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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

filmandmusic said:
did you hear it yourself?
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Yes, it's great! When in his final TV interview Michael said he likes to "put sounds under the microscope and manipulate their character," he was speaking of these type of songs. It's a great insight into his imagination. It's like a musical sculpture.

From the songs discussed here recently, I also heard Monster (two different versions--different choruses). It's not as innovative as people make it out to be, at least not the demos I heard. No relation to the Cascio Monster whatsoever, but the music is fairly similar in style. That's the vibe. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cascios knew it and based theirs on Michael's. Apparently Michael was showing it off to people in his final years. I believe Harrison Funk, the photographer, said Michael played it to him before he died.
 
Alec said:
Yes, it's great! When in his final TV interview Michael said he likes to "put sounds under the microscope and manipulate their character," he was speaking of these type of songs. It's a great insight into his imagination. It's like a musical sculpture.

From the songs discussed here recently, I also heard Monster (two different versions--different choruses). It's not as innovative as people make it out to be, at least not the demos I heard. No relation to the Cascio Monster whatsoever, but the music is fairly similar in style. That's the vibe. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cascios knew it and based theirs on Michael's. Apparently Michael was showing it off to people in his final years. I believe Harrison Funk, the photographer, said Michael played it to him before he died.
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I’ve also heard “Monster” and 100% agree- it definitely had a Cascio vibe to it. Ironically, “Monster” on the Michael album is the closest comparison I can think of. I was a little underwhelmed, but I’ve heard there’s multiple versions so hopefully a better one exists- did the alternative version have different chorus lyrics? The version I heard just had “you’ve created a monster” and nothing else. Fast paced track with A LOT of layers with lots of odd sounds. It was definitely more pop than I was expecting- I remember CJ DeVillar described it as a Sgt. Pepper track, but it honestly didn’t sound that way to me.
 
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Hollywood_Tonight said:
I’ve also heard “Monster” and 100% agree- it definitely had a Cascio vibe to it. Ironically, “Monster” on the Michael album is the closest comparison I can think of. I was a little underwhelmed, but I’ve heard there’s multiple versions so hopefully a better one exists- did the alternative version have different chorus lyrics? The version I heard just had “you’ve created a monster” and nothing else. Fast paced track with A LOT of layers with lots of odd sounds. It was definitely more pop than I was expecting- I remember CJ DeVillar described it as a Sgt. Pepper track, but it honestly didn’t sound that way to me.
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Now i actually want to hear this song
 
“Monster” is one of my most anticipated solely because of its reputation. Chorus or not, anything that’s even somewhat singular in its production definitely piques my interest.
 
Hollywood_Tonight said:
T40 documentary is coming this Halloween (finally), according to Damien. https://x.com/damienshields/status/1703630952805830947?s=46&t=I3Fw0gOazU_UdqiHfgkprA
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That's cool! Thanks for sharing. The MJ Cast badly need an editor. Their episodes are so long and indulgent I can't imagine many people can sit through the whole thing. Could be condensed to 30-45 mins easily.

I can't wait for the Thriller documentary. I had tickets to one of the screenings but stupidly decided not to go, assuming it would be released right after. It seems excellent from what everyone says.
 
Alec said:
From the songs discussed here recently, I also heard Monster (two different versions--different choruses). It's not as innovative as people make it out to be, at least not the demos I heard. No relation to the Cascio Monster whatsoever, but the music is fairly similar in style.
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So this just proves my point, that the Casio tracks weren't actually the worst thing ever made or whatever. They had decent bones. Lyrics were juvenile obviously, and the vocals ugh. But the songs themselves were cool.

Now I wanna hear Monster.
 
Alec said:
This doesn't sound much like the actual song. The real Water doesn't recycle the Stranger In Moscow beat like I Was The Loser. The music is all totally unique, full of surprising samples like creaking wood and splashing water. Very, very cool instrumental and something no other producer but MJ would come up with. They could easily sell this one to another artist to release as "produced by Michael Jackson" and "featuring MJ" (on the chorus). It's a shame the estate don't value Michael as a musician. With all the 2006-2009 instrumentals he made, he could have had a whole posthumous career as a producer for other artists.
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Things like this make me wonder how a song like "Billie Jean" would be in 2008 or something. What would Michael be doing. What would 24 year old Michael do in this age? It's a fascinating thought experiment.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
So this just proves my point, that the Casio tracks weren't actually the worst thing ever made or whatever. They had decent bones. Lyrics were juvenile obviously, and the vocals ugh. But the songs themselves were cool.

