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[MattyJam]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

Yes, I have. Have you not read his new blog post?
Anyway, I think he has every right to be angry. He doesn't deserve all the hate that MJ's fans are giving him, based on nothing but hearsay and biased opinion.

My opinion on the Cascio tracks is not based on hearsay or biased opinion. It is based on the fact that I have listened to four Cascio recordings and the vocals on all of them sound highly suspiscious.

The more angry Teddy Riley gets, the more it looks like a case of doth-I-protest-too-much.

How does Teddy Riley know anyway? He wasn't in the studio when these songs were recorded.

 

[Anna]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

My opinion on the Cascio tracks is not based on hearsay or biased opinion. It is based on the fact that I have listened to four Cascio recordings and the vocals on all of them sound highly suspiscious.

The more angry Teddy Riley gets, the more it looks like a case of doth-I-protest-too-much.

How does Teddy Riley know anyway? He wasn't in the studio when these songs were recorded.

Does your opinion justify people hating on Riley? I think not. None of the doubters have any proof.

 

[Calotte12]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

Quincy Jones ? ahah he said ''it sounds like him but i cant tell for sure because the voice is too processed'' ? Where do you see he doesnt think its michael ?

Michael family ? is it really a reliable source ? LMAO

I prefer to trust Bruce Swedien and everyone who works with MJ recently !

And trust me, the more CRAZY michael jackson fan will not buy the album, the other will because its the first new solo album of MJ since 9 years, i think, AS A FAN, its a must do ?

AND the album is amazing.

 

[kopwatcher]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

Does your opinion justify people hating on Riley? I think not. None of the doubters have any proof.

Think about what you're saying. If that doesn't justify it, I don't know what does. Other than Teddy pissing over his casket.

 

[MattyJam]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

Quincy Jones ? ahah he said ''it sounds like him but i cant tell for sure because the voice is too processed'' ? Where do you see he doesnt think its michael ?

Michael family ? is it really a reliable source ? LMAO

I prefer to trust Bruce Swedien and everyone who works with MJ recently !

And trust me, the more CRAZY michael jackson fan will not buy the album, the other will because its the first new solo album of MJ since 9 years, i think, AS A FAN, its a must do ?

AND the album is amazing.

I have bought the album. The seven genuine songs are excellent, which is why I bought it.

But I do not support the estates decision to include three tracks with questionnable vocals.

 

[Anna]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

Think about what you're saying. If that doesn't justify it, I don't know what does. Other than Teddy pissing over his casket.

So basically, you think it's okay to verbally attack people without any evidence they've done anything?

 

[love is magical]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

Quincy Jones ? ahah he said ''it sounds like him but i cant tell for sure because the voice is too processed'' ? Where do you see he doesnt think its michael ?

Michael family ? is it really a reliable source ? LMAO

I prefer to trust Bruce Swedien and everyone who works with MJ recently !

And trust me, the more CRAZY michael jackson fan will not buy the album, the other will because its the first new solo album of MJ since 9 years, i think, AS A FAN, its a must do ?

AND the album is amazing.

AS A FAN, it's not a must do. There is no rule that said a fan has to buy every Michael Jackson product.

There are fans who didn't go to the theatre to see TII, not becasue they believe into TINI campaign, but becasue it's too much for them to see Michael's last rehearsal. Are they not fans in your eyes?

It's okay for different people to think differently. It's okay for different people to honor Michael in different ways. Some fans feel guilty to buy album released without Michael's approval. Are they not fans?

 

[MattyJam]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

So basically, you think it's okay to verbally attack people without any evidence they've done anything?

What evidence is there that the songs are authentic?

Forensic tests paid for by Sony?

I wonder if they felt the need to have forensic musicologists test Behind The Mask or Best Of Joy??? Of course not. Because they sound like Michael Jackson singing,

The very fact that they felt the need to go to such drastic measures to prove the authenticity goes to show how fundamentally suspect the Cascio songs sound.

 

[Anna]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

What evidence is there that the songs are authentic?

Forensic tests paid for by Sony?

I wonder if they felt the need to have forensic musicologists test Behind The Mask or Best Of Joy??? Of course not. Because they sound like Michael Jackson singing,

The very fact that they felt the need to go to such drastic measures to prove the authenticity goes to show how fundamentally suspect the Cascio songs sound.

They only did those tests in the first place because doubts were raised over the vocals on the Cascio tracks.

