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Ray Chandler scared to death to testify in 2005

elusive moonwalker said:
because we are all he has left.its the least we can do for him dont you think? after all his kids are gonna have to live with this and have no one to explain to them what really happened unless mj had done it already his family are just as ignorant as the general public. and by their actions knew him even less.

you defined a coward
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I think it's his kids and family's responsibility to clear his name, not the fans's. As pointed out, most ppl don't listen to 'fans' and it isn't fans' responsibility to do that since we are just fans, we arent included in his will and have nothing to do with his biz.
But then I understand his family is just some greedy famewhore, he's only left with his kids. If his kids don't know what really happen, they need to find it out themselves and learn about the story of their father. It'd be a great if they could befriend ppl like Aphrodite Jones and Thomas Massareau, not the malnik family who's involved with Italian mafia that tries to get their hands in their father's multibillion fortune.
 
mjrox2011 said:
It's useless. I tried before, they said I'm only saying this because I'm a fan.
I think it should be left to his kids and family to educate the public. no one else can. Fans doing it would only lead others to think of Mj fans as crazy. It's always the case.
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If you show them hard, cold facts and they still say you are only saying this because you are a fan, then they are the ones who are blinded by their preconceptions and not willing to open their minds to the facts.
 
respect77 said:
If you show them hard, cold facts and they still say you are only saying this because you are a fan, then they are the ones who are blinded by their preconceptions and not willing to open their minds to the facts.
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I show them facts and they would be like you can't believe things written over the internet or they would say it's just something written by his fan, so it's not believable blah blah blah.Then I'd tell them about the court transcript, and would want to show it to them. they would be like 'Isn't court transcript something that belongs to the courtroom? How the hell someone gets them?' etc.

And actually most people aren't that interested to learn about him so whatever their perceptions of him are will remain the same.
 
mjrox2011 said:
I show them facts and they would be like you can't believe things written over the internet or they would say it's just something written by his fan, so it's not believable blah blah blah.Then I'd tell them about the court transcript, and would want to show it to them. they would be like 'Isn't court transcript something that belongs to the courtroom? How the hell someone gets them?' etc.

And actually most people aren't that interested to learn about him so whatever their preconceptions are will remain the same.
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Well, if they are not interested then they shouldn't be interested in judging him either. But if they judge him then they'd better do it based on facts (and they have none) rather than tabloid reports.
 
It's the responsibility of those who want the responsibility! I don't mind educating some folks!

Those who can't take the facts are the losers at the end that are to negative themselves! Some can't think for themselves because their so use to someone feeding them the B.S!

So when they see things that actually point to facts they don't know what to do but, call it fake! They are dumbfounded because they had an idea of who he was for so long it's to hard for them to let it go!

Those are the people I no longer deal with if that's the case! I move on from them cause they didn't add nothing to MJ's life obviously when he was alive so what can they do that he is not here anymore and still think the same?

I only reach to the ones who are willing to actually listen with an open mind and admit their wrong! Those are the ones that can have their minds changed not the ones who are hateful and hardheaded to start with!

Doesn't mean they have to be a fan unless they want to! It's Just for them to stop talking B.S about something they know nothing about except for what the media tells them would be nice for once!

^I'm sure that's what happen to some people after MJ passed I'm sure!
 
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Yeh i dont mind educating ppl bout what happened, but it really angers me when they ignore it and say crap bout it all.
 
i think that not only haters must be educated about the case.
I found out that most fans don't know important facts about this case like MJ filed charges against Chandler for extortion.
Most people just don't know that.
 
respect77 said:
If nobody is interested in another good evidence that you can rub under the noses of haters when they attack Michael, then I'm sorry to bring it up. I thought Michael fans would care. You know, when you are talking to haters trying to prove his innocence to say "I know he was innocent, I know he was innocent and everybody knows that" is not enough. You have to show them hard facts.
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I am very very interested in your info thank u so much for that. That is such great proof for the haters. The next time I run into someone that still thinks he was guilty I am using that. Thank you.
 
lucilla said:
i think that not only haters must be educated about the case.
I found out that most fans don't know important facts about this case like MJ filed charges against Chandler for extortion.
Most people just don't know that.
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I didn't know that. When did he file charges?
 
lucilla said:
i think that not only haters must be educated about the case.
I found out that most fans don't know important facts about this case like MJ filed charges against Chandler for extortion.
Most people just don't know that.
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Very true about some fans!

