I actually would think Michael would want his family to be successful too because for one thing they would not have to be so financially dependent on him. I actually think he was happy for janet and she didn't need financial help. Who knows what happen. But I think the day that Michael became the lead singer of the Jackson 5 was where the real problems between them all started.
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Roger Friedman latest throw-up - Michael Jackson Plotted to End Brother Jermaine’s Career
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Margaret Maldonado' account of what transpired after "Word to the Badd!" was released:
MARGARET: [Jermaine] was getting the brush off by LAFace Records. They seemed to be coming up with excuse after excuse for postponing the start of the recording sessions. I took matters into my own hands and telephoned Vernon Schlatter, the president of LAFace, to ask when Jermaine would be going into the studio. He said everyone was out of town and he would get back to me. Three months went by with no word. Finally I called again. This time I was told LA and Babyface were in Los Angeles working with Michael Jackson on his new album, Dangerous.
It was a bombshell. Jermaine was more than hurt: he was furious. Michael knew how excited Jermaine was and that we had moved to Atlanta specifically to work with these producers. “He could have any producers he wanted!” Jermaine screamed. “Why does he have to take the two who are working with me?”
The answer is that Michael wanted the best in the business and the best wanted to work with him. Even a single hit on a Michael Jackson album could earn them millions of dollars. A hit on a Jermaine Jackson album had little chance of doing the same. In a way, I couldn’t blame Michael. He was being a shrewd business man and, as anyone involved in the record business knows, this sort of things goes on all the time.
When LA and Babyface finally returned to Atlanta, it was with empty pockets. Michael Jackson hadn’t used any of their material on his new album, so they headed into the studio with Jermaine. The first song they recorded was a single entitled, Word To The Badd!
It was the song in which Jermaine lambasted his brother Michael and created a rift that continues to this day.
When I first heard the lyrics to Jermaine’s Word To The Bad! I was saddened, but hardly surprised. Jermaine’s jealousy of his brother had hit epic proportions by mid 1991... the lyrics were so vile that I initially thought it was some sort of sick joke. Surely Jermaine had no intention of releasing a record in which he lambasted his brother for neglecting his family, lightening his skin color, and having plastic surgery. (Margaret said that Jermaine and the Jacksons had known about his vitiligo for years) It was scary. It got even scarier when Jermaine told me that was exactly what he was going to do.
He had written the song to put Michael in his place. Jermaine thought the song was the best thing he had ever done. When I asked Jermaine if he thought a song like that could ever make it on his record, his response was, “I don’t know, but I want it to.”
“Word to the Badd!” was mysteriously leaked to a radio station in Los Angeles several days before Black or White’s” official release. Both singles, Black or White” and “Word to the Badd!”, were dropped of separately in the early evening at the same radio station in brown paper bags. No note; no instructions.
The station played both records, first “Black or White,” then “Word to the Badd!” Over and over, those were the only two songs the disc jockey played. The telephone at Hayvenhurst began to ring as friends and business associates heard ‘‘Badd” and reacted.
Jermaine walked around strutting like a peacock. In his entire career, he had never had his music played so much on the air. He was invigorated by the controversy and loved the intrigue of how the songs were leaked. Clive Davis, president of Arista Records, was less than pleased, as was Jermaine’s producer.
The following morning at 10 o’clock, Michael came up the driveway of the Hayvenhurst house. We watched his arrival from our bedroom window. Jermaine seemed to welcome the opportunity to confront Michael face-to-face. When LA and BabyFace had disappeared from Atlanta and we discovered they were working for Michael, Jermaine made repeated attempts to contact his brother. None of his calls was ever returned. This was his moment to speak to Michael and he seemed ready for anything. Other published accounts of this confrontation suggest that Michael and Jermaine came to blows in the driveway between the guard gate and the recording studio. It was said that Michael physically attacked Jermaine, promising to “kiss ass”. Nothing could be further from the truth.
When Michael entered the house, he and Jermaine went into the trophy room off the foyer and closed the door. A second later Katherine went in to mediate their discussion.
