposedly) so close to Michael and not understand this from him??? And with all due respect .... if the kids are the ones making their own decisions about how they feel about all this exposure, then when did Mrs. J stop being a mother?? And these children were allowed to make these decisions about their lives with clearly no prior 'direct' exposure to the experience of just how bad it could get for them. they had been guarded from any social networking up to that point therefore, likely clueless. And it all may be fun NOW .... we see Prince networking all the time, but what is this also opening the door to, that we see NOW.

I know we cannot change what is happening but we can refuse to support it. The media tried to attach so many stigmas to Michael, and will attempt to do the same to his kids. He knew that was so probable, and he knew how painful and confusing that would be for them. In an attempt to appear so pro-Jackson, why would Robin Roberts make such issue that they were just "normal kids" on GMA?? Why would that be necessary if there was no pre-conceived notion that they probably weren't if they were MJs kids, which she might be the "noble" one and attempt to counter? (beware of wolves in sheeps clothing)

Katherine, herself, said that Michael would describe that he sometimes felt like a "caged animal". Doesn't she understand what that means??? And doesn't she see that if these kids cannot even stop at Starbucks on their way home from school without cameras in their faces, and the world wanting to know what is in their cups, then they too are becoming caged animals?? There is a potential for very serious emotional rebellion to rise up in these children, in years to come, if something isn't done to stop this. The media knew how they could drive Michael, leaving him helpless to counter, and they will do it to these kids, too. Just think about it .... if they can drive the kids into Lindsey Lohan behavior, then they get several months, or even years of good juicy stories. Meanwhile, the child is crumbling inside and Michael's legacy as a "good father" giving these children a good foundation, can be destroyed. (perhaps blaming that Michael's 'wierdness' coupled with his drug-induced death, is the reason these children are behaving so mal-adjusted) I HATE saying these things in an effort to make a point BUT the press can, and likely will try to do these things to them, with the first sign of any social rebellion from any of them, now.

And we cannot totally compare this to Michael's experience as a child because although he was the frontman for the J5, and arguably the most talented, his Megastardom status did not really catch on until he was well into his 20s, and nor did he have to deal with the internet and photoshop programs in the hands of laymen, while dealing with his own personal develpment in his early years. I am 50 y/o. I remember when there was a 'code of ethics' the media usually followed better. There was an accountability better maintained back then. Regardless that he had always had cameras in his face since a young boy, it was a whole different world back in the 60s, 70s and even the 80s. Hell, I was one of the first few thousand people on AOL in the early to mid-90s (even before Yahoo). Place what it was like, back then, against what these kids have to deal with now with so much social networking available now and pictures of EVERYTHING floating around. It it won't ever again be just the PRESS doing these things when there are no professional literary editors controlling anything put in front of us anymore as, now, anyone can take a pic, photoshop it, post it on a network, and claim anything they want to about it, with no accountability for the truth anymore. It's a "free-for-all" out here that could be so very destructive to them and is already beginning. Jes' sayin.
 
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The operative word is done with RESPECT.
Since they've been outted it's pretty much free-fall for the paps.
I'd rather see them here then the media sites.
I would rather have traffic directed HERE.
Seems like Michael would unmask them some time later.
Kinda like see it coming if Michael were intending to showcase them in TII at the O2. He did say he's doing the concert for them and maybe feature them in doing one or two of the Jacksons songs or Black or White song.
 
I know I keep posting here as an advocate for "no" votes, but let me just add this one thing .... As recently as yesterday, a leaked picture of Paris was on a PPB site that showed her just casually posing, doing her normal peace sign, only ...... her index finger had been photo-shopped out of the picture causing it to appear as if she was offering a very ugly sign to the camera. A closer examination, of course, revealed the photo-shopping, but this is just one example of what is to come, and perhaps a lot worse, as these kids grow older and their pics continue to be spread all over the internet. Michael was smart by keeping these kids guarded, even for just this one reason. I totally agree that this fan community should set an example and not feed into this pic frenzy.

That's awful. :no: This is only the beginning of it all. I wish there were something we could do to stop this. The kids don't deserve this...and neither does Michael.
 
The media and celebrity culture is something that I feel very passionate about. I do not support or condone it.

For me, our wants and desires are immaterial. I will be honest and admit that I would love to know more about the children's lives because they are a link to Michael. But because I want it does not make it right and does not entitle me to know.

What if, because of our desire (however good-hearted and well-meaning) to see/discuss these minor children, we contribute in some negative way to their life?

Whether we get here it or at TMZ or at the Daily Mail it is tabloid, it is still an invasion of their privacy. When reputable mainstream media do it, it is still an invasion of privacy of minor children. Getting the information on here does not make it any 'cleaner', it only appeases our conscience.
 
The media and celebrity culture is something that I feel very passionate about. I do not support or condone it.

For me, our wants and desires are immaterial. I will be honest and admit that I would love to know more about the children's lives because they are a link to Michael. But because I want it does not make it right and does not entitle me to know.

What if, because of our desire (however good-hearted and well-meaning) to see/discuss these minor children, we contribute in some negative way to their life?

