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I don't know if you guys did, but I didn't know about it until now: Ray Chandler was subpoened by Michael's defense in the 2005 trial and he was scared to death by that. There are documents proving how he fought his way out of it, so that he wouldn't have to go on court and repeat the lies he told in the media under oath and doesn't have to show his alleged "evidence" that he refers to in his book "All that glitters":

http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/20...na-scared-to-death-to-prove-his-lies-in-court

So, now we know:

Jordan Chandler threatened the authorities to sue them if they force him to testify (it's in the FBI files).
Evan Chandler refused to testify.
Ray Chandler too was running scared from being forced to testify.

Remember Ray Chandler is a guy who had no problem making his media rounds and release a book about the 1993 case at the time of the trial! Yet, when he was called to prove his words and show his alleged "evidence" on the stand (by Michael's defense!) he was running scared!

And people still think Michael was guilty? Oh, c'mon! These people have "LIAR" written on them all over!

And BTW, it also shows how confident Michael's defense were in his innocence!
 
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what is ur point? everyone one knows michael was not guilty .. everyone!
we are just trying to clear michael's name =/
 
MusaedJackson said:
what is ur point? everyone one knows michael was not guilty .. everyone!
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If nobody is interested in another good evidence that you can rub under the noses of haters when they attack Michael, then I'm sorry to bring it up. I thought Michael fans would care. You know, when you are talking to haters trying to prove his innocence to say "I know he was innocent, I know he was innocent and everybody knows that" is not enough. You have to show them hard facts.
 
respect77 said:
And people still think Michael was guilty? Oh, c'mon! These people have "LIAR" written on them all over!
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Yes, the general public still do, because they don't know all this :( :cry:
 
TBH i think the majiority of people believe MJ was innocent. I think alot of people will say they think hes guilty just because they don't like him for whatever reason, but it doesn't mean they truly believe it.
 
michaeljojacksonfan said:
TBH i think the majiority of people believe MJ was innocent. I think alot of people will say they think hes guilty just because they don't like him for whatever reason, but it doesn't mean they truly believe it.
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You took the words outta my mouth. Yes, that is very true. Some ppl. say "I think he was Gu*L*Y" cuz of the Media and what they feed them. They are just too Lazy to go and do research or anything to find the truth. They just say it to say it. They dont know the facts like we do...:no: I'd say its their loss...

Thankyou respect77 for posting this. I also didnt know this about Ray.


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Romi
 
Well it's a pity that none of them ever made it into court because a lot of people that Mj was innocent of the 2003 allegations but guilty of previous allegations. IF the Chandlers had gone to court and were properly cross examined then maybe people would have a different opinion.
 
bobmoo79 said:
Well it's a pity that none of them ever made it into court because a lot of people that Mj was innocent of the 2003 allegations but guilty of previous allegations. IF the Chandlers had gone to court and were properly cross examined then maybe people would have a different opinion.
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I'm sure of that! People believed the Arvizos as well as long as they weren't exposed on the trial! It would be the same with the Chandlers! Actually the book that Ray Chandler wrote ("All that glitters") is worth to "cross-examine". It's amazing how many clues and holes he left in it which all prove they were lying! People who read it say, when you analyze that book, it actually turns out to be Michael's best defence (even if it wasn't intended to be)! No wonder the defense wanted Ray to testify! They would have torn their lies apart on court and - besides winning the 2005 case - they would have put all the myths about the 1993 case to rest once and for all as well!

Isn't it strange how desperately all the Chandler men wanted to avoid testifying? We know why. (June went to testify but she didn't say anything significant either. She admitted she never witnessed Michael molesting Jordan.)
 
Thank u respect77 I care!

I didn't know about Ray Chandler being subpoenaed by MJ defense team! All I remember was the f*cker on TV talking SH*T especially on Court TV! I do know about Jordan refusing to testify against MJ and threaten to sue authorities if they forced him! lol I don't think I knew about Evan being subpoenaed by the defense too? HA HA HA the bastard didn't want to talk in court eh! SURPRISE!, SURPRISE!... NOT! Thank u for that info! :)

Unfortunately no not everyone thinks MJ was innocent thanks to their laziness of letting the media do the thinking for them! So this info helps people like myself continue to let the haterz know the real deal even at some of our own families members! GRRR!! :(
 
Thank you very much for this fact! I didn't know this!
 
It's called a travesty of justice...which still has yet to be rectified.imo For me personally, it isn't about "converting haters." It's about clearing Michael's good name of all of the allegations of child abuse he was never ever guilty of in the first place. Ray Chandler knows Michael was innocent and so do many others who were and are still involved in this, but he and they have never been called to task and probably never will be.

Many people seem to feel that these allegations should be swept under the rug now that Michael is gone. Buying books by the likes of Ray Chandler, Schmuley etc. because they have Michael's name on them only serves to line their pockets with cash. Talk about leeching...no thanks I'll pass on that, that is what they count on fans to do. Oh you've lost Michael? Here have a book or a video game...that will keep you occupied. I think the best way I can represent Michael now is to try to clear his good name. That is the least anyone can do for him now.