Thoughts were racing through my head as I waited for an explosion. First, I knew we would be kicked out of the house; after all, Michael was paying for everything—the phones, the cars, the cooks, the maids, the security, the gardeners, the pool men, the maintenance men, everything!
…
The telephone rang again. It was Clive Davis. “Margaret, what’s going on?’’ he asked. I had to tell him what I had told Bob Lee, Basically, I didn’t know anything, but said I’d call him the second the meeting broke up.
The next call came from Jermaine’s attorney, Joel Katz, in Atlanta. He had heard about the record on the news. “What’s going on? I heard this song has been leaked to radio. What, has Jermaine gone nuts? He’s going to kill his career.”
Again, I repeated my plea of ignorance and my pledge to all back as soon as I had any news. The meeting lasted a good half hour before the door to the trophy room finally opened. Michael left the house without saying a word to anyone. Soon afterward, Jermaine left as well. I immediately went running to Katherine to learn what had happened and tried to read the reaction on her face.
“I don’t understand Jermaine,” Katherine said to me as we settled into chairs in the kitchen. He was so mean to Michael. Michael was crying at the way his brother was treating him. Michael kept repeating over and over, ‘Why Jermaine? Why did you do it?’”
Katherine said Jermaine slammed his hand down on the table and said, “You’re just mad because it’s my turn now. Somebody else is getting some of the spotlight.”
She said Michael just sat there and took the accusations Jermaine was handing out. When he did finally speak, it was only to repeat himself. “I’m your brother. How could you write something like that about me?”
Jermaine never responded directly to the question, but rather talked about the fact that Michael had never call him back about the LaToya—BabyFace affair.
“Please Jermaine, don’t release this song. It’s not going to hurt my career, but it will totally ruin yours. My fans aren’t going to care. Don’t do it Jermaine, for your own sake,” Michael pleaded.
Jermaine wouldn’t listen. Essentially the meeting was over. Jermaine had shown absolutely no remorse. He said he wrote the song and he was going to stand by it. At that point Michael left. I could tell Katherine was embarrassed for Jermaine. She kept shaking her head and saying, “I don’t know. I don’t know what’s gotten into the boy.”
…
… I begged Jermaine to call his brother and end the entire fiasco. I couldn’t get Jermaine to believe how stupid he was being.
“Hell, no,” Jermaine shouted at me. “This is what Michael needs. He needs someone like me to put some fire under his ass. To let him know that he’s not the only one around here who can create some heat. He’s just scared because he knows that I’m going to happen this time. He’d better watch out for his brother, Jermaine.”
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MARGARET: [Jermaine] was getting the brush off by LAFace Records. They seemed to be coming up with excuse after excuse for postponing the start of the recording sessions. I took matters into my own hands and telephoned Vernon Schlatter, the president of LAFace, to ask when Jermaine would be going into the studio. He said everyone was out of town and he would get back to me. Three months went by with no word. Finally I called again. This time I was told LA and Babyface were in Los Angeles working with Michael Jackson on his new album, Dangerous.
It was a bombshell. Jermaine was more than hurt: he was furious. Michael knew how excited Jermaine was and that we had moved to Atlanta specifically to work with these producers. “He could have any producers he wanted!” Jermaine screamed. “Why does he have to take the two who are working with me?”
The answer is that Michael wanted the best in the business and the best wanted to work with him. Even a single hit on a Michael Jackson album could earn them millions of dollars. A hit on a Jermaine Jackson album had little chance of doing the same. In a way, I couldn’t blame Michael. He was being a shrewd business man and, as anyone involved in the record business knows, this sort of things goes on all the time.
When LA and Babyface finally returned to Atlanta, it was with empty pockets. Michael Jackson hadn’t used any of their material on his new album, so they headed into the studio with Jermaine. The first song they recorded was a single entitled, Word To The Badd!
It was the song in which Jermaine lambasted his brother Michael and created a rift that continues to this day.
