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Clive Davis Confirms: Michael Jackson Plotted to End Brother Jermaine’s Career

02/19/13 12:02amRoger Friedman0

In his wonderfully juicy new book, “Soundtrack of My Life,” Clive Davis — “the Man with the 45 RPM Ears” –confirms what has always been out there: Michael Jackson purposely tried to kill off brother Jermaine’s career. In the mid 80s, Davis signed Jermaine Jackson and had a couple of hits that still stand up: “Do What You Do” and “Tell Me I’m Not Dreaming.” Michael didn’t like this.
When Clive hired Kenny “Babyface” Edmonds and LA Reid in the late 1980s to produce Jermaine’s fourth album at Arista Records, Michael had enough, Davis says. The King of Pop tied up Babyface for his own projects, ripping him away from Jermaine. Clive writes: “Jermaine couldn’t believe that Michael, his close brother, would hijack his producers’ material this way.”At a dinner in Paris, Clive recalls, Jermaine was “crying, indeed sobbing at times, so deeply hurt that his brother would do this to him.”
The older brother was so angry that he wrote his infamous song, “Word to the Badd,” which denounced Michael as shallow and selfish. Michael responded by calling Davis and demanding he take the song off of Jermaine’s new album.
Davis was between a rock and a hard place, as they say. Jermaine leaked the track so the world could hear his bitterness. Clive “I felt it would be wrong for me to tell an artist to take a song off an album. This was a family and personal matter that they would need to resolve themselves.” Eventually a watered down version of the song was officially released. Davis’s story lines up with the one told by Michael’s longtime pr man, the late Bob Jones, in his book with Stacy Brown.

I’m sorry: this is the petty side of Michael Jackson that his fans don’t like to hear about. But now we have the same story from two people who never knew each other–Bob Jones, and Clive Davis. Bob Jones wrote that Michael systematically destroyed the careers of Rebbe and Jermaine, and even LaToya, but wasn’t fast enough to stop Janet.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/02/1...ckson-plotted-to-end-brother-jermaines-career
 
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Roger Friedman and is continuous obsession of any MJ news no matter how OLD it is! Freakin Sad & HILARIOUS! Seriously...Uh does he really think anyone gives a ish about Jerms singing career any longer?! Notice how he also gives Jones B.S book some P.R too. PATHETIC! And to say "MJs petty side the fans don't like to hear" is so stupid. I mean damn why is it that he feels it's his part to even say or show that? We know no one is perfect u moron! Besides Jermaine ruined his own damn career, by always asking MJ to tour with the brothers and not doin his own stuff. And writing that sh*t song Word to The Badd, (which he blames MJ for trying to ruin his career) he himself ironically ruined his own career LMAO! Also no one put a gun to Babyface head to go with MJ if that's what he wanted to do, so is it really MJ fault here?

And if this is the best from Clives book that he can dig...Zzzzzz. GO HOME ROGER!
 
Bob Jones wrote that Michael systematically destroyed the careers of Rebbe and Jermaine, and even LaToya, but wasn’t fast enough to stop Janet.
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Roger should know better about Bob Jones. I thought he followed the trial...

Yeah, Michael wanted to destroy Rebbie's career so much that he even wrote and produced songs for her...

[video=youtube;gjSrQ7GRlLg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjSrQ7GRlLg[/video]

And as if LaToya's so called "career" needed destroying.

As for Jermaine, he and Michael had their conflicts and sure Michael wasn't a saint either, but again, to blame the failure of Jermaine's career on Michael is laughable. Jermaine went solo sooner than Michael, he had plenty of time to build a career. And if he wanted to make it on his own he shouldn't have bugged Michael all the time about Jacksons reunions.

Also that whole story is OLD! Margaret Maldonado also addresses it in her book (being more sympathetic to Michael than to Jermaine).
 
