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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
You actually think man cared about an album when he was facing PRISON
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dethorro said:
For real. How anyone would think he cared about that box set is beyond me. It’s the last thing anyone would care or think about in such a situation.
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Fighting for his life, his freedom. Worrying about his kids if the verdict didn't go his way. The death threats towards the end which I believe were credible enough that the head security guy had Michael wearing a bullet proof vest on at least one occasion. Heavy stuff.
 
Is Bomb Detonation a real unreleased song ?
Some quote it as an unreleased song from the 2seas records deal, but there are only 3 songs in this deal : I Have This Dream, Light The Way and He Who Makes The Sky Grey
 
NeoGardiV8 said:
And MJ did sign off on it, however he didn't even bother reading what he was actually approving, as he seemingly cried years afterwards when he found Beautiful Girl and a couple other tracks he thought were unreleased, were actually released back in 2004
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Didn’t he do an interview with Gerardo where he previewed Beautiful Girl? Michael used to play oblivious to a lot of things he knew were going on.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
You actually think man cared about an album when he was facing PRISON
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Of course not, but the post I was responding to claimed that he had no idea those songs had been released on TUC, and that he was furious when he found out they had been released in 2004. I personally find this to be unlikely because, as I said, it would only take a quick browse of the proposed tracklist to know what was going out.

I'll reiterate that a box set was the least of his worries in 2004, but I don't think that it negates the fact that he still valued his artistic output, especially of unreleased material.
 
BlackAnon said:
Didn’t he do an interview with Gerardo where he previewed Beautiful Girl? Michael used to play oblivious to a lot of things he knew were going on.
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Him playing a snippet of Beautiful Girl in that interview actually more so confirms the theory that he was not aware of it having been released. Otherwise, I doubt he would have played it and presented it as something new he was working on, since The Ultimate Collection was released in November 2004 and the interview was broadcast in January 2005.
 
dethorro said:
Him playing a snippet of Beautiful Girl in that interview actually more so confirms the theory that he was not aware of it having been released. Otherwise, I doubt he would have played it and presented it as something new he was working on, since The Ultimate Collection was released in November 2004 and the interview was broadcast in January 2005.
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Or he could’ve been playing it to get people to buy the album. “Oh where is this song from?” “It’s from TUC!” “Nice! Let me purchase that”

This the same Michael that told people he took Dirty Diana out of the Wembley setlist out of respect for Princess Diana.

Michael was aware of his actions. He knew the game.
 
BlackAnon said:
Or he could’ve been playing it to get people to buy the album. “Oh where is this song from?” “It’s from TUC!” “Nice! Let me purchase that”

This the same Michael that told people he took Dirty Diana out of the Wembley setlist out of respect for Princess Diana.

Michael was aware of his actions. He knew the game.
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It's also the same Michael that lipsynced to songs from Off The Wall.
 
dethorro said:
For real. How anyone would think he cared about that box set is beyond me. It’s the last thing anyone would care or think about in such a situation.
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Exactly. Also, his drug addiction supposedly worsened during this time. I think it’s quite possible he could’ve been under the influence of painkillers when he approved the tracklist (hence why certain songs he didn’t want released were included)- and I don’t blame him for this. He was in a truly terrifying situation.
 
Hollywood_Tonight said:
Exactly. Also, his drug addiction supposedly worsened during this time. I think it’s quite possible he could’ve been under the influence of painkillers when he approved the tracklist (hence why certain songs he didn’t want released were included)- and I don’t blame him for this. He was in a truly terrifying situation.
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A lot of people seem to think that MJ was constantly throughout his career making decisions because he was "out of it on drugs" rather than just making some errors when it came to his song selections. Invincible, The Ultimate Collection etc. It's just as likely that MJ saw the Ultimate Collection project as a welcome distraction.

We can't pick and choose between when MJ was a shrewd businessman who scrutinised every decision vs. a man struggling with addiction who didn't know what he was doing when the result doesn't satisfy us.

I'm still waiting for a source that MJ was "in tears" when he realised Beautiful Girl was released.

MJ's career has enough controversies without fans creating new ones IMO.