When I first heard the lyrics to Jermaine’s Word To The Bad! I was saddened, but hardly surprised. Jermaine’s jealousy of his brother had hit epic proportions by mid 1991... the lyrics were so vile that I initially thought it was some sort of sick joke. Surely Jermaine had no intention of releasing a record in which he lambasted his brother for neglecting his family, lightening his skin color, and having plastic surgery. (Margaret said that Jermaine and the Jacksons had known about his vitiligo for years) It was scary. It got even scarier when Jermaine told me that was exactly what he was going to do.
He had written the song to put Michael in his place. Jermaine thought the song was the best thing he had ever done. When I asked Jermaine if he thought a song like that could ever make it on his record, his response was, “I don’t know, but I want it to.”
“Word to the Badd!” was mysteriously leaked to a radio station in Los Angeles several days before Black or White’s” official release. Both singles, Black or White” and “Word to the Badd!”, were dropped of separately in the early evening at the same radio station in brown paper bags. No note; no instructions.
The station played both records, first “Black or White,” then “Word to the Badd!” Over and over, those were the only two songs the disc jockey played. The telephone at Hayvenhurst began to ring as friends and business associates heard ‘‘Badd” and reacted.
Jermaine walked around strutting like a peacock. In his entire career, he had never had his music played so much on the air. He was invigorated by the controversy and loved the intrigue of how the songs were leaked. Clive Davis, president of Arista Records, was less than pleased, as was Jermaine’s producer.
The following morning at 10 o’clock, Michael came up the driveway of the Hayvenhurst house. We watched his arrival from our bedroom window. Jermaine seemed to welcome the opportunity to confront Michael face-to-face. When LA and BabyFace had disappeared from Atlanta and we discovered they were working for Michael, Jermaine made repeated attempts to contact his brother. None of his calls was ever returned. This was his moment to speak to Michael and he seemed ready for anything. Other published accounts of this confrontation suggest that Michael and Jermaine came to blows in the driveway between the guard gate and the recording studio. It was said that Michael physically attacked Jermaine, promising to “kiss ass”. Nothing could be further from the truth.
When Michael entered the house, he and Jermaine went into the trophy room off the foyer and closed the door. A second later Katherine went in to mediate their discussion.
Thoughts were racing through my head as I waited for an explosion. First, I knew we would be kicked out of the house; after all, Michael was paying for everything—the phones, the cars, the cooks, the maids, the security, the gardeners, the pool men, the maintenance men, everything!
…
The telephone rang again. It was Clive Davis. “Margaret, what’s going on?’’ he asked. I had to tell him what I had told Bob Lee, Basically, I didn’t know anything, but said I’d call him the second the meeting broke up.
The next call came from Jermaine’s attorney, Joel Katz, in Atlanta. He had heard about the record on the news. “What’s going on? I heard this song has been leaked to radio. What, has Jermaine gone nuts? He’s going to kill his career.”
Again, I repeated my plea of ignorance and my pledge to all back as soon as I had any news. The meeting lasted a good half hour before the door to the trophy room finally opened. Michael left the house without saying a word to anyone. Soon afterward, Jermaine left as well. I immediately went running to Katherine to learn what had happened and tried to read the reaction on her face.
“I don’t understand Jermaine,” Katherine said to me as we settled into chairs in the kitchen. He was so mean to Michael. Michael was crying at the way his brother was treating him. Michael kept repeating over and over, ‘Why Jermaine? Why did you do it?’”
Katherine said Jermaine slammed his hand down on the table and said, “You’re just mad because it’s my turn now. Somebody else is getting some of the spotlight.”
She said Michael just sat there and took the accusations Jermaine was handing out. When he did finally speak, it was only to repeat himself. “I’m your brother. How could you write something like that about me?”
Jermaine never responded directly to the question, but rather talked about the fact that Michael had never call him back about the LaToya—BabyFace affair.
“Please Jermaine, don’t release this song. It’s not going to hurt my career, but it will totally ruin yours. My fans aren’t going to care. Don’t do it Jermaine, for your own sake,” Michael pleaded.