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^I know right who can forget about songs like Centipede? lol He even had Rebbie in his MJJ label as well has his nephews 3T. MJ even put Toya in his music videos as well. Like come on Roger STOP with the useless digs dude! And what does he mean MJ wasn't fast enough to stop Janet? Um...MJ was very aware of Janet's singing career from the get go and if he wasn't supported of it then why did he do background vocals/ad-libs on her song Don't stand another chance.

http://youtu.be/h2x1-qf4TOI

 
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I wonder what Jermaine's reply is going to be? He has denied all along even writing that song with those lyrics so is he going against Clive and deny , or admit that he career was depended on few producers?
Artist is not very good that if your career goes down to toilet if some producer backs off, or is it?

@respect
"And as if LaToya's so called "career" needed destroying."

All siblings mentioned in Rogers post did just fine job by themselves, they didn't need any help from Michael:)
 
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Sour grapes anyone?
 
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The irony is that Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin' featured Michael!

And with all these other examples it's certainly odd to think MJ would significantly help his siblings' careers by writing, producing and singing on their tracks and then turn around and try to 'destroy' them.

But yeah, just cause Babyface was supposedly working with MJ at the time is no excuse. Write your own damn song. And if you're Clive Davis you probably have more contacts than just Ken.

Given the time frame we're talking about here, can anyone confirm if Babyface was working with Michael? I didn't think they worked together until early-mid 90s. At least that's what the material that we absolutely know of suggests...
 
Full quote from Clive Davis book

I had signed Jermaine Jackson to Arista and, like L.A. and Babyface, he had also worked with Whitney Houston. We had some success with his three albums for the label, but as we were getting started on his fourth, I thought he might be an ideal fit for LaFace. As Michael Jackson’s older brother, Jermaine was now in his late thirties and, beginning with the Jackson 5, had been making records for more than two decades. I thought that working with L.A. and Babyface would give him a new sound, expose him to a younger audience, and bring him success on the scale that he so badly wanted. Jermaine loved the idea, and L.A. and Babyface, who had grown up with the family mystique of the Jacksons, were excited as well. It seemed like a well-made match.

As the three of them began working on Jermaine’s first album for LaFace, which would be titled You Said, Jermaine was startled to learn that his brother Michael had approached L.A. and Babyface and offered them very substantial amounts of money to work on songs for his new album, and surprisingly they had agreed to do it. Everything they wrote during this immediate, well-defined period of a couple of weeks would be for Michael to use. Jermaine couldn’t believe that Michael, his close brother, would hijack his producers’ material this way. The tensions that existed within the Jackson family are no longer a mystery to anyone, and the sibling rivalry between Michael and Jermaine was certainly one element of them. Jermaine spent his professional life very much in his younger brother’s shadow, and, as brothers will, he saw himself as every bit Michael’s equal in terms of talent. That was not the case, of course. Really, it’s hard to think of any artist who could be compared to Michael Jackson, but Jermaine could not accept that. Consequently, he regarded Michael’s hiring L.A. and Babyface as a profound betrayal, and he was shaken to his core.

I had dinner with Jermaine in Paris around this time, and he was totally disconsolate throughout the entire meal. He was crying, indeed sobbing at times, so deeply hurt that his brother would do this to him. Unfortunately, that hurt turned to anger, and Jermaine recorded a song called “Word to the Badd” that was a bitter excoriation of Michael. It was leaked to radio and instantly created a sensation. In the song, Jermaine vilified Michael for lightening his skin; for being “a child,” not “a man”; and for “takin’ my pie,” a seeming reference to the situation with L.A. and Babyface. The tabloid media covered the song intensely. Jermaine was accused of leaking the song himself to piggyback on the media attention Michael was getting for his album Dangerous, which had come out not long before, and to call attention to his own album You Said. I have no idea if Jermaine did that or not, but the publicity backfired. He came off as petty and desperate. Of course, no one knew about the dramatic situation that had triggered his anger and generated the song in the first place.

