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R.Kelly is a Better Producer than Prince

wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
Well its just every time someone compliments Michael, it seems like you come along and try and discredit it in some way. But whatever, I don't think you're a hater, you just sound like one. You said he doesn't play instruments and it came off sounding like you said it to try and take away from his level of talent, and it doesn't. He's purely, innately, more gifted then anyone I've ever seen.
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I've never said anything to put down Michael. People are too sensitive here because of the media, and take everything more seriously than it really is. The answer to everything is - Michael sold more records this week than this other person, so that makes him superior to everyone else. Somebody's copying/ripping off Michael. Somebody has more number ones than Michael, but if you add Jackson 5 records he's 1st. Or when Michael releases his new album, it will save the music industry. Overhyping something is no better than saying something negative. Yes men help nobody and usually makes it worse.
 
Complimenting Michael's talent isn't being a "yes man". I just recognize Michael's extraordinary abilities. I'm not overhyping him.

You seem to not want to give Michael credit on anything, that's all I meant. Because on everything, on Michael's career, on his talent, on his fame, you seem to try and make it less then what it is, all the time. Nobody here thinks Michael is perfect, I certainly don't, I think he's got a lot of issues and has made plenty of mistakes, but I also see that he's a very special person.

Anyway, this thread isn't about Michael. I just wanted to say my piece.
 
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LOL, that's what happens when you defend the main man who this board is dedicated to in a thread that has NOTHING to do with him.

It's getting annoying. :lol:
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
Complimenting Michael's talent isn't being a "yes man". I just recognize Michael's extraordinary abilities. I'm not overhyping him.

You seem to not want to give Michael credit on anything, that's all I meant. Because on everything, on Michael's career, on his talent, on his fame, you seem to try and make it less then what it is, all the time. Nobody here thinks Michael is perfect, I certainly don't, I think he's got a lot of issues and has made plenty of mistakes, but I also see that he's a very special person.

Anyway, this thread isn't about Michael. I just wanted to say my piece.
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I've said nothing about Michael's talent, you're just overreacting. Saying he doesn't play instuments is not saying anything about his talent. It's just like I've said here that Prince doesn't really produce people, so this thread makes no sense. You didn't pick that out and say I was putting Prince down.
 
I thought you meant it as a put down because I said "Michael is more talented then all of them anyway", and you came back and said "Michael doesn't play instruments". To me, that's an implication against his talent. It came across that ways, that's all I'm saying. You said Prince doesn't produce many artists, that's true, but you complimented him at the same time by saying he does all this other stuff, defending him against the initial post of this thread. You didn't compliment Michael.
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
I thought you meant it as a put down because I said "Michael is more talented then all of them anyway", and you came back and said "Michael doesn't play instruments". To me, that's an implication against his talent. It came across that ways, that's all I'm saying. You said Prince doesn't produce many artists, that's true, but you complimented him at the same time by saying he does all this other stuff, defending him against the initial post of this thread. You didn't compliment Michael.
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I thought you were responding to who plays drums better, Prince or R. Kelly. I didn't think Michael was relevant to that, so I said Michael doesn't play any instruments. I didn't mean for it to sound negative, if that's how you took it. I mentioned Morphine because on another site, somebody brought that up and said he a great guitar player like Eddie Van Halen.
 
Okay then, sorry for the miscommunication then. I understand what you mean now. He definitly can't play the guitar like Eddie, lol. If he could, he would, lol. But anyway, yeah, I just meant overall, not as an insturmentalist. Sorry again for the confusion.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
No he's not. He's a thief and if he deceived MJ and us into thinking he wrote YANA and got caught then what else hasnt he wrote? Then theres him having sex with minors..................................:no::no::no: I cant believe that any of you are even talking about this waste of space. And then to say he is better than Prince? Dear God!! Delusion!
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Prince had his own sister sue him back in 1987 for taking her lyrics for his U got the look and other people have sued prince over songs so please miss me with that. and for the record R.Kelly did have songs all ready for MJ. and his personal life has nothing to do with his creativity so please stay on the subject.
 
arXter said:
i'll give you that one, son.

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ain't nobody your son turkey. you went all out of the way to present that picture must be a slow day huh??
 