Jermaine wouldn’t listen. Essentially the meeting was over. Jermaine had shown absolutely no remorse. He said he wrote the song and he was going to stand by it. At that point Michael left. I could tell Katherine was embarrassed for Jermaine. She kept shaking her head and saying, “I don’t know. I don’t know what’s gotten into the boy.”
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… I begged Jermaine to call his brother and end the entire fiasco. I couldn’t get Jermaine to believe how stupid he was being.
“Hell, no,” Jermaine shouted at me. “This is what Michael needs. He needs someone like me to put some fire under his ass. To let him know that he’s not the only one around here who can create some heat. He’s just scared because he knows that I’m going to happen this time. He’d better watch out for his brother, Jermaine.”
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"When LA and Babyface finally returned to Atlanta, it was with empty pockets. Michael Jackson hadn’t used any of their material on his new album, so they headed into the studio with Jermaine. The first song they recorded was a single entitled, Word To The Badd!" So now we know that the producers did return to him, so in what way did Michael sabotage his career?
Michael pays for everything in the house Jermaine lives in & Jermaine tries to put Michael in his place. It is like trying to harm the one who takes care of you. Typical Jackson behavior. Now let's see what Jermaine has to say about Clive's account.
Michael pays for everything in the house Jermaine lives in & Jermaine tries to put Michael in his place. It is like trying to harm the one who takes care of you. Typical Jackson behavior. Now let's see what Jermaine has to say about Clive's account.
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WTF???? >>>
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:rollin:Can't get over how funny this part is and how made up it is! MJ payed the bills in that house. I sure entering the front door was quite easy for him at any given damn time he wanted too!
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"When I first heard the lyrics to Jermaine’s Word To The Bad! I was saddened, but hardly surprised. Jermaine’s jealousy of his brother had hit epic proportions by mid 1991... the lyrics were so vile that I initially thought it was some sort of sick joke. Surely Jermaine had no intention of releasing a record in which he lambasted his brother for neglecting his family, lightening his skin color, and having plastic surgery. (Margaret said that Jermaine and the Jacksons had known about his vitiligo for years) It was scary. It got even scarier when Jermaine told me that was exactly what he was going to do."
The bolded part could have been about Jermaine himself. He is well know for neglecting his family/kids, not paying child support, having affairs with other women while married, and had plastic surgery, so basically he was singing about himself
"Katherine said Jermaine slammed his hand down on the table and said, “You’re just mad because it’s my turn now. Somebody else is getting some of the spotlight.”
Getting some spotlight requires hard work and dedication to ones craft. Jermaine wasn't ready to work for it. He always relies on someone else to push him to the light, but he makes nothing himself to help himself. Unfortunately for Jermaine La Reid and Babyface weren't miracle workers, even they couldn't made something out of him.
The bolded part could have been about Jermaine himself. He is well know for neglecting his family/kids, not paying child support, having affairs with other women while married, and had plastic surgery, so basically he was singing about himself
"Katherine said Jermaine slammed his hand down on the table and said, “You’re just mad because it’s my turn now. Somebody else is getting some of the spotlight.”
Getting some spotlight requires hard work and dedication to ones craft. Jermaine wasn't ready to work for it. He always relies on someone else to push him to the light, but he makes nothing himself to help himself. Unfortunately for Jermaine La Reid and Babyface weren't miracle workers, even they couldn't made something out of him.
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In Jermaine's delusional mind he thought those two were his passport to stardom, it requires more than good producer to get on top. It is easier to blame MJ than to think what was the real reason that he was unsuccessful.
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Yes. I want to hear what Jermaine thinks about this because I've heard that he has spent years denying that he wrote that song. So Jermaine needs to say something, in my opinion.
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When I thought I couldn't respect Jrmaine any less...
He sure does have a nerve going on stage performing Michael's songs after all the resentment on Michael and after having wanted to have a career on his own for so many years!
He sure does have a nerve going on stage performing Michael's songs after all the resentment on Michael and after having wanted to have a career on his own for so many years!