“Word to the Badd” was set to go on You Said, and there wasn’t much I could do about that, even after Michael Jackson personally called me to complain. Michael and I had always been on good terms. We would often run into each other during the glory years of Studio 54. Both of us would be taking all of it in, and he always felt comfortable being next to me. He was a huge early fan of Whitney’s, and loved her music. In later years I would regularly invite him to my pre-Grammy party. He never ended up coming; his legal problems had already started, and I’m sure his lawyers advised him that it would not be a good idea while litigation was ongoing. But in the week before the show, he would call me every day and insist that he would be there. His security and publicity people would visit the venue, and he would want to know what table he’d be seated at and with whom he’d be sitting. He’d also want to know who would be performing. I never reveal that in advance, but in his case I knew he wouldn’t tell anyone. When the O’Jays were going to be there, he was so enthusiastic: “They’ve got to play ‘Back Stabbers’!” he declaimed. “Tell them I insist they perform ‘Back Stabbers’!” We would take turns singing songs together on the phone as we talked about the various artists who would be performing and his favorite hits of theirs.

It was in this spirit that Michael called me to pull “Word to the Badd” off Jermaine’s forthcoming album. He said, “I know you have respect for me, and I have respect for you. How could you let my brother do this? I don’t want you to release that record.” I told him, “Look, Michael, Jermaine is an artist on a label in which I have an interest. I do have great respect for you, but this really is a problem between the two of you. You’ve got to deal with him directly.” As uncomfortable as I was with what Jermaine had done, I felt it would be wrong for me to tell an artist to take a song off his album. This was a family and personal matter that they needed to resolve themselves. Michael said that Jermaine was avoiding him and he couldn’t find him anywhere. I told him, “He’s just gotten to your parents’ house. I spoke to him ten minutes ago.” A few hours later, Jermaine called me. “You’ll never guess what happened,” he said. “I’m at my parents’ house, and Michael went around to the back, climbed up and went through a window, and came down the stairs and confronted me with the problem. We really had it out.” Jermaine stuck to his guns and kept the song out there, but eventually he and Michael came to some sort of understanding. Jermaine softened the lyrics to the song and changed its focus. It stayed on You Said, but much of the sting had been taken out of it. Still, even recast as a lovers’ quarrel, the song says a great deal about the hurt Jermaine felt about what Michael had done: “You never think about who you love / You only think about number one / You forgot about where we started from / You only think about what you want / You don’t care about how it’s done.” Ultimately, the album didn’t make much impact, so the song is most interesting for the personal story it tells.
 
"Jermaine spent his professional life very much in his younger brother’s shadow, and, as brothers will, he saw himself as every bit Michael’s equal in terms of talent."

That still hasn't changed. If he was as talented as Michael, changing producers wouldn't make one bit of difference.


Anyway, why Michael gets all the heat of this dispute? Shouldn't it be at least partly directed at Babyface and La Reid, they left Jermaine even though having previously agreed to work with him? Although, I understand that when Michael Jackson calls, everybody runs to him if the get chance to work with Thriller maker.

"Bob Jones wrote that Michael systematically destroyed the careers of Rebbe and Jermaine, and even LaToya, but wasn’t fast enough to stop Janet."

I suppose I better head to Jetzi to check how MJ destroyed Rebbe's career?

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I told him, “He’s just gotten to your parents’ house. I spoke to him ten minutes ago.” A few hours later, Jermaine called me. “You’ll never guess what happened,” he said. “I’m at my parents’ house, and Michael went around to the back, climbed up and went through a window, and came down the stairs and confronted me with the problem.
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Why didn't he use the front door?
 
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I don't remember any La Reid or Babyface songs produced for Michael, but my memory is not that great. Why did Jermaine try to release his album the same time Michael's was being released? I don't remember Janet and Michael having albums released at the same time. Why didn't Jermaine use that production team after they finished with Michael or on his next album release. If Michael was a producer jacker why didn't he snatch Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis early on.

My point is that even if this is true, so what. La Reid and Babyface produced for lots of people, everything they worked on was not a hit. They were not the only hot producers of the time, why didn't Jermaine use someone else. Jermaine does believe he is Michael's equal if not better in terms of talent, but that's just his opinion. Michael did not and could not keep Jermaine from performing live, and steering his own career path.
 