The tracklist on The Ultimate Collection is fine and representative of both his career, and of his creative process. Just because we got the IHS remix of Who Is It doesnt meant he approved the list upside down on a couch foaming at the mouth.

He approved Beat It 2008 w/ Fergie, like.
 
innuendo141 said:
A lot of people seem to think that MJ was constantly throughout his career making decisions because he was "out of it on drugs" rather than just making some errors when it came to his song selections. Invincible, The Ultimate Collection etc. It's just as likely that MJ saw the Ultimate Collection project as a welcome distraction.

We can't pick and choose between when MJ was a shrewd businessman who scrutinised every decision vs. a man struggling with addiction who didn't know what he was doing when the result doesn't satisfy us.

I'm still waiting for a source that MJ was "in tears" when he realised Beautiful Girl was released.

MJ's career has enough controversies without fans creating new ones IMO.

The tracklist on The Ultimate Collection is fine and representative of both his career, and of his creative process. Just because we got the IHS remix of Who Is It doesnt meant he approved the list upside down on a couch foaming at the mouth.

He approved Beat It 2008 w/ Fergie, like.
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Michael went through those songs and approved what he liked. No way he's going to sign any contract that involved the release of his unreleased material
 
innuendo141 said:
A lot of people seem to think that MJ was constantly throughout his career making decisions because he was "out of it on drugs" rather than just making some errors when it came to his song selections. Invincible, The Ultimate Collection etc. It's just as likely that MJ saw the Ultimate Collection project as a welcome distraction.
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That's a fair point. I can't remember the details but I think I remember an interview with Tom Mesereau where he said that Michael wasn't writing songs during the trial and he (Tom) wished that he had been as it would have been a good distraction for him. Apologies if I've remembered this incorrectly. I can't remember which Tom interview it was, he's done so many. But I'm sure he did say something like this.

Michael was writing stuff with Brad Buxer in 2004 but I have no idea if they stopped while the trial was ongoing. Based on what (I think) Tom said, they must have stopped.
 
BlackAnon said:
Or he could’ve been playing it to get people to buy the album. “Oh where is this song from?” “It’s from TUC!” “Nice! Let me purchase that”

This the same Michael that told people he took Dirty Diana out of the Wembley setlist out of respect for Princess Diana.

Michael was aware of his actions. He knew the game.
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It seems unlikely to me. As he does not really mention the song in any way. It’s just a “look we’re in the studio working on music” moment. He wouldn’t be in the studio working on a song which had been released two months prior.

Additionally, The Ultimate Collection did have a single release from it, albeit a promotional single, and it was not Beautiful Girl, but Cheater. If he wanted to promote that box set during that interview, which to me seems very unlikely, he would have played some of that.
 
dethorro said:
It seems unlikely to me. As he does not really mention the song in any way. It’s just a “look we’re in the studio working on music” moment. He wouldn’t be in the studio working on a song which had been released two months prior.

Additionally, The Ultimate Collection did have a single release from it, albeit a promotional single, and it was not Beautiful Girl, but Cheater. If he wanted to promote that box set during that interview, which to me seems very unlikely, he would have played some of that.
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He was only playing the song.....he wasn't behind the board on some "let's change this" type of stuff. There's no way anyone can believe Michael had no knowledge of an unreleased song being on a boxset he looked over and signed off on....it's just not realistic.
 
BlackAnon said:
He was only playing the song.....he wasn't behind the board on some "let's change this" type of stuff. There's no way anyone can believe Michael had no knowledge of an unreleased song being on a boxset he looked over and signed off on....it's just not realistic.
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MJ didn't care about that box set either way. You act like it's as important as Dangerous or something. It's not even the first time they've packaged his music with demoes in the 2000s. He absolutely went through the motions even before the trial came about.

Regardless, it wasn't his idea, it was just a contract obligation.
 