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I got this funny image in my head after reading that bit. MJ climbed up, went through a window like swashbuckler Errol Flynn in his movies
Michael the daredevil
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According to clive's book, this whole hijacking of jerm's producers was just for a fortnight?? So mj was only responsible for adding a coupla weeks to jerm's schedule and somehow according to roger this was a plot to end jerm's career? Margaret baby mama's book suggests jerms was waiting around alot longer for la and babyface, but in fact clive's book makes out that mj was only responsible for taking up 2 weeks of laface's time.
Actually, I can well believe jerms thinks his career was sabotaged by mj. As he showed on that norwegian chat show he is capable of believing alot of nonsense, this wouldn't be much of a stretch for him.
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The claim that Michael tried to sabotage Jermaine's career has been going on for years. And to me, that claim makes less sense than no sense. Jermaine should have been actually trying to have a career instead of sitting back and letting Michael pay for everything. Jermaine was living in the house on Michael's money. But yet, we're supposed to believe that Jermaine really wanted to work and Michael wouldn't let him? Please. In my opinion, Jermaine seems to have wanted Michael involved in everything that the family did too much to have a valid claim that Michael tried to ruin him. I don't believe that if Jermaine really thought that badly about Michael that Jermaine would bother to even be around him, much less try for years to help the family get Michael involved in tours and other projects. And besides, L.A. and Babyface could have said no to Michael. And according to this book, they did not. So how was that Michael's fault? Jermaine has not released an album since the early 1990's at least. If his "You Said" album wasn't a success, it has nothing to do with Michael because L.A. and Babyface did try to help Jermaine. And Michael is not to blame from Jermaine's lack of success since then either.
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Crazy right? As if that's a good excuse as to why he STILL SANG it!:blink:
Also it's ridiculous to believe MJ wanted to sabotage his family careers when all his life he was paying for them and their children. Cause who in their right mind would be thrilled to take care of so many people and their kids on top of it!? The man would have been grateful if they would have gotten up their lazy asses and did something for themselves once!
You don't try to publically humiliate your own brother no matter what. Michael could have said A LOT publically about his family but he always respected them and said how much he loved them. Even when if he felt frustrated or mad at them he never tried to deliberately hurt any of them. We all have issues with people in our families but that should be private.
The Jacksons are about "me, me and me" and when no one pays attention they drag Michael into things because they know they will get the attention then. Instead of the resentment it would be nice if they show appreciation for all Michael did to help them.
Michael got vitiligo from his father's side of the family. It could have happened to Jermaine and I don't think he would have appreciated his brother writing a song about him and implying he did something when it was the disease. Shameful.It's bad enough when strangers do that but not family.
The Jacksons are about "me, me and me" and when no one pays attention they drag Michael into things because they know they will get the attention then. Instead of the resentment it would be nice if they show appreciation for all Michael did to help them.
Michael got vitiligo from his father's side of the family. It could have happened to Jermaine and I don't think he would have appreciated his brother writing a song about him and implying he did something when it was the disease. Shameful.It's bad enough when strangers do that but not family.
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Does anyone else get the feeling that Jermaine was possibly the cruelest to MJ when they were in the J5 group? I'm thinking this issue of being Mr. Popular might go further back than the early 1990s.
I also be the sense that Jermaine is very insecue person full bent on retalition when duped.
I also be the sense that Jermaine is very insecue person full bent on retalition when duped.
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It was Jermaine's 13th album and in the 20 years of Jermaine's solo career, he had 5 top 20 singles on the Hot 100. He had a moderately successful career but NOWHERE on the same level as Michael. It's crazy how folks use the excuse that the brothers's careers didn't go as they wanted because BIG BAD MICHAEL ruined them lol
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Why would Michael want to destroy his brother's career, that's :bs:? I don't think he'd want to pay forever all his brothers and sisters bills just because he could do so. No wonder why he got away from them for years.
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Michael is the charismatic one. Always was. Sometimes I wonder about just how much he had on his 'plate' for this lifetime. Family of 8 living siblings and all that comes along with that. Vitiligo and all his later life. Peeps without a clue call him 'aloof' and golden caged but I dare one of his detractors to live his life and see if they wanna give up somewhere along the age of... 10?