 

[KOPV]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

the only evidance against the case that it IS Michael is what than??? I don't see why people are cutting down the evidance of why it would be like Michael without bringing evidance to the table...... they bring theory from what they hear.. the producer himself is saying it sounds different because it was sh!tty recording and they had to adjust things to make it releasable

 

[di12]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

Thank you

 

[love is magical]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

They only did those tests in the first place because doubts were raised over the vocals on the Cascio tracks.

That's not how understand it from the official statement. According to the official statement, tests were done prior to the outbreak of such controversy. I can be wrong. It's the way I intrepreted it.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

the only evidance against the case that it IS Michael is what than??? I don't see why people are cutting down the evidance of why it would be like Michael without bringing evidance to the table...... they bring theory from what they hear.. the producer himself is saying it sounds different because it was sh!tty recording and they had to adjust things to make it releasable

seriously, authenticity issue aside. does it sound right to you? is it the right thing to treat michael's records? do you want any more sh!tty recording in future projects?

 

[Anna]

That's not how understand it from the official statement. According to the official statement, tests were done prior to the outbreak of such controversy. I can be wrong. It's the way I intrepreted it.

Yes, I wasn't talking about the fans. From Howard Weitzman's statement:

The day after the submission and selection of the album tracks, for the very first time, the authenticity of Michael’s vocals on the Cascio tracks was questioned.

Because of these questions, I was immediately asked by co-Executors John Branca and John McClain to conduct an investigation regarding the authenticity of the lead vocals on the Cascio tracks.

 

[KOPV]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

to be hones hardly anything on the album sounds MICHAEL JACKSON ready.. not just the cascio tracks.. while I enjoy all of them, I know Michael would not have been 100% pleased.. the only track would be BEST OF JOY since (from what we hear) was completed by him.. Aside from that the entire album would have been different, but we cannot expect that anymore.. sadly he's gone.. the layering is not like how michael would do it, with this album most of the songs have beats.. no longer instramentals like Michael would have made them.. the instramentals are not thickly developed like how Michael usually would do it where he learned from Quincy since he's a jazz artists and are the BEST at it.. SO!! we enjoy what we can.. I can tell the voices have been touched but I do believe its Michael.. Even an edited Michael is better than any impersonator can do

 

[Travis]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

I am sick and tired of the way people are attacking each other over this stupid ass controversy. This is not directed towards everyone, because not everyone is acting like jackasses, but unfortunately many are. STRAIGHTEN YOUR ACT out or leave because to be quite honest, you are the ones "ruining MJ's legacy" and don't even deserve to be fans. You're rude and the exact opposite of everything Michael Jackson represents. Innocent people are being attacked and it ain't right. What happened to L.O.V.E? Mods need to start cracking down and wash away all the insanity. This has got to stop. I don't care what side of the fence you are on, you can't carry on this way. I believe the tracks are all Michael because there isn't any evidence to the contrary. Logic rules, not chaos. Seriously, pull it together.

 

[love is magical]

Yes, I wasn't talking about the fans. From Howard Weitzman's statement:

The day after the submission and selection of the album tracks, for the very first time, the authenticity of Michael’s vocals on the Cascio tracks was questioned.

Because of these questions, I was immediately asked by co-Executors John Branca and John McClain to conduct an investigation regarding the authenticity of the lead vocals on the Cascio tracks.

Questioned by who? the executors themselves? certainly not the fans. no one had any idea how the Cascio tracks sound back then.

Why just the Cascio tracks were questioned? Because the sound was poor?

 

[KOPV]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

I don't really care if someone personally does not think its Michael and I really don't care to convince them.. I mean why?? I get to enjoy what I want so why let it bother me?? I just want the album to be publically accepted and sell well... Is that wrong to ask?? Not to me..

Even IF it wernt Michael and the whole world thought it was and thought it was amazing, I would not care really!! for the most part

 

[Anna]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

Questioned by who? the executors themselves? certainly not the fans. no one had any idea how the Cascio tracks sound back then.

Why just the Cascio tracks were questioned? Because the sound was poor?