BlackAnon said:
He was only playing the song.....he wasn't behind the board on some "let's change this" type of stuff. There's no way anyone can believe Michael had no knowledge of an unreleased song being on a boxset he looked over and signed off on....it's just not realistic.
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You have a boxset with 4 CD’s and quite a few unreleased songs, it’s not impossible that he just quickly went over the list and said “yeah, fine…whatever”. Him reviewing the list doesn’t necessarily mean he actually looked at each song and actively thought about whether or not it should be on.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
MJ didn't care about that box set either way. You act like it's as important as Dangerous or something. It's not even the first time they've packaged his music with demoes in the 2000s. He absolutely went through the motions even before the trial came about.

Regardless, it wasn't his idea, it was just a contract obligation.
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dethorro said:
You have a boxset with 4 CD’s and quite a few unreleased songs, it’s not impossible that he just quickly went over the list and said “yeah, fine…whatever”. Him reviewing the list doesn’t necessarily mean he actually looked at each song and actively thought about whether or not it should be on.
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If I'm aware of a boxset being released with unreleased songs, why would I just brush through it, sign off, then get mad when I allegedly find out years later that a certain song was on there?

As far as acting like it's as important asDangerous, that's not fair because what's important or holds value to one person might not be as effective to another.

All I'm saying is Michael knew what was going on
 
So what do you guys think of what I just said about 'Beautiful Girl' being unfinished? I mean I like his humming but I'm pretty sure those were meant to be lyrics! Isn't that weird? To release it in that state? And what a waste cause it sounds beautiful..
 
Victorious said:
So what do you guys think of what I just said about 'Beautiful Girl' being unfinished? I mean I like his humming but I'm pretty sure those were meant to be lyrics! Isn't that weird? To release it in that state? And what a waste cause it sounds beautiful..
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Beautiful Girl is an unfinished demo but like you said, it really is a beautiful melody and production....he also released an unfinished demo of PYT.
 
Victorious said:
So what do you guys think of what I just said about 'Beautiful Girl' being unfinished? I mean I like his humming but I'm pretty sure those were meant to be lyrics! Isn't that weird? To release it in that state? And what a waste cause it sounds beautiful..
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The song is as unfinished as they come. It was a demo.

BlackAnon said:
If I'm aware of a boxset being released with unreleased songs, why would I just brush through it, sign off, then get mad when I allegedly find out years later that a certain song was on there?

As far as acting like it's as important as Dangerous, that's not fair because what's important or holds value to one person might not be as effective to another.

All I'm saying is Michael knew what was going on
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Because it's a contract obligation from 10 years ago, at a point in time where you're actively beefing with the contract holders, and you're also accused of the most heinous crimes of all time.

But anyway, this clarified:

Matt Forger: "I remember going through a hundred tapes - some with Michael's voice, some without. The best were chosen for this project, which covered his entire career. We wanted Michael to be more involved, but he was very busy with other commitments. He reviewed what had been assembled and gave final approval to the project. "

"Reviewing what had been assembled", sure, that's him being "aware". He was aware of everything they did. He still did not really have to care though. He might've lied if he could get away from Sony. He could've just changed his Mind. It's really not hard to fathom.

The most telling aspect of his dissatisfaction is that most of the songs from TUC were still on his wall paper of songs to finish.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Matt Forger: "I remember going through a hundred tapes - some with Michael's voice, some without. The best were chosen for this project, which covered his entire career. We wanted Michael to be more involved, but he was very busy with other commitments. He reviewed what had been assembled and gave final approval to the project. "
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Case closed, really.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
The song is as unfinished as they come. It was a demo.


Because it's a contract obligation from 10 years ago, at a point in time where you're actively beefing with the contract holders, and you're also accused of the most heinous crimes of all time.

But anyway, this clarified:

Matt Forger: "I remember going through a hundred tapes - some with Michael's voice, some without. The best were chosen for this project, which covered his entire career. We wanted Michael to be more involved, but he was very busy with other commitments. He reviewed what had been assembled and gave final approval to the project. "

"Reviewing what had been assembled", sure, that's him being "aware". He was aware of everything they did. He still did not really have to care though. He might've lied if he could get away from Sony. He could've just changed his Mind. It's really not hard to fathom.

The most telling aspect of his dissatisfaction is that most of the songs from TUC were still on his wall paper of songs to finish.
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I'll just say ok.
 
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