Whether we get here it or at TMZ or at the Daily Mail it is tabloid, it is still an invasion of their privacy. When reputable mainstream media do it, it is still an invasion of privacy of minor children. Getting the information on here does not make it any 'cleaner', it only appeases our conscience.

Truth.
 
It's a MJ board ? Yes, so pictures of Mike, the one we love, respect and admire, ok it's normal.

But his kids ? No way, I'm not a fan of his kids. If people want to see pictures of these kids, there are a lots of picture of them sadly for them on internet, so no need here.
 
The problem is, where do the pictures come from? Usually paparazzi. And lately, a lot of what I've read on what I would I thought "reliable" sources seemed to come directly from TMZ. As long as there's a need for those pictures, because they sell, these children will have people following them around with cameras.

yeah u are right but to me its a lesser of two evils.the pics and paps will always excist.they wont stop cause mjjc or any other site bans them. Thats why id rather as another poster said have the pics posted on here instead of sites like tmz etc getting hits cause fans visit
those sites instead.less hits on those sites help to devalue the pics.it is very much a catch twenty two situation
 
I understand what you are saying but I am not thinking you will devalue those pics as long as people keep going to those sites, period. More needs to be done, actively, to shame the tabs for their behavior, unfortunately, I only see the formation of a massive organized coalition to resolve that problem. We need to stop watching their tv programs, as well, and stamp everything from their sites that floats around the internet as BULLSHIT, discrediting them in any way we can, before the message gets clear enough for them that we demand accountability in their reporting and picture taking. I do the article slamming for anything that is tabloid, myself, without addressing anything that is written in the article .... true or false. This is one of Michael's passionate efforts that I am trying to continue. There needs to be enough people out there willing to do this instead of getting into any conversations about what they write or the pictures they take. Michael had all us fans rallied towards doing these things, it seems until TMZ was the first to break that Michael had died. Then everyone went right back to them as though they held the "gospel truth on EVERYTHING". We seriously need to stop this support, and the support to all the other tabloid sites whose articles usually only feed off TMZ. We need to kick people like Nancy Grace in the arse, as well. Until the masses rise up against them, I'm afraid there likely won't be much change. I for (1), just want to see this site remain the exception, based on principle.
 
Of course people will go and visit the tabloid sites, nothing will change that. Lots of folks aren't fans in particular of Michael or the children (or anyone else, for that matter) and just visit to see what the latest 'scandal' is.
I don't know if they care about truth, they just want entertainment and to feel as if they 'know something'.

However the rationale of doing something because it is the lesser of two evils seems to be a poor reason to do something unless it is critical to your existence. If we seem to agree that using these kinds of photos is indeed an evil thing, then why do it at all? It will only serve to give validity to them, after all, if "MJJC is doing it, it must be okay..." kind of reasoning.
 
It's a MJ board ? Yes, so pictures of Mike, the one we love, respect and admire, ok it's normal.

But his kids ? No way, I'm not a fan of his kids. If people want to see pictures of these kids, there are a lots of picture of them sadly for them on internet, so no need here.

This is why I think we should be allowed to post pictures of them here.

1 person views on TMZ and posts on MJJC for hundreds to see. - Some money for TMZ.
Hundreds view on TMZ. - A lot of money for TMZ.

By posting pictures of them here, we are not feeding the tabloids. Yes we may be getting the pictures from tabloids and paparazzi, but we are giving them a lot less money.
 
I see what you mean Elusive, but to me, as much as I love those kid, and I would love seeing them grow up, like a lot of you guys, I have to remember they are not mine. They are individuals. Most of the pictures you'll get will be a moment of their private life, stolen by someone who has been spying on them. One fan going to TMZ to get a pic for hundreds still is saying our desire to see them is more important than the respect we have for them, and their privacy. Of course, one site not posting the pictures might not change the harassment that's taking place. But even here, it's all about the one in the mirror. We can't, as fans, criticize the media for the way they act, and take advantage of it when it suits us. To me, it's dishonest. I respect everybody's opinion on this, and I am positive there would never be any disrespectful comments on the pictures. Again, I totally understand the affection you have for those children, believe me, I share it. But sometimes, the best way to show your love to someone is to back off and let them be. Like Just4Mike61 said, remember Lyndsay Lohan, Britney Spears...
 
I think we should study this furthere before we make any decisison

If by any chance in the future this is allowed on the board
I suggest we put the pics in a private forum like 2000 watts.
so media and gawkers dont have access.

I also suggest we check out other forums that have allowed this
to see what the tone and focus is concerning pics of the children
before we make a descision. Can it be done appropriatley and
with respect.

view the discussions we have already here about the children
and see what the tone is on those threads toward the children.
We also need to have specific enforced rules in place regarding
discussion about them .


We dont want to have regrets.
 
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But we are still talking about seeing things that we really do not have the right to see.

No matter where we view these pictures and whatever restrictions we impose - we are still violating their privacy.

My question is - is this about us or this is about what is best for Michael's children?
 