DuranDuran said:
I like Michael a lot and even own the Boogie album from the J5. How is saying not playing an instrument a put down anyway. I could say that about Whitney Houston or Frank Sinatra, it's not anything negative. A lot of people here just suck up to Michael that's all and are not objective. Just yes men. Just like the starter of this thread is a yes man for R. Kelly.
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Michael Jackson is a Musical Genius and the King of Music period and his voice is a instrument that is timeless and without him then over half of Pop Music as we know it doesn't even count. and nobody is a Yes person for anyone but to deny greatness and impact is wrong.
 
arXter said:
Prince's acoustic drumming technique has influenced the likes of Ahmir ?uestlove Thomson - hip-hop/soul drummer premier, and legendary producer J Dilla.
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oh WOW how many hits have the Roots had again? Stevie Wonder told ?love that if he wanted to Program some beats for him then cool but Stevie Wonder reads Billboard in Braile and know the Roots ain't got no hits. Prince's sound overall was influential but not his drumming. but of course no having hits cats would say his drumming it figures.
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
Okay then, sorry for the miscommunication then. I understand what you mean now. He definitly can't play the guitar like Eddie, lol. If he could, he would, lol. But anyway, yeah, I just meant overall, not as an insturmentalist. Sorry again for the confusion.
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I appologize also. But that's what I meant by being oversensitive. I think because of all of the negative press Michael gets, every little thing is seen as an insult, and people have to overcompensate by saying that Michael is the greatest at everything and throw all of his accomplishments around all the time. I assume most of the people here are fans, and doing that is just preaching to the choir. I don't go to people's sites that I don't like. Like those people on youtube who to people's videos they don't like just to trash them. I don't do that. I see it here also about other acts. It seems ok to trash a Chris Brown or whoever. I don't go there, because he doesn't interest me for me to comment on him. I've never said anything here negative except that R. Kelly isn't a good singer, lol. Not anything like he lied to Mike and he shouldn't work with him again or bringing up the underage girls thing like others did.
 
mistermaxxx said:
ain't nobody your son turkey. you went all out of the way to present that picture must be a slow day huh??
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not very hard. might even be able to find one with three bears too.

but seriously, if you're dissing Dilla and ?uestlove for the sake of your obsession with Bob, then it's even more pointless to continue the debate with you.

seems like the only person you're trying to convince is yourself, boy.
 
Well I don't go to other's artists fan sites that I don't like. If a topic about them pops up here, I'll comment. But my comments are always just my opinion on their artistic ability, not on them personally. I wasn't being over sensitive I don't think. I misunderstood you, because I saw it as you taking a swipe at Michael's talent, as though him not playing instruments made him less talented then Prince, let's say. I only thought that because you hadn't said you were responding to me under the assumption I meant he was a more talented instrumentalist. If I'd known you thought that, I wouldn't have said anything. It was just a misunderstanding.
 
mistermaxxx said:
oh WOW how many hits have the Roots had again? Stevie Wonder told ?love that if he wanted to Program some beats for him then cool but Stevie Wonder reads Billboard in Braile and know the Roots ain't got no hits. Prince's sound overall was influential but not his drumming. but of course no having hits cats would say his drumming it figures.
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What does "hits" have to do with talent? By that criteria, Milli Vanilli has more "hits" than Miles Davis or Bobby McFerrin.
 
DuranDuran said:
I like Michael a lot and even own the Boogie album from the J5. How is saying not playing an instrument a put down anyway. I could say that about Whitney Houston or Frank Sinatra, it's not anything negative. A lot of people here just suck up to Michael that's all and are not objective. Just yes men. Just like the starter of this thread is a yes man for R. Kelly.
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You're on a Michael Jackson site are we all suppose to trash the man to make someone else look better i mean for crying out loud we are fans if you feel that way then go join a forum of someone else.
 
arXter said:
http://images.google.co.uk/images?um=1&hl=en&q=r+kelly+gold&btnG=Search+Images


not very hard. might even be able to find one with three bears too.

but seriously, if you're dissing Dilla and ?uestlove for the sake of your obsession with Bob, then it's even more pointless to continue the debate with you.

seems like the only person you're trying to convince is yourself, boy.
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the only Boy in here is you and I stopped making payments so now you are on your own and I will disown you.

Dilla could make beats and so can ?love but stop acting like they are the 2nd coming of Art Blakley,Elvin Jones or Max Roach. get off your soapBox turkey and in case they ain't told you in here I can hang with anybody on Musical discussions so sit your payless hushpuppy shoe wearing Behind on down Clown.
 
DuranDuran said:
What does "hits" have to do with talent? By that criteria, Milli Vanilli has more "hits" than Miles Davis or Bobby McFerrin.
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Miles Davis had Hits and His "Kind of Blue Album is considered the Off the wall of Jazz albums though I do know some old school Jazz head folks who would take clifford Brown over Miles because they felt Miles missed way too many notes and thought of him as a Better talent scout than a actual artist in his own right.