He's human and all. But he was also incredibly strong were others would have caved in like a dollhouse in an EF5 tornado.
He's human and all. But he was also incredibly strong were others would have caved in like a dollhouse in an EF5 tornado.
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I got this funny image in my head after reading that bit. MJ climbed up, went through a window like swashbuckler Errol Flynn in his movies
Michael the daredevil
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He was just being a romantic and practicing his monologue, for Pete's sake! Climbing through the window and all...
But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?
It is the east and Juliet is the sun!
Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,
Who is already sick and pale with grief
That thou her maid art far more fair than she.
Be not her maid, since she is envious;
Her vestal livery is but sick and green,
And none but fools do wear it. Cast it off.
It is my lady, O, it is my love!
O that she knew she were!
She speaks, yet she says nothing; what of that?
Her eye discourses, I will answer it.
I am too bold: 'tis not to me she speaks.
Two of the fairest stars in all the heaven,
Having some business, do entreat her eyes
To twinkle in their spheres till they return.
What if her eyes were there, they in her head?
The brightness of her cheek would shame those stars,
As daylight doth a lamp. Her eyes in heaven
Would through the airy region stream so bright
That birds would sing and think it were not night.
See how she leans her cheek upon her hand
O that I were a glove upon that hand,
That I might touch that cheek!
But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?
It is the east and Juliet is the sun!
Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,
Who is already sick and pale with grief
That thou her maid art far more fair than she.
Be not her maid, since she is envious;
Her vestal livery is but sick and green,
And none but fools do wear it. Cast it off.
It is my lady, O, it is my love!
O that she knew she were!
She speaks, yet she says nothing; what of that?
Her eye discourses, I will answer it.
I am too bold: 'tis not to me she speaks.
Two of the fairest stars in all the heaven,
Having some business, do entreat her eyes
To twinkle in their spheres till they return.
What if her eyes were there, they in her head?
The brightness of her cheek would shame those stars,
As daylight doth a lamp. Her eyes in heaven
Would through the airy region stream so bright
That birds would sing and think it were not night.
See how she leans her cheek upon her hand
O that I were a glove upon that hand,
That I might touch that cheek!
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Career? What career? I think Friedmann must be on crack.
If it weren't for Michael, I wouldn't even know of Jermaine's existence. At least here in Europe I don't think anyone has ever heard of him. I only know some of the other Jackson siblings' songs (or their names) because I love Michael, so naturally I developed an interest in his family. I am sorry to say this but even with the Jackson 5 and the Jacksons, all he ever was is just Michael's background singer, just like all of his brothers.
If it weren't for Michael, I wouldn't even know of Jermaine's existence. At least here in Europe I don't think anyone has ever heard of him. I only know some of the other Jackson siblings' songs (or their names) because I love Michael, so naturally I developed an interest in his family. I am sorry to say this but even with the Jackson 5 and the Jacksons, all he ever was is just Michael's background singer, just like all of his brothers.
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I read Kelly Clarkson full statement regarding what Clive said about her in his book and I'm so happy for her that she has the guts to stand up to someone like Clive! Reminded me of when MJ did the same with TM and Sony and how some artists get treated in the business! Makes MJ story even that much more credible!:yes:
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Thank you for this post...this is EXACTLY what I was going to say. :clapping: Jermaine thinks MORE of himself than he really is. He is STILL now even with Michael gone jelous of him..that is obvious to see in each and every interview that he has given since June 25th. He swears that he is now the lead singer of this Unity Tour...when in all actuality he sounds TERRIBLE...I wish someone had the nerve to tell him that to his face...because guess what...Jermaine needs a reality check. He ruined his OWN career...smh
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I got this funny image in my head after reading that bit. MJ climbed up, went through a window like swashbuckler Errol Flynn in his movies
Michael the daredevil
Funny I hope his pants did not rip as he threw one leg over the window sill. Hopefully he did not have on the gold pants because that rips easily.
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Let's hope he did! :innocent::shifty:
Although this was early 90's no Gold pants existed yet. :boohoo