Now I wanna hear Monster.
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100%. The melodies are really catchy. If a songwriter of Michael's caliber wrote lyrics to this music, these songs would be great.

Burn Tonight is my favorite. Imagine that with a real MJ vocal, and authentic MJ harmonies in the choruses. 🤯
 
filmandmusic said:
@Hollywood_Tonight @Alec

can you perhaps post a song by cascio or someone else that reminds you of what you heard on either monster and or water?
Thank you both for your opinions of the songs
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I haven’t heard “Water” yet so I can’t comment on this one, but “Monster” reminds me of the Cascio tracks on the Michael album. Similar percussion sounds and heavy layering, but the song is still very much its own thing. I felt the song had almost too much going on, but that’s just my opinion. I think this mix is a good example of how the odd/unusual sounds are combined with heavy percussion:
 
filmandmusic said:
@Hollywood_Tonight @Alec

can you perhaps post a song by cascio or someone else that reminds you of what you heard on either monster and or water?
Thank you both for your opinions of the songs
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Monster sounds like Monster! (again, different song but similar vibe).

There's nothing like Water in MJ's catalog. A song that kind of reminds me of it (again, it's not really similar) is I Won't Desert You by Ricky Martin. They're totally different but kind of "weird" in the same way? They could be on the same album, I Won't Desert You being the uptempo and Water the midtempo/ballad. The snippet of Water recorded at a seminar is real, it just doesn't at all capture the uniqueness of the different sounds MJ used to construct the rhythm.
 
Alec said:
Monster sounds like Monster! (again, different song but similar vibe).

There's nothing like Water in MJ's catalog. A song that kind of reminds me of it (again, it's not really similar) is I Won't Desert You by Ricky Martin. They're totally different but kind of "weird" in the same way? They could be on the same album, I Won't Desert You being the uptempo and Water the midtempo/ballad. The snippet of Water recorded at a seminar is real, it just doesn't at all capture the uniqueness of the different sounds MJ used to construct the rhythm.
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That’s a great song, I’ve never heard it before! I heard the seminar recording of “Water” doesn’t do the song justice, but the full seminar recording is currently being traded and will likely leak soon.
 
Hollywood_Tonight said:
That’s a great song, I’ve never heard it before! I heard the seminar recording of “Water” doesn’t do the song justice, but the full seminar recording is currently being traded and will likely leak soon.
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I heard from second party that the deal is off. No leak of those recordings are being traded.
 
@Alec do you happen to know the name of this song that Korgnex shared? It sounds like one of the songs from the 2000's imo.
 
If Monster sounds like the cascio track then people who have been describing it over the years have been totally wrong lol.

Also I'm kinda doubting this myself as this is the first time anyone who claims to have heard it is saying this.
 
Such a tease how there seems to be a high number of MJ fans who have heard so much of Michael's last years of work, while we "mortals" are just sitting here everyday with our mouths watering, no hope in the useless Estate whatsoever.

Money talks (as always). Give me money and I'll fly over to the US and have a listening session at the copyright office :coffee:
 
Pentum said:
Such a tease how there seems to be a high number of MJ fans who have heard so much of Michael's last years of work, while we "mortals" are just sitting here everyday with our mouths watering, no hope in the useless Estate whatsoever.

Money talks (as always). Give me money and I'll fly over to the US and have a listening session at the copyright office :coffee:
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I'm honestly just starting to not believe people when they say they've heard something lol. Pretty easy to just say that and there's been a lot of it recently.
 
robotchicken14 said:
From what people have said of "Monster" and what we have heard of "Water", I don't think it would be a reach to say that Cascio not only heard, but was actively mimicking the production of MJ's final work with his tracks
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I Strongly believe that. Not only in terms of music but also the theme. For example Dark Lady could be the inspiration for Black Widow (thematically).
 
Pentum said:
Such a tease how there seems to be a high number of MJ fans who have heard so much of Michael's last years of work, while we "mortals" are just sitting here everyday with our mouths watering, no hope in the useless Estate whatsoever.