Does Friedman actually realise that Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming is a duet between Mj and Jermaine? And to think people take this idiot as a reliable source of info.
 
Why did MJ wai until Jermaine's fourth album to destory him??

Janet's career started when she started acting.............DUH!!!
 
I’m sorry: this is the petty side of Michael Jackson that his fans don’t like to hear about... Bob Jones wrote that Michael systematically destroyed the career of LaToya.
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Yet another example of the huge debt of gratitude the world owes to mj.
 
Great. Now this gives more ammo to those that have been spreading the nonsense that MJ sabotaged his brothers careers.
 
Bonnie Blue said:
Yet another example of the huge debt of gratitude the world owes to mj.
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:hysterical:


@AngieJ
"Great. Now this gives more ammo to those that have been spreading the nonsense that MJ sabotaged his brothers careers."
MJ has been dead for nearly 4 years and brothers hasn't got anywhere with their careers other than endless tribute concert to Michael. By now most people know why Jackson 5 was so good (MJ was in it).
 
I’m just laughing at this writer thinking he’s revealing something scandalous and horrible about Michael that fans would hate to know about, when fans have known about this for years.

I’ve heard different versions of what really happened, and I guess everybody needs to make their own decision as to what version they find the most credible. But I’m 100 % sure of this: Jermaine didn’t need Michael’s help in destroying his career.
 
Bubs said:
@AngieJ
"Great. Now this gives more ammo to those that have been spreading the nonsense that MJ sabotaged his brothers careers."
MJ has been dead for nearly 4 years and brothers hasn't got anywhere with their careers other than endless tribute concert to Michael. By now most people know why Jackson 5 was so good (MJ was in it).
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I know, right? But even with their current failures, I see family lovers pushing that BS and some actually eat up what they're saying. Just recently I saw this topic on the Prince.org forum (the artist not MJ's son)
 
Do they really believe Michael destroyed Jermaine career?

How it is even possible? La Reid and Babyface worked with Jermaine later, but they got Jermaine nowhere, even though they had excellent track record making stars out of their artists. Maybe Jermaine had a little window timeline when he was supposed to become a reputable singer, but MJ took his producers and that window closed for Jermy?:cheeky:
Tell them to get real, Jermaine wasn't much during the J5 and he was even less of that after he left J5. Producers had nothing to do with his failure.
 
According to Jackson, he was the first major act to sign with LaFace Records. Released in 1991, the entire album was produced by "The LaFace Family", consisting of L.A. Reid, Babyface, Kayo, and Darryl Simmons.[1] Compared to many of his previous releases, You Said was a commercial failure, failing to peak within the Billboard 200.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Said

So Jermaine DID release his album with L.A. Reid and Babyface. Actually it came out one month before Dangerous. It was a flop. Just because L.A. Reid and Babyface wrote and produced it it did not guarantee success.
 
Bubs said:
Do they really believe Michael destroyed Jermaine career?

How it is even possible? La Reid and Babyface worked with Jermaine later, but they got Jermaine nowhere, even though they had excellent track record making stars out of their artists. Maybe Jermaine had a little window timeline when he was supposed to become a reputable singer, but MJ took his producers and that window closed for Jermy?:cheeky:
Tell them to get real, Jermaine wasn't much during the J5 and he was even less of that after he left J5. Producers had nothing to do with his failure.
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Yeah, sadly some do just because those pushing this crap are relentless. It's like you check out an MJ thread and there you see these same set of posters pushing their agenda against MJ while propping up the family. You try to say something but then you're dismissed as just being "in denial".
 
Ugh! Damn Roger Friedman, just SHUT THE HELL UP!!! God! You being a total idiot with your big mouth!
 