Bobby Mcferrin had a couple of hits and then went back to taco bell on the fries.

the music Business is about Hits and if you knew much about Miles Davis he always was rolling with folks who had Hits. he kept up with who was popping off on the charts. Miles added that to his sound always.
 
pundit?

mistermaxxx said:
Dilla could make beats and so can ?love
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good, so we agree on Prince's drums/rhythm influence.

in case they ain't told you in here I can hang with anybody on Musical discussions
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i've seen your fony pundit-wannabe arse owned, spanked and rectified time and again to know exactly where and how you hang, son.

this topic being one of them.
 
mistermaxxx said:
Prince had his own sister sue him back in 1987 for taking her lyrics for his U got the look and other people have sued prince over songs so please miss me with that. and for the record R.Kelly did have songs all ready for MJ. and his personal life has nothing to do with his creativity so please stay on the subject.
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Michael Jackson has had loads of people sue him too over TGIM, Dangerous, We Are The World etc so just because someone is sued doesnt mean that they are guilty. So this doesnt mean Prince was guilty either, it just means he was sued where as R.Kelly was sued AND found guilty of plagiarism. So he lied to Michael Jackson and to his fans (which I cant believe he has any really...apart of this dellusioned person.)

Also, learn to use the multiquote and edit button so you dont have to triple & quadruple post to opposite opinions you cant handle about your beloved thief. :smilerolleyes:
The platinum pisser may be the one getting screwed this time.

A woman is set to testify at R. Kelly's upcoming child pornography trial, revealing that she had a threesome with Kelly and the allegedly underage girl shown in the infamous video.

Sources tell the Chicago Sun-Times that the new witness will not only testify that she was underage when she had the threesome with Kelly -- but that the other girl involved is the exact same person who is now identified as the alleged victim.

Prosecutors claim to have identified the girl in the videotape -- who is now in her 20s. She denies it's her on the tape. She will take the stand in the trial as well.

Jury selection for the trial begins Friday. Both sides declined to comment, citing a gag order in the case.
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mistermaxxx said:
Miles Davis had Hits and His "Kind of Blue Album is considered the Off the wall of Jazz albums though I do know some old school Jazz head folks who would take clifford Brown over Miles because they felt Miles missed way too many notes and thought of him as a Better talent scout than a actual artist in his own right.

Bobby Mcferrin had a couple of hits and then went back to taco bell on the fries.

the music Business is about Hits and if you knew much about Miles Davis he always was rolling with folks who had Hits. he kept up with who was popping off on the charts. Miles added that to his sound always.
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Name me one polka artist who had a hit. Everything isn't designed for hits. Today Bobby McFerrin is an orchestra conductor by the way and jazz producer and still records, not working at Taco Bell.
 
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hopespringseternal said:
You're on a Michael Jackson site are we all suppose to trash the man to make someone else look better i mean for crying out loud we are fans if you feel that way then go join a forum of someone else.
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If I say George Bush doesn't know how to dance, is that trashing him? If I say that Prince isn't 7 feet tall, is that trashing him? Or that Oprah isn't a man, is that trashing her? I said nothing to trash Michael. If you read the whole thing (instead of taking comments out of context like a journalist) you could see that. I didn't say anything to make someone else look better, if you read it correctly, but that Michael wasn't relevant to the statement about playing drums/ programming beats as he doesn't do that. It's not a putdown and it doesn't make anyone look better than him. If I say that Michael doesn't go out and murder people, it isn't a put down. I'm just commenting on something he doesn't do, which in this case is to play an instrument. This is what I mean by being sensitive and not objective.
 
In my opinion R. Kelly has great talent but he has not shown it for some time now..

What kind of dumb crap is 'Trapped In The Closet'.. Ya I admit I watched it.. lol! But he called it 'inovative and revolutionizing'.. He even mentioned MJ and how he revolutionized videos..

In my personal opinion, lately he's been a sell out.. Too many great producers and artists are trying to hard to FIT IN to todays music instead of CREATING what todays music SHOULD sound like..

He's one of them.
 
Re: pundit?

arXter said:
good, so we agree on Prince's drums/rhythm influence.

i've seen your fony pundit-wannabe arse owned, spanked and rectified time and again to know exactly where and how you hang, son.

this topic being one of them.
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the only person getting served is you and with ease, Boy. back to you and you have a tag around you.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Michael Jackson has had loads of people sue him too over TGIM, Dangerous, We Are The World etc so just because someone is sued doesnt mean that they are guilty. So this doesnt mean Prince was guilty either, it just means he was sued where as R.Kelly was sued AND found guilty of plagiarism. So he lied to Michael Jackson and to his fans (which I cant believe he has any really...apart of this dellusioned person.)

Also, learn to use the multiquote and edit button so you dont have to triple & quadruple post to opposite opinions you cant handle about your beloved thief. :smilerolleyes:
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all artists have had to settle out of court over songs at some time and point,but you didn't bother looking that up, you just want to pick on R.Kelly and I type how I damn well feel and if you don't like it then ignore it, turkey.
 
DuranDuran said:
Name me one polka artist who had a hit. Everything isn't designed for hits. Today Bobby McFerrin is an orchestra conductor by the way and jazz producer and still records, not working at Taco Bell.
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give me time I will find one and if you sign in the Music business you are trying to sell records and not just signing up for your health. and I was just jiving about Bobby Mcferrin. I got a Jazz colab album he did with chic corea some years back.
 
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