I'm not sure who questioned them. But judging by the amount of processing on the Cascio tracks, the quality must have been quite poor originally.
But they did all their tests and if Sony weren't sure it was MJ, I highly doubt they would risk so much by putting the tracks on the album. If they didn't have proof it was MJ, they could face legal action and jeopardise future deals with The Estate, it would also taint their reputation and they'd lose a lot of money.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

to be hones hardly anything on the album sounds MICHAEL JACKSON ready.. not just the cascio tracks.. while I enjoy all of them, I know Michael would not have been 100% pleased.. the only track would be BEST OF JOY since (from what we hear) was completed by him.. Aside from that the entire album would have been different, but we cannot expect that anymore.. sadly he's gone.. the layering is not like how michael would do it, with this album most of the songs have beats.. no longer instramentals like Michael would have made them.. the instramentals are not thickly developed like how Michael usually would do it where he learned from Quincy since he's a jazz artists and are the BEST at it.. SO!! we enjoy what we can.. I can tell the voices have been touched but I do believe its Michael.. Even an edited Michael is better than any impersonator can do

Thank you so much for you post. I appreciate your honesty. There are so many people who are so excited about this album. They don't want to admit the shortcomings of this album. This album is enjoyable; but, hardly a masterpiece.

I agree with you that hardly any song on the ablum is complete. As good as Hollywood Tonight, the "incompleteness" is so obvious; but, the end result is listenable and enjoyable.

I'm not being greedy here. I fully understand Michael is not here to complete his works. What I ask for is simple. I hope the producers and the Estate can treat his works with respect and dignity.

But, in this project, Teddy Riley admitted he over-produced certain records in order to make them releasable...

 

[love is magical]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

I'm not sure who questioned them. But judging by the amount of processing on the Cascio tracks, the quality must have been quite poor originally.
But they did all their tests and if Sony weren't sure it was MJ, I highly doubt they would risk so much by putting the tracks on the album. If they didn't have proof it was MJ, they could face legal action and jeopardise future deals with The Estate, it would also taint their reputation and they'd lose a lot of money.

I actually never doubt they have proof that the vocals are MJ. But, why they chose to work on demos with such poor quality?

 

[Ingelief]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

ok monster is not that bad, and teddy did also holliwood tonight! so thats a great song. he did a good job, and we dont know what he had to work with. and we dont know what michael said to him when he was alive. maybe something like i want this song to be released and when he died he made it happen... and we all know you cant sing the best every day, so maybe the vocals werent at the best he could have done it.

I believe now having the album in 1 its michael 2 its a good thing what they choose problably because the knew michael would want it and 3 the other songs would probl be released furtherlong...

 

[PurpleParrot]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

So we already had the hoax figth between fans, now there's the album fight.. can't you just all say , ''well, that's the way I see it but you are entitled to your opinion.''

Could you stop insulting each other now? Please. This is painful and sad to read. So what, people have different opinions, can't anybody live with that?

I'm not byuing the album for my own personnal reasons, that doesn't mean I have to spit on those who'll buy it, and that doesn't mean I have to be insulted by them either.

Please take a deep breath and ask yourself if the way things are going right now between fans is really bringing something useful to you.

With love.

 

[Ingelief]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

oh and hold my hand was also completed... not only best of joy *which i dont like*

 

[Anna]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

I actually never doubt they have proof that the vocals are MJ. But, why they chose to work on demos with such poor quality?

I guess because they thought the songs were good. Which they are. Even if the end result is very processed.

 

[cppounders]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

What evidence is there that the songs are authentic?

Forensic tests paid for by Sony?

I wonder if they felt the need to have forensic musicologists test Behind The Mask or Best Of Joy??? Of course not. Because they sound like Michael Jackson singing,

The very fact that they felt the need to go to such drastic measures to prove the authenticity goes to show how fundamentally suspect the Cascio songs sound.

What evidence is there that the songs are NOT authentic? The non-believers are the ones that have the burden of proof in this case, not the Estate and not Sony. Don't think that it's him? Then get off your ass and sue them then!

You said yourself that you bought the album; if you feel you have 3 songs that aren't Michael, then you have been defrauded and should take legal action. Since it's so obvious, as you say, then of course you will win? Why is it that everyone is quick to complain but then won't do a thing?

Sony and the Estate can't just claim that they had forensic tests done and that people's opinions are this or that. If they are lying, then they are legally culpable for those actions. None of those who were named in the Estate's statement have come forward and said that the statement was incorrect. Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, Stewart Brawley, Michael Prince, Dr. Freeze and Teddy Riley. That's a pretty substantial list.

I'm so sick of all of this same tired crap being brought in to EVERY SINGLE THREAD on this forum without any type of evidence to back it up. We could be talking about how great the horns are in Behind the Mask, and people will pop in with "better than those 3 fake Cascio tracks." It's beyond ridiculous... if you don't have any proof, then either hire your own audiologist and find some, then take legal action or go back to the threads where that discussion would actually be considered ON TOPIC.

Again, the burden lies in the non-believers. And continually, the burden cannot be met. I fully think people should have their own opinion and if you don't believe that it's MJ, then fine... but it has its own place.