I agree with TheChosenOne. And what would be the point of having a private forum for pictures that come from the media anyway? WE would already be using tabloids to get them.
 
This is why I think we should be allowed to post pictures of them here.

1 person views on TMZ and posts on MJJC for hundreds to see. - Some money for TMZ.
Hundreds view on TMZ. - A lot of money for TMZ.

By posting pictures of them here, we are not feeding the tabloids. Yes we may be getting the pictures from tabloids and paparazzi, but we are giving them a lot less money.

But why? These kids are not actors, musicians or singers! Just kids. MJ kids or not, who want to know their life ?

I wish them the best for their life, hope for them not in the Hollywood world, but a normal life. I don't want to see their new clothes, new hair cut, if they are skinny or obese or normal weight.

Who cares ?

I'm a fan of Michael Jackson, these kids, I don't know them. I know them by Mike, but I don't want to follow these kids.

You want an example of what will happen if you post pictures in this forum ? It will be like that :

- Wowwwwwwwwww they are beautiful!
- Wowwwwwwww Blanket is really 100% MJ
- Ah it's sad that Prince is doing this, it will better if he does thing
- Paris is a beautiful girl!
- But Paris will be better like this I'm sure!
- No but look at Blanket, this boy is the son of his father, a MJ copy, yeaaaaaaah!
- Oh god, the hair cut of Prince is strange, what's happen with his hair ? Doesn't look nice man!
- Ah Paris got a boyfriend, yeaaaaaaaaah!
- Wowwwwwww amazing how Blanket is just like MJ!
- They shouldn't do this, it's not good for them!
- It's their life, everybody make mistakes during teenage.
- I just see Mike when I look at Blanket.
- No really it was not nice at all what you said about Prince, it's not his fault!
- Maybe Paris will do that too.
- No they are MJ kids so they will be good!
- Me I prefer Paris!
- Me it's Blanket, he's so much like Mike!

Etc.......

And who care ? We don't care about their life. We want them happy in their life, like all kids in the world, like the kids in our family, but to speak about them, on internet, no, it's not our job.

Fan of Mike, that's it. His kids are his kids, and I don't want to see them on a MJ borad, it's not their board, it's not their place.
 
That's a good point too. As kids, the only thing we would discuss would be their private life. Which, when you think of it, is none of our business. Is there any parent out there who would accept perfect strangers to discuss their children's daily life?? It doesnt matter who their dad is, they are children!
 
Exactly Ben971 - we would just be cutting out the middleman. The source would remain the same.
 
Exactly. To me, the first question is : do we agree with those pictures being taken in the first place?

The only middle ground I can think of is reducing the posting to pictures of official events, like the Grammy Awards. This way, they would be pictures that havent been stolen, that dont show their private life, and that we agree on not downloading from tabloid sites.
 
I'm torn on this subject and here's why

- Michael wouldn't keep his children veiled forever but the problem is we don't know when. When would for Michael it would be okay for his children in public? 14-15-16 or 18? I mean eventually the time will come that we will lift this rule, the question is when.

- Our choice would do no difference in regards to whether paps following them. even if we keep the ban, there are a lot of people on the world that are curious about them so the paparazzi would take photos.

although the above 2 points seem "for" the allowing on the pictures I also do not want this to be a extreme invasion of privacy either. I mean could we establish strict rules and stick with them? Such as can we allow pictures but make sure any negative comment is a definite no-no? Can we make sure that no discussion about their private life is allowed ?

As I said I'm torn. I'm kinda okay if we allow the pictures but keep it as a safe heaven with not allowing any negative comments but if we can't do it then no perhaps it's too early and we need to wait till you become adults.
 
But it's not about masks or no masks.

They are kids of our idol, so why we must see them here ? It's not their board! It's not because they are the MJ kids, that we must follow them.

Even when they will be 25 or 30, I will not be interested about them. I'm a fan of Mike, Not his kids.
 
I vote no. Just because other media/fansites can't and won't respect michaels wishes does not mean we shouldn't. When they come of age then yes let's do what they are comfortable with. Until then let's not go against his wishes. It's all we have left...

I feel really quite strongly about this.
 
The kids seem happy enough being out in public. In a lot of pictures you see them smiling at the cameras and giving the peace sign (especially Paris), so I really don't think it bothers them at all.

The thing is, we never gave it a second thought viewing paparazzi pics of Michael while he was alive, even though it wasn't necessarily what Michael would have wanted. This included pictures of him with his children wearing the masks. If it was okay to post those pictures back then, then why not the pictures of them now??

You do have a point there....

I myself am unsure.....most of us did'nt seem to have an issue with these same paparazzi shots being posted of them with Michael especially in early 2009 when we were getting pics every other day of them out and about with MJ. Why was it okay then? The word privacy is used but at the same time its some family members who are speaking to the media about them freely, arranging photo/camera opportunities that will only push the interest in them. Would Michael have approved of that?

This is a question that we really need to think about carefully before making a decision. I want them to have the childhood that Michael envisioned for them, but I'm afraid that now that he's not here, what Michael wanted for them may not be the priority for some.
 
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