Bubs;3779774 said:
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I told him, “He’s just gotten to your parents’ house. I spoke to him ten minutes ago.” A few hours later, Jermaine called me. “You’ll never guess what happened,” he said. “I’m at my parents’ house, and Michael went around to the back, climbed up and went through a window, and came down the stairs and confronted me with the problem.
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Why didn't he use the front door?
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LOL, that caught my attention too! I guess using the front door was too mainstream for Michael.
 
This is so funny, so if those producers did not leave Jermaine, Jermaine would be the King of Pop now? They need to all stop the crying. In the business, publishing, & art world people are always trying to get a manufacturer, author, singer or producer from another establishment & bring them into their own company/fold. What is all this crying about, and really Michael does not need to sabotage any one's career. If he had to, he would sabotage the careers of those who were key artists in the industry and competed with him. The thing makes no sense. Why would you try & sabotage the career of people whose fame & talent were in a class lower than yours?

Anyway didn't Jermaine talk about Badd in his book & wrote something about it was a joke & the producer leaked it? Also, why doesn't he blame his producers for leaving him after they said they would work with him? Since Michael is no longer here, Jermaine can get those producers and make some music & prove to the world that he has talent to make a big splash in the music world. Michael died in 09 & I have not seen that great talent coming from Jermaine, Rebbie, Latoya yet, so it seems Michael's alleged sabotage was not a sabotage after all.

Did I see someone mentioning Bob Jones book, talking about scraping the bottom of the pot for reliability.
 
Guys, we have to take an action on the net on articles/reports!!!!
Simply, write comments on the articles! Use the full quote from Clive Davis book posted by Ivy, and of course all info we know about Michael vs. music produced or written by MJ for his siblings.


ROGER is killing his career (if there was any) by posting this nonsense - Michael systematically destroyed the careers of Rebbe and Jermaine, and even LaToya, ----- but wasn’t fast enough to stop Janet.
Oh, Janet...???????? Come on..., which moron would buy this absurd story?

Simply, THIS KILLS Rogers career and the rest of his credibility... as an ex-reporter/now a blogger.

Michael was in the 80s the BIGGEST THING IN MUSIC, and he did not need anybody from his family to be destroyed.... by him for what??? Any competition?
Hahahahah

Nobody from the Jacksons (including Janet) has ever had any talent for anything...
 
Is it just me but does Clive in his writing basically say that Jermaine is not as talented as Michael even though Jermaine thinks he is? I seriously doubt that Michael sabotaged anyones career. Jermaine was always chasing Michael.

By the way Kelly Clarkson just said that the way Clive Davis talks about her in his book is wrong and misinformation. She said he bullied her and his memories of her time with him was wrong.
 
Clive I don't think is as great of a person as some make him out to be. Even Whitney as much as she praised him in helping her career also said he was controlling! And singer Chaka Khan was shocked that Clive after finding out that Whitney had died still had his Grammy party goin on. :bugeyed
 
Yes, yes, when will I understand that Michael isn't so awesome, yet everyone is still writing about him? Hm.

Coming to think of it, Michael might have even used deodorant, you know, and occasionally even broke a sweat. HALT THE PRINTING PRESSES!!! Michael even stepped on a mic cable once or twice, I think. He might even have been in a bad mood on occasion. Or smashed a door really loudly.

Considering every coat tail rider without originality - I still propose sainthood for Michael simply for not going KingKong on his detractors. To put up with that much %^&* takes a lot.

Btw, weren't there several interviews in which Janet and Michael had brainstormed choreography for her?? Must a be a parallel universe.
 
In Jermaine's own book , the meeting to discuss this event is arranged by Katherine and Michael enters into the house from the front door as a normal human being. Clive's version is far fetched. Do you really think in 1991 Michael would break into Hayvenhurst?

MJ has been dead for nearly 4 years and brothers hasn't got anywhere with their careers other than endless tribute concert to Michael.
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I guess you didn't get the memo. Since Michael's death Branca took over the role of resident destroyer. He destroyed all the Jacksons careers. :) Just kidding of course.

yet everyone is still writing about him?
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I would consider this as a really really brief mention of Michael as only 2 pages out of 600+ pages.
 
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