OT: I've read in another section of this board that Jermaine stated that people were laughing in the court proceedings recently. WTF? Michael Jackson's death is amusing to them? I find that completely appalling and disgusting. It makes my blood boil. Judges can't maintain a sense of decorum in their damn courtrooms? People wonder why the Chandler's and Arviso's were allowed to pull their stunts in and out of a court of law destroying Michael's reputation with the help of a certain DA. The DA had the political and judicial power to carry through with it...the people of SB County gave it to him. He was voted in. Listen to "DS" once again, Michael Jackson can't get anymore clearer in his own words. If that doesn't make you pause about all that has happened to Michael Jackson in the last two+ decades, I don't know what will. Those who are running scared can keep running, it'll catch up with them sooner or later.

Ray Chandler was and is an opportunist, wanting a piece of the action his brother Evan, June, and nephew Jordan received from a shady insurance company. Among others - the "lawyers" B.Rothman L.Feldman, Dr. S. Katz, the media etc...so many involved here I've lost count. $$$ What about a shakedown? I bet Ray could tell you, but I guess he is no longer speaking.
 
respect77 said:
People believed the Arvizos as well as long as they weren't exposed on the trial! It would be the same with the Chandlers! Actually the book that Ray Chandler wrote ("All that glitters") is worth to "cross-examine". It's amazing how many clues and holes he left in it which all prove they were lying! People who read it say, when you analyze that book, it actually turns out to be Michael's best defence (even if it wasn't intended to be)! No wonder the defense wanted Ray to testify! They would have torn their lies apart on court and - besides winning the 2005 case - they would have put all the myths about the 1993 case to rest once and for all as well!

Isn't it strange how desperately all the Chandler men wanted to avoid testifying? We know why. (June went to testify but she didn't say anything significant either. She admitted she never witnessed Michael molesting Jordan.)
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Thank you, respect77! I didn't know about this fact about Ray Chandler either.
 
Thank you Respect77! Very valuable information also for the media advocacy team. I will click on the link for the factual evidence there, so we may use it in our quest to clear Michael's name of these disgusting, false allegations.

I'm also shocked and appalled to read about the laughing going on in a courtroom while handling the prosecution of the man that caused Michael to die ( Dr. is too much honor for him). I don't know the context but it does seem very inappropiate and without any sign of respect.
 
respect77 said:
I don't know if you guys did, but I didn't know about it until now: Ray Chandler was subpoened by Michael's defense in the 2005 trial and he was scared to death by that. There are documents proving how he fought his way out of it, so that he wouldn't have to go on court and repeat the lies he told in the media under oath and doesn't have to show his alleged "evidence" that he refers to in his book "All that glitters":

http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/20...na-scared-to-death-to-prove-his-lies-in-court

So, now we know:

Jordan Chandler threatened the authorities to sue them if they force him to testify (it's in the FBI files).
Evan Chandler refused to testify.
Ray Chandler too was running scared from being forced to testify.

Remember Ray Chandler is a guy who had no problem making his media rounds and release a book about the 1993 case at the time of the trial! Yet, when he was called to prove his words and show his alleged "evidence" on the stand (by Michael's defense!) he was running scared!

And people still think Michael was guilty? Oh, c'mon! These people have "LIAR" written on them all over!

And BTW, it also shows how confident Michael's defense were in his innocence!
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Thanks for the info
there is so much info confirming michael's innocence but the haters refuse to acknowledge them ,it's just sad.
 
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Thanks Respect77 :) I like reading even more proof of Michael's never-in-question-innocence.
 
MusaedJackson said:
what is ur point? everyone one knows michael was not guilty .. everyone!
we are just trying to clear michael's name =/
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respect77 said:
If nobody is interested in another good evidence that you can rub under the noses of haters when they attack Michael, then I'm sorry to bring it up. I thought Michael fans would care. You know, when you are talking to haters trying to prove his innocence to say "I know he was innocent, I know he was innocent and everybody knows that" is not enough. You have to show them hard facts.
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Zori said:
Yes, the general public still do, because they don't know all this :( :cry:
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michaeljojacksonfan said:
TBH i think the majiority of people believe MJ was innocent. I think alot of people will say they think hes guilty just because they don't like him for whatever reason, but it doesn't mean they truly believe it.
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yeah. they know the hard facts. there is no name to clear. they know without you even showing them. and considering everything that transpired as a result. to say that it's not a good thing to harbor those envious thoughts toward Michael, is the understatement of all time. even if you tried to 'clear' an already good name of Michael Jackson, those reprobate people would find something else evil to make up.
 
Thanks for your post Respect77.
The information about Ray Chandler is new for me. IMHO if one has a smallest piece of news or an article or some other information in Michael's pure name defence he simply must deliver it to people. The saddest thing is ( at least for me ) general public is so inert and lazy , they are given a certain information in tabloids ( especially if such worldwide known person as Michael is involved ), it intrigues the public and that's all. They are lazy to think . to investigate , to suspect whether this information is true. They are interested only in the process of humiliation of Michael during the court hearings. They are not interested in the result - acquitted of all charges . Even today after his death when a lot of information of Michael being a great humanitarian , a lovegiving person , a generous man etc.etc. appeared in press and TV , some trash media don't stop .