But, Sneedon didn't care he didn't do crap about it and that other D.A in LA too! They heard the tapes Evan was in talking about a plan and I guess that wasn't enough because in the tapes he didn't mention the word money itself! Even though it's clearly what he wanted! Evan was even trying to negotiate a price with MJ and his lawyers but MJ didn't want to give him nothing!
 
yaazgurl said:
So what I heard was that it wasn't MJ that settled but his insurance company. Is that true also?
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YES, that's true! Their are documents that show this! T-Mez MJ's lawyer for the 05 case showed proof to the Judge how the case was settled out of court and by who! Because Sneedon dumb ass was trying to get the settlement in the trial to show the jury, to try to make MJ look guilty! Well, it didn't work!

Sneddon also tried the same with the pics taken of MJ's body in the 93 case and he failed at that too. The judge didn't allow that either!! Obviously, it was because the pictures were no match!

Which is one of the reasons their where two grand juries who refuse to indict MJ in 93 in the first place!

Also the settlement didn't stop the criminal trial from going forward, not at all! They could have continued on after but, the Chandlers just didn't want to go to trial! That's why they tried to get a civil case first because the beyond a reasonable doubt is much easier to prove in civil then in a criminal trial! You don't need all 12 jurors in a civil case to say guilty to get a conviction!

They also fired Gloria Alred as the Criminal lawyer for Jordan then quickly got Civil attorney Larry Fieldman that got the out of court settlement!

But, Jordan was never a cooperating witness anyways! Meaning he never was and never said he would testify against MJ in court! Although they didn't' need a cooperating witness! They could have used his deposition or whatever evidence they thought they had in place of him or made him testify against his will, but who wants a hostile witness? lol
 
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This thread is very sad. :( I hate to go back to the past and remember all those bad things that happened in the life of Michael. It hurts to imagine the size of his pain for all this.... And the worst is to imagine that even today many people believe he was guilty. :cry:
 
I know it's awful to remember those allegations but we have to be strong and spread the truth for his children and for his legacy.
 
This hurts my heart. Poor Michael. And I agree with what some have said about stubborn uneducated fools. I still argue with the truth when people bring it up but people just don't wanna KNOW the truth.
 
bluetopez said:
YES, that's true! Their are documents that show this! T-Mez MJ's lawyer for the 05 case showed proof to the Judge how the case was settled out of court and by who! Because Sneedon dumb ass was trying to get the settlement in the trial to show the jury, to try to make MJ look guilty! Well, it didn't work!

Sneddon also tried the same with the pics taken of MJ's body in the 93 case and he failed at that too. The judge didn't allow that either!! Obviously, it was because the pictures were no match!

Which is one of the reasons their where two grand juries who refuse to indict MJ in 93 in the first place!

Also the settlement didn't stop the criminal trial from going forward, not at all! They could have continued on after but, the Chandlers just didn't want to go to trial! That's why they tried to get a civil case first because the beyond a reasonable doubt is much easier to prove in civil then in a criminal trial! You don't need all 12 jurors in a civil case to say guilty to get a conviction!

They also fired Gloria Alred as the Criminal lawyer for Jordan then quickly got Civil attorney Larry Fieldman that got the out of court settlement!

But, Jordan was never a cooperating witness anyways! Meaning he never was and never said he would testify against MJ in court! Although they didn't' need a cooperating witness! They could have used his deposition or whatever evidence they thought they had in place of him or made him testify against his will, but who wants a hostile witness? lol
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Actually I posted the settlement contracts that showed it was MJ settling and not the insurance company. MJ signed and agreed to settle. The insurance company wasn't even a party in the contract. The mods merged the thread so people wouldn't be able to find and read them as easily.
 
8701girl said:
The police & da were on his side- thats how he got out of it!
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Unless MJ and his lawyer were on his side he didn't get out of it. The police and the DA being on his side doesn't stop MJ and his team from calling him to the stand.

The only way they would not call him to the stand is if they thought it wouldn't have helped MJ. The DA is always on the side of the accuser. That's why it's called the DA.
 
Some people just want Michael to be guilty and by wanting Michael to be guilty that means that these people actually wanted those kids to be molested. Any dedent human would be happy to learn that Michael was innocent because then that means that no kids were actually hurt.
 
yaazgurl said:
I think Michael's attorneys gave him poor counsel.
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Maybe so. Messereau did say that MJ got bad advice at the time HE decided to settle.

But if people are going to talk about protecting his legacy than they should do so with truth. Michael Jackson settled the civil lawsuit.
 
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