 

[KOPV]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

Michael has always been a true musician!! I can gaurenty you that at least 7 tracks that are on there would not be, and the ones that could possibly would have sounded different.. (against aside from BOJ) this is not MICHAEL JACKSONS album but it is a MICHAEL JACKSON album. we will never get his authentic work in full again.. As much as I hate to say it.. voices may be ultered, lets talk about Britney Spears and how her voice is ultered even though shes recorded in a studio.. not in voicemail or through pvc pipe or anything.. so give me a break!! Now its what was left of Michaels work left in the hands of todays music industry..

in an industry of auto-tunes, vocal filtering, beat making instead of true instramentals... we should be happy the album sounds the way it does..

If todays music indusry would change a nice voice like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXdvLiZy97U


TO THIS: (I would never guess this was Jamie foxx)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfjtpp90lu8

than we cannot expect TRUE MICHAEL JACKSON at its GREATEST

 

[Anna]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

What evidence is there that the songs are NOT authentic? The non-believers are the ones that have the burden of proof in this case, not the Estate and not Sony. Don't think that it's him? Then get off your ass and sue them then!

You said yourself that you bought the album; if you feel you have 3 songs that aren't Michael, then you have been defrauded and should take legal action. Since it's so obvious, as you say, then of course you will win? Why is it that everyone is quick to complain but then won't do a thing?

Sony and the Estate can't just claim that they had forensic tests done and that people's opinions are this or that. If they are lying, then they are legally culpable for those actions. None of those who were named in the Estate's statement have come forward and said that the statement was incorrect. Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, Stewart Brawley, Michael Prince, Dr. Freeze and Teddy Riley. That's a pretty substantial list.

I'm so sick of all of this same tired crap being brought in to EVERY SINGLE THREAD on this forum without any type of evidence to back it up. We could be talking about how great the horns are in Behind the Mask, and people will pop in with "better than those 3 fake Cascio tracks." It's beyond ridiculous... if you don't have any proof, then either hire your own audiologist and find some, then take legal action or go back to the threads where that discussion would actually be considered ON TOPIC.

Again, the burden lies in the non-believers. And continually, the burden cannot be met. I fully think people should have their own opinion and if you don't believe that it's MJ, then fine... but it has its own place.

Yes, thank you!

 

[Travis]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

What evidence is there that the songs are NOT authentic? The non-believers are the ones that have the burden of proof in this case, not the Estate and not Sony. Don't think that it's him? Then get off your ass and sue them then!

You said yourself that you bought the album; if you feel you have 3 songs that aren't Michael, then you have been defrauded and should take legal action. Since it's so obvious, as you say, then of course you will win? Why is it that everyone is quick to complain but then won't do a thing?

Sony and the Estate can't just claim that they had forensic tests done and that people's opinions are this or that. If they are lying, then they are legally culpable for those actions. None of those who were named in the Estate's statement have come forward and said that the statement was incorrect. Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, Stewart Brawley, Michael Prince, Dr. Freeze and Teddy Riley. That's a pretty substantial list.

I'm so sick of all of this same tired crap being brought in to EVERY SINGLE THREAD on this forum without any type of evidence to back it up. We could be talking about how great the horns are in Behind the Mask, and people will pop in with "better than those 3 fake Cascio tracks." It's beyond ridiculous... if you don't have any proof, then either hire your own audiologist and find some, then take legal action or go back to the threads where that discussion would actually be considered ON TOPIC.

Again, the burden lies in the non-believers. And continually, the burden cannot be met. I fully think people should have their own opinion and if you don't believe that it's MJ, then fine... but it has its own place.

Amen to that! I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you!:clapping:

 

[Graf]

Re: Teddy Riley explains why MJ sounds different on some of the tracks

Here's my perspective on this..I'm going to buy this album, I support this album..But I won't kid myself, the vocals on the Cascio songs sound messed up, they don't sound like him. The estate, Sony and everyone involved is saying "It may not sound like him, but it is him." and I will accept that unless something else comes forward.

If the reasoning on why they don't sound like Michael is because they did had to do all sorts of things and altering of the voice because it was a rough vocal or something then so be it, I'll accept that. But please, if someone says the Cascio tracks are not him, how can you blame them for that, because it fully doesn't sound like him other than the odd part here and there. Again, I'm FULLY supporting this album and unless somethings comes a long to prove it's not him, then I guess I have no choice but to believe it is..The Cascio tracks are not bad songs one bit, and to me it's great if they in fact Michael singing...