Money talks (as always). Give me money and I'll fly over to the US and have a listening session at the copyright office :coffee:
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It absolutely sucks. And I hate that Michael's final work--his classical album--will never see the light of day. There's no way to pay to hear that since it only exists as notes, recorded discussions, and voice memos.

What makes it an absolute tragedy in my eyes is that compared to Michael's unfinished pop songs, there's someone who knows exactly how to put it together... in a way indistinguishable from how it would have been done in 2009! In fact, the day Michael died, this person was waiting for the budget approval to hire an orchestra to record the music. Had MJ died a week later and signed off on that budget, we would have had a 45-minute classical album.

The moment David Michael Frank--the composer MJ hired to orchestrate these pieces--is gone, the chance of that music ever seeing the light of day will be gone too. He's 75 years old. The Estate never got back to him.

What a shame, really. What a shame to rob the world of hearing something so unique, created by one of the greatest musicians of all time in the final 8 weeks of his life. Yes, Michael hired David just two months before his death.

"For one of them, he had a whole section of it done in his head," Frank told Billboard. "He had not recorded it. He hummed it to me as I sat at the keyboard in his pool house and we figured it out together – I guess this recording I made is the only copy that exists of this music."
 
Alec said:
It absolutely sucks. And I hate that Michael's final work--his classical album--will never see the light of day. There's no way to pay to hear that since it only exists as notes, recorded discussions, and voice memos.

What makes it an absolute tragedy in my eyes is that compared to Michael's unfinished pop songs, there's someone who knows exactly how to put it together... in a way indistinguishable from how it would have been done in 2009! In fact, the day Michael died, this person was waiting for the budget approval to hire an orchestra to record the music. Had MJ died a week later and signed off on that budget, we would have had a 45-minute classical album.

The moment David Michael Frank--the composer MJ hired to orchestrate these pieces--is gone, the chance of that music ever seeing the light of day will be gone too. He's 75 years old. The Estate never got back to him.

What a shame, really. What a shame to rob the world of hearing something so unique, created by one of the greatest musicians of all time in the final 8 weeks of his life. Yes, Michael hired David just two months before his death.

"For one of them, he had a whole section of it done in his head," Frank told Billboard. "He had not recorded it. He hummed it to me as I sat at the keyboard in his pool house and we figured it out together – I guess this recording I made is the only copy that exists of this music."
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Did you heard dark lady ?
 
Question, its a bit unrelated but
So there are two different recordings of tyla, the full leak from the seminar, and then a much higher quality snippet(s) from the bridge and chorus, was the higher quality snippets actually recorded in full?
 
robotchicken14 said:
From what people have said of "Monster" and what we have heard of "Water", I don't think it would be a reach to say that Cascio not only heard, but was actively mimicking the production of MJ's final work with his tracks
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Monster we can't comment too much on yet, but for Water, try turning up the tempo of the songs and it will sound similar to the real Water. Definitely suspicious (thought pretty irrelevant in the end)



Alec said:
It absolutely sucks. And I hate that Michael's final work--his classical album--will never see the light of day. There's no way to pay to hear that since it only exists as notes, recorded discussions, and voice memos.

What makes it an absolute tragedy in my eyes is that compared to Michael's unfinished pop songs, there's someone who knows exactly how to put it together... in a way indistinguishable from how it would have been done in 2009! In fact, the day Michael died, this person was waiting for the budget approval to hire an orchestra to record the music. Had MJ died a week later and signed off on that budget, we would have had a 45-minute classical album.

The moment David Michael Frank--the composer MJ hired to orchestrate these pieces--is gone, the chance of that music ever seeing the light of day will be gone too. He's 75 years old. The Estate never got back to him.

What a shame, really. What a shame to rob the world of hearing something so unique, created by one of the greatest musicians of all time in the final 8 weeks of his life. Yes, Michael hired David just two months before his death.

"For one of them, he had a whole section of it done in his head," Frank told Billboard. "He had not recorded it. He hummed it to me as I sat at the keyboard in his pool house and we figured it out together – I guess this recording I made is the only copy that exists of this music."
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It's baffling, man. It seems like one of their tactics is to just wait for everyone who worked with Michael, to pass away, which is happening at a rapid rate unfortunately. They're so soulless..

Neat piece of information regarding David Michael Frank... Hopefully he will share more information about it sooner or later before he also passes away. Spill it all out
 
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