Sorry for my English . these words are from the bottom of my heart.
 
respect77, thank you so much for the important info. I do care.

I noticed that those who believe that Michael is guilty know NOTHING about the cases. so why they believe he's guilty? because the media said so. I think its sad that people choose to remain ignorant. Out 'job' as fans is to educate them as much as we can. And like Olivegirl said, people are too lazy to do their own researches, they think the media did it for them.fools!
 
LoveMJackson said:
respect77, thank you so much for the important info. I do care.

I noticed that those who believe that Michael is guilty know NOTHING about the cases. so why they believe he's guilty? because the media said so. I think its sad that people choose to remain ignorant. Out 'job' as fans is to educate them as much as we can. And like Olivegirl said, people are too lazy to do their own researches, they think the media did it for them.fools!
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I'm with you! :agree:
respect77, Thanks a lot for this info .
 
Thanks for posting.
We all know Michael's innocent but the people who believe otherwise just ignore the facts. The accusers could come out on national television to admit they lied about the whole thing and the haters would still refuse to believe it.
 
we all know the chandlers are cowards. this is just more evidence. jordan being the biggest coward of all. telling everyone who would listen that mj did nothing and now evan is gone he still wont be a man. i hope he suffers just like his father did. very intresting this. not sure if it was mentioned at the time

from the site for those who dont click on the link

A week later, on September 19, 2004 Michael Jackson’s defense team subpoenaed Ray Chandler as a “custodian of documents” on the basis of which the book was published with the idea to examine them in court. The subpoena was called “Duces Tecum” which means that the subpoena requests “the evidence (documents) be brought with the person”. 8) Everyone would expect Ray Chandler to jump at the opportunity to present his documents in court to finally nail down the “predator” and have him imprisoned for the rest of his life, but….
9) But then astrange thing happened. First, Ray Chandler (who is a lawyer) asked for a 20 days extension of the period within which he was obliged to answer the subpoena. In the meantime he turned to a law firm which made an objection to the subpoena, supporting their case by a whole set of documents totaling some 70 pages – all of them to the effect that it was absolutely impossible and totally unnecessary for Ray Chandler to go to court and submit his priceless documents there.
10) This was followed by a good deal of motions (requests) between Michael Jackson’s defense team and Ray Chandler’s lawyers on the subject why it was impossible and unnecessary for Ray Chandler to appear in court.
11) In the end Ray Chandler won. Not only was his subpoena quashed (declared invalid) but his request for putting his subpoena under seal was also met, so that the People (the jury) would never know that Ray Chandler had ever been subpoenaed to testify in court.
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HA! What an ass he is, he's scare of telling the truth about his dead brother scheming to get Michael's money by lying about to the authorities about the allegations, I really don't like to say this but like his brother I wish he's dead and ending rotting in hell like he is right now.
 
Weird how Jordan chandler would tell everyone that'd listen to him that MJ never did anything to him at all but he can't come out and clear Mj's name publicly? I think he isnt a coward, just a selfish person who doesnt give a shit about the damage his lies have caused and don't bother to mend it and stop any further damage.
 
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respect77, thank you so much for the important info. I do care.

I noticed that those who believe that Michael is guilty know NOTHING about the cases. so why they believe he's guilty? because the media said so. I think its sad that people choose to remain ignorant. Out 'job' as fans is to educate them as much as we can.And like Olivegirl said, people are too lazy to do their own researches, they think the media did it for them.fools!
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but when his own family members and closest friends do not bother to educate the public, why should the fans care?
 
thank u for info .we need all these info ,these are facts.i just wish that some day jorden will open his gagged mouth.
 
mjrox2011 said:
but when his own family members and closest friends do not bother to educate the public, why should the fans care?
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because we are all he has left.its the least we can do for him dont you think? after all his kids are gonna have to live with this and have no one to explain to them what really happened unless mj had done it already his family are just as ignorant as the general public. and by their actions knew him even less.

Weird how Jordan chandler would tell everyone that'd listen to him that MJ never did anything to him at all but he can't come out and clear Mj's name publicly? I think he isnt a coward, just a selfish person who doesnt give a shit about the damage his lies have caused and don't bother to mend it and stop any further damage.
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you defined a coward
 
Ray even admitted in his book that Evan asked Michael in August for money, before they reported the allegations to Dr. Abrams. But Michael refused to give it to him.

On page 128, here’s what he says:

Had Michael paid the twenty million dollars demanded of him in August, rather than the following January...
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I left the last part off because Ray is a loser.
 
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yes its well documented that evan and co had a meeting with mj and some of his ppl. think pelicano was there. he wanted 20 mill to set up his own film company. and threatened mj about what would happen if he didnt.
 
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